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Late 1950s Regional Maps
« on: October 07, 2018, 11:00:32 am »
Does anyone know a source (preferably free) of railway maps of each region for the late 1950s?
They don't need to be superdetailed but I would like to see the boundaries and major towns/cities featured. The main reason for asking is that, with my layout being built loosely "in Oxfordshire" so I can run trains from 4 regions, I'd like to create imaginary workers trains running from, say, the SR north border towns, to the car plant at Cowley (purely fictional) and the like.
The maps themselves would be of interest to me anyway.
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Re: Late 1950s Regional Maps
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2018, 11:06:32 am »
I've viewed quite a few OS maps for free?  :hmmm:
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Re: Late 1950s Regional Maps
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2018, 11:31:11 am »
The National library of Scotland has a huge variety of maps available.
https://maps.nls.uk but I don't think they have any from 19650.

Though since you are fictional what the problem?

As to boundaries,  there weren't any as such,  all you can do is look at where the lines lead.. As there was much overlap,  and some lines were transferred within that time.



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Re: Late 1950s Regional Maps
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2018, 11:52:57 am »
 :oopssign: Thanks for spotting the typo in the title which has now been corrected :-[


Though since you are fictional what the problem?

As to boundaries,  there weren't any as such,  all you can do is look at where the lines lead.. As there was much overlap,  and some lines were transferred within that time.



Although fictional I'd like some degree of 'possible realism'. For instance, in the example I cited I'd like something along the lines of a 22xx hauling 3 SR green coaches (suburbans/Bulleids/MK1s) bringing labour from a local town (situated in the SR division) to Cowley.
Freight is pretty much an 'anything goes' area really but passenger trains are a bit more of a minefield.

I'm totally ignorant of what lines ran to Oxford from towns outside the WR region and therefore would like some sort of reference. I'll have to investigate this site when I have more time........
http://www.railmaponline.com/UKIEMap.php


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Re: Late 1950s Regional Maps
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2018, 12:24:57 pm »
Does this help at all?
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GWR_map.jpg
I havenít investigated further to see if there are similar maps for the other regions.
If it looks right then it most probably is right.


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Re: Late 1950s Regional Maps
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2018, 12:33:23 pm »
Thanks, Martin. That provides some help. I never knew the WR had such access to places like Winchester and Weymouth :dunce:
Now to try and find a SR version of the same.........
The ER is no issue as everything (?) came across the Varsity Line but the LMR is another grey area for me I need to know more about regarding connections into Oxfordshire

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Re: Late 1950s Regional Maps
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2018, 12:33:30 pm »
If it looks right then it most probably is right.


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Re: Late 1950s Regional Maps
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2018, 01:43:47 pm »
The Railways Of Great Britain - A Historical Atlas by the late Colonel M.H.Cobb is very good. It is very pricey at £420 + p&p

http://www.railwaysofgreatbritain.com/the-atlas

The first two volume version was published by Ian Allen in 2003 for £120. Second hand copies of this are rare and also expensive


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Draw up a list of books you want to see, and make an appointment. All the books will be ordered up from storage ready for your appointment. Check with the individual library on their policy, but I've taken pics with my phone of books in the Bodleian.
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Re: Late 1950s Regional Maps
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2018, 02:28:05 pm »
Ian Allan have published two railway map books over the years that I know of.

 British Railways Pre-grouping Atlas and Gazetteer (fp 1976 - mine is 5th ed 1980). Hard Back.
 ISBN 0 7110 0320 3

and

 Sectional Maps of British Railways as at January 1982. (p 1982). Soft Back.
 ISBN 0 7110 1257 1

The second is a slightly larger format - roughly A4 against A5 -  of the former with basically the same map sections but with the closed lines coloured differently to those still open. They are still tagged with the pre-gouping company ownership.

If it would help I can scan those pages that would be of use and PM them to you - if it is possible to do that?

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Re: Late 1950s Regional Maps
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2018, 05:31:22 pm »
Thanks for all the replies so far. Sadly I cannot afford £420 for a book. That's 3 locos or 4 Farish coaches! ( :laugh:) Likewise, for what I want from my model a trip to Oxford is a trip too far and London is right out.
I'm OK with freights and mainline passenger workings. It's more the mundane stuff I want to get my head round, and it may be better I start a list then just ask the collective about them.

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Re: Late 1950s Regional Maps
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2018, 09:07:30 am »
LMS from 1961



Not LMS But LMR, LMS Lines to Bristol and their through carriages which ran over the MSWJR to Southampton are missing from an LMR map by this time.

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Re: Late 1950s Regional Maps
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2018, 02:14:38 pm »
Hello Mick.

Have you seen the 5-page article about Oxford in the May 2005 issue of "Steam World" ?

It includes a map of Oxford within the BR regional boundaries as of 1/1/55.

I have a copy. PM me if you're interested.

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Re: Late 1950s Regional Maps
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2018, 02:58:36 pm »
@joe cassidy
Thanks very much for the offer, Joe, but I have sourced the maps I need. However, @Caz may well be interested.
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