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Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2018, 01:21:36 am »
I am looking to get plywood for a new setup (first go) and looking at what my wood merchant stocks he has about 4 types of plywood, including soft pine plywood, brazilian hardwood ply, and marine plywood. Most in 9mm or 12mm, but the marine in 12mm only.

Can I ask why you chose the marine and what it's like to drill through and cut?

I am looking at a basic 160cm x 90cm rectangle then some edges sticking up for back and side board to landscape up to.

The basic differences between marine and standard plywood is the quality of the veneer and the type of adhesive used to stick the plys together. In marine the glue is "waterproof" and in theory you shouldn't get any voids or knotholes. Therefore the cuts and holes should be cleaner.

But for a train layout ordinary ply is more than adequate, just my over-engineering nature. It is certainly no harder to work with than ordinary ply when you take to it with a jigsaw, Dremel or drill. My backboards for example are very thin standard ply.

For the size layout you are talking about you wouldn't need really thick ply. Plywood is quite flexible (the whole point of it really) and 12mm won't flex too much but I would still recommend a supporting frame (simple pine would work) because if you try to move it, even a metre of 12mm will flex a bit, which might see your hard work twisting and turning out of whack. And, a frame below will offer some space between board and table for wiring, etc.

Having said all of that MDF is cheaper, stiffer, and a lot more workable, so long as you are not going to get it damp at all.

Good luck
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Points, points, and points
« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2018, 06:20:21 am »
The past week has been dedicated to finishing off the point motors, which has been a mix of satisfaction and frustration. However, apart from one set, where the points themselves need changing, it is all done (out front at any rate, the fiddle yard is for another day).



Those little blacks lumps are showing up all over the place, none so obvious as the yards. I got 18 motors in total and had fitted about 14 of them and that's when the wheels fell off. It was all smooth sailing, but then the second last controller was refusing to play ball, no matter what I tried. Basically the motors were only offering a sad little whirr, and no push or pull. I tried everything, switched over the controller, switched over the motors, switched over the extension cables and even changed the power source! No dice.

Eventually through a long and tedious period of testing, and climbing in and under the boards I got the culprit (and at 6' 2" I detest being under the layout). Faulty extension cables. But a whole pack of them, not just one! So, when I switched out the extension cables, I was replacing faulty with faulty - doh! Once I finally moved to a cable that came from a different pack it all became clear.

Experience with the Concept SS over a week, is a cautious positive. They are not too noisy, they do what they say they are going to do, the setup process is simple, they mesh well with my ECOS DCC, and they look OK (or will do after a bit of tittivation). However, they are very fiddly (both screws and connectors are tiny for my eyes anyhow), the plug requires a biggish hole in the baseboard, probably need glue to hold them on plaster cloth, and the controllers reset when the line is shut down, so the first press or two after re-power does not kick in. All in all a good solution though for my setup.

You might be able to see an omission on the yards, there is one point motor missing. Unfortunately, due to the tracks I can't fit the motor as it is blocked by another motor on the mainline. Will require some innovative thinking that my brain has yet to offer (probably a bent tie rod, hopefully)

I also ripped up a couple of sections that were just not quite right and relaid them. One of the beauties of trying to put flat rail on sometimes lumpy terrain. However, now everything is running relatively smoothly, including the full wye.

He inches ever closer to being able to start the fun stuff!

Bolsover Market Sq. and Pit is coming along




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Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2018, 07:43:13 am »
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Looking great.

I'm 5' 7" and I hate working under the boards too. Getting down ain't so bad, it's the getting back up that's the challenge!

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Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
« Reply #63 on: September 10, 2018, 09:13:35 am »
Thanks for the progress report. It's looking very good.

I try anything to not get under the layout as I could end up like a turtle on it's back :-[

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Re: Points, points, and points
« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2018, 09:23:37 am »
Eventually through a long and tedious period of testing, and climbing in and under the boards I got the culprit (and at 6' 2" I detest being under the layout). Faulty extension cables. But a whole pack of them, not just one! So, when I switched out the extension cables, I was replacing faulty with faulty - doh! Once I finally moved to a cable that came from a different pack it all became clear.

What an amazingly irritating fault-finding session that must have been.  Great work in tracking down the unlikely culprit - one faulty new cable is happenstance, two is a coincidence, but a whole pack is

And your layout looks lovely; absolutely tickety-boo.


Best wishes.

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« Reply #65 on: September 12, 2018, 02:15:48 pm »
So with Bolsover coming along in Market Place and the Pit it seemed fitting that they deserved a station in keeping with the burgeoning prosperity of a coal town. Not one to shirk my civic duty I began construction of platforms, firstly by templating the area in paper.



Once I jumped in it was surprisingly easy to build something of the desired shape using the Metcalfe platform kit. Not perfect, but pretty close for a first attempt. Of course, needs a bit of aging, but at least the small town can now get on to Chesterfield and further afield if need be. Not sure about the bit that abuts the tunnel. In reality this would probably not be designed this way,so there probably isn't a neat way to finish this off. I suspect it would normally push up against a brick retaining wall that would form part of the tunnel entrance structure. Ce la vie.



I also got hold of the station news stand mini kit, also from Metcalfe. I must say as my first mini kit I was a little disappointed. At GBP4 it was exceedingly tiny in its proportions. One laser cut card about 3 inch sq to be exact. The instructions were bigger than all the components of the kit by about three times. Never mind, it took all of ten minutes to stick together and it adds a little bit of pizazz. Though unsure I would pony up for another one in the series.





Still need to do the brick wall at the back of the station.

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Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
« Reply #66 on: September 12, 2018, 04:29:06 pm »
Great progress and the Metcalfe kits look really nicely done. As you mentioned, a little weathering can make a difference.

I get what you mean about the mini kits but when comparing with alternatives, they are, IMHO quite good. I also have their kiosk as well as a cricket pavillion (as a garden centre shop!) and the picnic tables and brollies for the pub garden.

Sadly, I am far from the capabilities of the talented @rogerdB when it comes to modelling so am grateful for the little bits you can buy that add some life to my layout.  :)

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Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
« Reply #67 on: September 13, 2018, 08:20:38 am »
I do enjoy this layout, thank you for continuing updates.

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Not sure about the bit that abuts the tunnel. In reality this would probably not be designed this way,so there probably isn't a neat way to finish this off. I suspect it would normally push up against a brick retaining wall that would form part of the tunnel entrance structure. Ce la vie.

I see what you mean but I also see it would be a pain to fit the platform up close to the tunnel....

How would it look simply filling the gap with vegetation? You could even put a small fence on the end? If you would rather give the impression it was supposed to be there rather than over grown, perhaps add some paint dots to suggest flowers?

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Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
« Reply #68 on: September 13, 2018, 08:26:57 am »
That station looks really good. Youve made a great job of it.
As for the end of the platform near the tunnel mouth. I think Id add a set of steps so that track workers can gain access to track level. It would need a bit of fencing and some vegetation I think. Easy to build using coffee stirrers. Just my thoughts.
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Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
« Reply #69 on: September 13, 2018, 08:51:15 am »
Looking brilliant!

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Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
« Reply #70 on: September 13, 2018, 11:13:38 am »
That station looks really good. Youve made a great job of it.
As for the end of the platform near the tunnel mouth. I think Id add a set of steps so that track workers can gain access to track level. It would need a bit of fencing and some vegetation I think. Easy to build using coffee stirrers. Just my thoughts.

I see what you mean but I also see it would be a pain to fit the platform up close to the tunnel....

How would it look simply filling the gap with vegetation? You could even put a small fence on the end? If you would rather give the impression it was supposed to be there rather than over grown, perhaps add some paint dots to suggest flowers?

I like both ideas. The steps are ideal for tunnel access and other general maintenance, and then a little vegetation to soften the obvious retaining corner. It will eventually need a bit of stuff spotted around the retaining in any event, along with grime.


 

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