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Offline exmouthcraig

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Re: Modelmaster/NGS decals
« Reply #90 on: February 11, 2018, 09:23:44 am »
Were, as we will now be talking in past sense modelmasters decals and nameplates ones that aren't produced by Fox?

Simply because if they aren't then there's no point continuing with this post as their service, communication and quality is fantastic and would be very hard to beat.

However IF they are different and in a state that can be sorted and reproduced without much hassle it seems to me as a viable business.
We know the NGS aren't interested in it so how about Ben and Mike at revolutioN take them on to run alongside their business or Tank is there any possibility of a consortium purchase that allows the N gauge forum to be the proud producer and supplier of these plates and decals??

Just seems to be a hell of alot of modellers desperate to purchase these and only 1 company willing to run away from it all for reasons of being 'left in a mess'

Shoot me down in flames or praise which ever is worthy

Craig

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Re: Modelmaster/NGS decals
« Reply #91 on: February 11, 2018, 10:58:13 am »
Along with some others I have had a few posts on here about Modelmaster.

I do not feel it was explained well enough why the society decals, which in my mind kind of belonged to the membership, made their way back to Modelmaster.

Now, for whatever reason/s the owners and printers of the decals have decided to retire...nothing wrong with that of course it's everyone's right to do so as and when they wish, and if able to do so.

I wonder if the NGS decals they took over were just a bit too much to handle on top of their core business, especially if they were rather mixed up as the society kit parts were?

It would seem it's gone from a far from idea situation to the worse case scenario.

A few years back the society purchased the Parkwood range of kits, which IMO was a good move. I will  be interesting to see if a similar purchase can be made of the Modelmaster N gauge decals and plates.

I didn't envisage the owners of Modelmaster would retire so soon after taking the NGS decals back to distribute, and I'm sure nobody on our committee thought so either.

As I have said many times I consider the NGS kits and decals to be pivotal to the membership numbers.

I have had a chap custom produce some haulage decals for me and they are top notch. Sadly as part of an agreement with the person who sold him the equipment he is not allowed to produce railway decals, as they continue to do so, albeit in 4mm.

Exmouthcraig, no shooting down in flames is called for, virtually all of us have a need for decals. Society decals were always a good buy that I'm sure was an attraction of membership.

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Re: Modelmaster/NGS decals
« Reply #92 on: February 11, 2018, 11:14:32 am »
Since the 2mm/NGS part of the site was taken down last month, this does not bode well for anyone trying to establish what to order and from whom.

I don't know about anyone else but if company A cannot, for whatever reason, supply what I'm after I look at company B, then C etc.  I'm sorry to say that Modelmaster have been off my radar for some time.

If no-one produces the TOPS panels I'm after then I cut 'n' shunt with the nearest available panel.  For example I need panels for a VEV so I'll take ones coded VEA lose the A and add the V.  No point waiting for a supplier to produce VEV panels when I've got the wherewithal in my box of transfer sheets.

As long as the NGS can produce transfers for its kits I'll be happy.

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Re: Modelmaster/NGS decals
« Reply #93 on: February 11, 2018, 11:36:28 am »
We know the NGS aren't interested in it so how about Ben and Mike at revolutioN take them on to run alongside their business or Tank is there any possibility of a consortium purchase that allows the N gauge forum to be the proud producer and supplier of these plates and decals??

Hi all,

For avoidance of any doubt Revolution's focus is on enabling modellers to come together to crowdfund RTR models that otherwise would be unlikely to see production, at least in the foreseeable future, by the mainstream manufacturers.

We have no capacity for, or interest in, bits and kits beyond *possibly*  supplying components that are a by-product of our RTR models such as pantographs.

I have designed decal artwork for the NGS kits I've been involved with and it is very time-consuming, especially if you are not familiar with the prototype.  If anyone else is considering taking this on good luck to them!

Cheers

Ben A.



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Re: Modelmaster/NGS decals
« Reply #94 on: February 11, 2018, 11:49:15 am »
Is the time constraints the reason the NGS handed all works back to Modelmasters Ben?

This is an industry other then being an end user of I know nothing about, all we read on here is upset / annoyance / frustration  that the NGS handed these over even though they were huge benefits of membership.

We all want different things for our hobby and our interpretation of the real thing but are costs and time the reasons these have been and are being dumped and it's time to accept we will no longer get what we once had access too??

Craig

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Re: Modelmaster/NGS decals
« Reply #95 on: February 11, 2018, 12:01:23 pm »

Hi Craig,

I think the view was that the sorting and dispatch of decals was something that was best done by a specialist, and so the decals were sent back to Modelmaster on the understanding that they would do this.

I could be wrong, but I have a recollection that the only reason the NGS originally took on the decals was that Modelmaster were threatening to pull out of N altogether.

I don't really know the details of the arrangements for their repatriation.

I was just clarifying the position re Mike and I potentially offering decals.

Cheers

Ben A.



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Re: Modelmaster/NGS decals
« Reply #96 on: February 11, 2018, 01:02:17 pm »
Ben Ando said...I don't really know the details of the arrangements for their repatriation.

Really Ben, as Vice President of the NGS.
Has somebody kept you in the dark regarding information of such magnitude?

I am not alone in feeling that there's increasingly a "if you need to know" air about the society, seemingly since the bombshell hit after a stocktaking of the former society shop .

I have been patient during the last couple/few years that the NGS has faced turmoil, as I'm sure many others have. If the exclusive decals disappear along with Modelmaster, it will be another nail in the coffin in my book.

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Re: Modelmaster/NGS decals
« Reply #97 on: February 11, 2018, 01:53:00 pm »
Heads up!
The owner of Modelmaster is to retire this year to go time travelling with his wife according to the email that I received today, there is a sale on and when the sheets are exhausted there will be no more produced.
N Gauge sheets are not listed at present on the website so what happens then, will we be forced to go down the white pencil or pen route as in days of yore?
Steve.

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Re: Modelmaster/NGS decals
« Reply #98 on: February 11, 2018, 02:38:18 pm »
will we be forced to go down the white pencil or pen route as in days of yore?

Nowt wrong with old technology in order to complete the kit that you bought years ago because you were promised transfers "soon".

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Re: Modelmaster/NGS decals
« Reply #99 on: February 11, 2018, 03:24:19 pm »
Nope, that's just what I used back in the 1970's and 80's.
Steve

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Re: Modelmaster/NGS decals
« Reply #100 on: February 11, 2018, 05:04:39 pm »
Ben Ando said...I don't really know the details of the arrangements for their repatriation.

Really Ben, as Vice President of the NGS.
Has somebody kept you in the dark regarding information of such magnitude?

Hello trillikman,

I don't think anyone has kept me in the dark - I just haven't made any effort to find out.

Modelmaster decals do not cover my period of interest, so information that is of such magnitude to you is of little or no interest to me!

The aim of my post is to clarify that Revolution are unlikely to be in any position to offer decals.

Good luck finding out the information you are after.

Cheers

Ben A.





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Re: Modelmaster/NGS decals
« Reply #101 on: February 11, 2018, 05:41:18 pm »
Word on the grapevine is, there was a full committee meeting last week where this very topic was discussed.

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Re: Modelmaster/NGS decals
« Reply #102 on: February 11, 2018, 05:49:16 pm »


Hello trillikman,

I don't think anyone has kept me in the dark - I just haven't made any effort to find out.

Modelmaster decals do not cover my period of interest, so information that is of such magnitude to you is of little or no interest to me!

The aim of my post is to clarify that Revolution are unlikely to be in any position to offer decals.

Good luck finding out the information you are after.

Cheers

Ben A.
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Ben can we just confirm you are replying to this thread as revolutioN as opposed to VC of the NGS???

Just to make things clear

Thanks Craig

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Re: Modelmaster/NGS decals
« Reply #103 on: February 11, 2018, 09:40:00 pm »
... the society decals, which in my mind kind of belonged to the membership...
As far as I understand, the decals never belonged to the society. Ownership of the reproduction rights always rested with Modelmaster, all the NGS had was an exclusive distribution agreement for the range in 1:148 scale. This was done with good intent at a time when sales of the 1:148 range were in decline and Modelmaster had made it known that there was likely to be some rationalisation of the range.
Whether this was time-limited or indefinite appears to be open to debate as different people give different stories, but whatever the case any party who did not have an exit clause in the arrangement would be commercially naive...
 
I do not feel it was explained well enough why the ... decals, ... ... ... made their way back to Modelmaster.
It has been very clearly explained. Amongst a multitude of issues uncovered concerning the society shop including poor stock management and record keeping; it was decided by the Society (presumably the committee) that re-sorting and cataloguing the stock of decals was beyond the capacity of the Society volunteers so they ended the exclusive distribution agreement and returned the stocks in hand back to the rights owner - Modelmaster.

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Re: Modelmaster/NGS decals - Mr Modelmaster retiring & selling up!
« Reply #104 on: February 11, 2018, 10:02:46 pm »
news from NGS@groups.io

After 52 years in the Model Railway Business, I'm going to retire sometime this year,  and spend time travelling and relaxing with my wife Elspeth, who works long, hard, unpaid hours for Modelmaster. There would BE no business without her!

I'm not printing any more decals or transfers, so when items sell out, they're gone forever, but I'll still complete very limited production of 7mm Scale Waterslide Decals already in the pipeline.
So, let's get the stock moving, with  25% off
4mm Nameplates & Decals
for a day or two!

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