Hello all,
I have decided to go N gauge and was wandering if anyone or knows any one who has modeled
The Forth Rail Bridge in N gauge or give advice on how it could be accomplished as I would like to make this
a backdrop on a second level and running trains in a loop over it.
The total length of the actual bridge is 8,296 feet long which i myself have worked out at 56" long
but I do not know if that is correct. I have asked at local hobby shops but no one seem to be able to help.
So here's hoping as I would like to create this as I do not know if anyone has done this.
Thank you for your future indulgence.
Ken
It would need to be 673 inches long at N scale which is more like 56 feet rather than inches. Would fit in the garden with a helix to get up to it?
One of my favourite places , but as ParkNd has stated rather large, apart from the bridge itselfthe approaches run for a large distance either side and on the Queensferry side (south) the track goes on high piers until it meets the bridge proper so I think any layout involving the bridgewould have to make compromises or else need a huge space to be authentic.
As someone who grew up 10 miles away and knows the bridge well I would say good luck. Plenty of plastruct girder strip required but very do-able. It is some sight.
Quote from: RST on January 08, 2014, 01:07:23 AM
As someone who grew up 10 miles away and knows the bridge well I would say good luck. Plenty of plastruct girder strip required but very do-able. It is some sight.
Probably a job for James May and Mecanno.
If I was Mr May I'd nip into the Hawes for a glass or two before getting the Lego out !
If I were Mr May I'd need 15 hairdressers and a production team to get me there. Never mind someone to tell me what it is when I arrive. He'd still have bad hair and not know what it was when he got wherever.
Very difficult to photograph, best I managed in years...
(http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu17/RSTA/ffffb1c7-466a-41c5-8f2f-e0785dfb4502.jpg) (http://s629.photobucket.com/user/RSTA/media/ffffb1c7-466a-41c5-8f2f-e0785dfb4502.jpg.html)
...snapped on my camera phone just after xmas :-[ Would have been much better if I had my camera gear.
That would be an amazing project, maybe just take one span and model that, not sure if that would still give you the image your after though, I suppose the whole magic of the bridge is it's size and puzzle of steel.
If I was going for an authentic bridge I would consider Brunel's at Saltash, quite a bit shorter and maybe would still look impressive with just one main span. The Fourth bridge looks great but I don't think it could be shortened and retain its majesty.
The original Severn Railway bridge in its current form would be both suitable to model and operationally appealing to kids who like Scaletrix crashes and the like. One short span and straight into the river.
The bridge at Connel near Oban (now a road bridge) was built about the same time as
the Forth bridge , or possibly slightly earlier and would be easier to model as it's much smaller though of cantilever design.
Give you an idea of its size:
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Scaled down even the centre section is 11' 6" long :o
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Quote from: Oldun on January 10, 2014, 03:52:06 PM
Scaled down even the centre section is 11' 6" long :o
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Thats more practical. Should fit into an approx 18ft layout.
Since the orginal proposal I have converted the new Severn Bridge (not the M48 one) dimensions to N gauge dimensions. The prototype is 3.5 miles long and would make a 124.8 ft long model. Plus of course fiddle yards at each end.
Would suggest not a roundy roundy because even for a car this year it is free from Wales into England and £6.40 from England into Wales. It's just under £20 for a lorry so heaven knows what that would cost for a train. However much that scales up to you would only want to go to England - so an end to end with no return seems appropriate.
Usual comments about who the heck would want to pay to get into Wales on a postcard please.
Postscript : Before every forum member who lives in Cardiff, Swansea, Newport, Pontypridd etc attacks me - I live in Wales (despite being English to the core)!!
Quote from: ParkeNd on January 10, 2014, 05:34:00 PM
Usual comments about who the heck would want to pay to get into Wales on a postcard please.
Postscript : Before every forum member who lives in Cardiff, Swansea, Newport, Pontypridd etc attacks me - I live in Wales (despite being English to the core)!!
We keep putting the prices up but they just won't stop coming :P
"Two lands at last connected
Across the waters wide,
And all the tolls collected
On the English side."
-- Harri Webb
Although I rather liked the Network Rail guy who when the severn tunnel was closed said that "England was currently cut off from civilisation" 8)
Hello guys,
I think I started something here but it is great the positive answers I have had and has gave me
an insight into scaling so I have learned something.
It has been a great response to the old bridge also the lovely photo of the steamy going across,what year was it taken?
I have collected all the ideas up and am working things out.
Once again thank you for the great response keep them coming
Ken
That one was taken on March 17, 2012 .
Have a look at this:
http://www.pgassociates.co.uk/images/newsimages/n_east/12/Forth%20Bridge.jpg (http://www.pgassociates.co.uk/images/newsimages/n_east/12/Forth%20Bridge.jpg)
go ahead and make your model - you can use modelers licence , make it to scale but under size - if it looks like what its supost to represent thats all that counts .....
on the other hand if your a rivet counter ........... :P ::) :-\
alan
Quote from: mr bachmann on January 10, 2014, 07:57:06 PM
on the other hand if your a rivet counter ........... :P ::) :-\
6.5 million according to Wikipedia.
Quote from: mr bachmann on January 10, 2014, 07:57:06 PM
on the other hand if your a rivet counter ........... :P ::) :-\
alan
That's an obscene phrase on this forum ! :o
By the way if you go to N Queensferry there's a maintenance depot
under the bridge and if you ignore the keep out signs when there 's no-one there you can get great pix from below into the innards of the bridge. Best shots are probably from the road bridge especially if a ship is passing under.
Even if you manage to build it it's going to be a chore to paint... and paint... and paint... and paint... and once you're done... to paint... and paint... and paint... and paint... ;)
Quote from: ParkeNd on January 10, 2014, 05:34:00 PM
Postscript : Before every forum member who lives in Cardiff, Swansea, Newport, Pontypridd etc attacks me - I live in Wales (despite being English to the core)!!
In that case you aught to be aware it's in Scotland :)
Hi Alan I was thinking along those lines to I am like you as long as it does not look out of place and made good it should be alright.I was thinking of making up photo back grounds enlarged up to different sizes to begin with,with a loco running alongside just to see how close I can get to the scale
Thanks for the input.
ken
Quote from: DCCDave on January 10, 2014, 11:03:39 PM
Quote from: ParkeNd on January 10, 2014, 05:34:00 PM
Postscript : Before every forum member who lives in Cardiff, Swansea, Newport, Pontypridd etc attacks me - I live in Wales (despite being English to the core)!!
In that case you aught to be aware it's in Scotland :)
The 3.5 mile long Severn Bridge I was writing about was still on the M4 between Bristol in England and Newport in South Wales last Sunday when I went to Cribbs Causeway. When did they move it?
Does this mean that this Sunday we will have to go through Gloucester to get over the Severn and then drive down the M5 instead? That's a long way round. Damn!!
Quote from: ParkeNd on January 10, 2014, 11:50:05 PM
Does this mean that this Sunday we will have to go through Gloucester to get over the Severn and then drive down the M5 instead? That's a long way round. Damn!!
Hop over to Ireland first, I think you'll find it faster.
Good grief, will my locos ever find their way out of the fiddle yard?
Hi,
Might help a little or not. Just got up but will look further.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8493631.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8493631.stm)
Would be a great project for a great structure.
Good luck weave
This ones OO, only 6 foot long but looks impressive to me so would be even more so in god's scale
http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/archive/firth-on-forth-meccano-bridge__o_t__t_10267.html (http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/archive/firth-on-forth-meccano-bridge__o_t__t_10267.html)
weave
I thought it was red ! Maybe a Hibs fan decided to give it a makeover. :D
Well Weave It is a fantastic model I bet if you were to put N gauge locos on it it be very close to the real thing.
Ken
just wondering why you would need a forth rail bridge , when most of us are happy with one :bounce:
Is this bridge still going to be built/copied, if so this drivers eye view may help or
even change your mind :hmmm:
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Roger
Laser scan and 3-D print surely!
I'll be first on the list - assuming it will be under £50!
Cheers Jon :)
Roger this is fantastic you have just given me a great idea in which way to go.I have traveled the bridge for years but have not been able to take a photo like that and I can assure you that with all the investigations I have made regarding the rail bridge I have never come across one like It and am wandering if this is the first.
I am still at the planning stage of my layout and can assure you that once I start construction of it I will be giving a full account as I go along.
Best regards and thank you Ken :thankyousign: :claphappy:
It seems that someone is actually attempting this in T Gauge...
http://www.talkingtgauge.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=123 (http://www.talkingtgauge.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=123)
Quote from: MattJ on January 10, 2014, 10:59:29 PM
Even if you manage to build it it's going to be a chore to paint... and paint... and paint... and paint... and once you're done... to paint... and paint... and paint... and paint... ;)
Hey, don't knock it. The Aussie celeb (well, that's arguable) Paul Hogan (Crocodile Dundee) was a painter on the Sydney Harbour Bridge when he was discovered
Quote from: Bealman on March 13, 2014, 05:06:23 AM
Quote from: MattJ on January 10, 2014, 10:59:29 PM
Even if you manage to build it it's going to be a chore to paint... and paint... and paint... and paint... and once you're done... to paint... and paint... and paint... and paint... ;)
Hey, don't knock it. The Aussie celeb (well, that's arguable) Paul Hogan (Crocodile Dundee) was a painter on the Sydney Harbour Bridge when he was discovered
So you've never heard the expression "Like Painting the Forth Bridge (http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/be+like+painting+the+Forth+Bridge)"? :no:
Although, the last lot of paint was epoxy resin based so should last 25 years or so. :thumbsup:
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http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=21437.msg219982#msg219982 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=21437.msg219982#msg219982)
In the linked post you can see the bridge that was on display at the Glenrothes MRC show built by the Glenrothes Society of Model Engineers (or a member thereof)
The Glenrothes Show one seems to be a bit on the short side too :hmmm:
I think the Forth Bridge is one of those landmarks that is SO iconic that it needs to be done accurately or not at all :thumbsup:
Paul
Forth Bridge one of my favourite places with a good pub close by (Hawes) and I have numerous
photos , and indeed the main tubular girders should be inclined inwards as they rise .Also the
horizontal top sections of the main cantilever sections should be much wider, and the northern
cantilever rests on dry land at N Queensferry rather than the concrete pillars island (caisson ? ).
Also the arch connections between the main cantilevers are too short and stubby.
The model must have been quite time consuming so it's a pity it wasn't more accurate
as this would not have involved much extra work or materials.
Quote from: Sprintex on May 14, 2014, 05:50:32 AM
The Glenrothes Show one seems to be a bit on the short side too :hmmm:
I think the Forth Bridge is one of those landmarks that is SO iconic that it needs to be done accurately or not at all :thumbsup:
Paul
Looking at the pictures of the bridge model I wanted to take a hold at each end and stretch it out to make it look more convincing length-wise...
Thought I'd update this two year old thread with some up-to-date information.....
An earlier post linked to a thread of mine in the TalkingTGauge forum where I was starting to build the Forth Bridge in T gauge. Well, it's completed...and has made two outings so far. Here's a YouTube video from the second visit:
And for reference, here's the link to the T forum:
http://www.talkingtgauge.net/index.php (http://www.talkingtgauge.net/index.php)
Enjoy....
Doug Kightley
WOW !! :jawdropping:
Paul
Very good ! I know that area quite well, especially the Hawes Inn on the
Dalmeny side.
Awesome, Doug, just awesome :goggleeyes:
Nice to see the project finnished I was following on the t-gauge forum. :wonderfulmodelling: :greatwork: :superblayout:
Thanks guys..
Forgot to mention, the Bridge will be displaying at both Warley in November this year and Model Rail Scotland in February next year.
Doug
The photos are amazing but to see ithe model was even better the track layout is just a gigantic dog bone but the scenery and the bridge itself is mind blowing I saw it at the three day show at the GCR this year and I just couldn't believe it .it was about 25 ft long so heaven knows how long that would be in N gauge I'm not very good at mathematics but I'm sure someone will work it out and post on here.
I am lucky that I go to so many shows all for nothing ,although I do have to work on the stand sometime .
Bob
Quote from: Bob Tidbury on August 22, 2016, 09:02:58 PM
The photos are amazing but to see ithe model was even better the track layout is just a gigantic dog bone but the scenery and the bridge itself is mind blowing I saw it at the three day show at the GCR this year and I just couldn't believe it .it was about 25 ft long so heaven knows how long that would be in N gauge I'm not very good at mathematics but I'm sure someone will work it out and post on here.
I am lucky that I go to so many shows all for nothing ,although I do have to work on the stand sometime .
Bob
T gauge is 1/450, so N would be 3x bigger - 75'??
think of the wood needed!
Certainly an awesome model! Look forward to seeing it at Warley.
Absolutely stonking modelling!! Total awe apart from I couldn't find the mute button quick-enough. I grew-up 10 miles east of it and still go back to my home town and always make the effort to go to S Queensferry most times. You need the slow roaring and clanking sound to make that vid perfect!!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:One of the best I have ever seen and it is fantastic. When I opened the topic I was given negative vibes and told it could not be done I was going to prove them wrong unfortunately I took ill and was unable to proceed. But am glad that they have been proved wrong I am looking forward to see at its next show.
Samoyd
:wonderfulmodelling: Can't believe you completed this in only a couple of years, and the surrounding landscape is so well done, too. Congratulations!
Chris
Great model. Faithful to the prototype, except for the lack of rain perhaps! Great achievement and wonderful to demonstrate what can be done in T gauge.
Great job - one question - where are the painters? :)
Quoteone question - where are the painters?
The Bridge is modelled current day.i.e. 2016.
btw That's a clue to the answer to a question that's no longer funny! :sleep:
:hellosign: That is a totally fantastic achievement well done Doug
regards Derek.
This is a fantastic video of the bridge and to see the quality of the modeling skill was amazing. I am unable to view things now due to ill health. My sons sometimes open up things for me but it is a long time since I have opened the forum. I am glad that when I opened the forum it has caused interest to modellers to prove it can be done. good luck in the future I will be watching more often now.
ken
Wow, wow, wow-ee, wow!
So cool. Was just today contemplating including this somehow on my future N gauge layout (an homage to a trip my wife and I made some years ago) but now I'll pass. There's no way to do it justice in N gauge.
Nice work !!!!
If anyone still hasn't seen this layout, then it will be at South Notts Model rail Show at Cotgrave Welfare, Notts NG12 3PJ on 20th and 21st April (the week after Easter). The venue is the one that hosted the N-Gauge Society AGM a few years back.
There are also plenty of N-gauge layouts - enough to make it the most represented scale in the show.....
Les
(slightly) biased show manager.
That is some modelling of one of the greatest bridges ever built....Fantastic skill, i would love to own that layout.
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