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Author Topic: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points  (Read 7671 times)

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2017, 09:54:55 am »
Half an hour? Blue Pullman would take 5 minutes  :D

Stupid boy, Pike.
Each loco has to be run through the points at different speeds and in both directions. Then it is picked up, turned 180 degrees and then tested again as before. The BP would probably take even longer.

Not at the speeds I drive it  ;D
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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2017, 10:04:04 am »
So, half an hour each, and about 90 to go last time you mentioned quantities  :hmmm:..........


I'll contact you again at the end of the week then! :D
Aren't you forgetting something(s)
Tea break after each loco test
record results
Pint of IPA every 4th loco
Slice of Pizza every 4th loco
Loo break shortly after pint of IPA
two days spent look for lost rerailer
10 days spent fixing locos that don't work at all after storage
3 days recovering from sore throat after shouting at locos that won't behave.
etc. etc.

Looks like at least September before all locos tested
 :no:   :beers:

I don't want to be ageist, but haven't you missed the most significant time factor for a lot of us on here -

1/2 day wasted after each test trying to remember what you were doing and the point(sorry!) of it?  :smiley-laughing:

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2017, 10:13:58 am »
So true. Now remind me, what's this thread about?
 :confused2:
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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2017, 10:18:59 am »
Which thread is that??  :hmmm:

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2017, 12:05:39 pm »
So, half an hour each, and about 90 to go last time you mentioned quantities  :hmmm:..........


I'll contact you again at the end of the week then! :D
Aren't you forgetting something(s)
Tea break after each loco test
record results
Pint of IPA every 4th loco*
Slice of Pizza every 4th loco
Loo break shortly after pint of IPA
two days spent look for lost rerailer
10 days spent fixing locos that don't work at all after storage
3 days recovering from sore throat after shouting at locos that won't behave.
etc. etc.

Looks like at least September before all locos tested
 :no:   :beers:

*Thish ish where I'sh been going wrong! I've had 4 pintsh for every lokomotif, localmoshift, engine.

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2017, 01:26:35 pm »
Some more testing done this morning with not unanticipated results:-

Class 24 and 25 diseasels - no problems.
Farish 4Fs (old and new versions) - no problems
Class 4MT 2-6-4T (not the latest version) - failed every which way it ran with front and rear trucks derailing.
Dapol 14xx - ran through the points OK but only at slow speed. Otherwise it just derailed.
Dapol 45xx and Ivatt 2-6-2 tanks - pony trucks derailed and then rerailed themselves at the following point
Farish 64xx pannier - no problems but did clatter over the points.
Farish Castle arrived just in time from Rails and passed the test :D

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2017, 04:47:10 pm »
Hi Mick,

A couple of things about Unitrack that may (or may not) help.....

1) You might want to experiment with BtBs - I find the number 4s are sensitive to Back to Backs, and my hunch is that slightly wider than the norm is better

2) You can make custom lengths of track both straight and curved as easily as you can with Streamline.   Cut a section out of the middle of each piece, slide the two remaining bits together then use a Xuron or razor saw to trim the rails back as usual.  This might help fit the Kato track to your original track plan.

Just been prepping Lofthole for DEMU in a couple of weeks with Neal, so thought about these...

Cheers

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2017, 08:13:34 pm »
Hi Jon,
As mentioned I don't want to mess with b2b as everything runs through my Peco points with no issues and I'd have to change things back if I don't go with the Unitrack.
Who knows, for the cost of going to Unitrack I could possibly pay a professional to do the necessary electrickery on my Peco track. The fiddle yards alone account for 20 points which at £25 a pop is £500.

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2017, 08:52:47 pm »
Hi Jon,
Who knows, for the cost of going to Unitrack I could possibly pay a professional to do the necessary electrickery on my Peco track. The fiddle yards alone account for 20 points which at £25 a pop is £500.

Not a bad idea. If everything is OK with streamline then get someone to help you. "You know it makes sense"! (Who said that?, I can't remember :doh:)
You know you're getting older when your mind makes commitments your body can't meet.


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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2017, 09:14:57 am »
been doing some running in and testing of my own lately, so I feel your pain!  my only contact with the Kato track has been using the Kato/Peco convertor sections for my storage cartridges - great thread though, thanks for sharing!

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2017, 01:25:28 pm »
This week, I ha mainly been (said in best Mark Williams voice) testing more locos. It probably won't surprise anyone to know that, out of 24 diseasels tested, none failed the test. However, 7 out of 18 steamers have failed so it's not looking too good :uneasy:

I was surprised to see the Dapol A4 pass in the forward direction but fail in reverse as the rear pony truck just derailed. I really did think the front would be the problem.
The tender on my Peco 22xx derailed every time at the first point when going forward.
The rear pony truck on my Dapol Britannia also persistently derailed at the first point.

I have always considered Peco points to be quite 'lumpy' until you can flatten them but these #4 points beat them hands down and I've found Dapol locos in particular rattle over them regardless of diesel/steam.
I've also found the pieces of Unitrack don't seem to fit too well together and, as my track is laid loose on the board, it can put a kink where there shouldn't be one. (Oi! Ray Davies. Get off my board)
This can be the difference between something derailing or not so I have to be quite careful. I guess if the track was to be fixed down this wouldn't be so much of an issue. It occurs where I have small straights (29mm) between the end curves and the points.
Oh well - nearly half way there ::)

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2017, 01:39:43 pm »
Thanks for the update Mick. :thumbsup:

Seems there might be just one logical conclusion judging by your results so far:

Go with Unitrack and sell all the steamers that give problems!  >:D

Simples! :D


Seriously though, this exhaustive testing is most informative for others, including myself, who have wondered about the limitations you are discovering.

I look forward to your overall conclusions when testing is complete. :)
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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2017, 01:48:36 pm »
Thanks, Mike.
I think I have decided the idea won't work if I want to retain my favourite steam locos but I will pursue this to its conclusion as I will have some data in a spreadsheet which may be of interest to others.
However, as our locos are all hand built, no two will be likely to be the same so it could only be used as a guide.

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2017, 02:22:56 pm »
This is a very valuable piece of research - especially for steam locos although it would be interesting to find out if others have run Kato steamies through #4 points

This is one way, IMHO, that life does become a lot easier for those of us using EMU/DMU trains ;)
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