Locomotive selection for my Mk3 push-pull set

[davidinyork]

Class 91s were used with Mk4s, however when testing may have been seen with Mk3s albeit not in revenue service.

Don't think so - 91s are ECML locos, and always have been. When new some of them worked for a short time with modified HST sets in place of the power car at one end (the one at the other end was fitted with buffers), until the Mk4 sets were available.

The Mk3 loco-hauled sets / DVTs worked on the WCML, so the locos would have been those already suggested - i.e. 86/87/90 mostly, with 47/4s for diversions or on timetabled services to non-wired locations (e.g. N. Wales coast).

The Mk3 DVTs were also extensively used with mk2 aircon sets on the WCML.

[davidinyork]

Class 91s were used with Mk4s, however when testing may have been seen with Mk3s albeit not in revenue service.

Don't think so - 91s are ECML locos, and always have been. When new some of them worked for a short time with modified HST sets in place of the power car at one end (the one at the other end was fitted with buffers), until the Mk4 sets were available.

During testing the Class 91s were used with MK3 sleeper stock, Lab 6 or 10 and a HST power car acting as a DVT

Images and more details on

http://www.traintesting.com/ic225_2.htm

http://www.traintesting.com/ic225_3.htm

None of which is relevant to someone modelling a WCML mk3 passenger rakes.

[Intercity]

The original question was a suitable loco to use on a Mk3 push pull rake with a DVT, so the testing pictures are relevant as they show a 91 is compatible with MK3s, a bit of rule 1 as it isn't prototypical though (but it wasn't asked for actual prototypical imitation)

[njee20]

The 91s arrived before the mk4 coaches and DVTs, so they were used in service for a while with a set of mk3 coaches and an HST power car in place of a DVT, so you could prototypically use a 91 with Swallow mk3s and a Swallow power car for c1990 ECML operations!

Edit: as David said above. Missed that

[MJKERR]

Quite correct is has nothing to do with the OP. It was just correcting your incorrect reply to @Intercity

Both replies are actually correct, both took place

Testing started with just the Class 91 locos, as these were delivered first
These used RTC coaches and three Mark 2 coaches, and later expanded to include Mark 3A Sleepers along with four modified HST Power Cars

Electrification between Kings Cross and Leeds then allowed Class 91 locos to be used in passenger use, but still not enough Mark 4 coaches had been delivered
To progress driver training three HST sets had the TGS converted by fitting buffers and TDM jumper cables
An additional two HST power cars were modified
When the other four HST power cars were released from testing three further TGS were converted, but it was found that the buffers were not required so only had the TDM jumper cables fitted

[crewearpley40]

think wecould check :


http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=8199



i do remember sets being diagrammed to cover cross country liverpool / manchester - exeter / paignton /  maybe plymouth - manchester and other summer saturday -

can a certain  retailler based in the merseyside area not have any eg   dapol


i did google n gauge intercity livery locos and scroll down the list .

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/40855-loco-hauled-mk3s/]http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/40855-loco-hauled-mk3s/[


diagrams included c1985 and give info on sets used and diagrams but i cannot think today of anything other than what has been posted already - was thinking class only whatever shunted the mk3 at euston or other terminuses / terminii

this was amended as could not think of the word late at night

[MJKERR]

i do remember sets being hired in to cover cross country liverpool / manchester - exeter / paignton /  maybe plymouth - manchester and other summer saturday -

They weren't hired in, it was part of the diagram and timetable as they became spare at weekends
This in turn released the cross country sets for other diagrams and weekend maintenance (the only time it could be carried out)
Some of the cross country sets operated from Monday 05:00 right through to Saturday 22:00, so programming maintenance was a nightmare due to the length of the routes involved