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Re: DJ Models class 17 Clayton
« Reply #60 on: February 06, 2018, 08:19:46 pm »

Just checked and you can order


N Gauge N17-007T D8616 BR Green SYWP (powered) + D8561 BR Green SYWP (Dummy) Twin Pack - £149.95


That's unfortunate.  These little beasts had two different control systems depending on who built them.  8616 was Beyer Peacock built (blue star) and 8561 was Clayton (red diamond).  The only time they would have run together was when one had failed and was being dragged to works for attention by the other. (Which happened rather a lot with Class 17s.)

Perhaps this is something that would be worth dropping a PM to Dave about, in order he can possibly change the number before it's too late, if that's the case?

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Re: DJ Models class 17 Clayton
« Reply #61 on: February 07, 2018, 09:21:52 am »
Just checked and you can order
N Gauge N17-007T D8616 BR Green SYWP (powered) + D8561 BR Green SYWP (Dummy) Twin Pack - £149.95

That's unfortunate.  These little beasts had two different control systems depending on who built them.  8616 was Beyer Peacock built (blue star) and 8561 was Clayton (red diamond).  The only time they would have run together was when one had failed and was being dragged to works for attention by the other. (Which happened rather a lot with Class 17s.)


A red-diamond and blue-star could be used together to haul a train but they'd each need a driver - just as with double heading a train with steam locos.


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Re: DJ Models class 17 Clayton
« Reply #62 on: February 07, 2018, 01:19:12 pm »

A red-diamond and blue-star could be used together to haul a train but they'd each need a driver - just as with double heading a train with steam locos.

Steven B.

I read last night that when Claytons were used in pairs on the Waverley Route they were often double-manned even when they had compatible control equipment, which probably wiped out the cost savings from dieselisation.  At the time (mid 1960s) British Rail was trying to make a financial case for closing the line.  Hmmm.

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Re: DJ Models class 17 Clayton
« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2018, 10:42:32 am »

Just checked and you can order


N Gauge N17-007T D8616 BR Green SYWP (powered) + D8561 BR Green SYWP (Dummy) Twin Pack - £149.95


That's unfortunate.  These little beasts had two different control systems depending on who built them.  8616 was Beyer Peacock built (blue star) and 8561 was Clayton (red diamond).  The only time they would have run together was when one had failed and was being dragged to works for attention by the other. (Which happened rather a lot with Class 17s.)

That is what has been widely documented in books (and Wikipedia). When built they were all were red diamond, however a number were converted to blue star multiple working to allow them to work with other classes of locomotives. The only way to check is which type of multiple working thay had is through photographic evidence of the date/time you are modelling.

The pictures below substantiate this

Here's a picture of Clayton built D8539 on Polmadie shed on 10th August 1969 with Blue Star multiple working


 
And here is a picture of D8600 (Beyer Peacock built) with Red Diamond multiple working at Glasgow works July 1970



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Re: DJ Models class 17 Clayton
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2018, 11:46:48 am »
DJ invoices are out this morning, looking forward to progress.

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Re: DJ Models class 17 Clayton
« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2018, 11:51:39 am »


That is what has been widely documented in books (and Wikipedia). When built they were all were red diamond, however a number were converted to blue star multiple working to allow them to work with other classes of locomotives. The only way to check is which type of multiple working thay had is through photographic evidence of the date/time you are modelling.



Thanks for that, happy to be corrected.  The Clayton saga just gets worse and worse.  Built with a non-standard MW system, then the expense of converting them to blue star, and scrapped shortly afterwards. Poor taxpayers :(

Richard

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Re: DJ Models class 17 Clayton
« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2018, 12:56:35 pm »
Having non-standard multiple working equipment (i.e. not the most common Blue-Star) isn't grounds for failure of a class:

A class 60 can only work in multiple with other class 60s. Similarly with class 50s. A class 56 could work in multiple with other clas 56s or a 58 but nothing else.

Some classes such as the Westerns and many/most of the class 47s were never fitted with multiple working equipment but managed a successful working life.

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Re: DJ Models class 17 Clayton
« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2018, 01:04:49 pm »
DJ invoices are out this morning, looking forward to progress.

Got and paid mine  :bounce:

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Re: DJ Models class 17 Clayton
« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2018, 02:37:31 pm »
Received my invoice this afternoon and have paid also.
Looking forward to its rapid progress!

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Re: DJ Models class 17 Clayton
« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2018, 02:59:25 pm »
The 1966 Combined Volume shows 8500-8587 as red diamond and 8588-8616 as blue star.

I think it was always thus.

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Re: DJ Models class 17 Clayton
« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2018, 04:13:00 pm »
I'm aware that most of the Class were allocated to Scotland & NE England but a few were allocated to the Sheffield area.

I can't find any reference to them working south of Sheffield to the East Midlands (Nottingham/Leicester/Derby etc.). Does anyone have info that suggest that they were seen this far south?


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Re: DJ Models class 17 Clayton
« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2018, 04:49:18 pm »
I'm aware that most of the Class were allocated to Scotland & NE England but a few were allocated to the Sheffield area.

I can't find any reference to them working south of Sheffield to the East Midlands (Nottingham/Leicester/Derby etc.). Does anyone have info that suggest that they were seen this far south?

Allocated to Barrow Hill, so would have ventured onwards to Toton i’d Have imagined, possibly a lot further afield than that too.
For example, the RTC one went to lime street, and was based in Winsford for a while, so if you can find a picture of one at ‘derby your laughing I think.
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Re: DJ Models class 17 Clayton
« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2018, 06:01:32 pm »
Some were stored at Derby early on whilst being rectified at Claytons works, I believe.
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Re: DJ Models class 17 Clayton
« Reply #73 on: February 09, 2018, 06:19:04 pm »
My pair paid for today as well

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Re: DJ Models class 17 Clayton
« Reply #74 on: February 09, 2018, 06:20:46 pm »
They are everywhere now, washing machines, dustbins, fridges etc  :smiley-laughing:

 

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