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Author Topic: Crowdfunding BR (SR) West Country / Battle of Britain Classes  (Read 815 times)

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Having seen the responses to my suggestion of crowd funding a generic King Arthur / S15 loco, there appears to be even more hunger for those Bulleids which I doubt we will ever see from Dapol.  When Dapol  first mooted their planned BoB / WC  locos, I had my name down for five of them immediately.  I am sure I'm not the only one either!  Sooo disappointed.   What say you ladies and gents? Worth a punt?

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Re: Crowdfunding BR (SR) West Country / Battle of Britain Classes
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2018, 08:55:55 pm »
Nice thought but not likely to be a successful punt IMHO.
By the way, your Facebook and YouTube links don't work for me??
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Re: Crowdfunding BR (SR) West Country / Battle of Britain Classes
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2018, 08:56:34 pm »
Iím not a fan of crowd funding. Maybe itís just a bit alien to my way of thinking (I guess Iím a bit set in my ways).
But.....a BB or WC would be appealing.
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Re: Crowdfunding BR (SR) West Country / Battle of Britain Classes
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2018, 09:02:40 pm »
I agree that an N Gauge BoB/WC would be a strong contender for crowdfunding. I did ask Dapol whether they would be interested in a commission on that basis but got no response. Other parties are no doubt reluctant to risk Dapol queering the pitch by reviving their project in the same manner as the Class 50.

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Re: Crowdfunding BR (SR) West Country / Battle of Britain Classes
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2018, 09:24:41 pm »
Nice thought but not likely to be a successful punt IMHO.
By the way, your Facebook and YouTube links don't work for me??
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Interestingly my FB and YT links don't work for me either! Twitter seems OK though.  Checked my usernames and they're fine...... ??????

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Re: Crowdfunding BR (SR) West Country / Battle of Britain Classes
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2018, 09:56:06 pm »
I'd go for almost any way of getting a BoB. If it makes Dapol extract their digit then I'd be sorry for the other method but at least I might get one in my lifetime!

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Re: Crowdfunding BR (SR) West Country / Battle of Britain Classes
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2018, 10:06:46 pm »
I agree that an N Gauge BoB/WC would be a strong contender for crowdfunding. I did ask Dapol whether they would be interested in a commission on that basis but got no response. Other parties are no doubt reluctant to risk Dapol queering the pitch by reviving their project in the same manner as the Class 50.

So let's make enough noise to get Dapol to revisit their decision! After all the BoB is a transition era model, in service until 1967, suits long expresses as well as short remnants of the ACE on West Country branchlines, is good for both Southern and Western Region layouts, has several liveries/eras and has plenty of preserved examples for both heritage layouts as well as main line registered examples for modern era fans... I would sign up for 3 or 4 whether through crowdfunding or through Dapol!

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Re: Crowdfunding BR (SR) West Country / Battle of Britain Classes
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2018, 10:35:36 pm »
+1 here. :beers:
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Re: Crowdfunding BR (SR) West Country / Battle of Britain Classes
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2018, 06:33:10 am »
Still have mine on pre-order but would be very interested.
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Re: Crowdfunding BR (SR) West Country / Battle of Britain Classes
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2018, 07:03:49 am »
Lovely idea, and I'd put my hand in my wallet for five at the drop of a hat, but Dapol's silent threat will ensure this is a non-starter forever.

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Re: Crowdfunding BR (SR) West Country / Battle of Britain Classes
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2018, 07:38:25 am »
Dapol's looming presence is a big issue but that's not insurmountable. A genuine crowdfunded project would be fully customer-funded up front, leaving the project manager with no financial risk in the event that Dapol get off the pot. But who would step up to run it? Farish and Dapol don't step on each other's feet, the smaller N Gauge specialists appear fully committed elsewhere and the big retailers have richer pickings in OO. 

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Re: Crowdfunding BR (SR) West Country / Battle of Britain Classes
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2018, 08:48:49 am »
I was going to buy a Dapol light Pacfic so if one came from another source, I would be happy to acquire from that instead. Put me down for one air-smoothed BoB/WC in late crest livery. They are always excellent locos for those who want a big Pacific on a short train. Is this shot of Hawkinge the ultimate in motive power overkill?

Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

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Re: Crowdfunding BR (SR) West Country / Battle of Britain Classes
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2018, 08:54:32 am »
That is one very short train!

Lovely loco, though.  :thumbsup:
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Re: Crowdfunding BR (SR) West Country / Battle of Britain Classes
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2018, 01:57:39 pm »
I had pre-ordered seven - all BR liveried smooth or rebuilt, early and late crest/early and late tenders, because they are classic for my era and location.

I am now re-numbering Chinese production MN rebuilds as WC/BB rebuilds as stand-ins, plus running three old Bachfar spam cans, all with replacement front bogies and retrofitted tender pickups.

In contrast, I only have two MN streamlined and desperately wait for Bachfar to do the rebuilt versions!

So put me down for three streamlined and four rebuilt WC/BBs, please.

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Re: Crowdfunding BR (SR) West Country / Battle of Britain Classes
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2018, 11:47:13 am »
I mentioned this topic on the Dapol BoB/WC forum and a Mr Jeremiah Bunyan makes the following points which sum up the manufacturer's position on crowdfunding:

"Crowdfunding is something that I've suggested to Dapol on quite a few occasions regarding a Class 87, Class 90 and Mk.3 Sleeper. Their response was sensible and straightforward, Dapol don't do crowdfunding because they are not comfortable asking customers for money upfront and they aren't comfortable holding onto customer's money.

Crowdfunding may seem straightforward, but it's more complex than it seems, each crowdfunding campaign has different T&C's based on the situation and environment. There's many risks involved too and recently a manufacturer had issues where many fake expressions and orders were created.

And to conclude, yes it's good to know that people are willing to crowdfund the model, but what are the numbers we're talking about here? In such a scenario one needs to sell more than 1000 models just to recoup the cost of development, are there enough of people to order 1000+ locos. 1000 is just an approximate and it could be more just to keep the RRP at a sensible level.

There's also another predicament:-

- If Dapol were to release the BoB/WC as a general release item, Dapol can periodically release locomotives over a span of a few years and recoup their investment. This is more sensible and easier on the pocket for us modelers who keep complaining about price rises.

- If Dapol were to release the BoB/WC as a crowdfunded model, then just to drum up lots of sales they'll have to offer as many names/numbers/variations as possible so that they maximize their sales, and the catch to that is that they'll have to only go ahead with models that have crossed the minimum batch numbers. Eg: RevolutioN are struggling to get interest for a few liveries in the Class 320/321, yet others have a lot of interest. The ones with low interest have impacted the project quite a bit. "

 

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