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Re: Carflat A from the N Gauge Society
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2016, 09:52:52 pm »
Fantastic news and thanks to all involved in getting this done.

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Re: Carflat A from the N Gauge Society
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2016, 05:06:25 pm »
I am very pleased that this model is being produced but I think the availability of suitable cars to go on them could be an issue for those (like me) modelling the later Motorail period. At the moment there do not appear to be enough suitable cars around to make a realistic-looking 1980s loaded train. If the NGS can address that, then I'd be in for around 8 models. Hopefully Oxford Diecast could be made aware that there is a potential market for a large number of cars in the offing.

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Re: Carflat A from the N Gauge Society
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2016, 05:48:08 pm »
Hello Western Exile,

The NGS is investigating the possibility of appropriate vehicles (you will see we are offering military vehicles to go with our new post 1976 Warflat kits) however tooling and producing more RTR models is a significant cost and we may have to hold this back until we have a better idea of appetite for the Carflats.

Obviously whether to have some is your decision, but they did run empty as well as loaded!

Cheers

Ben A.



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Re: Carflat A from the N Gauge Society
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2016, 05:48:51 pm »
We have discussed some vehicles with a couple of manufacturers, but the problem with vehicles (from the NGS's point of view rather than the manufacturer's or modeller's) is which vehicle(s) to go for as they tend to be era specific - Western Exile's post being a case in point! If you want to do a selection of eras and types you soon start to rack up rather large numbers in terms of minimum orders...not easy but we are still exploring the possibilities.

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Re: Carflat A from the N Gauge Society
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2016, 09:49:23 pm »
There is an ever growing range of 3D print cars appearing and they also have the advantage they are very lightweight so ideal for such use unlike die cast ones.
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Re: Carflat A from the N Gauge Society
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2016, 11:46:00 pm »

Hello all,

I am now able to upload graphic images showing the six proposed liveries.  Please note that these may be subject to minor changes (exact number, position of some small markings) pending further research.

1) BR brown


2)  BR blue unbranded


3)  BR Motorail


4)  BR Motorail with B4 bogies


5)  BR Bauxite air-braked with BR bogies.


6)  Railease yellow


cheers

Ben A.



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Re: Carflat A from the N Gauge Society
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2016, 07:58:13 am »
Very excited, will I need to sign up to NGS to preorder or will these be revolutioN style kickstarter/crowdfunding approach?

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Re: Carflat A from the N Gauge Society
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2016, 08:07:21 am »

Hello all,

I am now able to upload graphic images showing the six proposed liveries.  Please note that these may be subject to minor changes (exact number, position of some small markings) pending further research.

1) BR brown


2)  BR blue unbranded


3)  BR Motorail


4)  BR Motorail with B4 bogies


5)  BR Bauxite air-braked with BR bogies.


6)  Railease yellow


cheers

Ben A.


Ben and the NGS model team,

Thanks for this, these are an outstanding choice of models. Would it be possible to annotate the above livery plates with appropriate dates of applicability?

I will be wanting more than a few of these.

Best

Scott

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Re: Carflat A from the N Gauge Society
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2016, 08:10:14 am »
Hello Mickster,

These are an N Gauge Society model and will be available to NGS members only. 

As with our other models sourced from Farish, Bachmann have the right to add them to their own range in no less than two years, though experience suggests it usually takes them a little longer - the NGS Inspection Saloon was produced in 2011/2 and only available as a standard Farish model recently (either this year or late last year I think.)

Also, our model is still 27 whereas theirs has an RRP of 40 (or just under 34 at Hattons) as our pricing is intended to benefit members.

cheers

Ben A.



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Re: Carflat A from the N Gauge Society
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2016, 08:26:28 am »
Thanks Ben. I look forward to the Revolution Trains class 81 to compliment nicely.  :D

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Re: Carflat A from the N Gauge Society
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2016, 08:28:51 am »
Thanks Ben. I look forward to the Revolution Trains class 81 to compliment nicely.  :D

Make that two or a few! :thumbsup:

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Re: Carflat A from the N Gauge Society
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2016, 08:32:20 am »
Thanks Ben. I look forward to the Revolution Trains class 81 to compliment nicely.  :D

Now we're talking!

Remember seeing these at Willesden shed and working ECS trains at Euston. I do believe at least one was in InterCity livery, but that might have been an 82 or 85. Happy days!

Cheers, NeMo

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Re: Carflat A from the N Gauge Society
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2016, 09:22:49 am »

Hello all,

I am now able to upload graphic images showing the six proposed liveries.  Please note that these may be subject to minor changes (exact number, position of some small markings) pending further research.

1) BR brown


2)  BR blue unbranded


3)  BR Motorail


4)  BR Motorail with B4 bogies


5)  BR Bauxite air-braked with BR bogies.


6)  Railease yellow


cheers

Ben A.


Ben and the NGS model team,

Thanks for this, these are an outstanding choice of models. Would it be possible to annotate the above livery plates with appropriate dates of applicability?

I will be wanting more than a few of these.

Best

Scott


According to the leaflet I picked up on Saturday:

1) Era 5
2) Eras 5-8
3) Eras 6-8
4) Eras 6-8
5) Eras 6-8
6) Eras 7-8

No doubt someone can translate those into years if necessary...

I shall be looking for 3-4 of type 1 for a Motorail-type service for 'Hambleside East' - seeing as I already have an end unloading ramp installed in the goods yard...  :D
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Re: Carflat A from the N Gauge Society
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2016, 09:25:01 am »
Hi Scott,

In terms of timeframes, the first Carflats were introduced in the mid 1950s.  These were painted brown I believe.

Various batches were built from different coach chassis - some ex LMS, GWR and LNER and some ex BR Mk1.

The spotting points are the bogies, trusses and length.

The model we are producing is based on a batch built in 1964.  We believe some were turned out in Brown before Rail blue started to be adopted.

The Motorail brand was launched in 1966 (50 years ago!) and placards were fitted.  I am not sure whether any brown wagons received placards.

There was an ongoing conversion programme and some wagons were equipped with B4 bogies, and vacuum braking gave way to air brakes.

I think most of the blue wagons remained in blue until withdrawal.

Some wagons were also painted bauxite, and used for new car deliveries.

In 1979 a batch of ex BR Mk1 underframes was used for a new batch of Carflats for Railease. These had BR1 bogies and air brakes, with Railease placards.

The Carflats started falling out of use in the late 1980s/early 1990s although I believe some soldiered on in Departmental use.

In very approximate modelling terms, and using our model to stand in for earlier BR Mk1 conversions, I would say you could:

* Run brown flats to represent delivery trains from 1955-1964
* Run brown flats with maroon coaches for passenger/car trains from 1955-1964
* Run blue/brown flats to represent delivery trains from 1964-1966
* Run blue/brown flats with mixed maroon/blue-grey stock for passenger/car trains 1964-1966
* Run blue Motorail branded flats with blue grey stock to depict Motorail trains from 1964-early 1990s (some maroon stock could be mixed in for trains 1964-71ish)
* Run blue branded and unbranded flats for off-season delivery trains 1966-early 1990s
* Run bauxite flats to represent delivery trains from 1970-1990
* Run yellow Railease flats to represent delivery trains from 1979-mid 1990s.

Having said that, this list is based purely on observations of photographs and I would be delighted for more detail, or any corrections, particularly in terms of when the last Motorail or delivery services ran with these wagons.

Cheers

Ben A.



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Re: Carflat A from the N Gauge Society
« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2016, 10:44:26 am »
Hello Mickster,

These are an N Gauge Society model and will be available to NGS members only. 
...
cheers

Ben A.

Time for me to get my membership sorted then :D

 

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