Hey folks,
This has just caught my eye and I may make myself a few of them over the next winter to keep myself busy and indoors! Looks like a very smart kit to me! They also make a Class 378 and Electrostar for those interested :D
http://www.shapeways.com/shops/cmacmodels (http://www.shapeways.com/shops/cmacmodels)
Kindest Regards
Philip
Anyone got thoughts on suitable chassis, I guess Tomix, but anyone tried yet.
185s as well, I see - that's a major gap in the current ready to run market, given that they are pretty much ubiquitous in all of the larger stations in the north.
For the chassis I would have thought the Bachmann 170 would be a starting point or the 350 half chassis with a splice to extend chassis given bogies look similar - and these units are on bargain price levels at some suppliers.
The 3D print views do look very good. As ever liveries on modern trains a bit of a dogs dinner but perhaps decals intended for other models can be used?
Robert
Quote from: robert shrives on May 08, 2016, 03:49:22 PM
For the chassis I would have thought the Bachmann 170 would be a starting point or the 350 half chassis with a splice to extend chassis given bogies look similar
Or the Farish / Dapol Voyager maybe?
David,
I had thought of that as underframe shape might help but the Voyagers are small wheeled afairs and quite short bogie wheelbase to boot so I am still "minded" to go 350 route - and I have a pile of bits from Peters spares last year! A quick look at google showed 350 and 185 bogies looking much the same - less plank for shoe gear!
Robert
I would like one of these, and would be keen to see how others get on with the 3D prints.
I guess Adam could do vinyls...?
If the Shapeways 3D printing is as good as it appears then transfers of the Neon lines is what will be needed.
[smg id=39333 type=preview align=center caption="Hugh llewelyn 180 105 (7783034114)"]
Reason why I have a WSF for my Grand Central one. My FUD body will be in Barbie on a low loader !
Robert
Keep nearly buying one of the Electrostars, they do look good.
I believe the 350's are also made by Siemens so I guess the Farish 350 may be a good starting point - I've seen a few chassis going "cheepish" on that auction site from time to time ?
350s are going cheap all over the place at the moment!
Quote from: njee20 on May 09, 2016, 06:55:24 PM
350s are going cheap all over the place at the moment!
Yes, evidently they've not been a good seller.
This probably means that nobody will be rushing to produce any other modern EMUs in a hurry...
Quote from: Only Me on May 09, 2016, 08:13:11 PM
Revolution 32x ahem!!
@Ben A (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94) 👀
True - but a bit different in that you are producing what you know you can sell, rather than taking a punt on a much bigger batch as the larger manufacturers do!
Hello all,
I suspect what this proves is what many retailers know: the N Gauge market, especially for relatively niche modern stuff, has no real depth. And it's hard to predict what will fly out of the door, and what will linger.
Farish have a minimum production run of 3000 of any new item in the first run. To clear a profit on expensive tooling, R&D etc they need to sell that many. Any fewer and your unit costs go up. A lot.
Revolution has a minimum production run of 1000.
So how can we make the numbers stack up?
1) We are selling direct, so there is no retailer margin. If there were, our models would be nearly twice as expensive. In effect our "trade" price is the same as their RRP.
2) We are taking money up front to fund development. This means not just that the factory takes us seriously but also we don't have to borrow money and pay interest, take risks etc. Those who want the model do have to step up, but as long as there are 1000 of us (or at least, 1000 sales) we can go forward.
cheers
Ben A.
Quote from: davidinyork on May 09, 2016, 08:21:21 PM
True - but a bit different in that you are producing what you know you can sell, rather than taking a punt on a much bigger batch as the larger manufacturers do!
Hi David,
You posted as I was replying but yes, by asking people to pre-order we take the risk out of the model. I think that the traditional manufacturer-led approach is safe for the immediate future, however, as crowd-funding cannot sustain large numbers of projects and is very much enthusiast-led.
The goal that Mike and I have is to fill the gaps - ie to produce those models that will sell around 1000 but *not* 3000.
These models, we believe, combined with the more popular Bachmann/Dapol "big ticket" items, will make N Gauge overall a more attractive option to someone taking up the hobby, or thinking of switching scales.
cheers
Ben A.
Hi Ben,
Would you ever consider proposing a ready to run version of the Class 180 Adelante? Personally because of a lack of my own modelling expertise I'd probably struggle to make the 3D printed model look good enough and I would love a Grand Central set :D
Thanks,
Ben
Quote from: VoyagerBen on May 10, 2016, 06:53:26 AM
Hi Ben,
Would you ever consider proposing a ready to run version of the Class 180 Adelante? Personally I'd struggle to make the 3D printed model look good enough and I would love a Grand Central set.
Thanks,
Ben
Ha ha I have already put that forward to Mike and Ben in the past as it shares the same body with the 175s also, so potentially 2 classes out of the same (general) body design.
But I think they both have enough on their plate already!!
Quote from: VoyagerBen on May 10, 2016, 06:53:26 AM
Hi Ben,
Would you ever consider proposing a ready to run version of the Class 180 Adelante? Personally because of a lack of my own modelling expertise I'd probably struggle to make the 3D printed model look good enough and I would love a Grand Central set :D
Thanks,
Ben
FGW, one Barbie, one Dynamic Lines for me. :D
Farish 319 !
Hello all,
I like the 180s - I see them in Grand Central and First liveries at Kings Cross on my usual commute!
As complete 5-car trains it does seem to be unrealistic to expect Farish or Dapol to produce them - putting them right in our sights.
But then we thought that about Mk3 based EMUs!
cheers
Ben
I'm looking at getting a transfer for the Dynamic lines made up. It will be done by a company that have previously done other dynamic line transfers so they know what to do. Not sure of price yet, but it will be cost to make plus 5% of artwork prep cost per five car set.
Hmmm. Tempted by that idea. I rode on the Barbie ones in 2006-8. Dynamic lines would match my HST. I will have resin bodyshells for Lion, Kestrel and Falcon very soon, and 3D printed parts for the Shuttle mobile launch pad, so my workbench is not exactly empty. My wife says I need another project like I need a hole on the head. But when did that stop me?
Quote from: Mustermark on May 20, 2016, 12:38:55 AM
Hmmm. Tempted by that idea. I rode on the Barbie ones in 2006-8. Dynamic lines would match my HST. I will have resin bodyshells for Lion, Kestrel and Falcon very soon, and 3D printed parts for the Shuttle mobile launch pad, so my workbench is not exactly empty. My wife says I need another project like I need a hole on the head. But when did that stop me?
You can get a 3D part to fill the hole in your head :D
SERIOUSLY intrigues by the prospect of the "Dyno Lines" coming out. Dunno about the 180 but it certainly makes the 185 a very attrractive prospect.
Then again, do a chunk of the ECML around the Doncaster area and there we can have 180's in "First Hull Trains" and 185's in "First Trans-Pennine" ?
Hmmmmmm...........................
Hmm...I might have to invest in one of these for some experimentation after my hols...
Shapeways box arrived today and here are the coaches sat on class 170 bogies (no adjustments made.
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With a bit of fettling here is the class 170 power unit fitted at the correct height in the middle coach.
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When I have made all the adjustments I will post close up photographs of the modifications needed to make the class 170 parts fit.
I'm configuring it a s a push pull with the power car in the middle
Sweet. I'd always wondered about bashing some 170s into one as I did for the 175 but 3D printing a 180 is nicer still
Alan
Quote from: EtchedPixels on May 26, 2016, 09:32:20 PM
Sweet. I'd always wondered about bashing some 170s into one as I did for the 175 but 3D printing a 180 is nicer still
Alan
You have to file back the floor mounting lugs and it just slips in. The under frame needs a bit more work but nothing extraordinary.
STOP PRESS
I have just had a quote for the transfers for the class 180. They will be 5 coach sets in First Great Western dynamic lines with an alternate name and numbers option for First Hull. The transfers will include if they are printable, all warning signs, coach designations, door entry panels, ATP panels etc. and anything else that can be seen and can be printed.
I have been given the 2D artwork from the 3D Shapeways CAD master so the transfers will be aligned to this
They will be about £15 for a complete 5 car train.
I will post a photo of them when they are prepared.
If anyone is interested in a set please PM me as this may affect the number of sets I order.
Modification notes
[smg id=40131 type=preview align=center caption="As made"]
[smg id=40133 type=preview align=center caption="lugs removed"]
[smg id=40139 type=preview align=center caption="M4 washer 0.7mm thick"]
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The bogie mounting for coaches A B D and E need trimmed and replaced with an M4 washer thinned to 0.7mm
Coach C (power car) modifications
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A picture says a 1000 words - thanks very useful as model nearing a start on my bench.
thanks
Robert
You will need to make adjustments to the ends, depending on couplings used, but as this will be different from model to model and is directly related to the washer thickness, I'm not going to post photos of this.
As the transfers will take some time, my next actions will be to give the model a good surface using a fiberglass pen, filler and primer. I also have to decide about interiors. I also plan to cut windows in acrylic on my laser. This is tricky and does not always work, however if it does it will give flush glazing.
At this rate with the great job your doing you are going to have to start a business of it for the less able modeller amongst us!
You are doing a spot on job!!
Quote from: acko22 on May 28, 2016, 09:08:41 PM
At this rate with the great job your doing you are going to have to start a business of it for the less able modeller amongst us!
You are doing a spot on job!!
Been modelling for 50 years, I never mix business with pleasure. :D
But from involvement in many clubs, and teaching modeling skills, I like clarity in my explanations.
I'm using short neck Rapido couplings at the moment. I may change this and use three pin electrical connectors later to feed the front and tail lights if I decide to fit them. These short couplings give a good spacing for demonstration purposes. You will note I have ground back the underside to ensure the couplings do not scrape but this does not affect the sides.
[smg id=40206 type=preview align=center caption="Please excuse the camera lens distortion"]
[smg id=40207 type=preview align=center caption="Any closer and they could foul"]
:greatpicturessign: Thanks again have now got two vehicles mounted a 5 BA washer opened up gave me the 0.7mm lift and I have added about an ounce of lead into leading car - so will test tomorrow. now to source more 158 bogies as the 180 V2 bogies not yet ready. - I will lift from other 158 sets!
Now have copy of livery drawing from contacts at GC so a black and orange set will land on my lines very soon.
thanks
Robert
Class 170 bogies will also work, they are all the same and the Scotrail class 170's 3 car sets were very cheap recently. :D
If your chassis plates are slightly warped which can cause wheel rub, you can steam them and lay them on a flat cold surface.
Re-post of lost images.
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Looks very good indeed, even at this early stage.
Fantastic!
Quote from: Tank on June 02, 2016, 03:57:26 PM
Fantastic!
Wait till you see the FGW Dynamic lines transfers that are now in prep. :D
A bit of an experiment.
I want to implement directional lights and to do this I need to distribute the power to the end coaches from the center car. I will be using DCC and also the class 170 bogies on the coaches have no electrical pickup.
Those of you who are familiar with the Hornby Brighton Bell model will be familiar with the idea of using 3 pin plugs to hook together coaches. Its fragile but worth the effort.
The trick is to get the plugs and sockets to move a little but not be loose enough to stress the wires, and to achieve this I am using silicone rubber (blue compound) to hold the plugs.
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That's a great idea, where did you get the plugs from please?
I don't know what I'd use them on yet, but I'm sure others would like to know, and I'm sure I'll use this in the future.
Looking great so far.
Cheers, Timmo
RS Components
Preci-Dip Straight 1.27mm 3 Way Through Hole SIL Socket, Solder, 1A 100 V ac, 150 V dc
Stock no.: 702-3047
Preci-Dip 1.27mm 3 Way 1 Row Straight Through Hole Male Multiway Connector
Stock no.: 702-0105
A few more explanatory photos.
The Blue silicone is a gasket seal type that stays soft and compressible. This means that on curves there is enough movement whilst the plugs and sockets are held firmly.
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Mesh to give effect and to add rigidity.
The under-frames have a tendency to curl and the mesh and the seating, when I add it, will stiffen this.
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Video of the test run with sound using a Zimo MX649 sound chip.
Awesome. 8) :thumbsup:
Here is a shot of the DCC chip installation and speaker
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Update on transfers.
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I am using the Virgin Voyager lighting units which come pre-wired and with the correct combination of fiber optics. Im trial fitting them now but they wont be permanent until the model is painted.
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Hi , that should look good and spares available from DCC supplies last time I looked - I now know why I bought some a while back !!
A great project, just waiting for my chassis units to arrive .
What mesh did you use for the belly holes?
cheers
Robert
It is a very fine brass diamond mesh I got from 4D Models a long time ago, but I believe it is still available.
That is a great idea using the Voyager lighting kits. Might have to get me some of them!
Cheers, Mike
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Are those the seating units from the Grafar 350 ?
No, they are BR Lines MK3 1st and 2nd class seating modules cut up to give the correct seating configuration (or as close as I can get).
BR Lines are always very helpful and you would be amazed at what they have squirreled away.
Here is the Great Central seating layout which is almost identical, and with photos a good idea of layout can be worked out.
I still need to paint the tables and the edges to the seats, however, once I have wired the plugs for the head and tail lights the chassis set will be substantially complete.
My next task will be to surface the body shells for painting, not an easy task with a FUD print.
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Great - thanks !
Now where did I put my spares box..............................
After a lot of burnishing with a fiberglass pen and more than a few layers of primer the top coat has a nice shine.
These now need the paint to cure and that can take several weeks, before any further paint is applied.
I will need to mask the end panels and paint them white then yellow. I could have done this before the blue was applied, however the sprayed blue paint surface gives a better under surface for the yellow panels.
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Nice job. Following with great interest. It'll be a while before I get round to projects again, but thinking I need this in my stash!
Looking really good, you're getting on with this really quickly. Well done.
Cheers, Timmo
This next stage just takes time a patience. I'm blocking in white where I will need to paint bright colors, Yellow and Barbie Pink.
There is still a bit of tidying up to do which I do with a cocktail stick dipped in Polycell brush cleaner. Again this paint will need to cure before the next stage as I will need to use masking tape and I cannot risk the tape damaging the paint below it.
One advantage of having the side CAD profile is I have been able to cut a very accurate curve template.
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Plugs arrived today from China :) so I have wired in the Dapol Voyager light clusters.
A bit of paint to hide the resistors and some detail painting and the Chassis is complete.
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Excellent progress, Shapeways report chassis in preparation so waiting and learning...
thanks
Robert
A quick update on the electrical couplings. Once the silicone is firm I have wrapped the assembly in a heat shrink tube. this makes it very robust and stable.
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Hi ,
looking very good. Shapeways have advised that cannot or will not print the chassis units in WSF as it fails minimum wall thickness test - despite having two.
It seems that the testing process is an evolving one so past performance is no indicator of future. I can do a print anyway at my own risk .... with no comeback a twisted heap is all the state of the art machine produces... ho hum.
At worst case all i need is the underbelly curved bits and could match onto 158/170 seat frame units from BR lines
Your 180 might well be the only one finished.
Robert
I only use FUD or the new Super FUD so cannot comment, other than the FUD prints are fantastic if expensive.
Super FUD? Is that FXD, or is there a new material?
FXD
Transfer artwork update.
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A few more steps.
Its amazing how many thin coats it takes to get a solid yellow.
The yellow area is oversize as there is a common masking line over the yellow and blue and to attempt to pre-mask it and hope to get it straight would be almost impossible.
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First draft of the artwork for the transfer set. There are a number of additions including the First Hull logos etc, however we are almost there.
The image is degraded to avoid it being copied :no:
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I have a 170 and whatever bits Shapeways will print coming. Can't wait for a set of decals... Then all i need is time off!
As you can see there is good progress on the transfers. I will PM those who have expressed interest and I will also flag it up on the site when they are ready.
As for time off this is a 30 minute a day build, mainly while the paint dries. I hope the blog is a good guide.
Yes, it's an excellent guide. :thumbsup:
:thankyousign:
Hi Gang,
This project is coming on well...I have done nothing to my single driving car yet.....but I'll be looking for a set of decals for an FGW set...
Later,
Stu from EGDL.
Last draft of the transfer set arrived this morning. Once I have checked them I will be committing to have them printed. I will put a post up soon on the final cost per set of 5 coached made up of two ends and three middle coaches. There are enough spares and duplicates to give everyone a good chance of getting a very good result and there are variations as the originals have changed over time. The Hull logos are substitutions for the sides and all the Hull numbers are included. (This print is degraded to avoid copying)
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What paint did you use for the First blue top coat?
Halfords Vauxhall Atlantis Blue and it is a very close match.
As its an aerosol can, you need the undercoat surface to be perfect as the topcoat spray needs to be a one pass - no touch-up!
Hmmm... Supply of Vauxhall paint in the US, probably not.
Looks like I'll be getting the local DIY store to mix me some '010385', at least that's the hex code listed on Wiki.
Every so often I stumble across a thread that makes my eyes pop out and leaves me insanely jealous of someone's modelling ability. Well this is one of those threads! Not my era, or indeed my interest, but the range of skills shown is simply stunning :thumbsup:
Keep the photos and reports coming, that 180 is going to look fabulous and I personally can't wait to see a video of it in action (hint, hint!)
Now for the tricky bit.
I have painted the roofs and the top of the nose. As you will see I have still a millimeter or two of the yellow to cover, however, I will not paint this until I have fitted the front windows.
The windows will need to be back painted transparency as they are like modern car windows glued in place with a black border. You will see there are molding lines to the full extent of the windows as the windows are much wider that the openings.
Just to complicate matters the windows are curved in two dimensions.
As for modelling ability Its just Age. Age means I have done it before and learned and Age has taught me to be patient. :)
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That really is lovely work!
Cheers, Mike
The windows are quite complicated and need quite a few stages to make. the idea is that the last thing I will do is curl them slightly, however, before that I have to fully detail them and prepare the opening so they just drop in clean and they are done.
The wipers are scribe lines and then washed with paint. This has the effect and wont get damaged in the future.
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Hi,
Windscreen work inspired , really looking forward to the finished set.
Being cheeky any chance of the dimensions of the windows ... save my grey matter when the time comes, and as you say patience and having got it wrong before -and worked out how to correct errors is one of the cumulative skills that make great modelers.
Robert
Its a trial fit, and as the body is 3D printed they are all the same fortunately. What I might do is scan it and add x:y scales so it can be printed out and cut as a template. I need to paint the edges and when I do this it will be easier to scan.
If you know the sizes from the 3D model then you could print the windows on OHP transparency (and include the surrounds and windscreen wiper as part of the print) - that should be flexible enough to curve correctly.
Cheers, Mike
Really great modelling here, looking forward to seeing the complete set. Given the amazing standards so far, I presume the wipers will actually sweep too?
Overhead transparency is good but usually coated and if not coated the adhesion by laser printing or ink jet is poor. I could print it by dye sublimation but this only allows single sided printing and for these windows two sided is necessary.
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A bit less reflection of room lights on this shot.
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That is stunning.
Yep, that's coming on nicely. The paint job looks great. Windows are very neatly done too. It's going to be stunning with the decals.
Laser cut windows. The acrylic has a plastic film on both faces to protect them from the fumes caused by the laser and they get peeled off as the windows are glued in place.
96 windows is going to take a while :)
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It's coming on very nicely!!!
Will them windows you should offer the bloke on shape ways some windows (either as an exchange) or for sale so he could sell the complete kits and make yourself a few pennies in the process!!
I will be selling them with the transfer sets :D
And back into my box :-[
Have never really been convinced at the finish off allot of 3D printed stuff I've seen before but this looks great. Big :thumbsup:
Rich
Quote from: RST on June 24, 2016, 10:39:24 PM
Have never really been convinced at the finish off allot of 3D printed stuff I've seen before but this looks great. Big :thumbsup:
Rich
The secret is don't use files and sandpaper. I use a thick fiberglass pen and use a burnishing movement, both on the 3D print and on each coat of primer, of which there should be many. You need to clear fine details that can get lost and again the fiberglass pen and the point of a scalpel are the best tools.
It takes time. :D
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96 windows later, they are all in. I now need to let the glue cure. I ended up using the canopy glue "Glue 'n' Glaze by Deluxe Materials.
The advantage of this glue is that on the acrylic windows any smudges, when dry, can be removed with a sharp cocktail stick.
A few more areas to paint and I will be ready for transfers, which are being printed next week.
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Not my modelling era so not very familiar with the prototype but it looks a fabulous job so far.
I am really looking forward to seeing the finished model.
Roy
Fantastic. Loving those windows :thumbsup:
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love your work and effort, did try to watch the video bit it is private ;).
Try it now
Looking really great, can't wait to see the neon lines on there now.
Well done.
Cheers, Timmo
Very impressive, can't wait to see it with the transfers in place
Just out of interest, does anyone know if Grand Central markings are available anywhere ?
Quote from: koyli55002 on June 27, 2016, 08:49:26 AM
Just out of interest, does anyone know if Grand Central markings are available anywhere ?
See my earlier post. The logos are available and the orange band would not be suitable for a transfer anyway, but is easily masked and painted.
Just in from the transfer company. I think they have been put on a fan heater as it was a close color.
There are still a few adjustments, and these transfers are not fixed so the edges are showing, but they are looking good.
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Hi
The best bet for GC coach logos is Precsion lables D24 - L , £9.99 per website, orange is the same as the cantrail stripe - I was going to either spray or use the Fox Orange stripe in the Jaffa livery pack for LSE emus.
Robert
A quick update.
The transfers are being printed this week (in Tasmania) and I should have them by the end of the month. I will post as soon as I have details and costs.
Just arrived by email overnight. These are photos of the final transfer set.
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Here they are applied to a paint sample I sent which is Halford's Vauxhall Atlantis Blue. Note the lower two are the correct ones, the top two were a white balance test.
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Quote from: Snowwolflair on July 18, 2016, 10:15:35 AM
Just arrived by email overnight. These are photos of the final transfer set.
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Here they are applied to a paint sample I sent which is Halford's Vauxhall Atlantis Blue. Note the lower two are the correct ones, the top two were a white balance test.
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Hi
Very nice. I assume you will be having spares printed. When I have done artwork for custom transfers in the past I tend to put three of each item on the sheet to allow for disasters.
Cheers
Paul
Everything except the big logos are duplicated, especially the small fiddly bits, and there are items only on the end coaches that appear on each coach strip and vice versa.
So plenty of spares. :)
I have just had the final production costs confirmed and the transfer sets will be £45 for a five coach set.
I will also be making laser cut perspex side windows and door windows at £12 for a five coach set.
These will be sent in cardboard backed envelopes.
Can I have any further expressions of interest by the 1st August.
Count me in for transfers and windows.....
Thank you, I will be PMing everyone who have made requests once the transfers arrive here.
The transfers have arrived :claphappy:
I'm going to take a few days to check they are OK and then I will be in touch with those that have requested sets.
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In process shot, first transfers drying, but I'm already more than impressed by the quality of the transfer and how they look. It going to take a few days to do them all allowing for proper drying.
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The colours look much better than the Dapol Mk3s to me...
Cheers, Timmo
Vauxhall Atlantis Blue 8)
Halfords do a spray can
Yes, but was referring to the transfer colours ;)
Cheers, Timmo
A lot of work went into the transfers and they are color adjusted to the background color.
Wessex Transfers in Tasmania have the art of it :thumbsup:
They look great, the DapolDapol ones have no colour depth. Well done you and those in Taz.
Cheers Timmo
Fantastic. Love it.
And thanks for sharing the where-with-all to follow suit... that's what this forum is all about. Awesome stuff.
Very impressive, many thanks for sharing.
It never ceases to amaze me of the skill of some of the folks on here and what they achieve, not my scene but they look fantastic. :thumbsup:
The transfers look very good. A bit fiddly as some of the items are very small but the effect is very realistic. There are a few minor adjustments needed but nothing a sharp scalpel wont fix. Once I mat varnish the roof it will be complete.
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That looks the business alright. Great work. :thumbsup: :claphappy: 8)
Excellent work, very impressed.
In the original order, which material did you choose, the prices range from reasonable to OUCH!, so curious which you went for?
Cheers Timmo
NB to Admins: Tank knows about this :)
I have now received the Adelante First Great Western and First Hull transfers and the completed model in First Great Western in in my latest post.
The set does a five car set in First Great Western or First Hull. If you would like a set the cost will be £45 for a 5 car set of transfers. In addition I am laser cutting in Perspex side windows and door windows to go with the Shapeway prints at £12 for sufficient for a five car set.
If you would like a transfer set or windows please make payment to my PayPal account (or directly to me) at the address DJAC@calderwoodhan.com and send me an email to this address giving the following.
Your forum name and your username on that forum so I know who you are
PayPal transaction number so I can match up the payment
Full postal name and address
What and how many of each item you wish.
Transfer only will be shipped immediately and if windows are ordered they will take a few extra days as I will cut them to order.
I only have a limited number of transfer sets (currently 23). those of you who have already requested have been PMed.
David
First batch in the post tomorrow. :thumbsup:
A quick note on fitting the Perspex windows.
when the laser cuts the perspex the walls are sloped. They are cut to fit a painted window opening, so you can edge with black and then glue in the window with canopy clear adhesive.
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NB the perspex has a plastic film to protect the surface from glue which can be picked off with tweezers.
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Hi all, everyone who requested transfer sets in advance have had sets sent out. I still have a few sets left so if anyone else wants a set now is the time to let me know.
thanks
David :)
Mine just arrived. Lovely job. Can't wait to get back to modeling and use them!
Thank you!
I have been playing around with a scanner and a 3D printer with the objective of producing cab ends for a set of Glasgow Caledonian Blue Class 303 electric units. I used to live next to their Hyndland depot.
Here is where I have got to.
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This is an output file from a digital prober.
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And this is the output from a 3D printer. Note the step sizes are 0.01mm and the fringing effect is due to the printer and will be less at a higher resolution.
I have a set of draft vinyl side artworks from Adam Warr and hopefully I might persuade him to resurrect his Class 303 project.
N.B. The ends can be printed in clear plastic
Looking good......the 303's wouldn't be my scene, but I think they may make a good starting point for a 124 Trans-Pennine ?
Here is a better version - slightly larger to match a Farish Mk1 coach body. The printing lines can be removed with a fiberglass scratch pen.
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Hi David;
I'd be very interested in these if Adam got his decals sorted for the Cass 303. However, my modelling scene would be later units without the wrap round windows (I know that I could fill these in) and the refurbished units with headlights and without the headcode box....any chance???
Later;
Stu from EGDL.
Quote from: Only Me on October 10, 2016, 08:52:47 AM
Quote from: Snowwolflair on October 09, 2016, 11:41:31 PM
Here is a better version - slightly larger to match a Farish Mk1 coach body. The printing lines can be removed with a fiberglass scratch pen.
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Morning David! That looks very very good. Do you think if you changed the print orientation the lines would then be more easily removable if they appeared across the Y axis instead, so that they end up being horizontal?
Just a thought
Regards Paul
The orientation does not matter as the lines are circular, like the height line on an OS map.
The final versions will be printed at twice this resolution - at 50 micron - but my resin is old and too thick to do this reliably. At this point I am using the old resin for tests on the dimension so I can figure out the best coach bodies to use etc.
This print is at 50 micron and you can see the improvement in the lines but the print is less distinct with the old resin. Mind you its the size of a thumb nail and the eye does not see most of what the camera sees.
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Will you be putting these up for sale ?
Would definitely be in the running for a couple of sets....................
Adam Warr at Electra Graphics has already prepared a trial set of vinyls for a previous 303 project but could not source the cab ends. Adam has been laid low but i'm hoping that if I can make the ends available he might resurrect the project at some point.
My plan is to make very good masters (no lines and smooth) from which I can create a mold for resin casting. I am also experimenting with clear 3D printing resin to allow transparent windows, but they are harder to get the surface quality.
So yes they might very well be available, but a bit of work to do yet.
I want to build some Glasgow "Blue Trains" :D
looking forward to more about the Glasgow units david
Loving the Adelante model, looks amazing
Quote from: crewearpley40 on May 19, 2019, 01:51:39 PM
looking forward to more about the Glasgow units david
CAD
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Build
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I saw this running last Saturday at the club running afternoon it looked very very nice David still has one or two things to sort out regarding weight etc but it really looked good .and ran well .
Not my cup of coffee but still appreciate a fantastic bit of modelling when I see it . He also showed us one of the other models he has on the workbench the G W R Great Bear and he showed me how he can scale down and get everything sorted out for the C A D drawings ,it really was interesting but way beyond my capabilities .
Bob Tidbury
By the way the Berkshire N Gauge Group are a really friendly bunch of guys so if you live in the Reading area why not get in touch with them They do have a web site and would wellcome new members .They meet at Sindlesham Baptist Church Hall I believe it's on a Wednesday evening .I wish I had a car and lived nearer and I would join .but I'm only a guest at running days .
Over the next month I am going to revisit this model and build a second unit. Since I assembled the original unit electrically conducting magnetic couplings have become available and this will be a far better method to use on this model. Prints are on order and I will start in a few weeks. For anyone interested I still have sets of the Dynamic lines transfers specifically to fit the Adelante available.
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Are they the Peho 4-pole couplings? They do look interesting.
Yes they are and as I have had a few to play with I am very impressed.
Very interested, I hope you'll put the new build on here too.
Cheers, Timmo
Quote from: pape_timmo on June 27, 2020, 12:01:34 AM
Very interested, I hope you'll put the new build on here too.
Cheers, Timmo
Yes as a description of the upgrade to the chassis design.
My plan is to build the new one with the better electrical connections and bogies, and then refurbish the original model with the new wiring and new bogies.
The designer has a set of bogies listed on Shapeways which I have asked him to list in Black PA12 Nylon 3D material. They were listed in High detail plastic but that materiel wears very quickly if used for bogies and the PA12 is much better, and was not available when I did the first build.
I have a particular fondness for the Adelante class as I used to travel weekly to London on them.
As a passenger I think they had a nice environment, for crew they were a pig as I understand. Good when they worked. Terrible otherwise. Had a tendency to burst into flames at any moment too in the earlier years.
Looking forward to seeing your progress.
By the time they were operating the Oxford to Paddington off peak express service Oxford-Reading-Slough-Paddington just before they were withdrawn they were fine and as you say were very comfortable for passengers.
Having experienced the GC ones - good interior best of the bunch after a MK3. But mechanically and electrically a woeful mess - if they worked then it did seem more luck than design, Heaton did their best and Crofton has tried as well. sometimes sets would run for days well and others bare get off depot before limping back on. The idea of coupling them together was a joke as they did not work and crews not trained/ lost competence, In the need several sets were repaired for a period when attempted to couple to Hull Trains ones - but they are now 802s so that is that.
Great model after much faffing my shells in WSF - as was are now in black and orange but more to do.
Robert
Quote from: pape_timmo on June 27, 2020, 12:28:04 AM
Had a tendency to burst into flames at any moment too in the earlier years.
And later years too - Hull Trains had the fire brigade out more than once
And lets not forget the time one of them decided to dump the contents of its fuel tanks on the track north of Peterborough and block the ECML for hours on end
Quote from: robert shrives on June 27, 2020, 04:56:59 AM
In the need several sets were repaired for a period when attempted to couple to Hull Trains ones - but they are now 802s so that is that.
In the last year you could really tell the Hull Trains ones were knackered and not being looked after - when they first had them and OOC was still looking after them they were cracking kit from my perspective as a passenger.
In the later years, no heating in winter and blankets being given out... whoever thought that was acceptable should have been shot!
All the parts have now arrived and I will start to build over the next week. I did have one problem as the Class 170 Farish coach bogie frames are no longer available. There is a nice set of bogies from CMAC on Shapeways but whilst they look very good they are very scale in dimensions and consequently weak so for display rather than use. For this reason I have generated a set of robust bogies based on the correct bogie style but giving running strength.
I am just reaming out the bearings and they look as if they will fit the bill.
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Here are the parts that will make up the new couplings. They are NEM pockets so other types of coupling could also be used. the main problem was the power coach as I did not want to attach them to the bogies as they are polythene and almost impossible to add pockets to.
The solution is a simple pivot. This is where desktop 3D printing comes into its own, allowing small technical parts to be made quickly and easily.
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That is a neat solution - I had thought of using micro trains units between cars but now the hunt magnetic offers better choice. I do like the powered car coupler mount allowing chassis freedom, but limiting end to end movement.
I do wonder if coupler supports need a mm or more as corridor connections look dead tight.
A little while back I added fine mesh to inside of chassis and painted black. Current 170s give an Olympian leap sized gap so these are a vast improvement.
happy modelling
Robert
The trick is to ream the inside of the loops. every 0.1mm reamed gives 0.3mm spacing improvement so I will adjust just enough.
Today I tested and fitted the swing arms for the couplings. I have gone for as tight a coupling as possible and the arms can be trimmed in fractions to get the best fit. As you can see it is a close fit and better than I expected.
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Test run with the new couplings.
As you can see I have reworked my original model to prove the new couplings. I will now take my time to prepare and build the new model.
That looks brilliant.
Cheers, Timmo
Does look the part that, nicely done.
Some progress with the second set. At the block colour stage. Black roofs and details next than I need to sort out the transfers and varnish.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/97/3761-300720113156.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=97618)
Been a while as I waited for a new set of transfers to be printed.
The windows have been laser cut (they still have their protective polyethene), and I will glue them in place over the next few days.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/99/3761-031020211055.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=99976)
All glazed
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/100/3761-041020212122.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=100018)
looking really good
:beers: