Hi,
New models for us in N:
QuoteRaven Q6 0-8-0 steam locomotive, Hudswell Clarke 24t 0-6-0ST locomotive, Class 59 diesel locomotive, GWR Churchward 63xx 2-6-0 mogul locomotive
http://djmodelsltd.co.uk/ (http://djmodelsltd.co.uk/)
There's a link there to an other forum where there's a bit of a feeding-frenzy underway ;)
Corresponding models announced in that rather bizarre OO thingy, including a Kickstarter Class 71, which would be nice if scaled to our needs.
Note the ARC Class 59 is Village of Mells, which Dapol changed theirs to a while back - oh dearie me :doh:
Regards, Gerry 8)
Interesting and controversial announcements. The Hudswell Clarke is an excellent choice of prototype and bound to do well - especially with the J94 under development. Industrial steam - in both N and 00 is an obvious gap and a furtile ground for new products.
The 59 is a bold move in N, given Dapol have theirs in the pipeline. Calculated risk from DJM, which could be a master-stroke if delivered in the near future (i.e. before Dapol) and is all that is promises to be. Any delays, or if Dapol decide to pull their release forwards to beat DJM, then it could be a disaster.
Fingers crossed, but full marks to DJM for boldness.
Great news on the 59 and now means that there is a DJM model that I will buy. Also very happy that he is offering one of the initial four with its initial name and livery - something that I think was sorely missing from Dapol.
Would be great if there was some rolling stock to go with it now - is Dave going to produce some non-loco stock for N gauge?
I'm assuming this IS the Dapol model? The Dapol website doesn't show the 59 under development any more. Also, if it is already under way in China, then why didn't Dave publicise it before now?
I said as much on another forum and Dave liked the post, although I might be talking nonsense.
Either way, great release and looking forward to it.
Quote from: Brooksy on July 23, 2014, 01:26:10 PM
Would be great if there was some rolling stock to go with it now - is Dave going to produce some non-loco stock for N gauge?
Dave said a while back that given the development costs (research. CAD, tooling, etc.) are similar for locos and wagons he would initially concentrate on locos as they make more money and his resources are limited.
Quote from: Mike W on July 23, 2014, 01:46:33 PM
I'm assuming this IS the Dapol model? The Dapol website doesn't show the 59 under development any more. Also, if it is already under way in China, then why didn't Dave publicise it before now?
I did not realise the 59 had dropped off the Dapol website. If so, and if this is because DJM are picking this up as opposed to being in direct competition, then this is fantastic news for the hobby. There is no point in Dapol hanging on to the 'rights' (for want of a better word) for a model they probably will not be producing in the immediate future, if someone else can produce it in less time, and allow Dapol to concentrate on their sizable backlog.
Potentially a win-win situation all around.
Quote from: steam-driven boy on July 23, 2014, 12:38:32 PM
Corresponding models announced in that rather bizarre OO thingy, including a Kickstarter Class 71, which would be nice if scaled to our needs.
Curious choice, the Class 71; would have thought the outwardly similar Class 74 would have been better, or at least, being an electro-diesel, would be seen much further afield than the plain electric 71. On the other hand, the 71 is a very interesting model, and the old school pantograph at the top will be fun to see. I have absolutely no need to get one for my layout, but if the price was right, I'd definitely get one just for the sake of it!
Cheers, NeMo
The one that hasn't had a comment is the Q6.
Exactly what I need for Hawthorn Dene. A loco that lasted to the last day of steam in the North East (September 1967) and which did get about quite a lot further than one might imagine. A reliable heavy goods plodder, with one preserved.
All the very best
Les.
I'd definitely like a Class 59, and I'm hoping that someone produces the JHA's to go with them. :-\
Quote from: Les1952 on July 23, 2014, 02:59:21 PM
Exactly what I need for Hawthorn Dene. A loco that lasted to the last day of steam in the North East (September 1967) and which did get about quite a lot further than one might imagine. A reliable heavy goods plodder, with one preserved.
Do you reckon they got as far as the Waverley Route Les? I don't recall any photos with the evidence.
Cheers
Dave
Personally really pleased to see the 63xx on the list, a serious gap in the Western region list at the moment and they got all over the place, lots of option to develop this and model several of the other GWR 2-6-0 veriations.
Interesting about the class 59, I do hope this is instead of Dapol and not another boring double up!!
Best wishes
Simon
Quote from: DCCDave on July 23, 2014, 03:04:12 PM
Quote from: Les1952 on July 23, 2014, 02:59:21 PM
Exactly what I need for Hawthorn Dene. A loco that lasted to the last day of steam in the North East (September 1967) and which did get about quite a lot further than one might imagine. A reliable heavy goods plodder, with one preserved.
Do you reckon they got as far as the Waverley Route Les? I don't recall any photos with the evidence.
Cheers
Dave
Hi Dave
I have never seen any pictures either, I think it must be highly doubtful.
I am sure you could stretch "Rule 1" though and have some reallocated from south of the border for coal traffic from Lady Victoria Colliery?
I will certainly be buying one!
Regards
Roy
Q6 for me! Grew up watching and listening to them heading for Consett until replaced by Austerity locos and then 9Fs
The Q6 looks rather an ungainly loco, it looks as though it has a couple of wheels missing at either end :D. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Quote from: silly moo on July 23, 2014, 03:34:15 PM
The Q6 looks rather an ungainly loco, it looks as though it has a couple of wheels missing at either end :D. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Stick a pony truck on the front and you could almost have a Robinson 04! Actually, an appropriate body could potentially see a Robinson 0-8-0 - both much nicer looking locos! :P
Hi,
Quote from: Tank on July 23, 2014, 02:59:33 PM
I'd definitely like a Class 59, and I'm hoping that someone produces the JHA's to go with them. :-\
If all else fails on the r-t-r front Worsley Works do JHA etches, and TPM do PTA tipplers.
Regards, Gerry 8)
Quote from: Tank on July 23, 2014, 02:59:33 PM
I'd definitely like a Class 59, and I'm hoping that someone produces the JHA's to go with them. :-\
Dave has said that he was looking to do the O&K JHA hoppers if he can find plans.
Cheers, Mike
Quote from: NeMo on July 23, 2014, 02:21:28 PM
Quote from: steam-driven boy on July 23, 2014, 12:38:32 PM
Corresponding models announced in that rather bizarre OO thingy, including a Kickstarter Class 71, which would be nice if scaled to our needs.
Curious choice, the Class 71; would have thought the outwardly similar Class 74 would have been better, or at least, being an electro-diesel, would be seen much further afield than the plain electric 71. On the other hand, the 71 is a very interesting model, and the old school pantograph at the top will be fun to see. I have absolutely no need to get one for my layout, but if the price was right, I'd definitely get one just for the sake of it!
Cheers, NeMo
I'd prefer the 71... the 74 was BRs successful conversion of a silk purse into a sow's ear!!
Fair play to Dave for ceasing further new announcements until some of the 'current' models are with us, not just cash wise. It's very 'easy' to announce intentions and not deliver for ages, witness someone else who has recently released a catalogue :hmmm:
:thankyousign:
Put me down for the Yeoman and ARC 59's.. Thank you DJMDave, you made my day.
Some nice hoppers to drag round behind them would be REALLY good too though! :bounce:
Cheers
Mark
Quote from: newportnobby on July 23, 2014, 05:41:57 PM
Fair play to Dave for ceasing further new announcements until some of the 'current' models are with us, not just cash wise. It's very 'easy' to announce intentions and not deliver for ages, witness someone else who has recently released a catalogue :hmmm:
Indeed. A nice, clear statement about how things are. And plenty of time for Dave to listen to people wishlisting and "frothing" in order to come up with the next batch of new announcements.
Nice to see a GWR loco in the range, which finally means there is something I can order from DJM.
Awesome news......put me down for a DBS class 59, see them all the time past us into London.
+1 for an EWS one in the next batch, heck may get foster yeoman for a nostalgia trip as well
and compared to the tired, hackneyed recent offerings from graham farish and dapol i'm excited by this.
Now all Dave has to do is to deliver :)
I've been waiting for a 63XX for a while now so pleased to see that one will be along.....eventually.
Good luck to DJM - hope it all works out.
Q6 had regular workings into Edinburgh, though not if NBR drivers had their way as they were heavy plodders with no train brakes. They also had workings to Liverpool and to Annesley, but the lack of a train brake restricted them.
Seen on the WCML at Tebay working off the Stainmore line for a couple of months until a derailment due to poor track took the Kirkby Stephen pair back East, but regular workings as far as Carlisle from Newcastle. I don't know if they took Durham Coal through to the Cumberland Steelworks. Q6 hauled LOADED coal trains used to pass each other on the Newcastle-Carlisle route as NE Coal was more suitable for some iron uses in Cumbria and Cumbrian coal was better for some chemical uses in the NE......
Regular (if not frequent) workings down the ECML as fas as Peterbrough and had penetrated as far as March on the GN/GE on occasion. No layout in England set North of Doncaster or East of the Pennines should be without one.
Modern Image layouts could justify the NER-liveried Q6 almost anywhere as one is preserved, though I don't think it has had a main line certificate up until now (though I may be wrong)- it will need one to work to Whitby so that may mean it gets about a bit more.
Hope all this helps.
Les
(off to Sherwood Models in the next few days to book a pair and a Hudswell 0-6-0ST)
Another modeller delighted to see the GWR Mogul here. Dapol's GWR locos are nice but so far 3 out of 4 of their tender locos are mixed-traffic 4-6-0s wihch get a bit samey.
Now Dave is releasing the Mogul and Farish are (allegedly) doing the Castle, we will have a proper range of GWR motive power. :claphappy:
I shall be up for at least one of Dave's 63xx's, just what the doctor ordered. BTW, why are they called "Moguls"?
It is an american nomenclature for locomotives.
2-6-0 Mogul
2-6-2 Prairie
4-6-2 Pacific
4-4-2 Atlantic etc.
That is where they came from although I admit it does not answer why. Apparently some early 2-6-2 locos were built for the use on the Midwestern prairies and that is how they aquired the nickname. Goodness know where Mogul comes from though. :confused1:
There's already more than enough Greasy Wet and Rusty steam RTR, when are we going to get some SR (pre Bulleid)
Currently there are only Dapol M7 and Terrier and UM T9, 700 and 0395, no Nelson, Arthur, Remembrance, H15, S15, no ex SECR 4-4-0s nor 0-6-0s, only the Terrier for ex LBSC, no H1 or H2 Atlantic, nor any 4-4-0s.
All the Bulleid steamers are available RTR but the prototypes didn't appear until the 1940s so no use for layouts set pre WW2.
We are promised an N class mogul from Farish and a Schools from Dapol heaven knows when/if they will ever appear.
A lot of people tend to only see the SR as EMU country; until the late 1960s there was no third rail west of Reading/Woking/Portsmouth, lines to Bournemouth, Weymouth, Salisbury Yeovil Devon and Cornwall were all steam worked.
Somewhat of a "Catch 22" situation, Nobody makes SR stock cos nobody models SR/nobody models SR cos nobody makes the stock. About time it changed
I agree it is a bit catch 22 however until recently there has been nothing for older SR locos to haul. Now that we have Maunsel stock on the way from Dapol and Birdcage sets from Farish, perhaps that will be an incentive for them to make locos to haul them.
I was rather hoping Dave would announce an O2 but I guess he has enough on his plate. Remember that a couple of years ago, there was no SR coaching stock at all. Now we have 1 flavour with another 2 types on the way, more than any other of the Big-4. The dawn is rising on the SR, just be patient. ;)
My patience is running out I started N gauge 40 years ago in 1974, I'm now 80, it'd better improve a bit smartish else I won't be around to see it.
Quote from: Tank on July 23, 2014, 02:59:33 PM
I'd definitely like a Class 59, and I'm hoping that someone produces the JHA's to go with them. :-\
Very much agree with this! Would love a Hanson 59 and a rake of JHAs.
It's the same press release as Dapol used - including a picture of a Hanson loco, despite no plans to offer one initially. Seemed daft when Dapol did it, seems daft now! Still, good someone's doing it, and I see he's saying he'd like to do hoppers, but hasn't been able to get the plans.
Quote from: scruff on July 23, 2014, 06:58:55 PM
Some nice hoppers to drag round behind them would be REALLY good too though! :bounce:
Farish do the PGAs which are suitable IIRC. You could almost get away with repainting HHAs as JHAs if you really want some of the 100 ton hoppers. I won't tell anyone if you don't :whisper:
Quote from: Karhedron on July 24, 2014, 10:46:17 AM
Quote from: scruff on July 23, 2014, 06:58:55 PM
Some nice hoppers to drag round behind them would be REALLY good too though! :bounce:
Farish do the PGAs which are suitable IIRC. You could almost get away with repainting HHAs as JHAs if you really want some of the 100 ton hoppers. I won't tell anyone if you don't :whisper:
They'd be good for the National Power JMAs, but too long for the JHAs, I've always thought the Tarmac JGAs would be the best proxy for the ARC/Hanson JHAs, but lacking the distinctive LTF bogies. The RMC ones would be pretty good for the Yeoman JHAs.
Very good news.
The Hudswell Clarke is more than tempting. :bounce:
Thanks Dave.
GWR Mogul for me.
My old kit built effort on an old Farish 3 pole chassis is getting rather tired.
Quote from: Caz on July 24, 2014, 09:40:22 AM
I shall be up for at least one of Dave's 63xx's, just what the doctor ordered. BTW, why are they called "Moguls"?
The 2-6-0 wheel arrangement was first used in large numbers in Japan...
Quote from: PLD on July 25, 2014, 08:13:05 AM
Quote from: Caz on July 24, 2014, 09:40:22 AM
I shall be up for at least one of Dave's 63xx's, just what the doctor ordered. BTW, why are they called "Moguls"?
The 2-6-0 wheel arrangement was first used in large numbers in Japan...
Not quite. The "Mikado" name (2-8-2) does come from Japan; when the first examples were produced by the US for the Japanese railroads, a certain Gilbert & Sullivan opera was very popular, and somehow its name got transferred to the locomotives.
On the other hand, nobody knows for sure where the "Mogul" name came from (though a common theory is that one or other early example of the 2-6-0 type had been given that name, and the name ended up being applied to all 2-6-0s.
Cheers, NeMo
PS. The original Mughals were emperors of India, rather than Japan, and the word "Mogul" is an old fashioned spelling of that name.
Quote from: Dorsetmike on July 24, 2014, 09:57:17 AM
There's already more than enough Greasy Wet and Rusty steam RTR, when are we going to get some SR (pre Bulleid)
Somewhat of a "Catch 22" situation, Nobody makes SR stock cos nobody models SR/nobody models SR cos nobody makes the stock. About time it changed
Try modelling the NER area- Britains biggest pre-grouping monopoly. We are better off in N than in OO, where there is only ONE class of loco R-T-R (the J72 0-6-0T). Even in N there are but four, three 0-6-0s (J25/26/27- and most people can't tell the latter pair apart) and one 4-4-0. We now have two more in development, Dapol's J72 and now Dave's 0-8-0.
So still no mixed traffic loco (there were four successful 4-6-0 classes), no big tank (they had three types of 0-6-2T, two 4-6-2T, a 4-4-4T and a 4-8-2T), five more 4-4-0 types and three Atlantic types and a Pacific no less.
Having said that, the North British (the largest railway in Scotland) is even worse off.......
The Q6 can't have been a bad engine. There were 120 built and the FIRST withdrawal wan't until 1962. The last boiler to cool in the real NE region (ie not including Holbeck which was ex-MR) in September 1967 was either a Q6 or a J27- ie a pre-grouping design.
All the very best
Les
At last, a GWR Mogul. Why has it taken so long? Put me down for 1 at least. By the time I get it I might have finished the kit I started 8 years ago :doh:
Dave, the class 07 you're mentioning, will it be available in N gauge?
This would be a wonderful news with the Hudswell Clarke for the beginning of my holidays!!! :claphappy:
Of course, I would deny you told me anything... :angel:
oh well.....perhaps a Class 28 will be announced in two years time.
Everybody has a want (S&D 7F for me as always... :thumbsup:), but I'm not going to rattle off a list of other stuff...
I think Dave needs a big heap of praise for whats in the pipeline, after all he hasn't sold anything yet and setting up a new business isn't cheap or easy... I'm glad he's decided not to make a long list of maybes and concentrate on whats been promised - even if my beloved S&D 7F isn't there...
I'm looking forward to the Mogul, Hudswell Clarke and especially the Clayton, but hopefully not all at once...! ::)
I came across this little nugget in this thread on 'another forum':
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/88259-djmodels-first-year-report/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/88259-djmodels-first-year-report/)
"I have decided to create a range (almost a stand alone one) of RTR 0-6-0 locomotives (Steam and Diesel), and would have produced a class 07 shunter this year until I found out another company is producing one." [My emphasis].
Didn't go into detail about which scale or which company, but if it's N then I can see another demand on the wallet...
lots of promises from manufacturers , what happened to the class 139 promised a coupe of years back ?
alan
I would also love a smooth running Class 59 but to be honest I am not going to get excited until I see the review in the modelling press. Like all of us here I have been disappointed by promises not being delivered so I think I'll bide my time...
Quote from: mr bachmann on July 26, 2014, 03:13:43 PM
lots of promises from manufacturers , what happened to the class 139 promised a coupe of years back ?
alan
The class 139 - Parry people mover, has never been announced as coming ready to run. It was being worked on by a friend of mine for a 3d print. I know that he is still trying to get the body to look right, he is currently working on prototype 15!
Alistair
Quote from: talisman56 on July 26, 2014, 03:11:08 PM
...would have produced a class 07 shunter this year until I found out another company is producing one.[/i]" [My emphasis].
Curious choice of prototype. Must admit I think this shunters are very pretty, and for the right price, I'd probably get one just for the fun of it. But didn't they work almost exclusively at Southampton Docks? Did they have much of a life after BR on industrial railways?
Cheers, NeMo
Very nice announcements!
I can certainly see a Q6 heading my way when released :)
Cheers,
Ollie
:NGaugersRule:
I think I can live without a 139 or an 07!!! they are both at the very bottom of my wish list!!!
Anyway very interested to see what the DJ models will be like and then I may well buy a 17 and 59. the choice of tank engines is nice as well although not my main interest.
Tim
I would be interested in a class 59 too, I wonder why Dapol decided to 'sack' their intended model??
Quote from: NeMo on July 26, 2014, 08:55:10 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on July 26, 2014, 03:11:08 PM
...would have produced a class 07 shunter this year until I found out another company is producing one.[/i]" [My emphasis].
Curious choice of prototype. Must admit I think this shunters are very pretty, and for the right price, I'd probably get one just for the fun of it. But didn't they work almost exclusively at Southampton Docks? Did they have much of a life after BR on industrial railways?
Cheers, NeMo
Two got to ICI Wilton and I think three or four more had second lives.
However, this class of Ruston wasn't exclusive to BR, though mouldings for a lower cab would be needed for most of the pure industrials....
All the very best
Les
Hi
Quote from: OwL on July 28, 2014, 10:46:45 PM
I would be interested in a class 59 too, I wonder why Dapol decided to 'sack' their intended model??
They haven't, posted on Dapol's facebook 'thingy' today in reply to a query:
QuoteWe are intending to produce this model during 2015 and will publish further details by the end of this year.
I wonder who might 'blink' first where duplicate loco identities are concerned - ARC and NP - surely there's nothing to be gained with duplication at that level ???
Regards, Gerry 8)
Additional: I've now looked at the two others - not of interest to me - they too carry duplicate numbers :hmmm:
If Dapol haven't started on their 59 then I can't honestly believe it will go ahead, but we will see.
I think what is a bit galling with Dapol is the way they have in the past announced things and not done them (Pendolino, 92, pacer etc). It is one thing to announce something and it take a long time (as Farish have been guilty of at times), something else to stake a claim and not do anything about it.
Neither the 92 or Pendolino were abandoned out of a desire to land grab. I believe Dapol intended to do both but shelved their plans after the disappointing sales of the 86 put them off further electrics.
To be fair, Farish have said the same thing after the poor sales of the 4-CEP and Desiro so I do not think we would have seen either from them if Dapol had not announced them.
The Pendolino was ditched because they realised that not all the coaches were the same (though I still think some of the interior detail would not have been visible plus smart tooling choices could have accounted for things like windows).
The 92 was allegedly put on the back burner, but we were not told AFAIK that it was due to the lack of sales of the 86.
What a coherent line up an 86, 92 and Pendo would have made...
Quote from: Les1952 on July 29, 2014, 09:14:07 AM
Quote from: NeMo on July 26, 2014, 08:55:10 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on July 26, 2014, 03:11:08 PM
...would have produced a class 07 shunter this year until I found out another company is producing one.[/i]" [My emphasis].
Curious choice of prototype. Must admit I think this shunters are very pretty, and for the right price, I'd probably get one just for the fun of it. But didn't they work almost exclusively at Southampton Docks? Did they have much of a life after BR on industrial railways?
Cheers, NeMo
Two got to ICI Wilton and I think three or four more had second lives.
However, this class of Ruston wasn't exclusive to BR, though mouldings for a lower cab would be needed for most of the pure industrials....
All the very best
Les
There are a fair number of detail differences between the 07s and the industrials (and I suspect between different industrials).
A few did get interesting places after BR usage, one even made it to Wales, but they were still generally operated on tiny fixed sites. In many ways its almost easier for Farish to do - the 04 chassis is pretty close to what is needed.
Quote from: EtchedPixels on July 29, 2014, 10:05:32 PM
In many ways its almost easier for Farish to do - the 04 chassis is pretty close to what is needed.
Maybe Farish
are doing it. Dave's original quotation was that he was
not doing the 07 as he believed it was coming from a different source.
DJM and Dapol used the exact same press release to announce the 59, photos and all. If Dapol haven't shelved theirs, or rather 'given' it to Dave (which I can't believe they've not), then what the hell's that about?!
Quote from: port perran on July 23, 2014, 09:29:10 PM
I've been waiting for a 63XX for a while now so pleased to see that one will be along.....eventually.
Good luck to DJM - hope it all works out.
Seconded!
Quote from: talisman56 on July 26, 2014, 03:11:08 PM
I came across this little nugget in this thread on 'another forum':
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/88259-djmodels-first-year-report/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/88259-djmodels-first-year-report/)
"I have decided to create a range (almost a stand alone one) of RTR 0-6-0 locomotives (Steam and Diesel), and would have produced a class 07 shunter this year until I found out another company is producing one." [My emphasis].
Didn't go into detail about which scale or which company, but if it's N then I can see another demand on the wallet...
The Class 07s were, IMHO, the most attractive of all of BR's diesel shunters. I'd certainly want one, 'on loan' to Penmayne; maybe, for trials on the heavily graded Castle Estate branch or shunting Penmayne harbour sidings where the improved visibility for the driver would be handy. I suspect one might also be 'trialled' at Trepol Bay? 8-)
Quote from: NeMo on July 26, 2014, 08:55:10 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on July 26, 2014, 03:11:08 PM
...would have produced a class 07 shunter this year until I found out another company is producing one.[/i]" [My emphasis].
Curious choice of prototype. Must admit I think this shunters are very pretty, and for the right price, I'd probably get one just for the fun of it. But didn't they work almost exclusively at Southampton Docks? Did they have much of a life after BR on industrial railways?
Cheers, NeMo
They could also be seen at Eastleigh (where they were overhauled and also allocated after the depot at Southampton Docks closed). Otherwise, yes, they were only seen beyond the Eastleigh / Southampton area after being sold into industrial service at, e.g. coal mines, chemical works, quarries? HNRC had a brightly repainted one on hire, for a while.
Quote from: Chris in Prague on July 30, 2014, 05:55:18 PM
Quote from: NeMo on July 26, 2014, 08:55:10 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on July 26, 2014, 03:11:08 PM
...would have produced a class 07 shunter this year until I found out another company is producing one.[/i]" [My emphasis].
Curious choice of prototype. Must admit I think this shunters are very pretty, and for the right price, I'd probably get one just for the fun of it. But didn't they work almost exclusively at Southampton Docks? Did they have much of a life after BR on industrial railways?
Cheers, NeMo
They could also be seen at Eastleigh (where they were overhauled and also allocated after the depot at Southampton Docks closed). Otherwise, yes, they were only seen beyond the Eastleigh / Southampton area after being sold into industrial service at, e.g. coal mines, chemical works, quarries? HNRC had a brightly repainted one on hire, for a while.
It is, by diesel shunter standards, quite a pretty machine. A much more useful gap-filler, especially with a wider industrial base, would have been the Hunslet version, 68 BR examples (class 05) with 14 sales to industry, and a standard type for Consett Ironworks, NCB in County Durham and other sales besides...
Just a thought.
Les
Quote from: Les1952 on August 01, 2014, 06:07:26 AM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on July 30, 2014, 05:55:18 PM
Quote from: NeMo on July 26, 2014, 08:55:10 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on July 26, 2014, 03:11:08 PM
...would have produced a class 07 shunter this year until I found out another company is producing one.[/i]" [My emphasis].
Curious choice of prototype. Must admit I think this shunters are very pretty, and for the right price, I'd probably get one just for the fun of it. But didn't they work almost exclusively at Southampton Docks? Did they have much of a life after BR on industrial railways?
Cheers, NeMo
They could also be seen at Eastleigh (where they were overhauled and also allocated after the depot at Southampton Docks closed). Otherwise, yes, they were only seen beyond the Eastleigh / Southampton area after being sold into industrial service at, e.g. coal mines, chemical works, quarries? HNRC had a brightly repainted one on hire, for a while.
It is, by diesel shunter standards, quite a pretty machine. A much more useful gap-filler, especially with a wider industrial base, would have been the Hunslet version, 68 BR examples (class 05) with 14 sales to industry, and a standard type for Consett Ironworks, NCB in County Durham and other sales besides...
Just a thought.
Les
Class 05 D2554, 05 001, even survived to be renumbered in BR service on on the Isle of Wight.
Quote from: njee20 on July 29, 2014, 10:27:59 PM
DJM and Dapol used the exact same press release to announce the 59, photos and all. If Dapol haven't shelved theirs, or rather 'given' it to Dave (which I can't believe they've not), then what the hell's that about?!
It seems at present both are going for it. Whether one pulls out further down the line if the other appears to be getting way out in front no one knows.
To let everyone know there is talk of a pendolino project appearing. Please see the other forum for info.
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/89072-n-gauge-pendolino-project/#entry1549203 (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/89072-n-gauge-pendolino-project/#entry1549203)
Alistair
No good doing it over there, this is THE place for N gauge.
Plus I'm aware of quite a few N gaugers that won't touch RMWEB with a 10' pole (20mm in N ;) ) so if this has been initiated by Dave himself by not including NGF he will be missing out on a sizeable audience of possible buyers.
Paul
Actually I'd say anyone who doesn't go onto RMWeb to register their intent on principle is cutting their nose off to spite their face...
It was a fairly organic discussion that led to that thread, Dave didn't wade in and say 'right, who wants an n gauge Pendo?'
Quote from: njee20 on August 13, 2014, 09:17:17 PM
Actually I'd say anyone who doesn't go onto RMWeb to register their intent on principle is cutting their nose off to spite their face...
It was a fairly organic discussion that led to that thread, Dave didn't wade in and say 'right, who wants an n gauge Pendo?'
You are right njee20. The idea came out of an RMWeb discussion about the poor sales of modern Farish electric locomotives, and Dave was just the facilitator who provided a price and an idea of how the Pendolino could be funded. I have started a Pendolino topic on here to draw attention to it, rather than leave it just under the DJModels umbrella topic.
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23000.msg240330#msg240330 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23000.msg240330#msg240330)
Quote from: njee20 on August 13, 2014, 09:17:17 PM
Actually I'd say anyone who doesn't go onto RMWeb to register their intent on principle is cutting their nose off to spite their face...
Relax, the expression of interest that counts will be on Kickstarter :)
Quote from: njee20 on August 13, 2014, 09:17:17 PM
Actually I'd say anyone who doesn't go onto RMWeb to register their intent on principle is cutting their nose off to spite their face...
You misunderstand, I wasn't stating a deliberate intention on their part to avoid that particular RMweb thread, more a general avoidance of the entire place hence they would not be aware of the thread's existence in the first place ;)
Paul
Quote from: njee20 on August 13, 2014, 09:17:17 PM
Actually I'd say anyone who doesn't go onto RMWeb to register their intent on principle is cutting their nose off to spite their face...
It was a fairly organic discussion that led to that thread, Dave didn't wade in and say 'right, who wants an n gauge Pendo?'
Been on RMWeb once, and that was one to many times, if I have an interest on Daves Models I will get any info from his web site.
Oh and by the way I will never cut off my nose to spite anything, this forum has it all for me and there is no need to see how the other half lives.
Quote from: tutenkhamunsleeping on August 13, 2014, 10:03:27 PM
Quote from: njee20 on August 13, 2014, 09:17:17 PM
Actually I'd say anyone who doesn't go onto RMWeb to register their intent on principle is cutting their nose off to spite their face...
Relax, the expression of interest that counts will be on Kickstarter :)
Hi
However it might not even get that far if people arn't interested in the first place.
Cheers
Paul
Quote from: Sprintex on August 13, 2014, 12:24:42 PMI'm aware of quite a few N gaugers that won't touch RMWEB with a 10' pole (20mm in N ;) ) Paul
20.6mm in British N, 19.1mm in 1:160 :D
Quote from: Geoff on August 13, 2014, 10:20:14 PM
Quote from: njee20 on August 13, 2014, 09:17:17 PM
Actually I'd say anyone who doesn't go onto RMWeb to register their intent on principle is cutting their nose off to spite their face...
It was a fairly organic discussion that led to that thread, Dave didn't wade in and say 'right, who wants an n gauge Pendo?'
Been on RMWeb once, and that was one to many times, if I have an interest on Daves Models I will get any info from his web site.
Oh and by the way I will never cut off my nose to spite anything, this forum has it all for me and there is no need to see how the other half lives.
That depends if you have any interest in a Pendolino really doesn't it...
Don't think there's any need for the sarcastic attitude :no:
However it does substantiate my earlier point that many people avoid RMweb for various reasons that are their own business, whether it be attitudes of some of the members, lack of impartiality due to the funding, or any other reason I can't think of at this time of night ;)
Paul
Quote from: Sprintex on August 13, 2014, 10:38:44 PM
Don't think there's any need for the sarcastic attitude :no:
However it does substantiate my earlier point that many people avoid RMweb for various reasons that are their own business, whether it be attitudes of some of the members, lack of impartiality due to the funding, or any other reason I can't think of at this time of night ;)
Paul
Er. bigotry?
If people don't want to use RMWeb that's up to them, but it seems to me that there's some fairly childish stances been exhibited here.
If you don't like it then fair enough but I've read all I want to read about RMweb bashing on here.
Funny I've not seen one single NGaugeForum bash on RMWeb. Compare and contrast...
Just my two penneth
Dave
I have no personal interest in a Pendolino in N and could not "vote" to buy one because much as I like the prototype I could never commit £250 of my finite modelling budget to one on a whim.
However if anyone genuinely does want one there will be a need for any such project to gain "traction" by having sufficient interest expressed before anyone in their right mind would invest time and effort in a "Kickstarter" project.
My suggestion is therefore to put any issues aside as regards RM Web and go on there to vote if you really want one. I would humbly suggest that this opportunity will not come along again anytime soon.
Roy
Quote from: Roy L S on August 13, 2014, 11:12:52 PM
I have no personal interest in a Pendolino in N and could not "vote" to buy one because much as I like the prototype I could never commit £250 of my finite modelling budget to one on a whim.
However if anyone genuinely does want one there will be a need for any such project to gain "traction" by having sufficient interest expressed before anyone in their right mind would invest time and effort in a "Kickstarter" project.
My suggestion is therefore to put any issues aside as regards RM Web and go on there to vote if you really want one. I would humbly suggest that this opportunity will not come along again anytime soon.
Roy
Spot on Roy, If you want one and can commit the cash up front then you should vote no matter where the vote is hosted. At £250 it would be a bargain (that's cheaper than a 6 car Blue Pullman, and if you model the era probably then it's a much more widespread model).
If your preferences lie elsewhere then why not have a word with Dave Jones and see if he'll produce a 'Kickstarted' project of your own choice.
Non of this is compulsory...
Cheers
Dave
Hi All
I could afford to commit to buy a Pendo, however I will not do so as there has been no actual plastic produced by DJ Models yet. Once the hype has been backed up by actual models then I may feel able to splash the cash.
Regards to all
Pete @ EGLM
Indeed that was the consensus - wait until Dave's actually released setting tangible before asking folk to commit.
Quote from: Geoff on August 13, 2014, 10:20:14 PM
Been on RMWeb once, and that was one to many times, if I have an interest on Daves Models I will get any info from his web site.
Oh and by the way I will never cut off my nose to spite anything, this forum has it all for me and there is no need to see how the other half lives.
That's once more than me, and likewise I shall get info from the site, or better still, the N GAUGE forum. I have no interest in a Pendulum anyway. It ain't blue. ;)
Quote from: njee20 on August 13, 2014, 10:31:17 PM
Quote from: Geoff on August 13, 2014, 10:20:14 PM
Quote from: njee20 on August 13, 2014, 09:17:17 PM
Actually I'd say anyone who doesn't go onto RMWeb to register their intent on principle is cutting their nose off to spite their face...
It was a fairly organic discussion that led to that thread, Dave didn't wade in and say 'right, who wants an n gauge Pendo?'
Been on RMWeb once, and that was one to many times, if I have an interest on Daves Models I will get any info from his web site.
Oh and by the way I will never cut off my nose to spite anything, this forum has it all for me and there is no need to see how the other half lives.
That depends if you have any interest in a Pendolino really doesn't it...
Oh yeah I never mentioned I am not interested in Pendolino, but I would just wish that RMWeb word was not brought up it just seems its RMWeb this and RMWeb that lately on here, and DCCDave I am not bashing RMWeb if I could I would bash some of the membership and there attitudes between N and 2mm, now that what really gets up my nose, my outlook is that anyone can model what they want but when N Gauge gets a slating from a 2mm modeller than that just takes the biscuit and when I decided to come away from that forum.
Oh boy I am done with this life is to short.
:laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:
It is indeed, and at the risk of repeating myself for the nth time on this forum, I'm gonna do it again.
WE ARE JUST BIG BOYS AND GIRLS PLAYIN' WITH TRAINS.
Now may I remind all the big boys and girls of the title of this thread...
We are heading off topic here. :thumbsup:
George
Quote from: Bealman on August 14, 2014, 06:57:58 AM
. . . I have no interest in a Pendulum anyway. It ain't blue. ;)
You never know what might happen in the future regarding merry-go-round of trainsets between the TOCs. If First had won the franchise, then we would probably have got blue Pendolinos ;D.
East coast Pendolinos on their way. Not sure if they will differ from the WCML versions but more prototypes is always a good thing.
http://www.arriva.co.uk/media_centre/press_releases/2013/december/131212-gnerconsultation.aspx?sc_lang=en (http://www.arriva.co.uk/media_centre/press_releases/2013/december/131212-gnerconsultation.aspx?sc_lang=en)
Also, I believe there is a new open access operator planning Pendolinos to Blackpool and Huddersfield. Again this could offer another livery variation.
http://www.arriva.co.uk/media_centre/press_releases/2014/june/12-jun-2014a.aspx?sc_lang=en (http://www.arriva.co.uk/media_centre/press_releases/2014/june/12-jun-2014a.aspx?sc_lang=en)
The Virgin livery does much to enhance the shape of the front of the Pendolino - will be interesting to see what they look like in other liveries
Quote from: Pengi on August 14, 2014, 09:42:06 AM
The Virgin livery does much to enhance the shape of the front of the Pendolino
Aye, a perfect match to my eyes :thumbsup:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5202/5730860910_921a9aa8cb_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/9JqahJ)
Quote from: Pete @ EGLM on August 13, 2014, 11:52:49 PM
I could afford to commit to buy a Pendo, however I will not do so as there has been no actual plastic produced by DJ Models yet. Once the hype has been backed up by actual models then I may feel able to splash the cash.
At the moment all people are asking is indications whether it is even worth starting a Kickstarter campaign.
I agree that it would be prudent to allow Dave to have produced something before leaping in.
Putting aside all likes or dislikes about RMweb, I happen to agree with Roy that this is perhaps a one-off opportunity to make this happen. It won't happen if people don't even express interest, followed by (as Steve said) converting that initial interest into a firm pledge (or pledges) via Kickstarter.
If you want a Pendolino in N and keep quiet about it then I'm afraid DCCDave is right that we will be cutting our nose off to spite our face!
Cheers, Mike
Quote from: red_death on August 14, 2014, 10:50:07 AM
Quote from: Pete @ EGLM on August 13, 2014, 11:52:49 PM
I could afford to commit to buy a Pendo, however I will not do so as there has been no actual plastic produced by DJ Models yet. Once the hype has been backed up by actual models then I may feel able to splash the cash.
At the moment all people are asking is indications whether it is even worth starting a Kickstarter campaign.
I agree that it would be prudent to allow Dave to have produced something before leaping in.
Putting aside all likes or dislikes about RMweb, I happen to agree with Roy that this is perhaps a one-off opportunity to make this happen. It won't happen if people don't even express interest, followed by (as Steve said) converting that initial interest into a firm pledge (or pledges) via Kickstarter.
If you want a Pendolino in N and keep quiet about it then I'm afraid DCCDave is right that we will be cutting our nose off to spite our face!
Cheers, Mike
Wholeheartedly agree with this.
If NGF members would take the time to go and at least look at the thread on RMWeb, you'll see that this isn't just a test of water for a Pendelino, it's a test on the demand for electric traction. There are plenty members everywhere in the N fraterrnity that bemoan the lack of AC electrics in the scale, and scoff at the suggestion that they just don't sell. Well now is the chance to prove that conclusion wrong (if indeed it is.)
As has been noted, £250 to many is a large sum of money, but it's less than the RRP for the Blue Pullman. That's about two and a half single locomotives worth, and you get potentially a nine car unit in one go. No waiting on suitable carriages to be released at a later date to complete the train!
Under the Kickstarter concept, you would not be asked to stump up that £250 now, you would be asked to pledge that amount. The money would only be taken when the total goal amount was reached (e.g. £250,000) If the goal isn't reached, then everyone walks away.
It's practically impossible to model the WCML without one, and as others have alluded to, it is being considered for other main lines.
If you want one, vote yes. If you don't need one but it could be shoehorned into your era/layout, vote yes. If you desperately want to see AC Electric traction grow in N, vote yes. But swallow your "pride" and do it on RMWeb, because if you don't, you certainly ARE cutting off your nose to spite your face.
If they did the same for a class 21/29, I'd bite their hand off!
I have now added a poll on here identical to the one on RMWeb.
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23000.msg240431#msg240431 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23000.msg240431#msg240431)
There is an option to indicate that you have voted on the RMWeb poll so as not to duplicate votes.
Purely from the stats and analysis point of view, having a poll on this forum as well as RMWeb could actually be counterproductive to achieving the goal of a Pendolino. (also possibly another aspect of why Dave only put the poll on RMWeb).
He now has the problem that some people will vote in the poll here and not on the RMWeb one, thus reducing the predicted demand and he can't include the results of this poll as some people will have voted in both, so he'd end up with overinflated numbers if he did.
I don't want a Pendolino myself but find it strange that there is a reluctance by some to show their interest on RMWeb.
I have a broad range of railway interests and am a member of RMWeb, it contains a lot of interesting material and inspirational layouts (some of them are even N gauge) I just ignore the very few obnoxious posts that occasionally appear.
I've found most of the RMWeb members very helpful.
:NGF: NGF is the most friendly forum though.
As with most things in life, we all have our own opinions for various reasons, which also includes forums by the look of it. :)
It is best for all of us to cease the NGF/RMweb comparisons and stay on the subject of this thread.
As a moderator of this forum, I am trying to be moderate.
If DJM is indeed bringing out a product to be hopefully sold on a possibly global market, then the company needs to look at all options...
One of them being let's see the product before we can comment.
Quote from: Bealman on August 14, 2014, 11:51:37 AM
As a moderator of this forum, I am trying to be moderate.
If DJM is indeed bringing out a product to be hopefully sold on a possibly global market, then the company needs to look at all options...
One of them being let's see the product before we can comment.
The poll is about whether there is support for a Kickstarter (or similar) project to test whether there is the market for a Pendolino. DJModels have purely facilitated putting together a price for such a model should it get sufficient support to go beyond the poll. For practical reasons the poll on RMWeb appears under the DJModels topic, having been moved out of another discussion about the sales of Farish /Dapol modern electric locomotives. Dave Jones can hardly be expected to show a model that may never exist.
Quote from: Pengi on August 14, 2014, 09:42:06 AM
The Virgin livery does much to enhance the shape of the front of the Pendolino - will be interesting to see what they look like in other liveries
Agreed, here is an interpretation of how they might have looked in GNER livery. Can't say I care for it so perhaps just as well the ECML units won't be wearing this. :-\
(http://www.fictitiousliveries.co.uk/fl_04_2006liveries2/emu390068_GNER.jpg)
Sadly the same website does not have the current East Coast or Arriva liveries but it does give some ideas.
http://www.fictitiousliveries.co.uk/index.php?sort=&livery=&class=390&group=&coll= (http://www.fictitiousliveries.co.uk/index.php?sort=&livery=&class=390&group=&coll=)
Quote from: Bealman on August 14, 2014, 11:51:37 AM
As a moderator of this forum, I am trying to be moderate.
If DJM is indeed bringing out a product to be hopefully sold on a possibly global market, then the company needs to look at all options...
One of them being let's see the product before we can comment.
Hi Bealman,
I could understand this stance if we were dealing with a completely new startup/player to the market. But we're not. I don't know Dave, and I don't have any affiliation with DJM, but we're dealing with the former brains behind Dapol products. No matter what anyone says, Dapol, as much as Farish, have contributed greatly to the increase in quality of N gauge products. He has the contacts, he has the technical ability, so what's the problem? He's even alluded to the fact, on the other forum, that he knows how to design and build the thing which would suggest he already has some CAD prepared. He's also stated that a 4 or 5 car version would be available, for smaller layouts.
I don't get it. The poll is about would I be interested in a Pendelino? and if so, would I be willing to put some cash up front?
Where's the risk in ticking yes or no??
Quote from: ScottyStitch on August 14, 2014, 12:52:19 PM
I could understand this stance if we were dealing with a completely new startup/player to the market. But we're not. I don't know Dave, and I don't have any affiliation with DJM, but we're dealing with the former brains behind Dapol products.
I agree, Dave is hardly an unknown quantity. While Dapol has produced some imperfect products, there was a definite drive to steadily improve the baseline during his time there. The most recent models such as the Western and class 22 are very good indeed. Dave has also stated that he plans to address remaining issues such as faulty PCBs and surging motors by using british-designed PCBs, testing all models before dispatch and maintaining stocks of spares.
It is also worth noting that Kernow have switched most of their commissions to DJ Models and placed several new orders with him too. They are clearly confident enough of his ability to deliver and have demonstrated this by putting up their cash upfront.
Quote from: Bealman on August 14, 2014, 11:51:37 AM
One of them being let's see the product before we can comment.
The point is there won't be a product without crowdfunding. I'd be surprised if there is a Kickstarter campaign unless there is sufficient interest expressed at this stage.
I've said that if the demand exists then I would be prepared to co-ordinate or help co-ordinate the Kickstarter campaign, but given that will require some investment of time I wouldn't wish it on anyone if it is a non-starter!
Cheers, Mike
Personally I don't have a difficulty with either DJ Models or Kickstarter funding. I want a model of a DC EMU (465 Networker) so the Pendolino is just not my gig.
This is about gauging interest in a specific prototype rather than the future of AC Traction in model form but It could also test funding production this way.
If you want one go and invest - RMWeb is just a portal. If not - don't..
I think the thing to remember here (and all other threads) is that the views expressed are not those of 'da Management' but are personal views and they can be of a 'like/dislike' nature as long as they are not being pushed on others please.
There is, and has to be, room for us all in the small percentage of the overall market N gauge represents. Many members of the NGF are also members of other fora and I, for one, would hate to think views expressed here have caused them to shy away from the NGF. Please bear in mind at all times that sometime/somewhere your view may be contrary to what others think but they too have a valid expression of opinion to make.
Just to come back to the topic, I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to own a Pendolino but am grateful to Dave Jones for acting as a facilitator which may result in folks getting what they want, whether he posts it here/RMWeb/Yahoo N gauge or wherever.
Nuff said, methinks
Can someone enlighten the uninitiated as to what 'Kickstarting' and 'Crowdfunding' is and the difference between them, and also which one would be best for this sort of project?
:thankyousign:
Seems to be some new jargon, I think it's like in a pub saying anyone fancy going to see
The Grand National and the publican says if we get 20 -30 people I'll hire a bus.
If the project flops do you get your cash back . Maybe a bit like Dragon's Den with
multiple backers.
Quote from: talisman56 on August 14, 2014, 04:39:55 PM
Can someone enlighten the uninitiated as to what 'Kickstarting' and 'Crowdfunding' is and the difference between them, and also which one would be best for this sort of project?
:thankyousign:
Reply and new thread here
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23008.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23008.0)
Crowdfunding is the principle of funding something collectively. Kickstarter is one particular crowdfunding platform. It has the advantage of being large and well organised. Also, no money is taken until the target is reached. If it fails the no money is taken at all.
Quote from: Karhedron on August 14, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
Crowdfunding is the principle of funding something collectively. Kickstarter is one particular crowdfunding platform. It has the advantage of being large and well organised. Also, no money is taken until the target is reached. If it fails the no money is taken at all.
Hi I have started a new thread for this topic.
thinking about it getting ready for with a crowd funding effort is to go for being ready for the new hitachi super express.
This will run in a number of liveries and in a number of different forms and could be a much better seller than the pendolino which is limited to exactly one livery and location???
I f i win the euro millions lottery i do promise to personally fund the pendolino project :)
Crowdfunding is how limited companies started in the 18th -19th century to raise cash
for business ventures. There have been numerous Companies Acts over the years
to regulate such activities so watch your cash.
Quote from: Zakalwe on August 14, 2014, 10:21:21 PM
thinking about it getting ready for with a crowd funding effort is to go for being ready for the new hitachi super express.
And because it will be running on several lines with lots of operators, you probably will not have to worry about crowdfunding it. Probably one of the big manufacturers will pick it up. ;)
probably :)
but it will be late, will break , have suspect accuracy and won't be up to the quality I hope DJM can provide :)
Quote from: Zakalwe on August 14, 2014, 10:21:21 PM
thinking about it getting ready for with a crowd funding effort is to go for being ready for the new hitachi super express.
However its sufficiently recent that you'd probably have to persuade Hitachi to give you design right permissions and approvals, which isn't likely to happen.
I apologise if this is old news, but this is new to me, at least.
I received a parcel from Hattons yesterday. Their usual leaflet was in the parcel. The centre four pages are "An Introduction to the DJ Models Range" and includes an interview with Dave and info about Hattons special editions.
More importantly, delivery estimates for the various models are in it. For the first set of N gauge models (the Class 17, Baby Deltic and the J94) these are "Due after April 2016". Yes, 2016, not 2015. There was no mention of the models announced later (e.g. the GWR/BR Mogul).
Neil
Maybe inherited the speed of development from Dapol.....only joking !
Hi,
I've had to clarify these dates elsewhere as the information published regarding these was not gleaned from myself.
Class 17 and 23 are 2015 models, with possibly one of them around Leamington show time.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Dave
What date is that Dave & do you know which will be ready first, the class 17 or the 23 ?
Quote from: WesternKing on April 29, 2015, 09:11:52 AM
What date is that Dave & do you know which will be ready first, the class 17 or the 23 ?
Hi mate,
Not at this time I'm afraid.
There is a fair chance both hit the tool room together, before the J94 with the latter being help to first quarter 2016.
Cheers
Dave
Quote from: DJM Dave on April 29, 2015, 09:19:09 AMbefore the J94 with the latter being help to first quarter 2016.
Oh dear that's a whole nuther winter, (not to mention an election or more) away, my suspenders will be badly frayed by then :) !
Leamington is this weekend, I've got my cheque book ready!