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Author Topic: Farish Auto Trailer 374-611  (Read 3192 times)

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Offline Jimbo

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Re: Farish Auto Trailer 374-611
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2017, 02:10:52 pm »
Beautiful model as you say Mick.....lovely scenic work!  :thumbsup:
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Re: Farish Auto Trailer 374-611
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2017, 03:13:35 pm »
I rather like the look of these in BR maroon, although they are totally outside my timescale. May I ask: what would be the appropriate livery(s) for a 64xx to match? Could I get away with an early BR black?
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Re: Farish Auto Trailer 374-611
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2017, 03:17:52 pm »
Some photos of mine.













Comparison with Dapol Autocoach




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Re: Farish Auto Trailer 374-611
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2017, 04:18:05 pm »
I rather like the look of these in BR maroon, although they are totally outside my timescale. May I ask: what would be the appropriate livery(s) for a 64xx to match? Could I get away with an early BR black?

The Maroon livery is most appropriate when paired with a lined green 6400. However that is not a hard and fast rule by any means. Maroon livery for coaching stock was introduced around the same time as the GWR started repainting some of its locos from black to green.

Tank engines were not really the highest priority for repaints so many lingered on in black livery for some years. It would be entirely feasible to have a maroon autocoach (representing a vehicle that had been early in the queue) paired with a black 6400 representing a loco that had not received a repaint yet.

Indeed at least one member of the class (6431) went to the scrap yard in plain black livery, still with the early crest. The photo below shows it at Exeter in 1963, some 6 years after the introduction of Maroon livery.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/stuart166axe/16019984653
« Last Edit: February 27, 2017, 04:19:19 pm by Karhedron »
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Re: Farish Auto Trailer 374-611
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2017, 04:27:38 am »
Great looking coaches there guys, but can you excuse my ignorance, what is a auto-coach used for and why do you see them behind a loco, may be a really stupid question this.    :thumbsup:

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Re: Farish Auto Trailer 374-611
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2017, 08:03:21 am »
Great looking coaches there guys, but can you excuse my ignorance, what is a auto-coach used for and why do you see them behind a loco, may be a really stupid question this.    :thumbsup:
Think of them as steam-era DVTs with control via mechanical linkages, with the driver in the front and the fireman in the locomotive. The locomotive can be sandwiched between two autotrailers. I believe it might be possible to have one additional coach between locomotive and autotrailer. Am no expert, I just acquired some by accident once, so no doubt someone will be along with more detail.
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Re: Farish Auto Trailer 374-611
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2017, 08:46:56 am »
Railsquid is spot on. Even in steam days, the railway companies realised you could save time (and hence money) by having a push-pull arrangement meaning that the locomotive did not have to run around its coaches at the end of each journey. All of the Big 4 had push-pull trains to some extent but the GWR specialised in them, particularly for branchline work (although they were also used for some suburban services in more built-up areas).
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Re: Farish Auto Trailer 374-611
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2017, 09:19:20 am »
The instructions for fitting the detailing bits at the ends are the clearest I've seen:


and makes for a fantastic model:

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Re: Farish Auto Trailer 374-611
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2017, 09:45:23 am »
A lovely looking model.....i think I'm slightly addicted to autocoaches as I have 4 Dapol ones in N and two in OO  :jawdropping: ...i said it again! Would you say this new version is a better representation than the N Dapol model? A comparison photo on this thread seems to make the Dapol version look lower in roof height and the top light windows look entirely different too  :hmmm:
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Re: Farish Auto Trailer 374-611
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2017, 10:07:05 am »
There were several different diagrams of auto-trailers built over the years. The Dapol one is a hybrid of diagrams A28 and A30 from the 1930s. The Farish model represents the later Hawksworth design (Diagram A38/40) which were actually built in the early 1950s and so are technically BR vehicles (hence the lack of a chocolate and cream variant).

The Farish version is more detailed and more accurate to a particular diagram but is no good for pre-nationalisation modelers so there is room for both.
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Re: Farish Auto Trailer 374-611
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2017, 10:18:43 am »
Thank you Karhedron, pre nationalisation is my thing so that's settled things in my mind! I'll have to check out some pictures or perhaps drawings of the earlier type just out of interest now though!  ;)
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Re: Farish Auto Trailer 374-611
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2017, 11:09:25 am »
From earlier posts I gather that the crimson/cream livery option is correct for the very early 50s after which the WR switched to the regulation BR crimson for its non-corridor stock.

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Re: Farish Auto Trailer 374-611
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2017, 01:36:58 pm »
Great looking coaches there guys, but can you excuse my ignorance, what is a auto-coach used for and why do you see them behind a loco, may be a really stupid question this.    :thumbsup:
Think of them as steam-era DVTs with control via mechanical linkages, with the driver in the front and the fireman in the locomotive. The locomotive can be sandwiched between two autotrailers. I believe it might be possible to have one additional coach between locomotive and autotrailer. Am no expert, I just acquired some by accident once, so no doubt someone will be along with more detail.

To build on what's been said so far. The GWR built some intermediate auto-trailers that had the linkage underneath but no driving controls. One of these could run between the loco and an auto-trailer with the controls; the limits of the mechanical control linkage meant that one intermediate trailer was all they could use, but it was possible to have one driving trailer and one intermediate trailer either side of the loco.  I don't think anyone makes a ready-to-run model of the intermediate trailer.

Auto-trailers could also be used in lieu of ordinary coaching stock to strengthen peak-time services.  There are pictures of a single auto-trailer behind a GWR AEC railcar for some local services (I'm most familiar with this on some services running out of Leamington Spa through Stratford-upon-Avon). It wasn't possible to drive the railcar from the auto-trailer so the railcar would have to run round at the end of each journey.

I would imagine that auto-trailers, with one door per side for the passenger saloon (as far as I can see), would not be favoured for high-intensity suburban services. Coaches with doors to each seating bay would allow faster loading and unloading of passengers. But I know that all sorts of things did happen when there was a shortage of more suitable rolling stock on the real railway.

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Re: Farish Auto Trailer 374-611
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2017, 01:53:16 pm »
The instructions for fitting the detailing bits at the ends are the clearest I've seen:


and makes for a fantastic model:



That's nice to see a headlamp included. Is there another one for the loco? It looks fairly accurate for N-gauge, unlike the Springside lamps which are too big. When my autocoach arrives, I'll compare the Farish lamp with the Dapol ones (sold as 'handlamps' and sold with fireirons.)

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Re: Farish Auto Trailer 374-611
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2017, 02:24:04 pm »
To build on what's been said so far. The GWR built some intermediate auto-trailers that had the linkage underneath but no driving controls. One of these could run between the loco and an auto-trailer with the controls; the limits of the mechanical control linkage meant that one intermediate trailer was all they could use, but it was possible to have one driving trailer and one intermediate trailer either side of the loco.  I don't think anyone makes a ready-to-run model of the intermediate trailer.


Sadly not available RTR but Etched Pixels offer a kit for the A42 trailers (which were converted from C75 Thirds).

http://www.ultima-models.co.uk/catalogue/gwr-auto.html

I picture of the real thing in service with a 6400 and autocoach here.



I would imagine that auto-trailers, with one door per side for the passenger saloon (as far as I can see), would not be favoured for high-intensity suburban services. Coaches with doors to each seating bay would allow faster loading and unloading of passengers. But I know that all sorts of things did happen when there was a shortage of more suitable rolling stock on the real railway.


Autotrains were actually regularly used on some high density suburban services, particularly those around Plymouth and the South Wales valleys. The hill-climbing ability of the 6400s and the ability to reverse quickly at the terminus without running around seem to have outweighed dwell-times at the stations. Take a look at the photo of Saltash to see that some of these services were quite heavily loaded.







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