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Author Topic: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series  (Read 44301 times)

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #1020 on: November 08, 2018, 02:31:33 pm »
Just ordered the Japanese theme GE 4/4 II set from Welsh Dragon Railways, so with my red 'Untervaz' one, I'll have a fleet of 2, as well as the 5 GE 4/4 IIIs....
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #1021 on: November 12, 2018, 10:35:38 am »
And another one...

RhB Ge 4/4 II 616 Filisur

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #1022 on: November 12, 2018, 11:02:25 am »
Following on from the "Other Place" yes, that's lovely but the skirt and "oily bits" are a mid-grey not black.

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #1023 on: November 12, 2018, 11:15:51 am »
but the skirt and "oily bits" are a mid-grey not black.

 ???  Are you saying that the RhB painted their own locomotive wrong ? I don't understand what you mean  :hmmm:

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #1024 on: November 12, 2018, 12:46:46 pm »
but the skirt and "oily bits" are a mid-grey not black.

 ???  Are you saying that the RhB painted their own locomotive wrong ? I don't understand what you mean  :hmmm:

steve

No, the RhB paint their locos according to their standards and by pictorial evidence of the real thing the bottom of the body and the "oily bits" beneath it are a grey colour. Bemo paint their Ge4/4II's a grey colour to match the RhB while Kato paint theirs black. I'm beginning to think that the Kato models are a good basis for starting. The skirts etc need painting grey and then new decals adding to replace those information plaques lost. The pantographs need to be replaced with metal ones, whose and what number?, and the roofs dirtied.

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #1025 on: November 12, 2018, 01:08:07 pm »
I don't particularly have an issue with plastic pantographs, and the Kato renditions are pretty good IMO, in shape if not finish. You can forgive them for not weathering, as most factory weathered finishes aren't all that. If replacing then the Sommefeldt offerings used by CJM and Farish are good, but unless you glue them in place or have wires to arrest their vertical progress they'll just raise to full height all the time.

Getting the underframe/lower body colour wrong is poor though.

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #1026 on: November 13, 2018, 12:17:10 am »
Decals are available from a seller on eBay who also does the Holcim decals.

Are these water slide decals as well or are they printed on a self adhesive clear foil ? They look weird.

steve

They are waterslide, but are on quite heavy carrier film. You have to trim them close to the design.


Some may remember my early adoption of this Kato stuff...and that one of my early (2013 - 14!) exploits (as published in Continental Modeller) was to paint a Kato 644 plain white to do the 'Ems'. This was for two reasons - one Ems always used to turn up on the Albula on my visits there in 2009 - 2013 and two it only took about 20 minutes to make it - I just sprayed white primer and stuck on logos with my 'patent' paper with  pritt stick method.

Recently I saw those Italian decals and was very close to buying a set but decided from the seller's pictures that they stood so proud of the model that they are no better then my stick on paper.
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #1027 on: November 13, 2018, 12:19:54 am »
Whilst on the subject of looking back, I started this thread in 2015 when I received the Kato Allegra, but had been dabbling since the very first GEX starter set came out.

Here I repeat the photo from the early knockings of this thread to illustrate how far things have come. The photo was taken in early 2014...




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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #1028 on: November 13, 2018, 12:24:17 am »
I don't particularly have an issue with plastic pantographs, and the Kato renditions are pretty good IMO, in shape if not finish. You can forgive them for not weathering, as most factory weathered finishes aren't all that. If replacing then the Sommefeldt offerings used by CJM and Farish are good, but unless you glue them in place or have wires to arrest their vertical progress they'll just raise to full height all the time.

Getting the underframe/lower body colour wrong is poor though.

I agree, I can work with the plastic pantographs - but they are pretty frustrating.

Regarding the lower bodyside colour, I wouldn't describe the skirt colour on Kato models as black, but a very dark grey. I do think it could be  a tad lighter

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #1029 on: November 13, 2018, 07:50:59 am »
And another one...

RhB Ge 4/4 II 616 Filisur

steve
Ooo, that's nice, but I can't see Kato producing that livery?

Or the LGB version for that matter!

I received my Japanese GE 4/4 II yesterday when I got home from a long weekend, but I haven't had time to unpack it and test as yet. Maybe this evening....

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #1030 on: November 13, 2018, 08:56:51 am »
Ooo, that's nice, but I can't see Kato producing that livery?

As it is a fund raiser, you never know, Kato could produce it and sell it for a higher price and donate what's left after cost to the RhB. I don't mind if they will never produce the LGB one, that is in my opinion the worst of them all.

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #1031 on: November 13, 2018, 09:55:14 am »
Going back to 622 and its lurid green tinged windows I'm wondering if Kato might make a glazing set available so that those of us who are really irked by them could change them over.

The downside of that seems to be that the side windows are painted/tampo'ed in place and would it produce a jagged line around the "join" if the glazing came out and went back after trimming off the clear bits?

Todays thought,

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #1032 on: November 13, 2018, 11:20:11 am »
Ooo, that's nice, but I can't see Kato producing that livery?

 I don't mind if they will never produce the LGB one, that is in my opinion the worst of them all.

steve
I'm biased Steve as I also have LGB in the garden, but unfortunately, no RhB stock. (DB steam and diesel.)

Maybe one day, they will do a 4/4 II in a Kato livery? After all, you can purchase the Glacier Express set (10-006) in their Gift Shop....
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #1033 on: November 13, 2018, 12:12:54 pm »
I'd not get too workedup over LGB. There are other makers in the IIm sector who make more realistic models. It's just they are a more realistic price! :laugh3:

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