Resin kit, £30. (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Gauge-Cl-41-AIA-AIA-Warship-Resin-loco-kit-Suit-Farish-Class-47-Chassis-unit-/390910206707?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item5b041062f3) Pretty much the one hydraulic you can't buy ready-to-run! But the photos are a bit blurry. Anyone know anything about these?
Seller has some other oddball prototype kits as well: DP2, Kestrel, etc. Definitely curious to know more.
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: NeMo on August 22, 2014, 06:43:53 PM
Resin kit, £30. (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Gauge-Cl-41-AIA-AIA-Warship-Resin-loco-kit-Suit-Farish-Class-47-Chassis-unit-/390910206707?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item5b041062f3) Pretty much the one hydraulic you can't buy ready-to-run! But the photos are a bit blurry. Anyone know anything about these?
Seller has some other oddball prototype kits as well: DP2, Kestrel, etc. Definitely curious to know more.
Cheers, NeMo
Hi
At a guess looking at some of the other ones on offer I would say these are the old thatsngauge (or something similar) models. No idea on how good they were though.
Cheers
Paul
My 41 and 25/1 are being sent out on Monday so we will see. I believe they are old heritage N moulds. Eric and Gareth are the two that I believe run it and both seem like nice chaps.
Chris
Quote from: zuccah98 on August 22, 2014, 09:34:33 PM
My 41 and 25/1 are being sent out on Monday so we will see. I believe they are old heritage N moulds. Eric and Gareth are the two that I believe run it and both seem like nice chaps.
Chris
Thanks both of you for the info. Chris, would be great to see what they look like in a sharper photo! The ones on the eBay site suck hard. So your opinions on the moulds and what they come with (like fuel tanks, any etched brass features) would be very welcome!
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: NeMo on August 23, 2014, 10:52:25 AM
Quote from: zuccah98 on August 22, 2014, 09:34:33 PM
My 41 and 25/1 are being sent out on Monday so we will see. I believe they are old heritage N moulds. Eric and Gareth are the two that I believe run it and both seem like nice chaps.
Chris
Thanks both of you for the info. Chris, would be great to see what they look like in a sharper photo! The ones on the eBay site suck hard. So your opinions on the moulds and what they come with (like fuel tanks, any etched brass features) would be very welcome!
Cheers, NeMo
Agreed. And any info on what chassis you intend to use would be gratefully received :thumbsup:
The D600 looks very much like Carl's (heritageN/TNGC) resins and IIRC at the time it was thought to be a copy of a worsley works etch kit (none of my handiwork!). The corresponding copyright side of things flared up and all went quiet. Will be interesting to see what quality resins these are as there was a problem with air bubble during casting on some of the resin shells that were for sale back then. Still, probably the only chance your going to get to have a D600 unless you do a worsley kit.
The kestrels not too bad (filling and sanding required) and fits a split chassis 47. The skinhead 31 is a standard Farish 31 shell with headcode boxes reshaped to a skinhead and that was my handiwork. The 23 is quite cute again with a bit of fettling and IIRC fits a class 33 split chassis.
Regards
Russ
Does anyone know the history and likely quality if the class 85 castings? I'm tempted and not worried by a bit of hacking and gentle filing!
Quote from: RussellH on August 24, 2014, 12:10:59 AM
The D600 looks very much like Carl's (heritageN/TNGC) resins and IIRC at the time it was thought to be a copy of a worsley works etch kit (none of my handiwork!). The corresponding copyright side of things flared up and all went quiet. Will be interesting to see what quality resins these are as there was a problem with air bubble during casting on some of the resin shells that were for sale back then. Still, probably the only chance your going to get to have a D600 unless you do a worsley kit.
The kestrels not too bad (filling and sanding required) and fits a split chassis 47. The skinhead 31 is a standard Farish 31 shell with headcode boxes reshaped to a skinhead and that was my handiwork. The 23 is quite cute again with a bit of fettling and IIRC fits a class 33 split chassis.
Regards
Russ
During my correspondence with the owners they said the class 41 will also fit a new dcc ready 47 and minitrix 47 chassis. I also suggested making a thread on here so hopefully he will.
Regards, Chris
The reason I asked about the chassis is that, purely with a pedantic hat on, the D600 Warships were A1A-A1A configuration and the only other loco I know like that is the Class 31. The class 47's are Co-Co :hmmm:
Quote from: newportnobby on August 24, 2014, 10:03:37 AM
The reason I asked about the chassis is that, purely with a pedantic hat on, the D600 Warships were A1A-A1A configuration and the only other loco I know like that is the Class 31. The class 47's are Co-Co :hmmm:
While that is true, by the time you have bogie side frames on, it is pretty hard to tell the difference between Co-Co and A1A-A1A in N gauge.
I built one of these kits a couple of years ago. They are quite easy to put together although the quality of the resin casting is not the best I have seen. The window frames in particular are not particularly crisp. If you have the Worsley Works parts, you could probably improve the shell a lot with etched window frames.
Anyway, here is mine painted up as D600 active.
(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee199/Karhedronuk/D600/DSCF3408.jpg)
Hi Gang,
I took the plunge for a Class 85....
First look says thT some work will be needed on the cab roofs and a bit of careful filling and filing around the windows as they are slightly angled. The instructions recommend a heavily modded Class 87 chassis but I'm going to look at more recent chassis for suitability...Dapol 26 springs to mind.....might work, might not.
Work may preclude me making a start this side of Bonfire night....so it may be a while before I can report on progress....
Later,
Stu from EGDL.
Hi Stu
I went for an 85 as well. I can't say I was that impressed with the quality of the casting - I fear a fair bit of tidying, filing and filling will be needed particularly around the lower edges of the body.
Cheers, Mike
Hi Mike,
Agreed....but as a starting point, it beats anything else we have so far.
Eight weeks away from the UK with some filler and a few files may pass some time!!!
Later,
Stu from EGDL.
So I take it your on a jolly for the government and we won't see you at TINGS this year Stu.
Bob
Correct Bob.....
Later,
Stu from EGDL.
I have one of the original 85's - its a nicely done base but a bugger to find a suitable chassis for and you'll need to build up a lot of the roof detail by hand. I also have some class 82 conversion sides for it that were never released.
The warship is almost certainly a clone of the earlier Worsley Works shell, and I imagine the new sellers will be getting ebay nastygrams and takedown notices as soon as Allen Doherty finds out (the only reason he never sued Carl is that Carl was otherwise detained for the public good anyway)
That also btw means the resin 41 is wrong, one of the body sides is inverted, something that's immediately painfully obvious when you try and fit the nameplates correctly.
The 25/1 if its the one H/N one I have a set of detailing etches for that were never released. It's not a bad model but watch which loco you pick, there are major differences between 25/1s (hinged grilles, extra bodyside vent). Think I'd wait for the new Farish one personally!
Alan
I suspect the 85 was a cast of a built up Judith Edge etch for an 85 as well.
Cheers, Mike
Its actually Andy (Not Eric) and my father in law Gareth who retires next month from his main job and will go into the modelling scene part/full time late Sept or early October. He has 45 years modelling experience and has done a lot of prop making for TV in the early 70's, Not actually a N Gauge modellr himself, but that's me and my Son who have a layout and certain products have been test run over it during the past few months debating a release and we have helped him learn the difference's between Poole and China chassis units, however I think Gareth wants to do historic aircraft in smaller scales by means of 3D printing, but will do N Gauge items to fill gaps and sell them via A.E.M Andrew Evans Models.
We are all Stone masons, however Gareth went into a more professional job, but still keeps the books for the masonry until next month. We have access to CAD and CNC in the work shops and 3D printers are on the way for various stone and metal compound, but until our 3D draftsman returns from his summer holidays, no ones knows how they work or what they can actually do and Gareth is hoping he can 3D Print blocks for plastic injection molding believing that plastic glue together kits is a way forward and better than resin products.
We have a DP2 KESTREL, FALCON, LION and some baby deltic's that Gareth has been practicing with and they are not that bad, There is Class 85 is being fitted with a Dapol class 86 chassis but the coupling housing is clashing with the bottom of the buffer beam.
Quote from: mark100 on August 30, 2014, 02:26:45 PM
We have a DP2 KESTREL, FALCON, LION and some baby deltic's
Thanks for clarifying that. Any chance of some pics of the first 4 please?
As far as the Baby Deltic goes I think you'll be up against DJ Models RTR version which is in the pipeline :hmmm:
Quote from: EtchedPixels on August 26, 2014, 03:49:26 PM
I have one of the original 85's - its a nicely done base but a bugger to find a suitable chassis for and you'll need to build up a lot of the roof detail by hand. I also have some class 82 conversion sides for it that were never released.
The warship is almost certainly a clone of the earlier Worsley Works shell, and I imagine the new sellers will be getting ebay nastygrams and takedown notices as soon as Allen Doherty finds out (the only reason he never sued Carl is that Carl was otherwise detained for the public good anyway)
That also btw means the resin 41 is wrong, one of the body sides is inverted, something that's immediately painfully obvious when you try and fit the nameplates correctly.
The 25/1 if its the one H/N one I have a set of detailing etches for that were never released. It's not a bad model but watch which loco you pick, there are major differences between 25/1s (hinged grilles, extra bodyside vent). Think I'd wait for the new Farish one personally!
Alan
I understand there is Farish interest in Carl's "use" of at least 1 model, and I know that Carl had 1 of my masters he never paid for as well.
At the end of the day, he has nothing to do with me or my family or even Andrew, so why drag up old news on something we don't know about? Find something else to spread muck about
Quote from: newportnobby on August 30, 2014, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: mark100 on August 30, 2014, 02:26:45 PM
We have a DP2 KESTREL, FALCON, LION and some baby deltic's
Thanks for clarifying that. Any chance of some pics of the first 4 please?
As far as the Baby Deltic goes I think you'll be up against DJ Models RTR version which is in the pipeline :hmmm:
How the heck do I send you photos on here? Can i clarify one thing Andrew obtained the masters from the former owner for money that was lent to him years ago and never paid back and that he has known my father in law for years via the aviation interest and basically Gareth is just building and painting RTR locos from that range for Andrew to sell because he has no knowledge on how to do them himself, yet alone know how to design/build/produce masters, there was a box of bits and scrap in Andrews garage from the trade stand and it was never collected and given to us to have a look through and what is left Andrew is selling via eBay just to clear out stuff he does not want laying around.
My son and myself are just 2 N Gauge modeller's of 5 years who where asked/advised to join here by other N Gauge modeller's and we have now't physically to do with A.E.M or G Gibson Models apart from let them use our layout as a test track to try things out before sending them off
Mark
Quote from: mark100 on August 30, 2014, 03:35:50 PM
At the end of the day, he has nothing to do with me or my family or even Andrew, so why drag up old news on something we don't know about? Find something else to spread muck about
I can understand you being a bit 'touchy' about the history but think you went OTT there :hmmm:
It's great to hear you have no association with that guy but you must also realise there are a lot of folks who ran afoul of him (no, I'm not one) so let's be nice to each other, eh?
:thankyousign:
For posting pics, have a look at this tutorial. If I worked it out I'm sure you can as I'm none too good with pooters :-[
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=4300.msg48938#msg48938 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=4300.msg48938#msg48938)
Quote from: newportnobby on August 30, 2014, 03:57:34 PM
Quote from: mark100 on August 30, 2014, 03:35:50 PM
At the end of the day, he has nothing to do with me or my family or even Andrew, so why drag up old news on something we don't know about? Find something else to spread muck about
I can understand you being a bit 'touchy' about the history but think you went OTT there :hmmm:
It's great to hear you have no association with that guy but you must also realise there are a lot of folks who ran afoul of him (no, I'm not one) so let's be nice to each other, eh?
:thankyousign:
I agree and apologize slightly/maybe, but its a shame and annoying when certain individuals with nothing better to do are spreading gossip via the underground stating that Andrew and Gareth are working with him or that he is involved with what they are trying to do, considering its 2 decent OLD :sorrysign: blokes just trying to get something started and working between them and lots of money spent on getting masters repaired, mould's sorted and then looking at getting new items in the pipeline out as a actual product and there are new models that I have been shown or seen parts for. Gareth works all day, comes home and then spends another hour or so helping Andrews business out, because Andrew is sat in a driving seat 12 hours a day and limited on what he can do, even the Grand Children where put on a production line the other weekend packing class 41 kits to post out because it was manic.
Mark
Quote from: newportnobby on August 30, 2014, 04:00:38 PM
For posting pics, have a look at this tutorial. If I worked it out I'm sure you can as I'm none too good with pooters :-[
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=4300.msg48938#msg48938 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=4300.msg48938#msg48938)
Thank you, I have been through their cloud and got what i could, but there are some photos of a class 85 on a dapol chassis which i will get sent to me later.
Just a note to say BHE released the baby deltic last year at TINGS this sold out very quickly it was the Silver Fox version and I think they have other models in the Silver Fox range under development as well as other exiting things I dont think the class 41 is one of them,unfortunatly the molding machine broke recently and it is very old so some of the BHE range is on hold untill it can be repaired .
Bob
Hi everyone I am the newbie on here, I am Gareth and I have painted several kits for A.E.M, I have also seen the masters for the current kits and the original paperwork stating the ownership of the actual masters to the former owner from previous owners before he gave them to to MR A Evans to settle an old debt in 2013.
CopyrightUntil September 12th which is not that far away when I then retire, I am a Solicitor in Criminal/Civil and Human Rights law and I have a little experience with copyright law. So i will square some things up.
Quote from: EtchedPixels on August 26, 2014, 03:49:26 PM
I have one of the original 85's - its a nicely done base but a bugger to find a suitable chassis for and you'll need to build up a lot of the roof detail by hand. I also have some class 82 conversion sides for it that were never released.
Class 85 actually fits the Dapol class 86 chassis, various Minitrix DB locomotive chassis units, I am waiting to hear back on which ones exactly and the Life Like FP40 Chassis unit. The previous owner only sold 2 as RTR because he actually had no confidence with the kit being made available as a unbuilt product, however Andrew has told me that the 2 sold where on Farish Poole/China Class 87 chassis units and a lot of metal had been removed and drive shafts where shortend.
Class 82 etches are in the box that Andrew inherited/was given along with a class 81 and they are due for building up and release.
The warship is almost certainly a clone of the earlier Worsley Works shell, and I imagine the new sellers will be getting ebay nastygrams and takedown notices as soon as Allen Doherty finds out (the only reason he never sued Carl is that Carl was otherwise detained for the public good anyway)
Class 41 Copyright belongs to North British who designed and patented the actual Locomotive design not Worsley Works or A.E.M, There is nothing to stop anyone going out and buying one of Worsley Works or Andrews kits or anyone else's and making duplicates from it, the only flaw is, they will be slightly smaller than the original and the detail would not be so be good.
That also btw means the resin 41 is wrong, one of the body sides is inverted, something that's immediately painfully obvious when you try and fit the nameplates correctly.
Wrong Again = I have actually looked into this, Andrew informs me that the master was incorrect when it first came out many years ago, new body side grill etches where produced for it and the the sides where corrected and the old mould was destroyed and a new one produced. there are photographs of it on eBay and Mark has kindly added photographs of the kit onto this site/forum.
The 25/1 if its the one H/N one I have a set of detailing etches for that were never released. It's not a bad model but watch which loco you pick, there are major differences between 25/1s (hinged grilles, extra bodyside vent). Think I'd wait for the new Farish one personally!
Each to their own
Alan
Just a note to say BHE released the baby deltic last year at TINGS this sold out very quickly it was the Silver Fox version and I think they have other models in the Silver Fox range under development as well as other exiting things I dont think the class 41 is one of them,unfortunatly the molding machine broke recently and it is very old so some of the BHE range is on hold untill it can be repaired .
Bob
Andrew actually has the paperwork from the Silverfox company (and N.T.R for other products) informing CMA that Carl at that time was the new owner of those masters, basically what was the former Silverfox products now belong to Andrew Evans not any other Evans. However as I said earlier there is nothing under copyright law to prevent anyone making duplicates from any product unless the former owner/designer or company who actually patented it makes an issue.
I have sent several OO Gauge model products to a contact in China and have had them reproduced into N via Lithographic 3D Printing, with the intention of releasing them under A.E.M or G G M, however with stories flying around like the current ones, I think I will just give them to Mark, Andrew and Paul and stick to aircraft.
Gareth
Hope this Clarifies things and puts a few tell Fairy tale stories to bed.
Hi Gareth,
Just a bit strong mate, and you must understand people's views given the awful treatment of them by a previous owner. One guy I know on here is still owed over £600 for work paid for and not delivered.
Its a shame really that these creditors didn't do something about it a couple of years back when stories of smashing into chip shop windows in Derby were put around by those who knew no better.
In sure you have providence for the models, however, you can see why, given the known history, the pub things that went on and were reported on in the Scottish press etc, and then this range, which a lot of people are a little angry about ( through no fault of yourself I may add) gets looked on with some derision and negative comment.
I for one thought, "oh oh, here we go again" when I saw the class 41 listing ( not reading closely you understand), as these models have a bad history as being previously attached to a person who perpetrated those crimes.
I wish you well, in this venture, because if it run well, you should all do well out of it.
Cheers
Dave
Quote from: DJM Dave on August 30, 2014, 08:15:44 PM
Hi Gareth,
Just a bit strong mate, and you must understand people's views given the awful treatment of them by a previous owner. One guy I know on here is still owed over £600 for work paid for and not delivered.
Its a shame really that these creditors didn't do something about it a couple of years back when stories of smashing into chip shop windows in Derby were put around by those who knew no better.
In sure you have providence for the models, however, you can see why, given the known history, the pub things that went on and were reported on in the Scottish press etc, and then this range, which a lot of people are a little angry about ( through no fault of yourself I may add) gets looked on with some derision and negative comment.
I for one thought, "oh oh, here we go again" when I saw the class 41 listing ( not reading closely you understand), as these models have a bad history as being previously attached to a person who perpetrated those crimes.
I wish you well, in this venture, because if it run well, you should all do well out of it.
Cheers
Dave
Hi Dave
I do see where you are coming from and I believe individuals where owed money for items not received and what he is planning to do about it is up to him and them to sort out, but he has nothing to do with myself or Andrew Evans. Owing to my current position there are things I can say and things I cannot, but Andrew has received these kits in good faith and its not fair for people to pick faults with them, when in fact they are all OK and for these rumors to reflect on what Andrew is trying to do. He was prepared for the odd question but not have individuals saying body sides are the wrong way round, or they need loads of filling when in fact they don't. Apparently they where OK when the former seller was retailing them, we have read all the postings about them prior to them being released under A.E.M.
Gareth
Hi mods,
Sorry if you think this might be going a bit far, but I only think with this much mud, things should be clear now allowing the guys to proceed with their business having cleared everything up beforehand.
Not a nice subject I know, but these guys don't deserve sticking mud, but a clean run at this.
Cheers
Dave
Quote from: garethGG on August 30, 2014, 07:41:18 PM
Hi everyone I am the newbie on here, I am Gareth and I have painted several kits for A.E.M, I have also seen the masters for the current kits and the original paperwork stating the ownership of the actual masters to the former owner from previous owners before he gave them to to MR A Evans to settle an old debt in 2013.
Copyright
Until September 12th which is not that far away when I then retire, I am a Solicitor in Criminal/Civil and Human Rights law and I have a little experience with copyright law. So i will square some things up.
Quote from: EtchedPixels on August 26, 2014, 03:49:26 PM
I have one of the original 85's - its a nicely done base but a bugger to find a suitable chassis for and you'll need to build up a lot of the roof detail by hand. I also have some class 82 conversion sides for it that were never released.
Class 85 actually fits the Dapol class 86 chassis, various Minitrix DB locomotive chassis units, I am waiting to hear back on which ones exactly and the Life Like FP40 Chassis unit. The previous owner only sold 2 as RTR because he actually had no confidence with the kit being made available as a unbuilt product, however Andrew has told me that the 2 sold where on Farish Poole/China Class 87 chassis units and a lot of metal had been removed and drive shafts where shortend.
Class 82 etches are in the box that Andrew inherited/was given along with a class 81 and they are due for building up and release.
The warship is almost certainly a clone of the earlier Worsley Works shell, and I imagine the new sellers will be getting ebay nastygrams and takedown notices as soon as Allen Doherty finds out (the only reason he never sued Carl is that Carl was otherwise detained for the public good anyway)
Class 41 Copyright belongs to North British who designed and patented the actual Locomotive design not Worsley Works or A.E.M, There is nothing to stop anyone going out and buying one of Worsley Works or Andrews kits or anyone else's and making duplicates from it, the only flaw is, they will be slightly smaller than the original and the detail would not be so be good.
That also btw means the resin 41 is wrong, one of the body sides is inverted, something that's immediately painfully obvious when you try and fit the nameplates correctly.
Wrong Again = I have actually looked into this, Andrew informs me that the master was incorrect when it first came out many years ago, new body side grill etches where produced for it and the the sides where corrected and the old mould was destroyed and a new one produced. there are photographs of it on eBay and Mark has kindly added photographs of the kit onto this site/forum.
The 25/1 if its the one H/N one I have a set of detailing etches for that were never released. It's not a bad model but watch which loco you pick, there are major differences between 25/1s (hinged grilles, extra bodyside vent). Think I'd wait for the new Farish one personally!
Each to their own
Alan
Just a note to say BHE released the baby deltic last year at TINGS this sold out very quickly it was the Silver Fox version and I think they have other models in the Silver Fox range under development as well as other exiting things I dont think the class 41 is one of them,unfortunatly the molding machine broke recently and it is very old so some of the BHE range is on hold untill it can be repaired .
Bob
Andrew actually has the paperwork from the Silverfox company (and N.T.R for other products) informing CMA that Carl at that time was the new owner of those masters, basically what was the former Silverfox products now belong to Andrew Evans not any other Evans. However as I said earlier there is nothing under copyright law to prevent anyone making duplicates from any product unless the former owner/designer or company who actually patented it makes an issue.
I have sent several OO Gauge model products to a contact in China and have had them reproduced into N via Lithographic 3D Printing, with the intention of releasing them under A.E.M or G G M, however with stories flying around like the current ones, I think I will just give them to Mark, Andrew and Paul and stick to aircraft.
Gareth
Hope this Clarifies things and puts a few tell Fairy tale stories to bed.
Hi
So if I go out an cast a replica of let's say a farish body shell and then start selling it I am not breaking any laws. I have a feeling that Bachmann might have something to say about this regarding intellectual property. Same applies to Worsley Works, etc.
Cheers
Paul
Hi Paul,
I must admit I thought that, but apparently not, as Gareth mentioned.
Cheers
Dave
Crikey, I'm beginning to wish I hadn't started this thread. Saw some cool models, thought I'd share. Had no idea there was all this history to them! :dunce:
Cheers, NeMo
Gareth
Regardless of whether it is legal to build up someone else's work and cast it (and I'm far from convinced it is legal), it certainly is not moral. You are depriving of the original manufacturer of income.
As to you disputing the quality of some of the mouldings - well if you or Andrew want photos of the 85 I bought recently you are welcome, they are not awful (I've seen much worse) but they are from perfect and will require a fair bit of tidying up filing and filling.
Cheers, Mike
And if he wasn't on a jolly, he'd be on Stapleforth at Woking that weekend!
Pete @ EGLML
Quote from: NeMo on August 30, 2014, 09:59:19 PM
Crikey, I'm beginning to wish I hadn't started this thread. Saw some cool models, thought I'd share. Had no idea there was all this history to them! :dunce:
Cheers, NeMo
I don't think the model kits can be blamed for what happend, they did'nt end up in the slammer, however i was asked to join by Gareth among'st other people to get ideas and told that he did'nt have the time for Forums, "Quote" I'm too busy for these chatty things, only to find he is conducting points of law on here. We are taking the bikes out later for a spin and I will hint from a safe distance, that it is a N Gauge forum and not Chambers.
Mark
Quote from: Pete @ EGLM on August 31, 2014, 12:46:15 AM
And if he wasn't on a jolly, he'd be on Stapleforth at Woking that weekend!
Pete @ EGLML
Hi Pete,
Jolly...what jolly???
Later
Stu from EGDL.
Hi Gang,
I read with interest the various bits of 'mudslinging' that has gone on from both sides of the fence over the last few days. I have an interest in this as I have bought a Class 85 body to play with.....and like Mike says, it needs a modicum of work to make it acceptable.
I know that the previous custodian of these kits was less than fair about the provenance of the products and although AEM now 'owns' these products as a form of compensation, I think that the modelling community has moved on and the products now on sale do not unduly harm any of the previous (original) vendors.
I, for one, am happy to play with the casting I have in order to produce a more authentic looking model....and it will hopefully see the light of day this side of eternity.....
I was also going to report a particularly vindictive post to the Moderators, but on looking back through the thread, it now seems to have been removed, either by the Mods or the Author.....
Later,
Stu from EGDL.
What a furore over a little piece of plastic.....
Quote from: StufromEGDL on August 31, 2014, 10:05:18 AM
I was also going to report a particularly vindictive post to the Moderators, but on looking back through the thread, it now seems to have been removed, either by the Mods or the Author.....
Later,
Stu from EGDL.
I think that it was removed because the individual who it was concerning dialed the 9's because it was very malicious and could have put him at risk of vigil anti attack.
Class 85, I have only seen 2 in the flesh/resin??? and both look alright to me, 1 is in the white and blue and the other is the same with small yellow ends, i think 1 is going to be powered and the other put on a dummy chassis and sold off as a pair by Andrew, I have not seen any in the blue and yellow front end livery yet.
Jollies!!!! i'm just about to have my dinner, then 20 off us are taking our Choppers (2 wheeled type,not class 20 or anything rude) up to the Heights of Abraham on a afternoon jolly. Beep Beep!
Mark
I'm really glad to see the models back but if the 41 is cast off a Worsley kit... and it contains the same facepalm grade errrors.. then I would be a bit less cavalier.
A railway model is accordingl to my legal advice covered by copyright law as a sculpture, so resin casting them without permission is a matter of copyright law and knowingly doing so commercially in the UK is a criminal matter.
Worsley were preparing to sue Mr Peplow so you might want to have a talk with Allen Doherty about royalties. I think you'll find him accomodating.
I somewhere still have the conversion sides done to help produce a class 82 master from the 85. If you want to do the 82 drop me a note and when the sheet it is on is re-run 'll send you a set. They were done to enable the 82 to be done in resin from the 85 so it would be nice to see it happen
Alan
Quote from: EtchedPixels on September 01, 2014, 10:54:17 AM
I'm really glad to see the models back but if the 41 is cast off a Worsley kit... and it contains the same facepalm grade errrors.. then I would be a bit less cavalier.
A railway model is accordingl to my legal advice covered by copyright law as a sculpture, so resin casting them without permission is a matter of copyright law and knowingly doing so commercially in the UK is a criminal matter.
Worsley were preparing to sue Mr Peplow so you might want to have a talk with Allen Doherty about royalties. I think you'll find him accomodating.
I somewhere still have the conversion sides done to help produce a class 82 master from the 85. If you want to do the 82 drop me a note and when the sheet it is on is re-run 'll send you a set. They were done to enable the 82 to be done in resin from the 85 so it would be nice to see it happen
Alan
Hi Alan
Myself and Gareth both spoke to Andrew yesterday and got the story concerning the class 41 locomotive, The drawings came from a book that Andrew now has called British Rail Main line diesels and it has 4mm drawings in it, Apparently Carl gave W-Works the book to use and to produce some of the kits he has. A class 41 was later produced in resin and Carl spotted flaws with it when he went to apply name plates and scrapped everything and started again using the same book and a different etching company who produced the master that now belongs to A.E.M, Andrew states that the body side detail is correct on both sides of his master and everything is where it should be and also the grills are not recessed like they are on W Works kits but they stick out as per the original locomotive.
If any proceedings are going to take place, its going to be over a posting that was removed from this thread the other night and Gareth was looking forward to his retirement. :sorrysign: the printer nearly caught fire when he read that! :laugh:
I can confirm that Andrew has found class 82 sides but there are 2 types and a decision needs to be made on which type to do, the option is for them to 3D print locos from now and copy a design with a 121 unit they have, where it has its own base chassis frame and parts from another chassis unit are used, that way everything can be accurate and no more discussions on what chassis units can be used and where they can be obtained.
The Gibson family own a Stone Masonry and some crates have arrived with various 3D printing equipment in them, but they have been fork lifted out of everyone's way until Richard arrives back from his holidays and can assemble and train everyone on them, if kits need wheels and other bits then I am sure a 3D design can be created to produce wheels and other metal parts as long as Gareth and Andrew pay for the materials they are using and do not steel from us.
I will text Andrew and get him to read your posting when he is at his next bus stop and if he needs anything then he can contact you. Thank you for being helpful :thankyousign:
Mark