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Assistance with some Etched Pixels kits...
« on: February 28, 2018, 11:16:23 pm »
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Having been watching and waiting for Etched Pixels to get his house in order (literally!), I recently ordered and have now received: 1 x LMS X-Fish kits & 2 x LMS Six Wheel CCT kits.

I knew they were etched brass overlays on a 3D printed body, to be fitted onto a Stove-R chassis (bought 3 some time back when I first found the Etched Pixels kits), but...

...whilst I realised I wasn't going to get a set of instruction like a Airfix kit, I did kinda assume that there would be some guide to assembly, i.e. which layers go on top of which layers, etc. It appears you just get the brass etchings and the white 3D bodies.

Please understand, I'm not complaining.

What I could do with help with is:

1. Which layers go on which or will it be reasonably self-evident?

2. Do I need to do anything to the 3D print prior to assembly?

3. What adhesive is best suited to this task?

4. Once assembled, which primer would people suggest, and which paint?

    4a. Can you get small spray cans?

5. Where can I find livery/colour-scheme details?

6. What decals should they carry, and where can I obtain them?

Sorry for the multitude of questions, I'd like to make a good job of these. I'm used to kits with fiddly bits, having done plastic, resin, white metal over the years, but not used to absolutely no guidance. I'm hoping someone on here has been here before.

Ta!

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Re: Assistance with some Etched Pixels kits...
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2018, 07:23:07 am »
Blimey. that's a few points !

Can help you on 3 points Tamiya do 100ml spray cans

For primer I use pound shop cans  in gray or bauxite.
Cheap as chips and pretty good

Are the trucks to be LMS or ex LMS used by British Railways ?
Either way Fox Transfers should have suitable decals.
see website for illustrations.

Good luck with construction.

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Re: Assistance with some Etched Pixels kits...
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2018, 07:53:54 pm »
Further to my first post on this subject, I have clarified some aspects.

They will be crimson lake with black ends (I have found photograhic evidence that this is how they left Wolverton Works) and in LMS livery.

So painting and livery is kinda sorted. I reckon I can probably, with a little dry assembly trial-and-error, fathom out the order of overlays.

I could still do with some pointers on prepping the 3D print, and what adhesive would suit brass-to-3D assembly.

If anyone can steer me on this that'd be great.

I'm going to tag @EtchedPixels to see if he's got a few minutes to expound some wisdom.

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Re: Assistance with some Etched Pixels kits...
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2018, 09:15:16 pm »
I got instructions with my CCT from EP, I could scan and email if @EtchedPixels doesn't object?

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Re: Assistance with some Etched Pixels kits...
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2018, 09:49:26 pm »
I got instructions with my CCT from EP, I could scan and email if @EtchedPixels doesn't object?


I suspect it may have been a minor oversight brought on by his recent house move/restoration project!

Here's hoping he can help, or authorise you to provide a copy!

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Re: Assistance with some Etched Pixels kits...
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2018, 11:08:59 pm »
1. Which layers go on which or will it be reasonably self-evident?


I haven't built those particular kits but when I built the GWR milk brake kit I found it fairly straightforward to work out what went where once I had a picture of the prototype in front of me.

2. Do I need to do anything to the 3D print prior to assembly?


Scrub with a toothbrush and plenty of warm soapy water. Some 3D prints (although not all) have a sort of waxy residue left on them that can affect painting if you do not. Some 3D prints need sanding with fine 600 grade wet & dry paper to remove the striations left by the printing process. Again this turned out not to be necessary in the case of my last etched pixels kit as the overlays provide the final surface.

3. What adhesive is best suited to this task?


Superglue does the trick very well in my experience. I would opt for the gel kind as it take a little longer to set which gives you time to fine tune the position of the sides. Regular superglue seems to set even faster than normal on 3D printed plastic (although that may just be my imagination).

4. Once assembled, which primer would people suggest, and which paint?


Halfords grey primer if you are doing LMS crimson lake.

    4a. Can you get small spray cans?


Yes but in my experience it usually seems to be a false economy. Small aerosols like Railmatch are still very expensive and tend to clog up quickly or run out of propellant. I actually prefer to use Halfords car paint as the quality ofgboth the paint and the aerosols themselves are much higher.

The range of paints is so wide it is normally not hard to find a good match. Ford or Vauxhall Burgundy Red should be a pretty good match for LMS crimson lake. Here is an ex-GWR full brake I painted in BR Maroon using Burgundy Red and the finished result was pretty good after a coat of matt varnish. I am not an expert on LMS liveries but I am given to understand that Crimson Lake and BR Maroon were pretty much the same.



5. Where can I find livery/colour-scheme details?


A bit of research may be required. I am always cautious of using preserved vehicles but at least it makes a start.

http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=777

The LMS carriage trust also has several books on the subject.

http://lmsca.org.uk/lms-coaches/books-lms-coaches/

6. What decals should they carry, and where can I obtain them?


You will need to find photos of the prototype to be sure. I am a GWR man rather than LMS so you are a bit on your own here. I have used the following sources of transfers and found them very satisfactory.

Fox: Good range and widely available.
Modelmaster: Their all-in-one lining transfers are easier to use than the Fox ones in my experience.
Cambridge Custom Transfers: Fill some of the blanks in the above ranges. I got my Milk Brake transfers here.
Railtec: Steve will do custom work at a very reasonable price so if none of the above have what you need, he may be able to help. The only downside is that he has been a bit of a victim of his own success and often has a waiting list of several weeks for commissions.
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

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Re: Assistance with some Etched Pixels kits...
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2018, 02:18:10 am »
Just to add on the painting, I personally find Enamel paints easier to work with than Acrylics, but hopefully someone who uses acrylics will be along and tell us they are easier and explain how.  Acrylics dry quicker and are less smelly and can be washed with water, but like I say I can't get along with them.

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Re: Assistance with some Etched Pixels kits...
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2018, 09:15:22 am »
Top man @Karhedron that's filled in most of the blanks. I was steering toward superglue, but was concerned about instant stick, hadn't thought about the gel version.

Top tip on the Halfords paint.

I've been scouring t'internet but there seems to be very few pictures of 6 wheel vans, those that do exist are of them after 're-assignment' to tool vans and the like. I've also been searching Fox for the correct lettering, the only description I've found so far on the web of livery just said 'crimson lake with yellow lettering'. I suspect I may have to try and get some custom 'Fish' transfers.

Enough to be getting on with though, thanks for everyone's help.

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Re: Assistance with some Etched Pixels kits...
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2018, 08:43:33 pm »
:helpneededsign:

Having been watching and waiting for Etched Pixels to get his house in order (literally!), I recently ordered and have now received: 1 x LMS X-Fish kits & 2 x LMS Six Wheel CCT kits.

I knew they were etched brass overlays on a 3D printed body, to be fitted onto a Stove-R chassis (bought 3 some time back when I first found the Etched Pixels kits), but...

...whilst I realised I wasn't going to get a set of instruction like a Airfix kit, I did kinda assume that there would be some guide to assembly, i.e. which layers go on top of which layers, etc. It appears you just get the brass etchings and the white 3D bodies.

Please understand, I'm not complaining.

What I could do with help with is:

1. Which layers go on which or will it be reasonably self-evident?

2. Do I need to do anything to the 3D print prior to assembly?

3. What adhesive is best suited to this task?

4. Once assembled, which primer would people suggest, and which paint?

    4a. Can you get small spray cans?

5. Where can I find livery/colour-scheme details?

6. What decals should they carry, and where can I obtain them?

Sorry for the multitude of questions, I'd like to make a good job of these. I'm used to kits with fiddly bits, having done plastic, resin, white metal over the years, but not used to absolutely no guidance. I'm hoping someone on here has been here before.

Ta!

 :thankyousign:

I did email you the instructions when I sent the kits. Seems email systems can;t tell instructions from spam. I can try again if you want

For glue I use evostick to attach etched to 3D print or plastics - it gives a bit more so won't crack over time if the model gets hot and cold. Someone (possibly Mr Hedges) did suggest using photomount type sprays.

On the paints - I'd agree for most liveries that are various close car paints and there's no reason to believe that LMS crimson lake didn't fake, get mixed in slighly differing shades etc.  Even in the BR blue era paint fade was a big problem and coach roofs came in a good half dozen shades.

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Re: Assistance with some Etched Pixels kits...
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2018, 09:21:56 pm »
@EtchedPixels thanks for the response, if you could re-send the instructions that'd be grand.

I'll keep an eye on all my 'folders'.

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Re: Assistance with some Etched Pixels kits...
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2018, 09:14:19 pm »
Did you get them ok ?
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Re: Assistance with some Etched Pixels kits...
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2018, 09:40:31 pm »
They arrived sometime today, only just logged on.

Thanks very much for re-sending.

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