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Offline Chris Morris

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Re: TINGS 2018 - personal observation
« Reply #105 on: September 16, 2018, 06:47:01 pm »
If you are planning to visit TINGS from a long distance you should consider going to the exhibition at Swindon Steam Museum as well. This is an excellent museum and well worth a visit. The model railway exhibition which is usually the same weekend as TINGS has an interesting mix of layouts in all scales. You could do one day at each show. They are about an hour and a half drive apart. It would make for a grand weekend.

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Re: TINGS 2018 - personal observation
« Reply #106 on: September 16, 2018, 06:49:06 pm »
I feel honoured when people photo my layouts and think they are worthefgorts are worth posting on social media.

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Re: TINGS 2018 - personal observation
« Reply #107 on: September 16, 2018, 06:50:24 pm »
njee20 sums up exhibitions for me. Why go along to see something less than good (his car show analogy is perfect), which is surely not what exhibiting is about? You may not feel you can achieve what you see on show but it should inspire you to try to do better, surely? Otherwise we’d all go home and get out an oval of track and any old stuff and think that was perfect.....

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Re: TINGS 2018 - personal observation
« Reply #108 on: September 16, 2018, 07:43:03 pm »
If I go to a car show I’d want to see gleaming examples of vehicles, not a Fiesta with a dented wing and dirty wheels, even if that’s normal. If I watch sport I want to see the pinnacle, not people putting in a performance that I think “I could do that”.

Slightly missing the point of my post I feel...

Ancient, shabby, worn out, poor running, dingy trainsets don't have a place in the modern exhibition. A properly thought out, nicely presented, well operated layout using basic off the shelf stock and materials that is "achievable" by the average modeller absolutely does. - It is that type of layout that is most likely to inspire and encourage newcomers to the hobby...

I don't think anyone is advocating the inclusion of the layout equivalent of your "Fiesta with a dented wing and dirty wheels".
To continue the analogy, my point is that the show shouldn't be full solely of "Rolls-Royces" or "Ferarris" few could hope to ever own, and ideally should also include a well presented "gleaming showroom condition Fiesta" which is achievable by someone with average resources and skills...

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Re: TINGS 2018 - personal observation
« Reply #109 on: September 16, 2018, 08:13:57 pm »
Yep, fair enough, it was a tongue in cheek comment. I wouldn't want to see Fiestas in any condition personally, but luckily we're not all the same ;-)

I still contest which would attract newcomers though, I know of people being inspired far more by the exceptional than the mundane.

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Re: TINGS 2018 - personal observation
« Reply #110 on: September 17, 2018, 09:38:18 am »
As a very late addendum to the above I considered that maybe my point was misunderstood.

I'm not suggesting that every layout has to have scratch built stock, hand built pointwork and nothing RTR in sight (the Rolls-Royce to continue that increasingly tortured analogy) for it to qualify for my wholly subjective 'excellent'. I like those things though - Atlantic Road is excellent for it's variety of interesting stock.

I'm absolutely fine with everything being RTR, Peco trackwork etc, it's all in the execution for me (that immaculate Fiesta). I don't want to draw on specific examples of layouts that didn't quite hit the mark for me (I'm not saying they're bad, or that I could do better, or anything of that ilk) because I don't think that's fair. But a lot of it is specifically doing things better than I can - that is the appeal, and what I was trying to convey with my examples on cars and sport.

Now... I have little skill when it comes to actually building a layout, but I can (and I seek to) compose an accurate train, so for me when I see something unprototypical it's a let down. Selective compression is fine - 36 HAAs is a long train, even a 2+8 HST is quite long, but if I see 1970s Freightliner wagons with a 66 on the front, that will disengage me. If I think to specific layouts that have impressed me greatly I think of Horseley Fields, Northallerton (albeit not seen in the flesh yet) and whatever Vonzack's club layout is called because I liked that one! Nothing to do with the presence of Ben/Kirky/Vonzack, just great layouts!

That is wholly subjective though as I've said, and why I would never say there are "bad" layouts, nor that exhibitions should comprise nothing but large club layouts, because I'm aware I have but one opinion which isn't unanimous. When having a discussion with a friend last week there's a size aspect too, which I feel TINGS fell foul of. Because of the things I like in a layout I usually like them quite large. Not to say I don't enjoy a shunting plank, but the layouts that hold my attention most are usually those that are bigger than I have at home. I suspect driven in part by Meridienne's policy of not paying generous expenses TINGS seemed to attract quite a lot of layouts that are either modular or fit in one car - up to 8'x3' ish. Again, nothing wrong with that - but I do like a nice big layout with the scale length trains it affords; it comes back to that "I can't do this at home" thing - I don't have 20', so I enjoy the layouts that do.

Just me two penneth.

TL:DR - I appraise layouts against my own benchmark, but I want to see stuff bigger and better than I can do. I accept that not everyone's the same.


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Re: TINGS 2018 - personal observation
« Reply #111 on: September 17, 2018, 09:38:44 am »
Like P L D ,  I didn’t mean really old decrepid layouts but it is nice to see some average layouts ,I visit PENDON  MUSEUM on a regular basis and I know I will never ever in my life build something like that ,and agree that I go there to be inspired BUT I also go to many shows throughout the country and see lots of layouts from excellent to those that quite honestly are not fit to be seen . It’s the inbetween layouts that I was referring to that new people could see and those that I think would encourage newcomers to the hobby .
I helped a fellow member at a show a few years ago and as soon as he saw a youngster he would say to us here comes a V I P which was a signal to get THOMAS AND ANNIE AND CLARABELL out of their siding and give them a run you should see the kids faces light up ,and this was on a very good serious type of layout ,unfortunately my memory fails me and I can’t remember the name of the operator or layout .
I also remember going to Risborough Show one year and there was a huge O gauge show ,the scenery was amazing so was the sound effects of the seagulls and the waves ,BUT we stood there for about ten minutes nothing moved ,then a bell went ding ding and the operator put down his paper and an engine moved out of the shed to the water tower ,the operator sat down and read his paper again ,the bell went ding ding and the engine backed onto the train ,the operator sat down and started reading his paper again , My  late mate Cyril asked him when the train was going to go down to the other end of the thirty odd feet ,the reply after he looked at his watch was about another fifteen minutes ,.
That is the only time I ever heard Cyril swear ,he told the guy that he had seen the layout as the Center fold in the Modelers and payed good money to see this layout and was really annoyed ,the guy said that’s tough luck we run to the original timetable with the correct loco ,the correct coaches etc etc ,Cyril and his daughter voted a small round roundly German layout as the best in the show as the operator answered al their questions and there was something moving .nearly all the time.
Bob Tidbury

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Re: TINGS 2018 - personal observation
« Reply #112 on: September 17, 2018, 11:59:46 am »
I think we're all agreeing - that's just frustrating when layouts are like that!

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Re: TINGS 2018 - personal observation
« Reply #113 on: September 17, 2018, 12:11:41 pm »
I may have mentioned this already elsewhere but I think a good barometer of layout quality can be the non-modeller. At TINGS my wife looked at each layout, some like Melton Mowbray North she watched for a while and commented on how good it was, she also liked Wenlock because of it's quality of modelling and importantly, although small and end to end something was always happening.

A good number of others she rolled her eyes at for a variety of reasons, lack of action, unfinished, lack of credibility and/or realism. I also wonder why there has to be a modular layout each year - is it a way to fill a big space cheaply?


Roy


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Re: TINGS 2018 - personal observation
« Reply #114 on: September 17, 2018, 12:29:43 pm »
I have to admit I’m not one for modular layouts, but I sort of understand why some people like them. To me they are nearly always lots of disharmonious bits with random stock, which is not my bag. I prefer something that keeps to one era, even if the regions are a bit blurred, and one country..... The bigger they get the less I like them. At some shows it’s the smaller layouts that attract me more if they are done well, but on the whole I prefer something that I couldn’t build at home

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Re: TINGS 2018 - personal observation
« Reply #115 on: September 17, 2018, 12:44:57 pm »
I also wonder why there has to be a modular layout each year - is it a way to fill a big space cheaply?

Well I see it as part of keeping at least one UK show involved with the International N Gauge Association Network - INGA-Net - of which the N Gauge Society is still a member as far as I know?  So  some of the european guys are invited over here, and it tends to be the Germans and Austrians who are best placed to organize an exhibit.

A British contingent go over to the N Scale Convention where many of the international societies get together.

It's certainly not cheap - it's cost me a few hundred each time I've taken my layout over, even when sharing expenses with others.
Nick.   2016 celebrating the 20th anniversary of "Königshafen" exhibition layout!

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Re: TINGS 2018 - personal observation
« Reply #116 on: September 17, 2018, 05:59:39 pm »

A British contingent go over to the N Scale Convention where many of the international societies get together.



As a regular part of the British contingent, I'd back Nick's comments.  And you should have seen considerable consistency between modules on the European modular layout on display.  The full N-Club International specification tries to ensure that adjacent modules are the same in character, and although this doesn't totally work, there is usually a 'family' likeness.  At TINGS, about 20' or so of the modules came from a single owner, so they all fitted together perfectly - and the modelling on them is excellent.

As a member of a modular club, I'd better defend such layouts.  They're not everyone's cup of tea - personally I do prefer a perfectly modelled branch line with an occasional service - but for us as a club without a full time clubroom, they allow us to set up a large running night fairly easily.  We can then all run our full length trains that don't fit on our home layouts.

A couple of weeks ago, we took a layout to the Gaugemaster show.  This was very well received, especially with families, as we were keeping trains moving all the time.  I'm afraid that we run it to 'Rule 1' and like a typical club night, so we have bullet trains, TEEs, USA goods and all eras of UK trains passing through a GWR junction station served by flying bananas.  Some people (no names) may walk by, but many enjoy the spectacle.

I've enjoyed this thread, and if nothing else it has confirmed that we're all different!  One perspective missing is that of the exhibition manager.  From experience, sometimes a visiting layout drops out (always for a good reason), and you need to bring in a substitute.  This may not be quite up to the standard one would wish, but it's better than a large gap.  Also, in a club, rather than commercial, show, I like to give the members a chance to exhibit.  We have been lucky in having good layouts from our members, but sometimes it might be good to encourage someone to improve - and to learn about exhibiting - by letting them show their work.

Hope that all makes sense, and see you at TINGS or NGSE or any other show soon!  Jon

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Re: TINGS 2018 - personal observation
« Reply #117 on: September 18, 2018, 11:36:35 pm »

The N market is very small in the hobby - only just above niche really. We are very lucky to have a couple of traders supporting in a major way and even luckier that modellers have chosen to offer there products to others to  make our life easier - and almost certainly not theirs! 


Firstly - great to meet you all on Saturday, my first TINGS, I really enyoyed it!

Second - just picking up on this quote - does anyone know or have estimates of how many N gauge modellers there are in UK? And Rest of World? Perhaps N-gauge society members might know? Retailers also may know based on new product Launches and likely sales ?
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