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Author Topic: Kato Portram on Tomytec track  (Read 3129 times)

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Kato Portram on Tomytec track
« on: January 27, 2016, 07:58:49 pm »
Has anyone got experience on using the Kato Portram on the Tomytec Wide Tram track, especially  the 140mm radius curve, please?
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Re: Kato Portram on Tomytec track
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2016, 09:59:20 pm »
Nope, but I do have a Portram and looking at my box of tram tram I also have a 140mm curve so if you can wait a while I'll try and introduce the two to each other and see how they get along.
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Re: Kato Portram on Tomytec track
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2016, 10:11:26 pm »
Only have the tomytec trams here and had no problems with any of the Tomix track/roadway sections.
Also have a Modemo tram and that was fine as well.
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Re: Kato Portram on Tomytec track
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2016, 09:21:18 am »

Hello Mike,

We have used Tomix track for the tram section on Horseley Fields.  This does include the very short points which I believe have 140mm radius curved sections.

Our Tomytec trams are perfectly happy with this, not surprisingly, but rather annoyingly the Kato Portram I bought doesn't like it.  This is a shame as it's a far better detailed model, and has working lights.

Our tram section is fairly new and we may need to do some head scratching to see if we can come up with a fix.  The problem seems to be that the Kato wheels ride up the frog, but I need to look more closely to give a definitive answer.

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Re: Kato Portram on Tomytec track
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2016, 10:41:46 am »
Thanks railsquid, Oldman and Ben.

I have had a period of enforced inactivity on the modelling front due to advancing cataracts. These were treated last week and I am now able to see again. During the non-modelling period I have been planning a small layout which will have trains, trams, moving buses, and moving cars using Faller, Tomytec and Magnorail.

The tram track will be a single line with no points but does need the 140mm radius curve. Probably the best answer is to buy some Tomytec track and try out the Kato Unitram. I agree that it is a super model and its minimal ground clearance and lighting are what attract me to it rather than the Tomytec Portram/Centram models.

I'll keep people posted on the results.
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Re: Kato Portram on Tomytec track
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2016, 10:52:33 am »
I'll give mine a run on the 140mm curves when I get home, haven't had a chance today.

For the record I did try it on my layout-in-progress the other day when testing the track with various stock with known "problematic" running qualities. The Unitram is actually a nice runner, but the small wheelsize and low clearance are good at detecting issues more solid stock just rolls over. It does work OK with the standard 541mm (?) radius Tomix points, slightly bumpy ride but nothing I can't live with. Come to think of it, I do have some of the 140mm points too, will see what it does with those as I'm planning to use those for tram purposes some day.
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Re: Kato Portram on Tomytec track
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2016, 02:16:36 pm »
Err, I meant "Portram", dunno where I got "Unitram" from (confused with Unitrack?).

Anyway preliminary results indicate it goes round the 140mm curve fine, but also that my tram tracks are in desperate need of a clean. I'll give it another try together with the points at the weekend when I have more time (for it is an issue I will need to consider anyway).
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Re: Kato Portram on Tomytec track
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2016, 02:23:04 pm »
Thanks for the experiment railsquid. Pleased to hear the results. Now off to put together the full shopping list for the track. Good luck with the track cleaning. Have a good evening.
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Re: Kato Portram on Tomytec track
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2016, 02:28:32 pm »
As an addendum to that I just checked the Kato catalogue and it claims they can manage 90mm radii, which is a mystery as neither Kato nor Tomix go quite that tight.
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Re: Kato Portram on Tomytec track
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2016, 12:32:35 pm »
Err, I meant "Portram", dunno where I got "Unitram" from (confused with Unitrack?).

Aha, "Unitram" is the name for the tram system stuff as a whole. I was very tired the other day.

Anyway preliminary results indicate it goes round the 140mm curve fine, but also that my tram tracks are in desperate need of a clean. I'll give it another try together with the points at the weekend when I have more time (for it is an issue I will need to consider anyway).
You may be interested to know I've just cleaned the track and set it up with a 140mm radius point and tested my Portram on it - no problem with curve or point whatsover. I'll upload video evidence later :D
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Re: Kato Portram on Tomytec track
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2016, 12:49:08 pm »
And here it is:

http://youtu.be/GHV2dCYY5uI

Looking at the video again there's some slight wobble on the point presumably when the wheels "fall" into the frog, but operationally it "feels" fine.

Do please excuse the mess visible in the background :D
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Re: Kato Portram on Tomytec track
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2016, 12:54:49 pm »
Excellent demonstration railsquid. Those points look really tight! I love the way the lower bodyside skirt sweeps along just above rail level. Looks like I am going to enjoy my first layout with trams.
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Re: Kato Portram on Tomytec track
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2016, 01:02:40 pm »
I'm sure you will  :thumbsup:

One thing that also just occurred to me - while these are of course quality models which you wouldn't want to say juggle with, they're quite easy to handle (with the usual appropriate care and attention) and don't feel fragile.
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Re: Kato Portram on Tomytec track
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2016, 11:37:10 pm »
Why are you abusing the poor piece of Kato track in the background?? it is being used as a bus connector?
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Re: Kato Portram on Tomytec track
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2016, 01:04:55 am »
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