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Author Topic: Dapol (re)announce HST Protype train - open for pre-orders  (Read 1963 times)

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Re: Dapol (re)announce HST Protype train - open for pre-orders
« Reply #60 on: September 19, 2018, 11:24:48 am »
Are they tooling specifically for these coaches? Given the compromises on loco hauled versus HST mk3s and the 'standard' buffet offering that seems very surprising on a model of dubious profitability anyway.

Could be drop in variation tooling to change details which is a lot cheaper

The profile of the slam doors is different, so I would think that completely new tooling would be required.

The alternative if the quantities are small is to soft-tool which is again a lot less cost, but very limited tool life.

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Re: Dapol (re)announce HST Protype train - open for pre-orders
« Reply #61 on: September 19, 2018, 11:39:31 am »
Are they tooling specifically for these coaches? Given the compromises on loco hauled versus HST mk3s and the 'standard' buffet offering that seems very surprising on a model of dubious profitability anyway.

Could be drop in variation tooling to change details which is a lot cheaper

The profile of the slam doors is different, so I would think that completely new tooling would be required.

And the window frames are different I know, plus they've got the ro-vac roof vents like the mk3a, but have they actually said they're tooling for it?

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Re: Dapol (re)announce HST Protype train - open for pre-orders
« Reply #62 on: September 19, 2018, 11:41:36 am »
And the window frames are different I know, plus they've got the ro-vac roof vents like the mk3a, but have they actually said they're tooling for it?

They said when they announced it the first time that it would be new tooling.

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Re: Dapol (re)announce HST Protype train - open for pre-orders
« Reply #63 on: September 19, 2018, 06:56:13 pm »
From the coach page on the Dapol website:

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Power cars:
• Operating lighting (inclusive of rear lamp, which can be overridden by a switch & DCC Control)
• Flush Glazing
• Highly detailed body, chassis and bogies.
• NEM coupling pockets with Rapido and Ezi-shunt magnetic couplings inclusive.
• DCC Ready (NEXT 18)
• All wheel pick-up
• Super-creep motor (Dummy car is un-motorised)
• Available as two-car sets (1 x Motorised & 1 x Dummy)
• Power Car Pack 1: Prototype passenger livery (DMBs: 41001 & 41002)
• Power Car Pack 2: Departmental (overall yellow ends DMBs: 975812 & 975813)

Coaches:
• New Tooling
• Recessed door handles
• Without window bezels
• Loco-Hauled type roof
• Without CDL indicator blister
• Buffers • Light-bar ready
• Fitted pickups
• NEM Coupling pockets
• Accessory pack.
• Available as 2 x 4 car sets • Saloon Pack 1 Contents: 2 x TF (11000, 11001) and 2 x TS (12000, 12001)
• Saloon Pack 2Contents: 2 x TF (11002, 11003) and 2 x TS (12002, 12003)

We have examined the possibility closely of producing the catering vehicles, and have taken the decision to produce these as a separate 2 car pack based on our existing Mk3 catering car and decorated in matching HST-P livery, but without any tooling modifications. Therefore the catering pack will be:

• Dapol Mk3 Buffet car in matching HST-P livery
• Lightbar ready
• Two car Buffet Pack containing 10000 as Trailer Buffet (TRSB) and 10100 as Trailer Kitchen (TRUK)

Therefore in order to own a full HST-P set you will need the following:
• 1 x 2D-027-xxx (Power cars) - Choose desired livery
• 1 x 2P-007-001 (Saloon pack 1)
• 1 x 2P-007-002 (Saloon pack 2)
• 1 x 2P-007-003 (Buffet pack)

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Re: Dapol (re)announce HST Protype train - open for pre-orders
« Reply #64 on: September 19, 2018, 07:32:14 pm »
Cool, wonder if they’ll make a running change to the roofs on the relevant local hauled coaches.

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Re: Dapol (re)announce HST Protype train - open for pre-orders
« Reply #65 on: September 19, 2018, 07:42:28 pm »
Cool, wonder if they’ll make a running change to the roofs on the relevant local hauled coaches.

Don't have any pictures to hand, but as I recall the prototype coaches and the Mk3as aren't the same - something about the roof hatches I think?

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Re: Dapol (re)announce HST Protype train - open for pre-orders
« Reply #66 on: September 19, 2018, 08:14:42 pm »
No idea if they’re identical, but they’re closer to the mk3a than the current offering. Both have 3 rovac vents as opposed to the single central one.

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Re: Dapol (re)announce HST Protype train - open for pre-orders
« Reply #67 on: October 07, 2018, 11:02:01 pm »
Hope all can clear a few things up, are all the coach packs the same livery just different coach numbers?

Regarding the power cars 2D-027-001 the part yellow front and 2D-027-002 the full yellow front version?

I have emailed Dapol to ask however they have not got back to me surprise surprise.

 

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