Now I have started acquiring locos for my next layout (S&C, 1947) I've noticed that Poole Farish stuff seems to have got cheaper. This is a mixed blessing for me as I keep spotting bargains which I just can't resist. so I now have a Compound and Crab (both in LMS black) to go with my Peco Jubilee, and no layout to run them on. But they weren't expensive. I guess the reason these models are cheap is that there are so many of them about, so they aren't really collectable. Poole didn't usually do small batches, they just kept making the same models in the same liveries year after year. Which makes me wonder - are there any Poole Farish models that weren't made in large numbers and are now rare?
Not rare as such, but generally going for crazy prices, are the various 4 wheel carriages. The moulds were worn out by the time Bachmann bought GF, so there's a perception of rarity from them not being produced since then. It's more of a crazy eBay thing though as there seems to be a lot of them out there ;)
Yes, there are quite a few. Anything with blackened Poole style wheels is very rare - absolute last production in 1999/2000. I've seen Castle, A3, A4, 4MT, 8F, J94, 08 and Duchess with these but not much else. The BR blue A4 and BR blue A3 were both very rare as only a few were made. Some of the train set models are much rarer as a few were produced near the end with different numbers than the regular locos - e.g. the LMS 4F with number 4269 (normal 1841 procution was numbered 4232) and the 4MT tank as 80010 (normal production was 80064 and 80079).
There were also some official limited editions including the 57xx in LT red, a Maroon Duchess 46247, as well as at least one Castle and some rebuilt Bullied pacifics (names and numbers I forget).
In terms of diesels the class 20 in original Poole railfreight red stripe as 20215 (cat no. 8208) is pretty rare as only a few hundred were made.
Cheers,
Alan
If you want to look for rare Farish items how about the 08 made for Holland in there livery, I think they also did a couple of Steam engines too. But if you want more rarity value the Farish Class 47 diesel done in Rail freight Red Stripe. It was given the catalogue number which the Silcock Express 47 in triple grey used. Apparently they only did about 20 and realised that Minitrix were releasing there 47 in the same livery so changed to the other one.
Quote from: Northern Git on July 27, 2015, 12:24:09 PM
Apparently they only did about 20 and realised that Minitrix were releasing there 47 in the same livery so changed to the other one.
There are varied reports on this one - some say there were only 3 made, some say a few more and the reason for stopping was tooling break or problematic production of the livery.
Same also for 20215 but a few hundred made it out in that case.
Cheers,
Alan
I know there was more than 20 of the 47's made but were they ended up I don't know. I did know where 8 or 9 ended up but not the rest. As for the 20's they were issued out to all Farish stockist at the time.
Quote from: Northern Git on July 27, 2015, 12:39:58 PM
I know there was more than 20 of the 47's made but were they ended up I don't know. I did know where 8 or 9 ended up but not the rest. As for the 20's they were issued out to all Farish stockist at the time.
Interesting - I know Matt Richter who used to work in the factory said that 10 were made only and then the livery changed to something more modern (Silcock express sector livery) in the hope it would help bolster sales of containter flats.
Seems like the facts are not 100% clear therefore, but if you know where 8 or 9 are and only 10 were made, you know where most of them are now hiding!!
Cheers,
Alan
As far as I can tell there was a final run of Graham Farish Halls that came with blackened wheels plus a new front bogie that included closer to scale wheels and a NEM pocket to accommodate a front coupling. I've got one and I've seen another for sale but they're rare compared with the earlier versions with the tiny bogie wheels.
I paid about £50 for mine, which seems to be around the going rate for good condition Poole-Farish locos so I don't think they're especially sought after. The one I saw for sale was priced at £90, which I think was over optimistic but if the seller can find someone to pay that much then fair play to him...
Another official Limited Edition was the 3-car Class 101 in Strathclyde PTE Orange and Black.
Quote from: johnlambert on July 27, 2015, 12:48:07 PM
As far as I can tell there was a final run of Graham Farish Halls that came with blackened wheels plus a new front bogie that included closer to scale wheels and a NEM pocket to accommodate a front coupling. I've got one and I've seen another for sale but they're rare compared with the earlier versions with the tiny bogie wheels.
Bear in mind that while this is a Poole design it wasn't actually made in Poole which I think the OP was really getting at - it's a Bachmann iteration from China.
Quote from: johnlambert on July 27, 2015, 12:48:07 PM
Another official Limited Edition was the 3-car Class 101 in Strathclyde PTE Orange and Black.
Good call there - forgot that one! If you can find one without split gears then double points :D :D
Cheers,
Alan
there were a few "limited editions" but in those days that usually meant a reproduction run of 1000 or 2500 - so broadly similar quantities to current output for a standard production run of a single identity...
Other than the examples listed above, the one I can think of that is currently hard to find and trading at a premium is the Maroon Crab no 13000.
Possibly more interesting to hunt down are the errors that escaped. There were a few alleged sightings of odd locos with the wrong number, and I've seen coaches with no lining or lettering...
I remember that there were several limited edition liveries that came out in the late 90's. How "rare" these really are is debatable.
There was a J94 in Longmoor Military Railway blue, split from a set I think, in the showcase at Frizinghall for ages. Always thought about it but never acted, now gone and never seen one again.
Quote from: Zwilnik on July 27, 2015, 12:13:26 PM
Not rare as such, but generally going for crazy prices, are the various 4 wheel carriages.
Not just the four wheelers either. I want to put together a rake of eight or nine Farish LMS liveried "mainline" coaches for the Jubilee to haul. I know they are a freelance design but they look a tiny bit like some of the earlier LMS stock if you squint hard enough. But sellers seem to be asking about the same for them as new Stanier coaches.
There's a NCB J94 on Ebay + several BR versions, though
not sure if Poole made.
Quote from: Agrippa on July 27, 2015, 01:32:56 PM
There's a NCB J94 on Ebay + several BR versions, though
not sure if Poole made.
NCB ones are Poole made.
HTH,
Alan
A trio of rarities (or possibly "never mades") from the early days. In November 1970 Farish were advertising some new wagons "coming soon" - 3-plank open, horsebox, fish van, cattle van, mineral wagon and Toad brake van all made it to production and stayed around for a very long time. But they were also promising a conflat with container, twin bolster wagon and a 5 plank with tarpaulin rail. These three were still being advertised as "coming soon" in February 1972 but I can't recall seeing an example of any of them. Did they make it into production?
I acquired the lMR austerity set on e bay along with a peco set track starter set in nearly new condition for less than £60 about 2 years back
4P compounds aren't exactly plentiful, the occasional one appears on Ebay.
Another "Limited Edition" (red label, numbered certificate, 500 made) is the Farish Class 47 in purple and white Porterbrook. My one is one of my better buys at £40.00.
I know there was also a purple Portabrook Deltic (not sure if Limited Edition or just "Special Edition").
There was a "Special Edition" (Silver label) EWS 08, which I bought new (circa £28.00!!). Other ones I know of include EWS Class 31 (not sure red or silver label) and a couple of class 56's in EWS and Load Hall. Though I could be wrong about the 56's being either "Limited" or "Special".
Incidentally, I am sure there is another thread on here talking about just this subject....(Mods?)
Skyline2uk
The blue "Wagon Lits" Pullmans are as rare as rocking horse "doo doo" the Brake Ends even more so. I know only one person who has a complete rake.
The Merchant Navy "Channel Packet" in SR Green with Golden Arrow flags and arrows in packaging with arrow and green outer sleeve ditto (I had one back in the Seventies when a Teenager - wish I had it now!).
Not quite as rare but still hard to find the original 94xx from circa 1970 with the first type of chassis (I have two).
Roy
There were a few specials from Farish that seem to be quite sought after, a 3-car Class 101 in Strathclyde Orange, LMS Maroon Crab and Purple Deltic 9016 with modified headlights.
The Purple Deltic bodyshells ended up on the Bachmann stand very cheap a few years ago, somewhat diluting the rarity value.
I also recall Farish did a VERY limited run of Class 37s in GIF / EWS Blue, as used in Spain - can anyone confirm?
Quote from: Dorsetmike on July 27, 2015, 07:34:11 PM
4P compounds aren't exactly plentiful, the occasional one appears on Ebay.
Very true, and the LMS crimson lake version always goes for a comparatively high price. Mind you, the S&DJR versions are also pretty rare and usually bring a high price, even though they're inaccurate for the S&D.
Quoteeven though they're inaccurate for the S&D.
I've read somewhere that they did try a compound, from what I recall the driver was not too familiar with compounds and made a bit of a mess of starting out of Bournemouth West.
Quote from: Dorsetmike on July 28, 2015, 01:35:54 PM
I've read somewhere that they did try a compound, from what I recall the driver was not too familiar with compounds and made a bit of a mess of starting out of Bournemouth West.
So we could justify a Midland red compound on the S&D on the basis that it's part of a one-off test (that we'll repeat every operating session). Now that's a handy excuse for another loco!
Another one to throw into the mix guys is Poole class 20's in BR Railfreight livery. Two running numbers I believe. One extremely rare (perhaps fifteen made, I'm not sure), and the other rare, with perhaps 150 made.
Some 47's are also exceptionally rare. Try finding 47 378 in Railfreight Grey. Also there are some Virgin (47's I believe) specimens presented directly to the board of the train company, as far as I know.
The Porterbrooks, both the class 47 and Deltic pop up on ebay from time to time.
Dan
Quote from: DesertHound on July 28, 2015, 02:03:39 PM
and the other rare, with perhaps 150 made.
Yes, number 20215, mentioned earlier in thread. There has been reports of another number (possible 20132 or 20137, I don't recall now) but I've seen no evidence that it ever did actually exist yet. 47378 said to have made 10 only before changing to 'Silcock Express' version.
One of those Virgin 47s sold on ebay a good few years ago - made something like £150.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on July 28, 2015, 02:12:52 PM
Quote from: DesertHound on July 28, 2015, 02:03:39 PM
and the other rare, with perhaps 150 made.
Yes, number 20215, mentioned earlier in thread. There has been reports of another number (possible 20132) but I've seen no evidence that it ever did actually exist yet. 47378 said to have made 10 only before changing to 'Silcock Express version.
One of those Virgin 47s sold on ebay a good few years ago - made something like £150.
Cheers,
Alan
Which of the Virgin 47s is the rarity? My dad has one named 'Graham Farish' (don't remember the number), which I believe was a limited edition. Is that the one to which you are referring?
Quote from: Pete33 on July 28, 2015, 12:46:40 PM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on July 27, 2015, 07:34:11 PM
4P compounds aren't exactly plentiful, the occasional one appears on Ebay.
Very true, and the LMS crimson lake version always goes for a comparatively high price. Mind you, the S&DJR versions are also pretty rare and usually bring a high price, even though they're inaccurate for the S&D.
I have 4 at the moment, two maroon and 2 black BUT I WANT MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE
Sadly not...I think the ones in question were named after directors etc...iirc one was "Chris Green" for example.
The class 47s you describe is far less rare I'm afraid and was just normal production I think ( certainly didn't come in a limited run box, silver label or any such)
Hth,
Alan
I recently painted a silver label 08 into LMS black recently, at least I turned it into a useful loco rather than the horrible EWS livery farish painted it in :P
Quote from: SidmouthJunction on July 28, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: Dr Al on July 28, 2015, 02:12:52 PM
Quote from: DesertHound on July 28, 2015, 02:03:39 PM
and the other rare, with perhaps 150 made.
Yes, number 20215, mentioned earlier in thread. There has been reports of another number (possible 20132) but I've seen no evidence that it ever did actually exist yet. 47378 said to have made 10 only before changing to 'Silcock Express version.
One of those Virgin 47s sold on ebay a good few years ago - made something like £150.
Cheers,
Alan
Which of the Virgin 47s is the rarity? My dad has one named 'Graham Farish' (don't remember the number), which I believe was a limited edition. Is that the one to which you are referring?
I don't know the running number, nor the name, of the rare Virgin 47, but not wishing to be the bearer of "bad" news, Graham Farish in Virgin livery, class 47 was a standard release item. They also issued it in Virgin livery named Totnes Castle.
Still Sidmouth, it's a lovely model, rare or not. It was produced towards the end of the Poole days (2000 I believe) and due to the factory closing down not long after, it also isn't the most common of locos. Available in ebay from time to time but worth keeping if your dad likes it.
Another "hard to get" one, which I think came out at the end of the Poole days, is BR Blue Class 33 Captain Bill Smith RNR.
Dan
Pertinent to the discussion ...
[smg id=27601 type=preview align=center caption="image"]
It's that LT 57XX pannier that eluded me!
Also the 'Mainline' class 37 looks familiar, 37055 (IIRC) Rail Celebrity is on my roster.
Never mind about the 47, just a thought!
Thanks for posting that catalogue extract, I had that edition.
Was that in the main catalogue or a special supliment?
Skyline2uk
Quote from: SidmouthJunction on July 28, 2015, 03:31:57 PM
It's that LT 57XX pannier that eluded me!
You might still get one - they seem to appear regularly secondhand and much cheaper now that Dapol have done their 57xx in LT livery :thumbsup:
That was one of the red box ones, so only 500 or so about.
Cheers,
Alan
I have got a 158 in the Thailand livery, not sure if it is rare or not.
I have a Poole made Class 33 in BR green with blackened wheels. I bought it new right at the end of Poole production.
Paddy
Quote from: Paddy on July 28, 2015, 07:14:26 PM
I have a Poole made Class 33 in BR green with blackened wheels. I bought it new right at the end of Poole production.
Rare that!
cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on July 28, 2015, 07:19:55 PM
Quote from: Paddy on July 28, 2015, 07:14:26 PM
I have a Poole made Class 33 in BR green with blackened wheels. I bought it new right at the end of Poole production.
Rare that!
cheers,
Alan
Maurice at Osborn Models managed to get me one. It is GF8314 and numbered D6572. Bought the loco on January 15th, 2001 for £56.66.
Paddy
Quote from: Paddy on July 28, 2015, 07:29:19 PM
Maurice at Osborn Models managed to get me one. It is GF8314 and numbered D6572. Bought the loco on January 15th, 2001 for £56.66.
Paddy
Must have been made up with the last few bits Bachmann had knocking about at the time, as I think they'd taken over by then...!
Cheers,
Alan
You are probably right Alan. It had been released a few months earlier and I hesitated in buying one. I recall Maurice had a hell of a job tracking one down for me.
Paddy
Quote from: paulprice on July 28, 2015, 03:06:38 PM
I have 4 at the moment, two maroon and 2 black BUT I WANT MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE
Hey! No fair.
Now that I've seen an 'in' for legitimising a 4P I'll be taking a look at the second-hand listings again. I wonder if I'll find one going for less than the price of a new 3F 0-6-0...?
Quote from: Mirrlees on July 28, 2015, 03:39:22 PM
I have got a 158 in the Thailand livery, not sure if it is rare or not.
What that RTR or one of mine, Tim? If it's RTR, I've never heard of it but it could have been produced as a promotional model.
Quote from: Paddy on July 28, 2015, 07:33:33 PM
You are probably right Alan. It had been released a few months earlier and I hesitated in buying one. I recall Maurice had a hell of a job tracking one down for me.
Paddy
By that time I think Bachmann were already starting to look to re-engineer and cut costs - my GF80211 (IIRC) 47747 'Graham Farish' has a hybrid armature with a Bachmann commutator and a Poole style set of windings. The commutators were the same as those on the Bachmann motor used in the later split chassis. Your 33 may well be similar.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: captainelectra on July 28, 2015, 07:37:32 PM
Quote from: Mirrlees on July 28, 2015, 03:39:22 PM
I have got a 158 in the Thailand livery, not sure if it is rare or not.
What that RTR or one of mine, Tim? If it's RTR, I've never heard of it but it could have been produced as a promotional model.
Is "Thailand livery" the same as "toothpaste livery", i.e. blue/white/red stripes ?
Best regards,
Joe
Here you are for those that haven't seen the Farish 47 in Red stripe livery and the Minitrix 47 that stopped it.
I hope this works not used to post pictures.
[smg id=27619 type=preview align=center caption="Re: Poole Farish rare items - are there any?"]
The Minitrix Red Stripe 47
[smg id=27625 type=preview align=center caption="Re: Poole Farish rare items - are there any?"]
Quote from: joe cassidy on July 28, 2015, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: captainelectra on July 28, 2015, 07:37:32 PM
Quote from: Mirrlees on July 28, 2015, 03:39:22 PM
I have got a 158 in the Thailand livery, not sure if it is rare or not.
What that RTR or one of mine, Tim? If it's RTR, I've never heard of it but it could have been produced as a promotional model.
Is "Thailand livery" the same as "toothpaste livery", i.e. blue/white/red stripes ?
Best regards,
Joe
I loved that one Mirrlees - thank you for the chuckle. There I was thinking Farish had painted a 158 in a Thai livery!
Dan
Flipping hec, there's me been googling "thai" liveries as not heard of that one but always keen to learn (embarrased).
...Google search to the rescue! I hope they were cleaned up before sending out, usually they're full of rubbish and strange looking stains on the seats -and the heaters always on full blast!
Quote from: DesertHound on July 28, 2015, 10:45:46 PM
I loved that one Mirrlees - thank you for the chuckle. There I was thinking Farish had painted a 158 in a Thai livery!
Dan
It is ready to run. :) I think it was produced for BREL, but I am not sure. I will get the model out and get a photo of it :thumbsup:
Tim,
I knew these were produced but never seen one - if you can take some Photos I will add to my website with pics of the other Farish oddities... I have tracked down most of the non-UK Farish models.
The Bachmann GIF Class 37 evaded me, there was a Spanish shop selling them but they seem to disappear, based on usual 500+ produced there must be some hiding on some Spanish layouts.
Thanks
Tony
Quote from: Mirrlees on July 29, 2015, 12:01:32 AM
It is ready to run. :) I think it was produced for BREL, but I am not sure. I will get the model out and get a photo of it :thumbsup:
No problem.
I've now just got to Box 10!!!
Quote from: Mirrlees on July 29, 2015, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: DesertHound on July 28, 2015, 10:45:46 PM
I loved that one Mirrlees - thank you for the chuckle. There I was thinking Farish had painted a 158 in a Thai livery!
Dan
It is ready to run. :) I think it was produced for BREL, but I am not sure. I will get the model out and get a photo of it :thumbsup:
Ah Tim
So that wasn't a typo then? Still funny, but amazing to hear that they made something for Thailand.
Would love to see a picture, and thanks for bringing this one up.
Cheers
Dan
Quote from: Skyline2uk on July 28, 2015, 03:34:23 PM
Thanks for posting that catalogue extract, I had that edition.
Was that in the main catalogue or a special supliment?
Skyline2uk
Looks like it's from the main catalogue Skyline, 1987.
Dan
Quote from: DesertHound on July 29, 2015, 08:57:36 AM
Looks like it's from the main catalogue Skyline, 1987.
Those limited editions were not released until the mid 1990s, so it can't be from 1987.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: johnlambert on July 27, 2015, 12:48:07 PM
As far as I can tell there was a final run of Graham Farish Halls that came with blackened wheels plus a new front bogie that included closer to scale wheels and a NEM pocket to accommodate a front coupling. I've got one and I've seen another for sale but they're rare compared with the earlier versions with the tiny bogie wheels.
Assuming you picked this up second hand, are you sure the new front bogie with NEM pocket isn't a later addition by someone.
I've seen a couple of Poole Halls for sale with bogies from other locos fitted - one had a bogie from a B1 I think. I've always been a bit dubious about them though as you can't tell how well they fit and run.
I have a couple of the final Halls and Castles, all with blackened wheels but none of them have a different bogie other than the then standard one with tiny wheels. Would GF have gone to the trouble of making a new specially designed bogie for such a small run??
Quote from: Ensign Elliott on July 29, 2015, 11:28:49 AM
Assuming you picked this up second hand, are you sure the new front bogie with NEM pocket isn't a later addition by someone.
I have a couple of the final Halls and Castles, all with blackened wheels but none of them have a different bogie other than the then standard one with tiny wheels. Would GF have gone to the trouble of making a new specially designed bogie for such a small run??
Yes, they did on the very last production run of Halls (normal run of 1008 models) - the bogie whas changed for that of one of the newer tool models.
(https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/372-003_1.jpg)
It's worth noting that this was well after production moved to China, so is not an English Poole made model, though does still use some of the tooling.
Of course there will always be a few out there that owners have modified too as you rightly say, but this one generally is a bone-fide factory release.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on July 29, 2015, 11:34:43 AM
Yes, they did on the very last production run of Halls (normal run of 1008 models) - the bogie whas changed for that of one of the newer tool models.
(https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/372-003_1.jpg)
It's worth noting that this was well after production moved to China, so is not an English Poole made model, though does still use some of the tooling.
Of course there will always be a few out there that owners have modified too as you rightly say, but this one generally is a bone-fide factory release.
Cheers,
Alan
Thanks Alan, that's really interesting. I must have completely missed them at the time. I wonder if Bachmann have any spares they could send... I have 6 Halls which would look better with these replaced!
Quote from: Dr Al on July 29, 2015, 09:33:13 AM
Quote from: DesertHound on July 29, 2015, 08:57:36 AM
Looks like it's from the main catalogue Skyline, 1987.
Those limited editions were not released until the mid 1990s, so it can't be from 1987.
Cheers,
Alan
Ooooops ... my mistake, I meant to type 1997.
Quote from: DesertHound on July 29, 2015, 01:34:29 PM
Ooooops ... my mistake, I meant to type 1997.
:thumbsup: yes, sounds more like it - I recall buying one of those 56s back in the day a year or two after release (I think they were having difficulty shifting the 56s...), now getting to be oh, such a long time ago.
I've got a couple of early catalogues and excerpts in good nick if folk would be interested in some scans...
cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on July 29, 2015, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: Ensign Elliott on July 29, 2015, 11:28:49 AM
Assuming you picked this up second hand, are you sure the new front bogie with NEM pocket isn't a later addition by someone.
I have a couple of the final Halls and Castles, all with blackened wheels but none of them have a different bogie other than the then standard one with tiny wheels. Would GF have gone to the trouble of making a new specially designed bogie for such a small run??
Yes, they did on the very last production run of Halls (normal run of 1008 models) - the bogie whas changed for that of one of the newer tool models.
(https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/372-003_1.jpg)
It's worth noting that this was well after production moved to China, so is not an English Poole made model, though does still use some of the tooling.
Of course there will always be a few out there that owners have modified too as you rightly say, but this one generally is a bone-fide factory release.
Cheers,
Alan
Indeed it is Alan and what a difference it makes to the Hall. It is a shame they did not fit that bogie on the Castle. Wonder if it would fit and whether Bob at BR Lines has spares.
Paddy
Quote from: Ensign Elliott on July 29, 2015, 12:21:11 PM
Thanks Alan, that's really interesting. I must have completely missed them at the time. I wonder if Bachmann have any spares they could send... I have 6 Halls which would look better with these replaced!
Don't forget N-Brass-Locos, who've offered replacement bogies for Farish locos for many years.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on July 29, 2015, 02:45:08 PM
Quote from: Ensign Elliott on July 29, 2015, 12:21:11 PM
Thanks Alan, that's really interesting. I must have completely missed them at the time. I wonder if Bachmann have any spares they could send... I have 6 Halls which would look better with these replaced!
Don't forget N-Brass-Locos, who've offered replacement bogies for Farish locos for many years.
Cheers,
Alan
Indeed but if Farish have created a plug in replacement then that would be great.
Paddy
Quote from: Paddy on July 29, 2015, 02:47:19 PM
Indeed but if Farish have created a plug in replacement then that would be great.
Paddy
N brass do offer theirs fully built aswell.
Cheers,
Alan
Looking on BR Lines website they list the Hall/Castle bogie as the same item. This would seem to indicate that the bogies are interchangeable. Alas the spare ones do not have your better wheels Alan.
Paddy
I've been on to Bachmann and just ordered some replacement NEM bogies for my fleet of aging GF Halls and Castles. They work out at £7.50 each plus £2 postage, so not cheap but well worth it to improve the look of the locos.
I've got some of the N Brass ones but have never been very impressed with them. Hopefully these will be better.
Sorry for hijacking an interesting thread BTW.
Quote from: Ensign Elliott on July 29, 2015, 04:14:45 PM
I've been on to Bachmann and just ordered some replacement NEM bogies for my fleet of aging GF Halls and Castles. They work out at £7.50 each plus £2 postage, so not cheap but well worth it to improve the look of the locos.
I've got some of the N Brass ones but have never been very impressed with them. Hopefully these will be better.
Sorry for hijacking an interesting thread BTW.
Hi Ensign Elliott,
So Bachmann actually sell those bogies in the Hall photo? Could you please confirm who you actually contacted and the part number of bogie you ordered? I would love to get one for my Castle.
Many thanks
Paddy
Hi Folks,
In the interests of completeness you can see a photo of my Poole Class 33 with blackened wheels below.
[smg id=27645, width=400]
Kind regards
Paddy
Quote from: Paddy on July 29, 2015, 04:56:28 PM
Hi Folks,
In the interests of completeness you can see a photo of my Poole Class 33 with blackened wheels.
[smg id=27645, width=400]
Kind regards
Paddy
Very nice, Paddy.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/221839215027?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/221839215027?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
Saw that one pop up on eBay AU and immediately thought of this thread. Pity the box is in poor condition....
How on earth does a box get in that condition whilst the loco looks like new? :confused1:
Paddy
Quote from: Paddy on July 29, 2015, 04:55:26 PM
Hi Ensign Elliott,
So Bachmann actually sell those bogies in the Hall photo? Could you please confirm who you actually contacted and the part number of bogie you ordered? I would love to get one for my Castle.
Many thanks
Paddy
Yes. After I saw Dr Al's post I was intrigued so emailed the Bachmann Service help desk on the off chance they might have some still in stock. They came back to me within a hour or two and said they can send me some out. They then emailed me a paypal invoice to pay. I ordered some Duchess and Fairburn accessory bags off them last week in the same way and they arrived a couple of days later. Excellent service!
Email address I use is: Bachmann.Service@bachmann-europe.co.uk
I'm hoping these bogies will fit the Castles as well as the Halls as it will make a real difference - especially being able to run tender first!
Brilliant, thanks Ensign Elliott - I will contact them today.
Many thanks
Paddy
Just got a reply from Bachmann and alas they do not have anymore of these bogies in stock.
Paddy
Bob at BR Lines does not have any either.
Paddy
Quote from: Paddy on July 30, 2015, 03:32:45 PM
Just got a reply from Bachmann and alas they do not have anymore of these bogies in stock.
Paddy
Ah sorry Paddy - I must have ordered the last ones. :(
That's strange though as I originally asked for 8 bogies, which they said they could send and then sent me an invoice for. However, once I'd seen the price was going to be over £60 in total I decided to drop the amount to 3, for the time being. They must have another 5 still - unless someone else has got in...
Bear in mind that this bogie is essentially the same as that used on many of the new tool models (e.g. Black 5, B1) with the smaller wheels (so the one as supplied, they also come with a full scale wheeled bogie)- so if you can find someone who's using the larger scale-wheeled bogies that doesn't need their other bogie then it would only be a case of fabricating a small replacement drawbar strip for the bogie from brass or the likes.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Ensign Elliott on July 31, 2015, 08:54:56 AMAh sorry Paddy - I must have ordered the last ones. :(
That's strange though as I originally asked for 8 bogies, which they said they could send and then sent me an invoice for. However, once I'd seen the price was going to be over £60 in total I decided to drop the amount to 3, for the time being. They must have another 5 still - unless someone else has got in...
No problem Ensign Elliott - good luck to you. I would still love to hear whether they fit the Castle and a photo of the end result.
Many thanks
Paddy
Quote from: Arrachogaidh on July 31, 2015, 12:43:08 PM
I thought someone might have mentioned the Caledonian Railway decorated set in Blue loco and marroon and white coaches.[smg id=27684 type=preview align=center caption="3374 l"]
Very smart looking train.
Paddy
Quote from: Paddy on July 31, 2015, 10:14:05 AM
Quote from: Ensign Elliott on July 31, 2015, 08:54:56 AMAh sorry Paddy - I must have ordered the last ones. :(
That's strange though as I originally asked for 8 bogies, which they said they could send and then sent me an invoice for. However, once I'd seen the price was going to be over £60 in total I decided to drop the amount to 3, for the time being. They must have another 5 still - unless someone else has got in...
No problem Ensign Elliott - good luck to you. I would still love to hear whether they fit the Castle and a photo of the end result.
Many thanks
Paddy
If my experiment tonight is anything to go by, the improved bogie doesn't fit the Castle. The casting under the smokebox on the Castle is deeper and fouls the top of the bogie. I'll upload pictures tomorrow. You'd need to remove a bit of metal on the Castle to change the bogie over - which is probably why Bachmann didn't offer the Castle with an improved bogie.
A couple of photos.
Castle and Hall
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/20/thumb_27714.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=27714)
Castle with Hall bogie, you can see the problem with fitting the Hall bogie.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/20/thumb_27713.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=27713)
Time to try the N Brass replacement bogie?
Quote from: johnlambert on August 01, 2015, 10:05:48 AM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/20/thumb_27713.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=27713)
If you filed down the square pillar on top of the bogie then this would help give the drawbar clearance - you might need to shorten the screw also as the hole would be less deep, but I could see that as a potential solution.
HTH,
Alan
Ah I see now plus the cylinder block is in a different location. Does the rear bogie wheel fowl the Castle cylinder?
Many thanks
Paddy
A few pics of a couple of halls with the new bogies fitted. One is a more recent Hall with finer, blackened wheels, the other is a much older hall from about 1995. I had to shave a little plastic off the top of this bogie as the larger pizza cutter wheels are slightly smaller than the more modern wheels and the bogie was making them ride up slightly. Both work fine now though, with no derailments. Next job is to convert the castles to take the new bogies.
[smg id=27846 type=preview align=center caption="20150804 202830"]
[smg id=27847 type=preview align=center caption="20150804 202837"]
[smg id=27848 type=preview align=center caption="20150804 202906"]
They look much better with those wheels Ensign Elliott. Looking forward to seeing your results with the Castle.
Kind regards
Paddy
Here are some pictures of the Thai 158 that GraFar produced.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28363.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28363)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28362.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28362)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28364.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28364)
Fantastic Mirlees - thank you! I didn't even know Grafar produced this in a Thai livery, let alone anything in any foreign livery (I know they did something in OO, or HO, many years ago - US Steam).
So are these prototypes of the real thing? Are there / were there Thai 158's zipping up and down the Thai railway network?
Cheers
Dan
If I recall correctly I think they may have also done a Dutch 08 (Not Civil Engineering - NS Livery)- another rarity.
Plus of course the Wagon Lits Pullmans in blue (rare as rocking horse doo-doo).
roy
Quote from: DesertHound on August 22, 2015, 09:47:38 AM
Fantastic Mirlees - thank you! I didn't even know Grafar produced this in a Thai livery, let alone anything in any foreign livery (I know they did something in OO, or HO, many years ago - US Steam).
So are these prototypes of the real thing? Are there / were there Thai 158's zipping up and down the Thai railway network?
Yup:
http://youtu.be/vhSrx-z62UI (http://youtu.be/vhSrx-z62UI)
Ifteresting Roy. Any pics per chance? I wonder what kind of boxes they came in, if they were the standard Farish boxes of the time.
Ah yes, I do recall seeing those Blue Pullmans.
Dan
Someone forgot to tell them that their platforms are too low! I wonder if their 158's have foldable stairs that extend out - it's hard to make out from the video.
Otherwise they be giants!
Dan
Quote from: DesertHound on August 22, 2015, 01:05:13 PM
Ifteresting Roy. Any pics per chance? I wonder what kind of boxes they came in, if they were the standard Farish boxes of the time.
..........
Dan
Standard Farish boxes with no cat number
Quote from: Roy L S on August 22, 2015, 11:23:45 AM
If I recall correctly I think they may have also done a Dutch 08 (Not Civil Engineering - NS Livery)- another rarity.
Long time since the last post, but for what its worth, here is a Dutch 08:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4158/33621553813_2fd3e199bd_b.jpg)
Also, one of the very few (<10?) 47378s that made it out into the wild:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4190/33621552383_05c622a6cc_b.jpg)
And finally, two I have little info on - does anyone have anything on the provenance of these:
First an 08:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4162/33621553523_fe55ce8911_b.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4167/33621553173_b666d06c5f_b.jpg)
And secondly, a class 37 - fairly common petroleum sector livery, but I've never ever seen it with this number - normally 37887. [I do have the chassis for this, but currently being repaired to original condition and working order]
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4161/33621552883_55d3310950_b.jpg)
Both of these are factory finish - anyone who knows anything on them I'd be interested to hear!
Best,
Alan
Quote from: SidmouthJunction on July 27, 2015, 01:19:11 PM
There was a J94 in Longmoor Military Railway blue, split from a set I think, in the showcase at Frizinghall for ages. Always thought about it but never acted, now gone and never seen one again.
ive got one but it now has a khaki hue!
I have the other 4 NS Farish 08s..
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/2538-030517194355.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=51584)
Also have two of the NS Khaki J94s.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/2538-030517194451.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=51585)
I think the 37889 is legititmate, not sure about the Swedish SJ (Statens Järnvägar) though.
Sorry for the poor pics - used my phone... I will sort some better ones out.
Regards
Tony
Mine is still blue
I have the Red stripe 20 215 Came up on eBay as a bin boxed vgc I paid £50 for it .
I seem to recall a picture of the red stripe 20 in the Farish advertising numbered 20137. I never subsequently saw an actual model, suggesting this never made it to production with this number.
Quote from: carderrail on May 03, 2017, 07:47:49 PM
I have the other 4 NS Farish 08s..
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/2538-030517194355.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=51584)
Also have two of the NS Khaki J94s.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/2538-030517194451.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=51585)
I think the 37889 is legititmate, not sure about the Swedish SJ (Statens Järnvägar) though.
Thanks - cleary then there were a number of Dutch 08s over the years?
Thanks also for thoughts on 37889 and 08 - anyone know if Farish dabbled in the Swedish market? Have you any feeling if 37889 was an early release or a late one (given that Farish did go round and change the numbers of various models in the 1990s including 20142 to 20139, 25326 to 252xx (I forget!) and 37699 to 37696).
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Claude Dreyfus on May 04, 2017, 08:00:44 AM
I seem to recall a picture of the red stripe 20 in the Farish advertising numbered 20137. I never subsequently saw an actual model, suggesting this never made it to production with this number.
This is the infamous un-found 20 - it's never been shown or proven to have existed. 20215 had something like 300-500 produced, so is fairly rare. To me it was a much nicer execution of this livery than Bachmann did on the old tooling with their 20227. Only the new tool Bachmann model is superior in terms of colours IMHO.
Cheers,
Alan
20137 does exist, i met a chap a few years ago who had a full farish collection and he had a 20137 in railfreight with the box code 8208. He told me however there are a lot of fakes out there especially on 47378 which to a certain extent keeps the price keen because you cant always tell the difference, the same goes with 20215/137 although since farish brought out 20227 and 20132.
Richard
Quote from: B757-236GT on May 05, 2017, 10:01:25 AM
20137 does exist, i met a chap a few years ago who had a full farish collection and he had a 20137 in railfreight with the box code 8208. He told me however there are a lot of fakes out there especially on 47378 which to a certain extent keeps the price keen because you cant always tell the difference, the same goes with 20215/137 although since farish brought out 20227 and 20132.
Interesting!
I've seen a repainted 20137, nicely done, but clearly not a factory finish. My 47 is definitely factory, and one that's just been normally used unlike the others I've seen, meaning it wasn't expensive. The other confuser is that Minitrix also did a 47 in the same livery, same number.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Jason B on May 04, 2017, 03:27:12 AM
I have the Red stripe 20 215 Came up on eBay as a bin boxed vgc I paid £50 for it .
This is my 215 I believe its correct . well I hope so ,it has a maintenance sheet included ,registration cards dated early 1993
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b559/ts030j/IMG_20170505_150839501_zps2eykds8q.jpg) (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/ts030j/media/IMG_20170505_150839501_zps2eykds8q.jpg.html)
Jason
I very much doubt it's "not real" if you've got the correct box, which you have and from the limited view from the photograph, it looks legit. I have a couple of them and they're clearly legit - I imagine yours is too, so don't worry 8)
Yes it all' very authentic with all the documents .
Thanks it was nice item that I had to have .
Cheers :beers:
Quote from: Jason B on May 05, 2017, 04:44:10 PM
Yes it all' very authentic with all the documents .
Thanks it was nice item that I had to have .
Cheers :beers:
That's legit - finding one boxed and with guarantee is rarer still as there are of course some unboxed ones about.
A good clue to legitimacy is size of the cabside numbers - most of the decal suppliers (like Fox) offer cabside numbers that are slightly smaller than this (and those on 47378) so it's a good indicator. Yours looks identical to the 5 or so of these I've owned over the years (now superceded by the Bachfar new tool version!).
Cheers,
Alan
Thank you
Yes I was fortunate to get it with all its original documents and condition
I have 142 and 139 I should really find a nice green example to complete the set
Enjoy owning it Jason - you've got a nice model there! :thumbsup:
Not everybody's cup of tea but I have a bit of a fetish for these........Golden Arrow Spam Cans ! :-[
(http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p713/MrSprue/NGF%20Miscellaneous/Spam%20Cans_zps7libcvba.jpg)
Quote from: Mr Sprue on May 05, 2017, 08:28:40 PM
Not everybody's cup of tea but I have a bit of a fetish for these........Golden Arrow Spam Cans ! :-[
(http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p713/MrSprue/NGF%20Miscellaneous/Spam%20Cans_zps7libcvba.jpg)
Those were very very early, and pretty rare (now we know why.... :laughabovepost: ). Even rarer in running condition with the original plastic chassis and Arnold can motor. The one with all silver wheels (inc tender/bogie) looks to have had a chassis change at some point for a later open frame motor chassis, as these only had the plastic chassis, with plastic bogie/tender wheels originally.
Cheers,
Alan
Well done Alan I wondered if some would spot my mod, the wheels took a bit of patience to paint, properly that is!
However there is one amongst my collection that is in original running order and has only one locating tab missing on its chassis plate, it actually runs pretty smooth as well ....now that is rare! :)
Very nice indeed!!!
I apologize for dredging up an old thread but since it hasn't been mentioned earlier, there was also a late production of the the Poole Class 40 with the factory blackened wheels. I purchased one second hand from Hatton's "pre-owned" sales for £52 (less VAT it was £43.33) on 10 February, 2016. I saved the loco to my Hatton's wishlist, so still have access to the link with pictures:
https://www.hattons.co.uk/176260/graham_farish_8116_ln01_class_40_40015_aquitania_in_br_blue_pre_owned_like_new/stockdetail.aspx (https://www.hattons.co.uk/176260/graham_farish_8116_ln01_class_40_40015_aquitania_in_br_blue_pre_owned_like_new/stockdetail.aspx)
None of the gears have split (yet) so all the wheels are original and still match each other!
Matt