Hi all,
Sorry, but not much work has been done on "Windmill Hill" as the flu bug has bitten again :cold: :( :cold: and I have not really felt like doing anything much.
However it has given me time to think about my next projects :thumbsup:
Next up I will be making another case layout with a Quayside / Harbour theme, and as I mentioned in an earlier thread about the Dapol Flying Scotsman, while building that, I will be starting to accumulate locos and coaches for a larger layout.
Thank you for your help, and as a result, rather than go for a mix of Steam and diesel, I have decided to stick to steam only, and base the area vaguely west, as that is where I live, and I do like chocolate and cream coaches. :D
This area and era will dictate the type of industry / agriculture, and so the type of goods wagons, but I am not worried about that at the moment.
I realise that I cannot run all sorts of liveries of locos together, but I would like to run different types of coaches, so suppose I set the time as 1956 - 1957 ish, could I run.... for example ..... these trains together ?
I got the info regarding the eras from the descriptions from Hattons.
1.
"Tiverton Castle" in BR green early crest with BR crimson and cream coaches
http://www.hattons.co.uk/61121/Graham_Farish_372_031_Class_4073_Castle_4_6_0_5041_Tiverton_Castle_in_BR_green_with_early_emblem/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.hattons.co.uk/61121/Graham_Farish_372_031_Class_4073_Castle_4_6_0_5041_Tiverton_Castle_in_BR_green_with_early_emblem/StockDetail.aspx)
http://www.hattons.co.uk/204331/Dapol_2P_000_133_Collett_second_corridor_W1083_in_BR_crimson_and_cream/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.hattons.co.uk/204331/Dapol_2P_000_133_Collett_second_corridor_W1083_in_BR_crimson_and_cream/StockDetail.aspx)
2.
ivatt 2MT in BR black late crest with BR maroon coaches
http://www.hattons.co.uk/182037/Graham_Farish_372_628_Class_2MT_Ivatt_2_6_0_46443_in_BR_lined_black_with_late_crest/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.hattons.co.uk/182037/Graham_Farish_372_628_Class_2MT_Ivatt_2_6_0_46443_in_BR_lined_black_with_late_crest/StockDetail.aspx)
http://www.hattons.co.uk/107743/Graham_Farish_374_053G_BR_Mk1_SK_Second_Corridor_E24945_in_BR_Maroon/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.hattons.co.uk/107743/Graham_Farish_374_053G_BR_Mk1_SK_Second_Corridor_E24945_in_BR_Maroon/StockDetail.aspx)
3.
Jinty in BR black late crest, with perhaps just 2 chocolate and cream coaches on a branch line.
http://www.hattons.co.uk/82806/Graham_Farish_372_212A_Class_3F_Jinty_0_6_0T_47500_in_BR_black_with_late_crest/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.hattons.co.uk/82806/Graham_Farish_372_212A_Class_3F_Jinty_0_6_0T_47500_in_BR_black_with_late_crest/StockDetail.aspx)
http://www.hattons.co.uk/344068/Graham_Farish_374_014_PO_Mk1_SO_second_open_in_chocolate_cream_Pre_owned_Like_new/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.hattons.co.uk/344068/Graham_Farish_374_014_PO_Mk1_SO_second_open_in_chocolate_cream_Pre_owned_Like_new/StockDetail.aspx)
I realise that I should be able to run what I want, and would like to be fairly accurate, but surely there must be an overlap when early and late crest ran together :hmmm:
Thanks in advance, and I will get back to finishing "Windmill hill " soon :D :D
All best wishes
Kevin
:beers: :cold: :beers:
It would be unusual for a Jinty(ex LMS) to be pulling chocolate and cream(Western region) coaches. I don't think that the Hattons has described the item on the page attached either , http://www.hattons.co.uk/344068/Graham_Farish_374_014_PO_Mk1_SO_second_open_in_chocolate_cream_Pre_owned_Like_new/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.hattons.co.uk/344068/Graham_Farish_374_014_PO_Mk1_SO_second_open_in_chocolate_cream_Pre_owned_Like_new/StockDetail.aspx)
It appears to be some type of suburban brake in Great Western livery
Thank you for that reply.
I am finding it a bit of a puzzle trying to make sense of it all so do appreciate any help. :confused1:
The jinty and the coach were both described as BR era 5 so I assumed they would go together :-[
If I got the Jinty and in BR black would I be better using it for goods wagons then ?
Also, am I OK with having BR early and late crest running alongside each other ?
Once again many thanks for your help :thumbsup:
All best wishes
Kevin
:beers:
Jintys were most usually found on freight and shunting duties although could also be seen with surburban passenger stock.
:thankyousign:
Fab ...... I have heard good things about the Jinty, and it seems an ideal loco to have on a not too huge layout.
I will pre order one to use as you suggest for freight and shunting :thumbsup:
Many thanks
PS Hope you are a bit warmer than we are !
Cheers
:beers:
If you wish to go passenger maroon suburban stock would fit better , just a question of what part of the country they come from.
Yes, the Jinty has always been a favourite loco of mine ever since I was a kid! Stangely enough, I don't have one in my stud, but the latest version from Farish looks superb. Heaps of detail and character.
I have an old Farish GP tank purchased around about 1988 which was the nearest thing you could get to a Jinty at that time!
Hope you are not too cold over there.... great railway modelling weather, methinks!
Yes we are a bit warmer here, although today it is a very pleasant 21 degrees - so much nicer than the awful 40+ we usually get at this time of year! :beers:
Will deffo get one then..... Any thoughts on either of these ?
http://www.hattons.co.uk/58868/Dapol_2S_010_002_Class_49xx_4_6_0_4914_Cranmore_Hall_in_BR_lined_green_with_late_crest/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.hattons.co.uk/58868/Dapol_2S_010_002_Class_49xx_4_6_0_4914_Cranmore_Hall_in_BR_lined_green_with_late_crest/StockDetail.aspx)
http://www.hattons.co.uk/61121/Graham_Farish_372_031_Class_4073_Castle_4_6_0_5041_Tiverton_Castle_in_BR_green_with_early_emblem/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.hattons.co.uk/61121/Graham_Farish_372_031_Class_4073_Castle_4_6_0_5041_Tiverton_Castle_in_BR_green_with_early_emblem/StockDetail.aspx)
The area I am looking at is vaguely west
Flippin' freezing here ..... Glad I model in a warm spare room, I don't envy the guys I sheds at all !
All kind regards
Kevin
Yes, cold in Sydney today too - only around 25C, but it is autumn, I suppose. ;)
During early crest era (up to 1956), basically all corridor coaches were blood and custard, while non-corridor stock was crimson. From 1956, the revised colour schemes came into effect, but the previous colours tended to linger. I model 1960, and feel I can have 10-15% blood and custard. From 1956 "out west" all coaches were repainted in maroon. The only exceptions were on the Southern region, where they reverted to green coaches, and the Western region who chose to re-introduce chocolate and cream, but only on principal expresses. Most trains were maroon. Thus two problems with the Jinty with choc & cream; it isn't a western region loco (nor is the Ivatt), and even if it was, a local train would have maroon coaches, or possibly some crimson non-corridor stock. Farish non-corridors are available in both maroon and crimson. The colours are quite similar, but clearly very different when posed next to each other. The Ivatt would be more suitable for a local passenger train. Hope that helps.
Kind regards, Stuart
Quote from: Phoenix on March 02, 2018, 01:48:07 AM
:thankyousign:
Fab ...... I have heard good things about the Jinty, and it seems an ideal loco to have on a not too huge layout.
I will pre order one to use as you suggest for freight and shunting :thumbsup:
Many thanks
PS Hope you are a bit warmer than we are !
Cheers
:beers:
As has already been hinted at, the Jinty is not something you would find out 'west'. It really depends how far out 'west' you are thinking, but a Jinty would not be my first choice as it is not generally a loco associated with the west except on the Somerset and Dorset railway.
You would be much better off getting an 0-6-0PT Pannier tank which was widely distributed across the Western Region and worked both local passenger services and freight. Both Farish and Dapol produce variants of the type.
You might have to look around a bit to get a late crest one at the moment though - this one is DCC http://www.hattons.co.uk/197008/Dapol_2S_007_017D_Class_57xx_Pannier_0_6_0PT_6760_in_BR_black_with_early_crest_and_later_cab_DCC_/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.hattons.co.uk/197008/Dapol_2S_007_017D_Class_57xx_Pannier_0_6_0PT_6760_in_BR_black_with_early_crest_and_later_cab_DCC_/StockDetail.aspx)
Actually the Ivatt 2MT would have been an even rarer sight than a Jinty in the SW.
The Hall is a good choice but another mixed traffic loco such as a Grange or Manor would be more versatile than a Castle.
As an additional factor, Mk1 coaches progressively replaced pre-grouping stock after nationalisation. By the mid-late 50s the named expresses would be almost exclusively Mk1s whilst lesser formations could still be partly or mostly old stock (eg Collett or Hawksworths).
Hey Kevin.... see what a wealth of information we have here at the Antipodes! :thumbsup:
Quote from: longbow on March 02, 2018, 05:05:49 AM
The Hall is a good choice but another mixed traffic loco such as a Grange or Manor would be more versatile than a Castle.
Another (cautious) vote for something like a Manor over the Hall. Remember, the Hall was essentially the GWR template for the LMS Black 5, and in the same way that the Black 5 was a mainline rather than branchline engine, the Hall wouldn't be seen particularly often on branchlines. Of course if you're modelling a mainline station or at least a secondary line, the Hall would be fine, and it would be handling the same sort of things as the Black 5, namely moderately heavy freight trains and second-tier expresses passenger trains, as well as parcels traffic, milk trains, and so on.
What it wouldn't be doing is tootling down a single track line towards a seaside town like Minehead, whereas that's exactly the sort of thing a Manor would do! Indeed, last summer I sent some time talking with an engineer at the West Somerset and he was commenting on how useful the Manors are to them, handling long trains well without hammering the track or requiring especially careful driving. They've got 3 of the beasts, albeit not all in working order at the moment.
My 'cautiousness' about recommending the Manor is that while the Dapol model is excellent in many ways, with a good level of detailing, it does have the somewhat noisy arrangement of the motor in the tender with a cardan shaft through the cab driving the wheels under the loco. Frankly, while perfectly useable, this isn't as nice as the system Farish use with the motor in the loco itself.
Depending on which part of the West Country you're planning on, ex-LMS, ex-SR, and ex-GWR might all be appropriate. Some BR standards did work that part of the country too, perhaps most famously the 9Fs that saw a good deal of use on the S&DJR for example. Dapol do a nice model of the 9F, though again, it does use the somewhat noisy tender drive. The Farish Standard Class 3MT was another important class for the Western Region during the 50s and 60s.
Jintys were common on the S&DJR but nowhere else in the West Country, and likewise some of the ex-MR and ex-LMS 0-6-0 tender engines including the 4F beautifully modelled by Farish. I don't know much about the 'withered arm' of the Southern Region in Dorset, Devon and Cornwall, but certainly things like the Dapol M7 and potentially the upcoming (?) Dapol Battle-of-Britain might be used without problems.
Quote from: longbow on March 02, 2018, 05:05:49 AM
As an additional factor, Mk1 coaches progressively replaced pre-grouping stock after nationalisation. By the mid-late 50s the named expresses would be almost exclusively Mk1s whilst lesser formations could still be partly or mostly old stock (eg Collett or Hawksworths).
Absolutely right, although the Collett coaches were still used on secondary and branchlines for things like commuter trains and local passenger trains, well into the green diesel era. So if you were modelling, say, around 1958, with the diesels
sans yellow warning panel, sticking three or four maroon Collett coaches would not be wrong. The Collett full brake or composite brake would be equally useful on a milk train or parcels train.
Cheers, NeMo
Kevin,
If you want to be super picky about your coaches such that they have 'W' prefix running numbers I suggest you use the attached Farish list to identify which Farish reference you need to be shopping for.
Dapol do a very nice maroon 'B' set pair of coaches which would look good behind a pannier tank or 2-6-2 tank
I agree a Jinty is not really the thing for the WR and that one or more panniers would be better.
Quote from: Phoenix on March 02, 2018, 12:25:17 AM
Next up I will be making another case layout with a Quayside / Harbour theme, and as I mentioned in an earlier thread about the Dapol Flying Scotsman, while building that, I will be starting to accumulate locos and coaches for a larger layout.
Thank you for your help, and as a result, rather than go for a mix of Steam and diesel, I have decided to stick to steam only, and base the area vaguely west, as that is where I live, and I do like chocolate and cream coaches. :D
This area and era will dictate the type of industry / agriculture, and so the type of goods wagons, but I am not worried about that at the moment.
I realise that I cannot run all sorts of liveries of locos together, but I would like to run different types of coaches, so suppose I set the time as 1956 - 1957 ish, could I run.... for example ..... these trains together ?
Hello Kevin
Windmill Hill is a marvellous layout and I look forward to your next project. If we take the BR(W) chocolate and cream carriages that were used for the principal expresses as the first critical point and your desire to have a wider range of available steam locomotives as the second, whilst sticking to some kind of quayside/harbour then I have an idea...
I know that you are in Dorset. Can you accept Somerset as 'vaguely west'?
If so how about a layout based on Highbridge or Bridgwater? The ex-GWR main line crossed S&D branch lines at both places (on the level at Highbridge). The S&D gives potential for Derby locomotives like the '3F' 0-6-0T and '3F' and '4F' 0-6-0 tender engines. 'Collett Goods' 0-6-0s were used on the Highbridge branch in later years as well. It looks like the trade could be very helpful!
If you have a quick look on the internet you'll find some splendid old photographs of Highbridge and Bridgwater docks/harbour/wharf/quay.
If this idea is of interest, there is a wonderful film of the Highbridge branch with Sir John Betjeman. Probably about 1964 or thereabouts. I'll find the reference if you want.
With all best wishes.
John
Chocolate and cream was not common in the late 50s. All the former GWR coaching stock had been repainted by that point and would have been either all-over crimson (suburban stock), crimson and cream (corridor stock) or Maroon (both types from 1957 onwards).
Chocolate and cream did make a comeback around this time on Mk1 coaches and the Western Region used such coaches for their principle expresses. A rake of these would look fine behind your Castle for example and are available RTR from Farish. Here is how they looked.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7781/26941048861_ca0d074fea_h.jpg)
Quote from: longbow on March 02, 2018, 05:05:49 AM
Actually the Ivatt 2MT would have been an even rarer sight than a Jinty in the SW.
Not entirely true. The final batch of Ivatt 2MTs 2-6-0s were actually built at Swindon after nationalisation and were used to replace the last of the elderly Dean Goods on light freight duties. Some were even painted green by the WR after 1956.
However for something more classically western, I agree that a Pannier would probably be better.
Hi Kevn
I do hope you are over the worst of the flu and that the weather isn't too bad.
We had , very unusually, a fair dollop of snow on Wednesday and Thursday but now it's thawing and quite windy.
I can't add a lot to what others have said.
If you sre going for a Jinty and want to stay West then the S&D is a good bet. Jinty's were certainly common on the Northern section (Bath GP down to Evercreech/ Temlecombe but not on passenger stock.
Indeed that line (or area) saw a very wide variety of locos in Jinty, MR 8Fs and Black 5s, SR WC and BB pacifics (rebuilt and originals), 9Fs and other standards, ex GW panniers and 22xx. The 22xx is available from Union Mills.
If you went further afield (say into N Cornwall) then a wide variety of ex SR and WR and standard locos were used.
If staying closer to home (near you), how about the Swanage Branch using SR M7s, Ns, light pacifics etc plus rh3 Ivatt 2-6-2 tanks plus various smaller standard designs. Passenger stock on the Swanage branch would be largely SR green or BR maroon.
Unfortunately, as others have said, the ex GW chocolate and cream stock was rare in the late 50s but was reinstated (late 50s into the 60s) on WR prestige trains which would suit a Castle or Hall.
The quintessential GWR train of the pre 50s era ie a green prarie tank with two chocolate and cream coaches was largely a thing of the past by 1950. They did look good though.
I'll stop rambling on now.
Martin
The Swindon-built 2MTs were based mostly in North Wales with just a handful based in Bristol, so they would have been rare birds in the South West.
:hellosign: :thankyousign:
Hi there,
Thank you so much for all your replies .... It is starting now to make a bit more sense to me, and I think I can start to get some ideas together.
I think the area will be Somerset and Dorset (I live in Dorset :thumbsup: ) ,the era will be late 50's, and the track will go round and round, but with something inside for shunting, which I know nothing about, but am sure I will want to try.
I won't have a fiddle yard, as I am sure I will have shuffled off long before I will have enough stock to fill one ;) Also, what I do get, I want to be seen in yards or sidings, not hidden behind a lump of hardboard
I have a Gaugemaster 4 track controller, so my initial thoughts will be DC, with an outer loop for bigger express trains, inside that a double loop with station, and inside that, something for shunting.
The longest passenger train I would run would be 4, possibly 5 coaches, depending how long the station will be as the layout will not be enormously long. Also I don't want a train entering a tunnel at the right end before it has fully emerged from the tunnel on the left :D
I think the main points are .....
1. BR late crest would be the main locos, and Graham Farish run better than Dapol generally. I think my next buy will be this
https://railsofsheffield.com/products/22436/graham-farish-372-032-n-gauge-castle-class-5070-sir-daniel-gooch-br-lined-green-late-crest (https://railsofsheffield.com/products/22436/graham-farish-372-032-n-gauge-castle-class-5070-sir-daniel-gooch-br-lined-green-late-crest)
2. The Jinty would be OK on Somerset and Dorset, but a Pannier would be better.
The reason I was attracted to the Jinty over a Dapol 57xx is that I have had to return 3 Dapol 57xx so am not in favour of them at all, although they do look fab.
I have a Farish 64xx in GWR green, pulling a chocolate and cream autocoach round "Windmill Hill" and it runs really well. Perhaps I should wait for the Farish BR one.
http://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/1000398/1000589/1000640/1446726/Graham_Farish_N_Gauge_Steam_locos_UK_rail_era_5_BR_steam_Late_Crest_1957_1966_1957_1966/prodlist.aspx (http://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/1000398/1000589/1000640/1446726/Graham_Farish_N_Gauge_Steam_locos_UK_rail_era_5_BR_steam_Late_Crest_1957_1966_1957_1966/prodlist.aspx)
4. Chocolate and cream would only be used on express trains (on the outer loop) and would be OK behind a Castle. (Thank you Karhedron .... also thanks for your comment on the Ivatt, as I have already bought one, It arrived about an hour ago :D )
5. Maroon would be for suburban services on shorter trains. They would be Mk 1
6. Crimson and cream would be corridor coaches, on more mainline trains.
Thank you all for your help, and thank you John for your kind words on "Windmill Hill", and your ideas on Highbridge and Bridgewater. I know Bridgewater a bit, and will certainly look for info on your suggestions.
All best Wishes,
Wrap up warm !
Kevin
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@Phoenix (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5755)
Showing 2 in stock here......
https://www.themodelcentre.com/371-987 (https://www.themodelcentre.com/371-987)
(Oh, I do so love trying to spend other people's money ;D)
Ha !
Thanks for that Mick ..... I think :D I get a heap of cash on Monday, so keep your suggestions coming !!
If I get that, I need something for it to pull next. Goods wagons would be Ok, but I am avoiding them for the moment, as I don't know what industry I will be having.
Would this work ?
https://railsofsheffield.com/products/30271/dapol-2p-004-008-n-gauge-autocoach-br-crimson-cream-w194w
Many thanks
:thumbsup:
Just to add to your confusion. The Chocolate and Cream, Western Region coach sets did not stay together for very long. By the early 1960s I think the sets had been disbanded and the Chocolate and Cream coaches mixed with normal Maroon stock. There were still a few Crimson and Cream Mk1 coaches around and it was possible to see (I have period photographs) a Castle pulling a train with all three coach liveries represented, although Maroon was the dominant colour.
The good news is that if you struggle to find all the coaches you want in matching liveries you can legitimately mix and match to a certain extent. You can also mix Hawksworth and Collett coaches with BR Mk1s as they were used together. Just remember that on the real thing the ex-GW design coaches would have been marshalled together as far as possible to minimise the number of gangway adaptors required to connect to the Mk1 coaches.
Quote from: Phoenix on March 02, 2018, 01:30:27 PM
Ha !
Thanks for that Mick ..... I think :D I get a heap of cash on Monday, so keep your suggestions coming !!
If I get that, I need something for it to pull next. Goods wagons would be Ok, but I am avoiding them for the moment, as I don't know what industry I will be having.
Would this work ?
https://railsofsheffield.com/products/30271/dapol-2p-004-008-n-gauge-autocoach-br-crimson-cream-w194w
Many thanks
:thumbsup:
Yes, ideally with a 64xx pannier or a 14xx 0-4-2T.
Thanks Martin,
Just to add to the confusion, I have just seen this, era 5, BR Maroon autocoach, which may be better with the late crest 64xx :confused2:
Many thanks as well for your reply earlier, which has given me lots of ideas :thumbsup:
All best wishes
Kevin
You don't need to be too slavish with what crest the smaller locos are, some locos survived well into the 60s with the small crest.
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/131735-early-crests-in-the-60s/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/131735-early-crests-in-the-60s/)
Read post #3 about the pannier tank in GWR into the 1960s!!
Quote from: Phoenix on March 02, 2018, 02:16:07 PM
Thanks Martin,
Just to add to the confusion, I have just seen this, era 5, BR Maroon autocoach, which may be better with the late crest 64xx :confused2:
Many thanks as well for your reply earlier, which has given me lots of ideas :thumbsup:
All best wishes
Kevin
the Farish autocoach 374-611 in maroon would be ideal as it has the running number W228W :) :)
Quote from: Phoenix on March 02, 2018, 01:30:27 PM
Would this work ?
https://railsofsheffield.com/products/30271/dapol-2p-004-008-n-gauge-autocoach-br-crimson-cream-w194w
Crimson and cream on Autocoaches was a fairly short-lived occurrence. As suburban stock, they should have been painted plain crimson. The WR were ordered to cease and desist around 1952, after which the autocoaches were turned out in plain crimson, and then maroon.
If you are looking for an autocoach to go with a late-crest loco, the Farish maroon one is probably best as this style of autocoach lasted longer in service than the Dapol ones.
Farish 64xx with Dapol maroon autocoach:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-020318163522.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62508)
As well as being more accurate era wise, I think the maroon livery rather suits these carriages.
:NGaugersRule:
Thanks guys, the fog is starting to clear !!!
Cheers John. I like rakes of coaches to be the same livery, but it is nice to know that I could if need be have an odd one or two in the mix
And thanks Dan for the info, and the link re crests. It seems as others have said, the big posh locos would have been kept up to date, but it would not be unusual for a little old loco used for shunting to have its old crest, and on a realistic layout, to be pretty heavily weathered
Also, I have now got my shopping list for Monday.
This BR green 64xx (Thanks for the great photo Martin)
https://www.themodelcentre.com/371-987 (https://www.themodelcentre.com/371-987)
This autocoach
http://www.petersspares.com/graham-farish-374611-br-auto-trailer-br-maroon-n-gauge.ir (http://www.petersspares.com/graham-farish-374611-br-auto-trailer-br-maroon-n-gauge.ir)
I thought the crimson/cream one would have possibly done, but the maroon would be better as you all said, and then I found this one
Last buy will be this BR green Castle "Sir Daniel Gooch"
https://railsofsheffield.com/products/22436/graham-farish-372-032-n-gauge-castle-class-5070-sir-daniel-gooch-br-lined-green-late-crest (https://railsofsheffield.com/products/22436/graham-farish-372-032-n-gauge-castle-class-5070-sir-daniel-gooch-br-lined-green-late-crest)
Who needs food and heating :worried: :'( :worried:
Next month it will be a set of two maroon mk 1 coaches for the Ivatt 2MT which arrived today, I have been playing with, and is AWSOME !
I have seen a set somewhere, by someone, and must try to track them down.
Also I must get a rake of chocolate/cream coaches for my express Castle (Thank you for the picture Kahedron :) ) or maybe crimson/cream
Wishing you all the very best
Kevin
I'll have to dig out the photo of the western region 2mt with one or two carriages behind it for you. Think it's in a magazine but might be in a book.
For an authentic rake of Mk1 coaches in chocolate and cream (or indeed in any livery with WR running numbers) you will need to buy second hand as most of them are out of production.
Cheers, many thanks for that, it would save me a lot of searching :thumbsup:
Looking at some new prices, I think that would be the way I would have to go, as I am starting as a newcomer with nothing :worried:
I don't want to buy second hand locos, as I think that may be a bit risky and false economy, but for rolling stock, I will be any second hand sellers new best friend :D :D
All best wishes from a snow bound England :cold:
Kevin
Hi Kevin,
I have filtered my rolling stock spreadsheet to show what 'W' prefix coaches I have as this may help you in tracking reference numbers down. See attached.
I'm a bit late to the party with this thread Kevin and most of what I was going to say has already been said. So I'll say good luck with the new project which I am really looking forward to seeing develop and leave it at that. :beers:
Cheers John, and thank you for all your encouragement with "Windmill Hill" :D
The big layout is a very long way off yet, but I want to slowly start collecting stock, so I will have something to run when I do get there.
While I am planning that, the next build will be a dock/harbour scene, in a case the same size as "Windmill Hill" which I hope you will enjoy following along with.
With all best wishes
Kevin
:beers:
Here's a good offer to get you started in chocolate and cream - no boxes and the Diner is not a Blue Riband version but a keen price from a reputable retailer.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3-ASSORTED-N-GRAHAM-FARISH-BR-CHOCOLATE-CREAM-MK1-COACHES-7F/162891331998?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649 (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3-ASSORTED-N-GRAHAM-FARISH-BR-CHOCOLATE-CREAM-MK1-COACHES-7F/162891331998?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649)
Looking forward to the harbour layout! If it's anything like Windmill Hill it'll be a cracker! :thumbsup: