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Author Topic: MDS Modell RhB models  (Read 3980 times)

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Re: MDS Modell RhB models
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2018, 06:00:35 am »
quote @Metroman64 :
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UK shipping is €18.50.


This appears to be a typo. As mentioned earlier by me on this thread, and I checked the detail this morning on Kramm's website, postage to Great Britain (sic) is €13.50.

This makes it the cheapest of the three current sources for the MDS models, MDS themselves, Menzels Lokshuppen, and Kramm.

Note previous posts here about availability.
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Re: MDS Modell RhB models
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2018, 07:22:35 pm »
A separate thread has been started here:-

(...)

It will, of course, die in much the same way as the MDS-Modell one has.


The MDS thread has now officially been resurrected!  :angel:

I am certain that if there's something relevant to post then people will continue to post here ... ;)


It seems that the MDS Ge 4/4 II has now been released in Germany - photos have been posted today:
http://modellbahn-schweiz.net/mds-rhb-ge-4-4-ii-thusis/

I don't know the prototype and have only compared these photos with some ebay photos of the Kato Ge, but I think that I would prefer the MDS one. The detailing seems better to me than the Kato's - but as it is more expensive it also should be.

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Re: MDS Modell RhB models
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2018, 07:44:59 pm »
Thanks for posting the link @Hiawatha  :thumbsup:

And the rest. ;)

This is one of the two all red Mk II's that should be available about now, with the other locos from MDS set to be released, I have been told by them, at the end of March.

It certainly looks better than the Kato model, despite the use of a rather clunky looking panto.

I look forward to having one of each arrive soon so I can do a hands-on comparison and track test, and next month I'll be awaiting delivery of the goods wagons. Being pretty useless at scratchbuilding and the like it will be nice to have some quality manufactured RhB goods at last. :claphappy:
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Re: MDS Modell RhB models
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2018, 09:56:58 pm »
For info, here is a Google translation of the detail from the link Hiawatha posted above:

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Gunnar Müller, founder and owner of the company MDS, is no stranger to the model railway scene. Long stretches of his previous professional career have already taken him to different model railway manufacturers. In short - Gunnar Müller knows what he is doing ... His first own work is the Ge 4/4 II of the Swiss RhB a true universal locomotive, still to be found today before all possible types of RhB train. The model is held in scale 1 to 150, so the locomotive can be easily used on standard 9 mm rails. With this choice, MDS complements the product range launched by KATO for several years. The model is available under the order number MDS 60001 from specialist dealers. For digitizing two exchange boards will be available. Under the article number 60000.00 it will be a "driving decoder" and under the article number 60000.01 a "driving / sound decoder", already recorded with an attractive sound file. The locomotive features LED lighting of the top signals, changing from three times white to two times red in the direction of travel. Propulsion is ensured by a high-torque bell armature motor. The first steps on the test system were very, very promising.
A detailed test follows.

I shall keep an eye out for the detailed test results. :thumbsup:
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Re: MDS Modell RhB models
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2018, 11:33:35 pm »

It certainly looks better than the Kato model, despite the use of a rather clunky looking panto.

The modern RhB single arm pantographs tend to look 'clunky' on all models - even Bemo - as they are very large and somewhat out of proportion to the smaller RhB locos even in real life. If one looks at the locos, the pantograph is almost 1/3 the size of the loco itself, which is not the case on the standard gauge equivalent the SBB Re4/4II, where the pantograph is only about 1/5 the size of the loco.
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Re: MDS Modell RhB models
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2018, 11:34:49 pm »
The thing that I wonder about the most from pictures is if the black window surround is too prominent
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Re: MDS Modell RhB models
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2018, 05:50:50 am »
Thanks Gordon, looking at photos of th wreak thing, intake you really point about the pantos. Perhaps if MDS had used metal for them they would have looked better.

The thing that I wonder about the most from pictures is if the black window surround is too prominent


Again looking at photos, given the scale I think the surrounds look reasonable, though the window 'glass' has the usual problem that plastic windows can have on many models, making the windows look too prominent, if that's the right word.

Photo from Flickr, accredited to chrchr_75



All in all, I will be happy to have a couple of these in my fleet.
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Re: MDS Modell RhB models
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2018, 10:54:48 am »
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The locomotive features LED lighting of the top signals, changing from three times white to two times red in the direction of travel.

Are two red taillights correct for the RhB? I vaguely remembered that Swiss locos use just one white light as the taillight and have just tried to find if this was correct only for the SBB.
I have found some info dating from 2003 that the RhB does not use two red lights, only one (right-hand side) white as the loco taillight when pulling a train (lighting between loco and rake) or right-hand side red as the train-end signal when pushing a push-pull train or as light engine. This was information given by the RhB in 2003, so maybe regulations have changed in the meantime - or is the model lighting incorrect (wouldn't be the only one)?

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Re: MDS Modell RhB models
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2018, 11:08:27 am »
Interesting question.

I found this series of posts on another Forum from 2004. The SIXTH post down appears to have the most simple answer from a poster in Chur, but that was in 2004, so things may have changed since then. Other links to explore on the page too.

http://www.rhb-grischun.ca/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=267

Hopefully an answer will be forthcoming about the current state.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2018, 11:09:51 am by daffy, Reason: Oops,! Error corrected »
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Re: MDS Modell RhB models
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2018, 11:22:28 am »
The thing that I wonder about the most from pictures is if the black window surround is too prominent

The whole windows on the MDS one look 'horrible' compared with the Kato model. It looks as if the MDS model has some sort of double glazing.

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Re: MDS Modell RhB models
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2018, 11:34:25 am »
The thing that I wonder about the most from pictures is if the black window surround is too prominent


The whole windows on the MDS one look 'horrible' compared with the Kato model. It looks as if the MDS model has some sort of double glazing.

steve


I have to agree with you there Steve. Kato do get their windows glass right.


Re the lights question, RMWeb discussed this last summer, and detail in the FOURTH post on this page is worth noting for its origin:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/124370-rhb-locomotive-lights-which-lights-and-when/
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Re: MDS Modell RhB models
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2018, 12:36:03 pm »
So, the sources all basically say the same: one white or one red (or no taillight at all!) - but not two red!  :hmmm:

Have to agree with the windows - especially the windscreens look strange on the MDS. I first thought that this should simulate a second window pane with a heating element as it was fitted on some early electrics. But the Ge 4/4 II doesn't seem so equipped.
On the other hand, the engine room windows with "view" look better than on the Kato. The corner windows have a bit of a magnifying-glass effect on both models.

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Re: MDS Modell RhB models
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2018, 01:21:24 pm »
To those who have been in touch with various retailers of MDS-Modells, is the charge mentioned a single charge to cover a whole order, say a dozen or so wagons or is it a charge per wagon? It makes a difference! Instance  Plaza Japan take the postage of the most expensive item and then add $3 per subsequent item. I'm wondering just how our European friends work it.

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Re: MDS Modell RhB models
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2018, 05:14:34 pm »
It's for an order - at Kramm €13.50 for up to 30 kgs which are quite a few wagons ... ;)

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Re: MDS Modell RhB models
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2018, 08:35:56 am »
Have ordered my MDS through Kramm , all wagons and one sound equipped GE 4/4 11

 

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