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Author Topic: Hints & tips for Z21 (Black) or z21 (White) users  (Read 18595 times)

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Re: Hints & tips for Z21 (Black) or z21 (White) users
« Reply #75 on: December 11, 2016, 06:06:59 pm »
...wouldn't 2 command stations (Z21 & Digitraxx) potentially conflict with each other?

That's right you can only have one command station. Units like the Zephyr and Z21 include both a controller (the computer that puts the DCC packets together) and a Booster (which puts the current and packets onto the track). You can have many boosters (if you wire them correctly) but only one controller.

Note that if you are using the Zephyr then it also has a built in throttle. It is possible to enable/disable various components on the Zephyr, so you turn off the controller component and use it only as a booster and throttle. I've never used a Z21 so don't know if the same applies to the Z21, but I do know that the Z21's implementation of Loconet is different than Digitrax's and that if you wire them together incorrectly then it's possible to damage the Zephyr and/or Z21. I'd seek advice from a dealer before you attempt this.

Personally I'd  sell the Zephyr and get another booster (if you need it) from Roco.

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Re: Hints & tips for Z21 (Black) or z21 (White) users
« Reply #76 on: December 11, 2016, 06:17:14 pm »
Thanks for the advice and comments... I had done a search on connecting digitrax to ipads and the Z21 came up... looks very neat, but I do have a soft spot for the zephyr :)

Maybe Digitrax will bring something to market ........

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Re: Hints & tips for Z21 (Black) or z21 (White) users
« Reply #77 on: December 12, 2016, 09:24:18 am »
Thanks for the advice and comments... I had done a search on connecting digitrax to ipads and the Z21 came up... looks very neat, but I do have a soft spot for the zephyr :)

Maybe Digitrax will bring something to market ........

Seems unlikely that Digitrax will market anything directly - they dabbled with the idea about 4 years ago, then it all went dead quiet.   

However, can be done with very cheap kit.  Requires:

Small computer running JMRI (or alternatively RocRail, but I know less about doing it with RocRail).  Could be an old computer you have kicking around, or your regular computer, or could be a £30-ish RaspberryPI bolted to the layout.    The software (JMRI) is free.
A USB to LocoNet adaptor box.  Many available, but the common two are the Digitrax PR3 and the RR-Cirkits LocoBuffer.  Both around £60. 

Plus your iPad, which (for JMRI use) requires a copy of "WiThrottle" which is available from the Apple App Store.  There are, I believe, equivalent Apps for RocRail. 


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Re: Hints & tips for Z21 (Black) or z21 (White) users
« Reply #78 on: December 12, 2016, 10:39:18 am »
Thanks Nigel, I have all of the above!

Raspberry PI kicking about not doing much except attracting dust, PR3 I acquired a while back but have not got around to hooking it up. 

Do you need a Wi-Fi router in the mix too so that the ipad can be connected in?

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Re: Hints & tips for Z21 (Black) or z21 (White) users
« Reply #79 on: December 12, 2016, 01:46:21 pm »
Thanks Nigel, I have all of the above!

Raspberry PI kicking about not doing much except attracting dust, PR3 I acquired a while back but have not got around to hooking it up. 

Do you need a Wi-Fi router in the mix too so that the ipad can be connected in?

Router - yes somewhere.  Either by using something on the PI (the PI-3 has WiFi on the motherboard, others you can add a USB dongle), or with an external router and a link from the PI to that router.  External router is probably simpler unless you're a networking on Linux tyro. 

There is advice on the JMRI website about it all; your probable end-target is to get JMRI running as "headless" with the "WiThrottle" process started.  That means it all runs without the graphical interface on the PI, and is thus a lot faster.   But in getting there, its worth having a monitor on the PI until you've got it all running to your satisfaction.   


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Re: Hints & tips for Z21 (Black) or z21 (White) users
« Reply #80 on: January 13, 2017, 02:07:22 am »
z21 ( white) - this has limited capabilities, and is sold WITHOUT router.

Caveat emptor

Specs:

http://www.z21.eu/en/FAQ-Support/FAQ

The "add-on" router package

https://www.en.dm-toys.de/produktdetails/items/Roco_10814.html

http://www.dcctrainautomation.co.uk/z21-white-edition.html

YouTube review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UTvZ_TotTI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOSfbwdzwy0

GErman ( English) Z21 review and tips re N scale settings( not available on the z21!)

Best UK price ( AFAIK) for a proper Z21 Black (Scograil) £260

 http://www.scograil.co.uk/roco-10820--z21-digital-control-system-2365-p.asp
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Re: Hints & tips for Z21 (Black) or z21 (White) users
« Reply #81 on: January 13, 2017, 11:34:43 am »
Z21 not currently in stock at coastal. Scograil have it showing in stock at the same price. http://www.scograil.co.uk/roco-10820--z21-digital-control-system-2365-p.asp I bought mine in November.

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Re: Hints & tips for Z21 (Black) or z21 (White) users
« Reply #82 on: January 13, 2017, 06:16:12 pm »
z21 start sets supplied with a multimaus but no router have the network port locked. Until now you had to buy a Roco wifi set (a pre configured router) and get an unlock code from their website by providing the serial numbers from the 2 sets. The new Fleischmann catalog now lists an unlock code for those who have their own router. It's available now from the Fleischmann on line store at a very reasonable    :thumbsdown: 29.99 euros

https://www.fleischmann.de/en/productsearch/0-10818-0-0-0-0-0-0/products.html

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Of course they could just supply it unlocked!  :hmmm:
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Re: Hints & tips for Z21 (Black) or z21 (White) users
« Reply #83 on: January 13, 2017, 10:22:36 pm »
z21 start sets supplied with a multimaus but no router have the network port locked. Until now you had to buy a Roco wifi set (a pre configured router) and get an unlock code from their website by providing the serial numbers from the 2 sets. The new Fleischmann catalog now lists an unlock code for those who have their own router. It's available now from the Fleischmann on line store at a very reasonable    :thumbsdown: 29.99 euros

https://www.fleischmann.de/en/productsearch/0-10818-0-0-0-0-0-0/products.html

C. :)

Of course they could just supply it unlocked!  :hmmm:
What!  lose all that money for doing nothing.

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Re: Hints & tips for Z21 (Black) or z21 (White) users
« Reply #84 on: January 13, 2017, 11:16:55 pm »
Quote from: ChrisWV10 link=topics ic=24531.msg422149#msg422149 date=1484331372
z21 start sets supplied with a multimaus but no router have the network port locked. Until now you had to buy a Roco wifi set (a pre configured router) and get an unlock code from their website by providing the serial numbers from the 2 sets. The new Fleischmann catalog now lists an unlock code for those who have their own router. It's available now from the Fleischmann on line store at a very reasonable    :thumbsdown: 29.99 euros

https://www.fleischmann.de/en/productsearch/0-10818-0-0-0-0-0-0/products.html

C. :)

Of course they could just supply it unlocked!  :hmmm:

So off to Scograil for a Z21 then!
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Re: Hints & tips for Z21 (Black) or z21 (White) users
« Reply #86 on: January 29, 2017, 12:50:00 pm »
Z21 function icons - all 34 of them, plus a host of new ones to come( operating pantographs, cranes etc - we can always hope!)

http://www.z21.eu/en/Z21-App/Function-icons
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Re: Hints & tips for Z21 (Black) or z21 (White) users
« Reply #87 on: February 02, 2017, 07:31:43 am »
Thank you for starting this thread, I have a Z21 Black, donít know why i always put Black, uppercase Z should be enough. I have noticed that the Thank You icon is not available so we are not able to do that for posts, oh well.

I think the Z21 is brilliant although i have very little knowledge on how to change CVís or what all the terminology mean, i find it hard to take in what i should be doing like can i trust updates and what is he/she going on about, terminology is hard for me to understand and take in, but i still love my Z21 and wish i could use it to itís fullest.

Anyway thanks again for a great thread and i will read all post and try to take in what is being said.   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Re: Hints & tips for Z21 (Black) or z21 (White) users
« Reply #88 on: February 02, 2017, 02:27:22 pm »
My phone seems to randomly change l/c to u/c and V/v so it's a sensible addition!
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Re: Hints & tips for Z21 (Black) or z21 (White) users
« Reply #89 on: February 06, 2017, 02:25:34 pm »
UK users of Z/z21 DCC units may be interested to know that extra two pole track power plugs are available from Maplin (http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/2-way-8a-pcb-mounting-horizontal-terminal-block-rising-clamp-381mm-a81ql) and A&H Models (http://www.aandhmodels.co.uk/10820part---spare-plug-for-z21-35235-p.asp).

Maplin sells them for £1.49 each, but charge £2.99 for postage(!), although collect from store is available. They're £2.50 each from A&H Models and I guess their postage may be less as the plugs' weight is negligible.
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