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Author Topic: DJ Models APT crowdfunding campaign  (Read 10130 times)

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Re: DJM APT-P
« Reply #60 on: November 27, 2017, 04:17:42 pm »
Apparently what I said was so good I repeated myself like watching +1 television channels. Lol

Apologies, not sure what I did, but I don’t want to delete the post in case it deletes the +1 version too. If you get my drift.

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Re: DJM APT-P
« Reply #61 on: November 27, 2017, 04:22:43 pm »
Dave

Your explanation matches what I understood.

Just one point. If you are factoring in Corporation Tax payments but not paying yourself a decent wage you need some accountancy advice. :-)
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Re: DJM APT-P
« Reply #62 on: November 27, 2017, 04:50:45 pm »
Gentlemen for the sake of accuracy (and to alay the DJM bitching) can I propose we rename this thread for accuracy as it is unfair to the commercial interests of Durham Trains of Stanley.

Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunder

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #63 on: November 27, 2017, 05:24:30 pm »
As it's 'my' topic I appear to be able to change the name, and have done so.

I won't call it a "crowdfunder" though, as that name really grates! Someone who backs the project could be said to be a crowdfunder, the project itself isn't!

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #64 on: November 27, 2017, 05:32:59 pm »
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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #65 on: November 27, 2017, 06:12:48 pm »
Dave

Your explanation matches what I understood.

Just one point. If you are factoring in Corporation Tax payments but not paying yourself a decent wage you need some accountancy advice. :-)

I'd second this. The cost of the advice will usually pay itself back many times over and if you're running on low enough profit that you don't want to take a wage you should be near zero in terms of corporation tax. You should at least be able to take the £680 a month you can pay yourself as an employee (if it's a Ltd company, you're an employee) without costing you or the company NI and offset that against corporation tax. (If you then want to re-invest that in the company, that's your own choice).

I know from experience that running a small business like this is like sitting in a shopping trolley at the top of a ski jump and giving yourself a push. So it can seem pretty manic despite a lot of it being large periods of "Hurry up and wait". Image is a huge deal though. (I suspect more so with this particular market as the customers are a bit more traditional), so I'd personally be a bit more careful with the "Only crowdfunded RTR" stuff. It doesn't matter how technically true it is, it's more about whether statements like that confuse the customers and make them more or less able to feel they trust the brand. Now's a good time to seriously harp on about the stuff they can see and buy (well done on those btw). :)

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #66 on: November 27, 2017, 06:18:40 pm »
@DJM Dave thanks very much for the insight and clarification, I apologise for my earlier statements which I wouldn't have committed to page knowing the full facts. I think your explanation was much needed and very welcome. I think all who have posted want to see more N gauge choice and range so here's hoping it comes together.

If I may be so bold as to ask if you've any idea on time frames (however long) for the N gauge J94? It's something I'm rather keen on, but if you're realistically talking another couple of years then I can spend my meagre spare cash (self-employed too, I feel your pain!) on something else in the meantime and re-save for the J94.

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #67 on: November 27, 2017, 06:55:22 pm »
Dave Jones, Your comprehensive post with explanations will surely go some way to alay misgivings /reservations.

This is what I'm sure many people wish for, an explanation and update on the projects you have announced and they may have expressed an interest in.

As somebody said whilst people continue to wait for any news/ the arrival of your projects, other stuff is coming along. Their attention could well swing towards these items with little or no updates from you.

I feel somewhat reassured after reading your lengthly post, and think it would be prudent of you to ensure people are kept aware of how your projects are progressing.

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #68 on: November 27, 2017, 09:39:05 pm »
@DJM Dave

A huge thanks for taking time off the mountain top to explain all that's going on (I've seen some of Dave's pics and they're awesome). Without having a go, all I'd say is that your post is long overdue as the info is just not there on your website and we, the members of this forum, are waiting for for the initially promised items in many cases (classes 17 and 23 + the J94) which, as per the 'Product Progress' on your website were announced 4 years ago. I appreciate sales of one fund the next but if you could update info a little more frequently it would help and also quieten the denigrators.

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #69 on: November 27, 2017, 10:52:02 pm »
Quick point of order: per above post, shouldn't this be moved out of DJM and just be under "Crowdfunding"?
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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #70 on: November 28, 2017, 10:40:23 am »
Great explanation Dave. Makes things very clear. Also agree about getting some accountancy advice :D

Much as I would like an APT-P, it's a little out of my league price-wise. Looking forward to the coming announcements though, plus further news on the 'N' J94 and the GWR Mogul. Gutted I missed out on the black mermaids - still, you snooze, you lose.

I hsincerely hope the APT-P is the success it deserves to be!
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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #72 on: November 28, 2017, 05:30:07 pm »
Quick point of order: per above post, shouldn't this be moved out of DJM and just be under "Crowdfunding"?

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #73 on: November 29, 2017, 09:32:28 pm »

Hi gang link to the ace reference site on all things ATP.
http://www.apt-p.com/APTConfigurations.htm

DJ is saying on RM Web that he is sorting  vehicles and options to go to Stanley trains of Durham boss for approval so hopefully in next few weeks the flyer details were be firm for order options.  Seems and it might be the OO market but DJ notes the 14car version is most popular - which as it gives a discount car price is not surprising, if the N pricing model is applied to the Over sized version!
The ATP site shows the variation of frontal decs applied - almost like it went to Tinsley every weekend for a slight change to details. With all yellow, Yellow black surrounds and then he outline arrows, intercity and apt logos morph into intercity blocked in and then arrows blocked in with a version with all three in black and the the apt in rail red- and then a thin 1" red line added between the Yellow and beige just above the lights line extending into the red at the base of the upswing. Who said it would be easy !! lucky Dave..     

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #74 on: December 02, 2017, 11:08:04 am »
Thanks for that Robert.

Someone on RMWeb has analysed the 00 orders so far in black below. I have added the comparable N figures in red alongside:-

                    00                                N

 5 car set     11.6%                           5%
  6 car set     22.09%                        5%
  7 car set     16.27%                        0%
10 car set     18.6%                         26%
14 car set     31.39%                        63%

Shows the challenge of running long trains on 00 layout.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2017, 11:10:54 am by woodbury22uk »
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