I've just been reading modern locomotives illustrated first gen dmus issue and that got me thinking...
1. Which first gen dmu not currently available rtr do you think would be the most commercially successful?
2. Which would you most like to see produced?
The rules are you can't suggest rail buses!
Tim
I reckon the class 117 would be ideal; long-lived, wide-spread and carried a variety of liveries.
That would be a good model to see produced; along with a Thumper (either the 205 or 207)...
Quote from: Claude Dreyfus on August 14, 2014, 10:49:58 PM
I reckon the class 117 would be ideal; long-lived, wide-spread and carried a variety of liveries.
+1 for the class 117.
Cheers, NeMo
I went on 117s quite a bit as a child out of Paddington so I would definitely buy one in NSE livery!
cross country or trans penine units anyone?
class 128 parcels?
I suppose most realistic (although not ones I would buy) would be derby lightweight or 105 as they are made in OO by Bachmann I think.
Tim
We're pretty well covered with the widespread use of 101s and 108s. As above, 117s would be useful for quite a bit of the network in their lifetimes and the 104 was all over the north and in London plus the example of the West Highland.
Quote from: Claude Dreyfus on August 14, 2014, 10:49:58 PMI reckon the class 117 would be ideal; long-lived, wide-spread and carried a variety of liveries
Quite easy to retool as Class 116 for Scotland as well
Class 104 were also based at Ayr for a short period of time
Class 120 would be a final option
I am just waiting for the latest Class 101 (DCC version) to have Strathclye Transport livery applied
That just leaves the Class 107, which was quite unique to Scotland
Again, this could be retooled from the Class 108
Has to be class 124 'trans-pennine' for me....
Probably the best looking 1st gen DMU built and it ran in large sets so would easy to sell many units. Weathered version would essential - I've never seen a pic of a clean one !
I would agree that a 117 would be extremely useful. Farish have got the 57' prototypes well covered at the moment but we are sorely missing the 64' units and DMUs covering the west country.
The 117 is an obvious choice as it ran alongside the Dapol 121s and 122s. It can easily be tweaked into the very similar 116s and 118s for even wider geographical appeal.
Next up would be the 128 Parcels unit. Can utilise the existing Dapol bubble chassis. Only Me (of this parish) has already produced a very nice 3D printed bodyshell conversion for this very reason.
Lastly would be the 120 cross-country units. Distinctive "face", widspread (WR, LMR ScR) and long lived.
For me it would have to be any Southern DEMU. Ideally a 3D for my proposed layout based on Rowfant. But I am a Thumper geek so all of them please :thumbsup: :bounce:
I would quite like to see a class 105 and also and most unlikely a class 127 four car unit. Unlikely because of their very limited sphere of operation but because they are the units I most remember from my "formative" years!
I would have said 116/7/8
but really thats at least 3rd generation DMU 8)
Generation 1 was the early stuff like the GWR petrol-electric unit, Generation 2 would be the WR railcar sets and the LMS articulated unit and so on, Generation 3 would be the early BR experiments (converted LMS coach pair etc) leading into the units they built :beers:
Definitely want a 117 as they ran on the Fairford Branch, besides the 101 (have 2) the occasional 120 and one odd 115 were seen traversing the rails between Oxford and Fairford. :)
I would love to see the 104 and 105 available RTR, particularly the latter which was a such a common sight in the Eastern Region when I was a lad.
The 104 could also become a Class 110 Calder Valley unit with very little work.
The 117 etc. high density units. Dapol have a good starting point with the 121/122. First they should do the driving trailers that ran with those. That way they've got about half the work already done and can make some money back before completing the job!
I would buy a 104 and a 117
I suppose commercially though that dmus are not going to sell much. most people are happy with just one dmu and will already have a 108 or 101 so would not want another. only a small minority would buy a few different dmus for their layout.
anyway its a good topic to discuss!
I suppose longevity and regional spread are key factors for deciding what other dmu to produce rtr.
Tim
I have no plans to buy a 108 as they hardly ever ran on the WR. Now a 117 would be much more useful to me. I do have a 101 as they did turn up on the WR from time to time but it is an imperfect compromise as they did not really head west until after the end of steam and they were not exactly common in the west country.
yep! 117 or DEMU
Another vote for the class 117. I seem to remember DJM Dave saying that a unit has been digitally scanned by someone (not him) and could well be announced as a RTR model in the near future. I'd certainly buy a few (couple of green ones, blue, blue/grey and possibly Regional Railways).
Of course it can seem a long time between models being announced and them turning up on the shelves...
I'd also like a Swindon Cross-Country DMU (class 120?) as my second choice since they turned up quite often in the area I'm modelling. And I'd buy a DEMU because it reminds me of the trains I saw out of my bedroom window when I was growing up.
The 120 is another long underframe DMU like the 117, probably similar enough in N (footsteps apart) not to notice the detail differences, so having a 117 would make building a 120 a lot easier than it is now. The Gloucester Cross-Country units (119) even have the similar cabs to the 117.
Making them from the currently available RTR short DMUs isn't very practical.
Quote from: SD35 on August 14, 2014, 11:40:08 PM
We're pretty well covered with the widespread use of 101s and 108s.
Agreed - loads of other DMUs look like them from a front on perspective. I know there are differences and windows etc look different but meh, they all look the same to me.
A class 205 would be brilliant as it was such a long lived prototype and you could get a lot of liveries out of it - one exists in 4mm already too which would mean Bachmann could turn the shrink ray on the plans... I could run it and imagine it was a class 414 as they have a very similar 'face'
The class 120 also looks like a good pick as this has a different 'face' to the 117 (which just looks like a 108 to me.)
Pretty much all the main diesel locos are covered now and even baby deltic and class 17 announced so maybe we will see a few more dmu types rtr in the future. shouldn't expect anything for next 5 years or so though unless its just a Bachmann shrunken 105 or thumper (if that's right that they make them in OO)
Tim
Quote from: BernardTPM on August 15, 2014, 05:23:39 PM
The 120 is another long underframe DMU like the 117, probably similar enough in N (footsteps apart) not to notice the detail differences, so having a 117 would make building a 120 a lot easier than it is now. The Gloucester Cross-Country units (119) even have the similar cabs to the 117.
Making them from the currently available RTR short DMUs isn't very practical.
The Class 121 is a long-frame type too, so a motored+dummy pair of Dapol bubble cars is a possible starting point, if not particularly economical. You'd need to source an underframe for the trailer of course, or substitute a Metro-Cammell trailer as was not uncommon in later years. Worsley list the sides.
Quote from: Claude Dreyfus on August 14, 2014, 10:49:58 PM
I reckon the class 117 would be ideal; long-lived, wide-spread and carried a variety of liveries.
That would be a good model to see produced; along with a Thumper (either the 205 or 207)...
All
Put me down for the 117 I used to commute on then in the late 90's early 2000's great fun! Only ever failed once in same time frame was on a few Class 150 and 158 failures.
Dave
Got to be a 100 or 105 for me!
keep those numbers comming guys we'll soon end up with a 142 :D
104 for me but the 117 had a long life and the last few sets wound up in Scotland from 1993 onwards.
They came back south for storage in 2000 from Perth, and the newly formed Freightliner Heavy Haul supplied the power.
Another 117 vote here.
Seeing as how all my Ian Allan combines etc are early to mid 1960's, I haven't got a clue what class numbers they are as they're not mentioned :dunce: :'(
at this rate we'll be able to crowd source a class 117 soon... lol just another 985 'pledges' lol
tim
I would like to see a nice green 205, I'd be tempted to buy two actually....
Not that they're for me, but I think SR modellers are extremely poorly catered for when you consider the variety and longevity of their multiple units.
Quote from: bluedepot on August 15, 2014, 09:42:10 PM
at this rate we'll be able to crowd source a class 117 soon... lol just another 985 'pledges' lol
tim
Count me in for a 117 :beers:
The 124 "Trans-Pennine" for me - or, if someone were to produce the cabs to go with the Worsley Works offering.........
A clean one at that ! How very unusual !
Given the rocketing prices of DMUs and Farish's reluctance to issue 3-car sets any longer I would like to suggest a simple new release.
Simple in that it is already tooled, including the box insert, and the only new tooling would be the label on the end of the box.
What could be so simple?
A "loose" centre trailer car for the 101 and 108 in green and in blue.
This gives an upgrade path from 2 car to 3 car sets, and the opportunity to model one of the North Eastern Region's 4 car sets that were created when some 3-car sets were split to make power twins and the released centre trailers passed to other 3-car sets to make them 4-car.
"Real" 4-car 101s - ie those delivered new as 4-car- (and I think the pair of 108s supplied as 4-car) had the brake in one of the centre trailers making the sets DMCL- TBS - TS - DMCL except for six that were DMCL - TBS - TS with buffet- DMCL. The buffet sets were used on Middlesbrough-Newcastle-Carlisle trains as one half of an 8-car set. The Darlington to Saltburn line was often an 8-car train made of two 4-car sets, a far cry from the nodding donkey on that train now. A TBS is probably a tooling too far, given that they didn't normally work South of York.
The movie shows my Farish Met-Camm set in action on Hawthorn Dene at Weston Super Mare show last month. It will have its next outing at Warley.
Just a thought
Les
After the Tyneside Loop through Whitley Bay lost its electric trains the replacements were 4-car banger-blue Class 101 DMUs with names, so you could travel in "Cushie Butterfield" and "Nanny the Mazer". I'm not sure if the two class 108 4-car sets were included in those so used.
Naming DMUs is nothing new
Les
Quote from: Les1952 on October 02, 2018, 11:34:00 PM
Given the rocketing prices of DMUs and Farish's reluctance to issue 3-car sets any longer I would like to suggest a simple new release.
Simple in that it is already tooled, including the box insert, and the only new tooling would be the label on the end of the box.
What could be so simple?
A "loose" centre trailer car for the 101 and 108 in green and in blue.
This gives an upgrade path from 2 car to 3 car sets, and the opportunity to model one of the North Eastern Region's 4 car sets that were created when some 3-car sets were split to make power twins and the released centre trailers passed to other 3-car sets to make them 4-car.
"Real" 4-car 101s - ie those delivered new as 4-car- (and I think the pair of 108s supplied as 4-car) had the brake in one of the centre trailers making the sets DMCL- TBS - TS - DMCL except for six that were DMCL - TBS - TS with buffet- DMCL. The buffet sets were used on Middlesbrough-Newcastle-Carlisle trains as one half of an 8-car set. The Darlington to Saltburn line was often an 8-car train made of two 4-car sets, a far cry from the nodding donkey on that train now. A TBS is probably a tooling too far, given that they didn't normally work South of York.
The movie shows my Farish Met-Camm set in action on Hawthorn Dene at Weston Super Mare show last month. It will have its next outing at Warley.
Just a thought
Les
The main issue is that (as you have recognised with your comment on the location of the brake in the 4-car sets) many 3-car sets are not as simple as inserting an extra trailer in to a standard 2-car set...
As well as the body/seating configuration differences, I believe all 3+car sets had 2 motor cars (certainly all delivered as 3/4 did). Farish mainly produced 2-car sets as Motor+Trailer so those aren't suitable to simply insert a trailer. You would need to find a rarer 'Power-Twin' model or rebuild the underframe and inner end of the driving trailer to represent a motor car...
For me it has to be a Derby Lightweight.
With me modelling Oxfordshire in the transition era there's a plethora of DMUs that would suit me.
A 116, 117 or 120 would do nicely, thank you :D
I'd like to see the 2-car power-trailer Class 101 combination in blue, refurbished white/blue and blue/grey, plus a 3/4-car set with a TBS (in the same liveries).
I'd also like to see the following classes: 104, 105, 123 and 124.
The Class 120 trailer car is simpler to replicate than you think as it is almost identical to a standard Mk 1 coach in outline (yes the doors are in different places and the underframe equipment is different).