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Re: Improvements for Farish loco's
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2018, 10:51:20 am »
And here's me thinking there is duplication  :-[
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Re: Improvements for Farish loco's
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2018, 11:12:12 am »
No one has said there is no duplication, merely that examples could be counted on the fingers of one hand (maybe two). The class 52 and class 66 immediately spring to mind. In the main, though, if you want a particular loco there is just the one source.

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Re: Improvements for Farish loco's
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2018, 11:35:45 am »
Apologies for the confusion!

I meant "not" - ie few models are duplicated, and if you want a model of x you will usually have to buy one or the other.

There are too many locos where there’s duplication,
Missing a NOT?

I've not seen Railwaygun post, but I'm also a Nick...  :hmmm:

Sorry, no comprende. Makes sense to me!  ???

I tend to agree with Nick (Railwaygun) in that it should read "There are too many locos where there's no duplication"

I've not seen Railwaygun post, but I'm also a Nick...  :hmmm:

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Re: Improvements for Farish loco's
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2018, 12:16:46 pm »
Apologies for the confusion!

I meant "not" - ie few models are duplicated, and if you want a model of x you will usually have to buy one or the other.

There are too many locos where there’s duplication,
Missing a NOT?

I've not seen Railwaygun post, but I'm also a Nick...  :hmmm:

Sorry, no comprende. Makes sense to me!  ???

I tend to agree with Nick (Railwaygun) in that it should read "There are too many locos where there's no duplication"

I've not seen Railwaygun post, but I'm also a Nick...  :hmmm:

Good to know that, apart from getting Railwaygun and NinOz confused, I haven't completely lost the plot. Thanks.

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Re: Improvements for Farish loco's
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2018, 01:17:53 pm »
There are too many locos where there’s duplication,
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Sorry, no comprende. Makes sense to me!  ???

I tend to agree with Nick (Railwaygun) in that it should read "There are too many locos where there's no duplication"

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Re: Improvements for Farish loco's
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2018, 01:30:27 pm »
Good to know that, apart from getting Railwaygun and NinOz confused, I haven't completely lost the plot. Thanks.
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Re: Improvements for Farish loco's
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2018, 07:13:31 pm »
I haven't completely lost the plot. Thanks.

Does that mean that you have not completely lost the plot, or you have completely not lost the plot, or.........okay, I will put a knot in it!  :)
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Re: Improvements for Farish loco's
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2018, 09:21:01 pm »
I haven't completely lost the plot. Thanks.

Does that mean that you have not completely lost the plot, or you have completely not lost the plot, or.........okay, I will put a knot in it!  :)

David, I think you have lost the plot :laugh3:

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Re: Improvements for Farish loco's
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2018, 12:03:46 am »
Going back to earlier comments on this thread.  I dislike the prop shaft drive Dapol use on tender engines.  So apart from a Dapol  Brit, my B!s are Farish and I will not replace my Farish A3 and A4.  My Farish 66 burnt out twice so I have a Dapol version.  I stripped out the motor and gearing of the Farish so it is now a dummy.  I could not handle the fiddly strange coupling for the Farish Voyager so sold it on - I find the magnetic version on Dapol easier.  But in general terms I buy what suits my purpose whatever make it is.  In practice this has so far meant more Farish than Dapol - it has been how the cookie crumbled.  The Dapol 68 is superb - my  Scotrail version is now pulling the Fife Circle rake courtesy of Adam Warr's vinyl sides (on Farish Mk 2 air con coaches)

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Re: Improvements for Farish loco's
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2018, 10:17:41 am »
I have many Farish and Dapol items. On the whole I prefer the Farish items as they seem more reliable. Specifically the Farish 66 pulls more wagons than the Dapol one. It wouldnt matter if the layout I used didnt have incline, but it does and it makes a difference. Having said that, the Dapol Voyager works well even when its dragging a dummy. In terms of stock, we found that dapol wagons and coaches often need work on their couplings to make them more reliable - dapol mk 111s have been particularly difficult to keep together. We run some steel trains which have mixed rakes of dapol tiphook wagons, the Farish steel carriers and dapol ferry wagons. These can be most troublesome with breaks in the rakes often happening where a Dapol meets a Farish. We use tacky wax and this seems to cure all but the worst of culprits. We also run container trains which mix Dapol spines with other types of container wagon - we dont seem to get problems with these except for Dapol megafrets - these are the most finnicky of all wagons - way too light to run without a load and tiny tiny wheels. We often leave these in the stock boxes.
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Re: Improvements for Farish loco's
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2018, 10:20:01 am »
Very interesting response. Thanks for posting!  :thumbsup:
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Re: Improvements for Farish loco's
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2018, 11:03:06 am »
Recent experience suggests that Dapol steam tender engines are like the little girl in the poem, the one who had a little curl right in the middle of her forehead.  The good ones are very, very good; but when they are bad, they are horrid.

I could live with the aesthetics of the shaft drive between loco and tender, once there's a crew in the cab it helps divert the eye from the giant, black plastic, whirling cylinder.  It's more the fragile wires that take electricity from the loco pick-ups to the motor in the tender; easily broken, hard to replace.  Then, as I recently discovered the brass strips between the posts for the tender wires and the chassis don't seem to have any positive connection and are easily dislodged when trying to replace the aforesaid wires.  As an engineering solution it appears over complicated, difficult to make and un-reliable.

For the sake of balance, my problems seem limited to GWR 4-6-0 locos.  I've been very happy with the Dapol B1, A3 and 28xx locos I own.  Also happy with the various pannier tanks and diesels (Baby Warships, Westerns and Bubble Cars).

Graham Farish problems; all with steam locos.  A Bachmann Farish Black Five that shed it's bogie screw (repaired by the local shop where I bought it); a 3F with broken contact between loco and tender (loco replaced by the vendor); and a Fairburn tank with pick-up issues probably due to over-use and in the queue for repair when I work out how.

I've not yet had split gears in any of my diesels, although I've bought a few with split gears and repaired them easily.

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Re: Improvements for Farish loco's
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2018, 08:41:50 pm »
I think I have been lucky with Farish loco's over the years, I have only got two with split gears which I need to get fixed, one being a 3F and the other a Std 4 tank


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Re: Improvements for Farish loco's
« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2018, 10:09:03 pm »
No one has said there is no duplication, merely that examples could be counted on the fingers of one hand (maybe two). The class 52 and class 66 immediately spring to mind. In the main, though, if you want a particular loco there is just the one source.

Not sure I'd count the 52, to be honest - that's a case where (as with the HST) Dapol has produced a new model which will effectively supersede the ageing Farish model - it's unlikely that Farish will produce any more 52s or HSTs in future. Same will apply to the forthcoming Dapol Class 50.

The only ones I can think of where the two models are comparable are the Class 66, which is still in production by both - but the real locos are so ubiquitous, and there are so many liveries to go at, that this is probably viable.

Both have also produced Voyagers, but both models have their issues, and neither has been produced for a few years now - remains to be seen whether either do any more, or indeed whether one of them updates / replaces their model.

There aren't actually many diesel locos left now which haven't been done to modern standards. The Peak doesn't have lights and DCC socket, but is otherwise not a bad model so might possibly be modified at some point. There are plenty of multiple units - Dapol seem to stick to BR-era DMUs here, albeit with modern liveries included (the Voyager is the exception to this). Farish cover a wider range, including other modern units such as the 350. There are still a lot of units missing which would be useful to modern-day modellers - e.g. the 185 which is ubiquitous at many of the larger stations in the north.

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Re: Improvements for Farish loco's
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2018, 02:24:44 pm »
e.g. the 185 which is ubiquitous at many of the larger stations in the north.
I don't think the 185 has even been done in dublo yet has it? It must be the most obviously missing loco or unit for current time modellers of the North of England.
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