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Cheap water effects
« on: January 21, 2017, 08:14:03 pm »
I have had a quick search and can find no reference to the following - if I have duplicated another post, my apologies.

The latest 'Model Railway Scenery' newsletter makes reference to a way of making water effects on the cheap, certainly compared to 'Woodland Scenics' stuff!  Having had a look at the video, I thought it was quite informative.

http://www.railwaymodellers.com/m/vchannels/view/588/?mc_cid=9f384e72db&mc_eid=8fc05184f9
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Re: Cheap water effects
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2017, 08:24:08 pm »
Is it a river, canal, lake or sea you want to create.
My methos for a river/canal is a layer of thick paint, then 3-4 coats yacht varnish. Then more paint but not uniform in colour. Then another 3-4 coats of varnish.
Sea can be done the same but a thin coat of grouting to give a wave effect first before the initial coat of paint.
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Re: Cheap water effects
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2017, 09:11:42 pm »
At this stage, none of the above. I was just bringing the link to the attention of anyone who might be interested.  :beers:
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Re: Cheap water effects
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2017, 09:27:51 pm »
Use a lot of thin layers of PVA glue - its even cheaper :)

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Re: Cheap water effects
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2017, 09:47:49 pm »
I used this method on Quantoxhead Harbour, and it worked very well. It was also relatively quick (a few days) and really good fun to do. All you need is loo paper, suitable colour paint for the type of water being modelled*, and gloss acrylic varnish.

Cheers, NeMo

*Which for me was the Bristol Channel, so mostly shades of green-brown


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Re: Cheap water effects
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2017, 11:05:51 pm »
Use a lot of thin layers of PVA glue - its even cheaper :)

I used that method for the pond in the Station Masters garden on my coffee table layout, but as PVA is 'runny', I would think it would level itself before drying, therefore being no good for making ripples or waves  ???. The video linked to by NeMo shows an excellent way to make waves.  :thumbsup:
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Re: Cheap water effects
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2017, 11:12:02 pm »
Use a lot of thin layers of PVA glue - its even cheaper :)

I used that method for the pond in the Station Masters garden on my coffee table layout, but as PVA is 'runny', I would think it would level itself before drying, therefore being no good for making ripples or waves  ???. The video linked to by NeMo shows an excellent way to make waves.  :thumbsup:

Not all PVA is runny, some is quite firm - and if you sculpt it slightly when its going off you get good ripples.
I wouldn't want waves - they are the same as running people....they look wrong when static.

Ill grab you a picture of some estuarine water I did some years ago with PVA paint and gloss varnish tomorrow.

Here is a link to Chris Nevard's somerset rhyne done the same way.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nevardmedia/7374640024/in/album-72157630070179725/

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Re: Cheap water effects
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2017, 07:19:13 am »
I've used the toilet paper method mentioned in the YouTube video and sealed it with decoupage varnish which is gloss and water based. In fact decoupage varnish products are worth investigating, here they are less expensive than Woodland Scenics equivalents. There is an adhesive called Modge Podge which can be diluted and used as an alternative to WS Scenic Cement.

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Re: Cheap water effects
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2017, 08:26:53 am »
In fact decoupage varnish products are worth investigating, here they are less expensive than Woodland Scenics equivalents. There is an adhesive called Modge Podge which can be diluted and used as an alternative to WS Scenic Cement.

Interesting. My wife does a lot of decoupage, and has a number of products for that including Modge Podge. Will have to try some out!

Cheers, NeMo

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Re: Cheap water effects
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2017, 08:31:36 am »



Here is one using 2 part epoxy  skip to about 14 minutes in for the water part

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Re: Cheap water effects
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2017, 08:42:53 am »
Thanks Michael.

Here's another interesting vid:

https://youtu.be/GKxgdrpAXlw

Modge Podge is tested in this one.

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Re: Cheap water effects
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2017, 09:39:02 am »
Hi all,

Thanks for the topic and the links.

Can't watch them yet as 'er indoors is watching Columbo (can't interrupt Columbo on pain of death) but will later. Am sure will help for future projects.

Cheers weave  :beers:

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Re: Cheap water effects
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2017, 09:54:05 am »
I don't think the decoupage varnishes will be good for building up waves but they are good as an alternative to yacht varnish as a top coat as they dry quickly and clean up with water.

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Re: Cheap water effects
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2017, 12:32:02 pm »
I don't think the decoupage varnishes will be good for building up waves but they are good as an alternative to yacht varnish as a top coat as they dry quickly and clean up with water.

Acrylic Medium would be good for small waves / ripples.

Virtually the whole "model railway scenic materials" market is just over priced artists materials - Most definitely get round an art shop (even Hobbycraft) and see what is available.

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Re: Cheap water effects
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2017, 12:38:58 pm »
Just to help anyone who goes looking for it the stuff is called Mod Podge, not Modge Podge :thumbsup:


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