In case you haven't noticed the new banner, Revolution are announcing 5 new models and reruns on Saturday exclusively on the N Gauge Fourm at 0900 hrs.
Wonder what they are?
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Woo, Froth boilers to max Scotty ...!
Well to TINGS you must come, £10.50 on the door , free carpark lovely restaurant, al that is good and even better in N gauge, Bob Tilbury thrown in for free stand 44 and Mike&Ben stand 16 for starters!!
Probably a grumpy queue welcome host !! to put up with and the chance to spend, spend and learn about new models from Ben and others around the hall.
see you there
Robert
I guess we will see some great new modern image and perhaps a long life loco from Revolution
Exciting news, I'm guessing that one of the reruns may let us all have another cup of TEA perhaps.
New models... hmmm, didn't they venture into OO with the TEAs as well? In that case, as they already have the tooling and have started thinking outside the "N"velope*, it's obviously going to be a Gauge 1 11-car Pendolino. An easy scale-up job with loads of sales potential.
I'd still like an APT-E though.
* - I've just thought of that which I think is quite a clever little play on words and letters, and am copyrighting it. So hands off.
Hi all,
Everything we are offering this weekend is N.
But as ever, with two exceptions where we will have painted samples of all new models, these are just being offered up as suggestions and will only happen if enough people step forward and decide to order.
If the market does not speak, we cannot listen!
Cheers
Ben A.
The new motorised one has me completely stumped.
This and the other 4 models have wallet on defcon 2.
Skyline2uk
I think we can discount steam or modernisation plan or pre-grouping diesels.
What's left. Anything Electric beginning with 8x, apart from the 86. A Cl90, or perhaps an IEP to provide the Pendo with some competition!
Regards,
John P
I'm hanging my coat on a peg marked Class 28. (I'd like it to be Falcon, but I don't see it.)
I think I read elsewhere that it would be a transition-era powered model? I may have that wrong, however because I can't find it now.
Quote from: NGS-PO on September 07, 2018, 08:28:18 AM
I'm hanging my coat on a peg marked Class 28. (I'd like it to be Falcon, but I don't see it.)
I think I read elsewhere that it would be a transition-era powered model? I may have that wrong, however because I can't find it now.
I read that too, also can't remember where now.
Class 28 would be rule 1 for me, but I do like the prototype.
Skyline2uk
Quote from: Skyline2uk on September 07, 2018, 08:37:17 AM
Quote from: NGS-PO on September 07, 2018, 08:28:18 AM
I'm hanging my coat on a peg marked Class 28. (I'd like it to be Falcon, but I don't see it.)
I think I read elsewhere that it would be a transition-era powered model? I may have that wrong, however because I can't find it now.
I read that too, also can't remember where now.
Class 28 would be rule 1 for me, but I do like the prototype.
Skyline2uk
Having said all that, powered model doesn't have to mean locomotive. It could be a unit.
I am away this weekend, but I'll be glued to my phone with excitement at the announcement!!
Have a great TINGS one and all :thumbsup:
Cheers
Anthony
Quote from: NGS-PO on September 07, 2018, 08:38:51 AM
Having said all that, powered model doesn't have to mean locomotive. It could be a unit.
That's a valid point, and something like a Class 313 AC/DC EMU or a Class 117 DMU would surely be useful models.
The only really obvious gaps are the 'Peak' diesels and the Class 87, 90, and 91 electrics, but these are old Farish models with some probability of being updated in the medium term. Some of those electric locos didn't sell particularly well either, if their persistence on the 'bargain shelf' in many shops is any indication.
It really has to be a unit then, if Revolution wanted to do something completely new, and the money seems to be on contemporary units, which might rule out the first generation DMUs. My money would be on some sort of modern image EMU, much as I'd love to see a class 76 loco or Metropolitan Railway Bo-Bo!
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: NGS-PO on September 07, 2018, 08:28:18 AM
I'm hanging my coat on a peg marked Class 28. (I'd like it to be Falcon, but I don't see it.)
I think I read elsewhere that it would be a transition-era powered model? I may have that wrong, however because I can't find it now.
Found it!
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=34556.msg515814#msg515814 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=34556.msg515814#msg515814)
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:veryangry: Seriously(!)? :veryangry: 9am on a Saturday morning(?)! :veryangry: What about my well deserved lie in(!)? :veryangry: I'll be lucky to even get off to sleep tonight! :D
Quote from: RailGooner on September 07, 2018, 09:42:39 AM
:veryangry: Seriously(!)? :veryangry: 9am on a Saturday morning(?)! :veryangry: What about my well deserved lie in(!)? :veryangry: I'll be lucky to even get off to sleep tonight! :D
Think about the poor Admin who has to be up at 8am to put all of the threads and pictures together!!!! :no: :D
I'm like a kid at Christmas.
TEAs seems a cert to me.
325? A 90 maybe? Painted samples of new things. I may explode. It's a very real risk.
Quote from: njee20 on September 07, 2018, 10:03:05 AM
I'm like a kid at Christmas.
TEAs seems a cert to me.
325? A 90 maybe? Painted samples of new things. I may explode. It's a very real risk.
Please don't :smiley-laughing:
Skyline2uk
Quote from: Buzzard on September 07, 2018, 07:01:31 AM
Quote from: jpendle on September 06, 2018, 10:35:38 PMWhat's left.
76
77
Now that would just cause me to build another layout I won't finish and a world of cost :doh:
Quote from: NGS-PO on September 07, 2018, 08:28:18 AM
I'm hanging my coat on a peg marked Class 28. (I'd like it to be Falcon, but I don't see it.)
Either would do me, although the class 28 really needs a twin weathered pack - 1 powered, 1 dummy :D
My money's on a Fell Diesel. No layout is complete without one. :beers:
probably an 87 or a 90 i would think as they like wcml????
I must admit I forgot about multiple units.
If its a diesel, then the 175 and 185 come to mind, plus loads of units from the 60's until privatisation.
Regards,
John P
I'd say the 90 would be a great choice, but with Bachmann doing a OO gauge one you may expect a shrink ray to be applied in due course.
That said... Revolution already have painted samples of some things, and given Farish haven't even announced one and are beyond slow at releasing anything these days I'd bet my hat that Ben and Mike could steal a march on them and get theirs out far quicker. It'd be a gamble, but I'd give it very good odds.
87 could be interesting, would be an earlier period than a lot of their models, but would complement the 86 certainly, and just about the 92 and Pendolino.
Dunno what else... I'd love to see some car carriers - I know Ben thought the IPA was too much of a risk, and too expensive in a 4-car variant, but maybe the STVA covered single deck carriers used for vans and larger cars. Would go with the 92, WCML (and far wider), interesting model.
A 325 would be great and an interesting choice, but possibly a bit niche/limited appeal. Electrostars? Lots of potential derivatives, but could be a risk given their proliferation south of the river with few other RTR options.
Other container flats? Ecofrets? FSA/FTA? FLA?
Hi
Maybe some sort of Ferry Van especially as I am just about to start building some more Belgian ones.
Cheers
Paul
Quote from: njee20 on September 07, 2018, 02:33:09 PMA 325 would be great and an interesting choice, but possibly a bit niche/limited appeal.
Didn't stop the production of a Pendolino.
Perhaps a bit of On Track Plant might be on the cards. How many could find space for a Plasser or a rail grinder?
Quote from: njee20 on September 07, 2018, 02:33:09 PMOther container flats? Ecofrets? FSA/FTA? FLA?
Nooooooooooooooo! I'm all containered out and haven't finished the last purchase of kits from C=Rail.
Quote from: PaulCheffus on September 07, 2018, 02:58:17 PMMaybe some sort of Ferry Van
With you on that.
One day someone must really get around to the Transfesa and smooth sided Interfrigo vans.
Quote from: PaulCheffus on September 07, 2018, 02:58:17 PMas I am just about to start building some more Belgian ones.
Perhaps you'd better put your modelling knife down until 09.01 tomorrow?
The 325 seems more niche than a Pendolino, given the 320/321 struggled to gain sufficient interest it feels that a more esoteric prototype which has essentially only operated in one livery, in a fairly small time period and geographical window may be a stretch too far. That said, I've started scratch building one, which probably makes it far more likely!
There's always room for more boxes! The FSA/FTA could be good. I would say FFA/FGA, but Bachmann have that covered in OO (eventually and at vast expense, so perhaps not).
There's loads of really good ideas in this thread and I'm enjoying seeing some of the guesses!
I'd definately be in for a modern car carrier,espacially a covered one, so you don't need any cars!
I fail to see why a 4 car unit would be too expensive. Let's face it, most modern freights have at least 12 wagons or more. So instead of buying 12 TEA's I would just be buying 3 four unit car carriers.
Regards,
John P
The 4-car units are the double deck ones like this (https://farm1.static.flickr.com/321/19334861056_1c1249e666_b.jpg), I agree that I'd not be put off by a 4-car unit at all at (say) £100 for a set, rather than £25 each, I get that you limit the market to people wanting several though.
It's these (https://farm8.static.flickr.com/7403/16403640896_bc133d995b_b.jpg) I think would be more likely, but the canvas sides could be hard to do. We shall see tomorrow! I'm not convinced I'll sleep.
It mentions reruns, is the Pendolino coming out in the new livery, my wallet is already groaning, a new powered model? Please be a 304, 308, 310 or 312. If a little more modern a 313, 315, 317, 318 series would be nice.
Hopefully the slow progress on the 320/321s hasn't put anyone off more MUs
Quote from: njee20 on September 07, 2018, 10:03:05 AM
325? A 90 maybe? Painted samples of new things. I may explode. It's a very real risk.
Noooo...not a 325.....!!! :worried:
Cheers Jon :)
I believe the Pendolino is owned by Rapido. I'd place money on the re-run being the TEAs.
Given the dearth of modern cars in N, I don't see a modern car carrier as a goer. :hmmm: The exception is the fully enclosed WIA/Sefoorss.
My guess:
Re-run of TEA
Re-run of Pendolino
Class A tanks
Class 90
Ferry van (Interfrigo (angular body) or BR VIX) or PRA china clay (if Kernow/Revolution's agreement means the ferry-twin can be scaled up why not scale down a Kernow OO gauge product?)
What I'd like:
Class 90
Ferry van (Interfrigo (angular body) or BR VIX)
Class 304
Class 110
Class 142 - at the rate Dapol are going Revolution could still get a model out first, and the windows migh look the right size....
Steven B.
I'd love to see a 325 or a 90 as powered models and Arbels or STVAs would be nice. A source of modern cars would be needed for the STVAs though.
Cheers, Mark.
Id love to see a 185 or a 180. Or might there possibly be a Javelin in the offing?
Kirky
Quote from: Vonzack on September 07, 2018, 05:27:53 PM
I'd love to see a 325 or a 90 as powered models and Arbels or STVAs would be nice. A source of modern cars would be needed for the STVAs though.
Cheers, Mark.
You can get Minis, Transit vans and Jaguars from Oxford. Wouldn't be cheap, but it's all homogenous now, it's not like you need a wide variety of cars. Some cheap 3D printed ones on the lower deck and decent ones were you can see them.
WIAs would be interesting, and hark back to ATM.
Let's not forget thet not so long ago (Warley last year?) RevolutioN were talking about a powered Transition period model. Probably not steam, we know that's not their area of strength (but to play devil's advocate for a moment it is Colin Allbright's and he designed the Class B's). So, a transition diesel? Most of the locos left are pretty niche, a 28 is one possibility, however there are many transition (1st Gen to give them their correct categorisation) DMUs to consider, some lasted a long time, certainly into pre and post TOPS BR blue, so how about an earlyDMU...
Derby Lightweight anyone??
Roy
Quote from: NeMo on September 07, 2018, 09:23:42 AM
The only really obvious gaps are the 'Peak' diesels and the Class 87, 90, and 91 electrics, but these are old Farish models with some probability of being updated in the medium term. Some of those electric locos didn't sell particularly well either, if their persistence on the 'bargain shelf' in many shops is any indication.
The 90 probably has quite a lot of potential - the Farish offering is pretty crap by modern standards, and there are a lot of liveries to go at, and a very wide geographical range. That said, Bachmann are doing it in OO gauge so there's a fair probability that N gauge will follow in due course.
One of the reasons for the last run of 87s not selling well is probably that they were in Virgin livery, same as the previous run - a strange decision, given that there hasn't been one in a BR-era livery for many years; a blue one would probably have sold much better. It's a better model than the 90, but still rather dated.
some more guesses... (for mike to add to list of future products...)
warflats / warwells (oxford / hattons made them, so not bachmann...)
mk5 / mk5a coaches
class 310 emu
class 313 emu (and then make mersey rail 507/508?)
pwa fertiliser wagons
grainflow polybulk (yes i know there is a kit for this one already)
anyway that's all my guesses used up....
tim
Quote from: kirky on September 07, 2018, 05:43:40 PM
Id love to see a 185 or a 180. Or might there possibly be a Javelin in the offing?
Kirky
A 180 or 185 would do me nicely! There would certainly be a worthwhile order from me towards minimum production volumes!
Wagon wise Arbels would probably get my interest, though price point would be key.
I have been looking very hard at the kit from Etched Pixels (good value) so couldn't really justify hundreds on an RTR.
Other car carriers would still be interesting as well.
Skyline2uk
Would also love to see a class 180, would order a couple of those!
I would also like to see a class 800, there is the possibility for plenty of liveries and I really can't see Hornby shrinking their model.
Looking forward to seeing what is coming :-)
I feel like a kid on Xmas Eve :).
For what it's worth my guess (or at least what I would buy) is along the lines of plenty of other guesses. A class 90 would give so much scope for different liveries and span a large time window as well as a lot of electrified locations in the UK. I would guess a class 90 would sell better and have more scope than the 92 which they have made work. A 90s running gear could be used at a later date for an 87 (seeing as a 90 is only a bit more than a heavily modified 87 in the real world). Somehow farish seemed to miss this trick. Seeing as the 90s my favourite loco I'm keeping my fingers crossed......:)
A 4car unit would also make a lot of sense to make use of all the less interesting parts of producing a class 321 (packaging, running gear etc.) And I guess something like a 325 or 319 could use the same running gear maybe?? unless they can jump the gun on a 319 and beat farish to production then a 319 wouldn't make sense.
310, 311, 317, 323 anyone? There are also plenty of 4car units on the southern region, most of which I don't know the numbers of :). The possibilities seem endless........... Of course what ever it is will need enough orders to be more than just an exciting dream.
I'm going to float some sort of car transporter out there as a wagon idea. I don't know if there has been much on the market since Lima's efforts that are so old they come with pizza cutters for wheels? Car transporters seem to sell in Europe.
What ever it is that's announced tomorrow, isn't it great that someones making an effort to produce such amazing and interesting n gauge models.
Well as with Farish and its promised Thompsons my main interest is delivering those 2 things I have put money up for - noting the artic vans are now on the way, but I am thinking of the Saltire 320, so I can put the wires up on Allanbrae.
I admit I would struggle not to buy a Class 28. They were used on the Condor so I could "divert" one into Portpatrick with modest modellers licence.
A 310? Well I travelled up to Euston on these from the mid 70s when I first moved to Watford. So having bought a Farish 350 as the last class I commuted on before retiring I would be tempted by a 310 under Rule 1. I liked the units. Silver coloured window frames on plain blue livery. Corridor links only between carriages 1-2, then 3-4; and those wonderful wrap round drivers windows. They only did 75 mph and they were comfortable. Like my 350 no real use on any layout I have built or am likely to build but so what.
Less than 9 hours until the truth is revealed.
Well it's 10.30am and can't see any news :no: :doh: :smackedface:
At 8:00 a.m. BDT I'll be fast asleep, hopefully. The only Revolution I know anything about is the failed New England soccer team. :) But, my impression is that this "Revolution" is all about the locomotives that replaced steam. Sorry, but I can't get excited. Still, I DO like to know, so I'll check in later big announcement.
Leon
Quote from: Bealman on September 08, 2018, 01:29:32 AM
Well it's 10.30am and can't see any news :no: :doh: :smackedface:
From higher up than you, I can see a sparkly dome of tingly rainbow colours stretching high into the stratosphere directly above the Revolution TINGS stand, and unicorns are dancing tantalisingly on the edge of sight.
:laughabovepost:
I think I'll have what you had for breakfast for lunch! ;D
Less than an hour to go :-)
I'm finishing off the pages now, ready to submit in a little while. :)
Now posted.
Revolution Trains VEA's
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=42501.msg526993;topicseen#msg526993 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=42501.msg526993;topicseen#msg526993)
Revolution Trains IPA wagon
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=42502.msg526994;topicseen#msg526994 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=42502.msg526994;topicseen#msg526994)
Revolution Trains Class 128 Parcels
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=42503.msg526995;topicseen#msg526995 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=42503.msg526995;topicseen#msg526995)
Revolution Trains Cemflo PCV Wagon
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=42505.0;topicseen (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=42505.0;topicseen)
Revolution Trains Tanktainers
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=42504.0;topicseen (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=42504.0;topicseen)
The Class 128 seems an odd choice. Was that really determined to be the motorised model the UK hobby was crying out for? I mean, there's already a kit out there, and while it's cute and quirky, the Class 128 is really a mainline unit for runs between city termini rather than something for branchlines or secondary routes. So it's less useful for smaller layouts than a type 1 to type 3 loco might have been, or some sort of DMU.
On the other hand the freight choices do seem imaginative, covering a range of possibilities so far as layouts go.
Cheers, NeMo
Can't agree there. I think it's a great choice, and as stated, the chassis will have a multitude of uses.
I'm a big believer in rule one and running anything and everything, but the only thing of any interest to me is the tanktainers which will break up nicely all the standard boxes on an intermodal.
I can see the attraction of some of the others, but as NeMo says, the 128 feels a very random choice!
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Discussion continues on the various announcement threads.