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Offline LAandNQFan

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Aberayron to Pencader
« on: September 09, 2014, 02:20:43 pm »
Hello,
I like the idea of a friendly forum where I can get my questions answered and have been impressed by the quality of tutorials such as that on fitting Dapol couplings to rolling stock.  If you would put up with my explanation of where Im at, Id be grateful for any comments on my plans.
I ran a model railway club at school in the 1980s and helped friends with their layouts, but a change of school and responsibilities put modelling on the back burner.  After I retired from teaching for the fourth time my wife asked why I did not start my own model.  I objected on grounds of cost and was told that I should look under the bed in the spare room, where I found hundreds of pounds of gear: boxes of track, 9 Electrofrog points, a tank engine I had made from a kit, ditto two Cavendish coaches, 20 Peco wagons, a box of Ratio and Kestrel kits, and packs and boxes of Woodland Scenics.  I had forgotten had much stuff I had squirreled away!
It was obviously time to make a start.  With all that material in GWR 1930s form, and many family connections to Ceredigion, I settled on a combo of Manchester and Milford, Carmarthen and Cardigan, and Lampeter, Aberayron and New Quay railways.  My plan is for a 10x6 u-shaped layout, having Pencader on the 26 side of the u, with two reversing loops beneath it to represent Aberystwyth and Carmarthen, Henllan across the bottom of the u and Aberayron on the other 1 side.  Henllan was on a curve, and Aberayron is shorter than Newcastle Emlyn and thinner than Cardigan.  I have started by making a 6x1 base on which Aberayron can fit at scale size, and Ive made the control panel for it to see if I can remember how to solder.
I used AnyRail (free edition) to make track plans and check my gradients.  I think Pencader will have to be 3 above datum, to allow for the reversing loops beneath, making sure that I dont conflict with the point motors and the road running under the station; Henllan will be 2 above datum and Aberayron 1 above, to allow for the River Aeron running through the station.  AnyRail says that my maximum gradient will be 1 in 40.  Trains, even between Carmarthen and Aberystwyth wont be longer than four coaches.  Will that be an acceptable slope?  It will actually be proto-typical on the Aberayron branch!
Im planning to use Gaugemaster foam ballast for laying the track.  The plan does not contain any round-and-round track and I want to run the goods services on the main line and the branch, which means that I need a reliable uncoupling system.  The Dapol Easi-shunt seems to be what I need, but apart from the new Pannier and the Autocoach set which I have bought, none of my other stock (including a new Prairie and recently-released Dapol wagons) have NEM sockets.  Ive bought some magnets, the conversion kit and some couplings with which I intend to experiment, before serious track-laying, to see if I can hide the magnets beneath the track or whether I need to have a grossly over-scale barrow crossing across the tracks!  If anyone has experience of hidden magnet placing which will still allow the delayed uncoupling feature, I would be very grateful for any hints.
Having all those attractive Ratio kits makes me wonder whether I should scratch-build proto-typical structures or take the easy option.  The engine shed at Aberayron was a very tatty corrugated iron affair; the original burned down in the 1920s and was replaced by one being demolished at Wrexham.  It was not an attractive sight!
 I hope that I havent tried your patience with this ramble.  If anyone thinks I am heading for disaster with this plan, please tell me!
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Re: Aberayron to Pencader
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2014, 02:21:54 pm »
hi And welcome... my only pointer would be not to use track foam unless you really have to, after a few years it will crumble away to nothing...



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Re: Aberayron to Pencader
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2014, 02:30:18 pm »
Welcome in :wave:

You lost me around paragraph 3 :D However, someone with answers to your questions will no doubt be along shortly :thumbsup:


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Re: Aberayron to Pencader
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2014, 02:31:46 pm »
Thanks, OnlyMe.  I understood the Gaugemaster MoltoprenTM foam was "closed cell" and unlike the friable foam underlay produced by other manufacturers.  Am I wrong?
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Re: Aberayron to Pencader
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2014, 02:38:25 pm »
Hello and welcome, wow what a find of model railway stuff you gathered over the years, on the incline always test your loco's to see what they will climb with the said coaches attached, that way you will not get any upsets a long the way when you come to run your loco's.

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Re: Aberayron to Pencader
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2014, 02:51:22 pm »
Welcome aboard.
Good luck with your layout.
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Re: Aberayron to Pencader
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2014, 05:01:11 pm »
Welcome to the forum :wave:
It's difficult to envisage the plan without sight of it. As you have it done in Anyrail, could you post a copy for us to see please?
I'd suggest you mock up a 1 in 40 ascent with a piece of board/track to check your locos are OK with it, but with a max 4 coach train I wouldn't have thought you'd have any issues :hmmm:
As you are building an end to end layout, if you consider buying any new locos I'd recommend you purchase a rolling road to run them in on.

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Re: Aberayron to Pencader
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2014, 05:32:17 pm »
Hi. 1:40 is 2.5%, which is supposed to be OK, but as NPN says, mock it up and see what your locos make of it.

Re the foam underlay. I did try it at one stage, but found it difficult to get the track level. I didn't use glue however as I was not confident my layout world work, so I used track pins. It looked OK, but was a bit like a roller coaster. I binned it and pinned the track down to the board. Some folk like using cork underlay, but you really need to cover the whole board with it, otherwise the platforms etc will not be at the correct height.

If you have the track going underneath , remember that if your loco derails at any point, it will be there, so make sure you can get at it.
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Re: Aberayron to Pencader
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2014, 10:31:48 pm »
It's difficult to envisage the plan without sight of it. As you have it done in Anyrail, could you post a copy for us to see please?

Sorry it took so long, NPN.  I had to export my AnyRail files as jpgs, combine them and then discover how to put files on the forum.  I'm probably breaking all the rules putting the img src code in directly.
The two upcurved ends from Pencader will run down to the fiddle yards below.
<img src="http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/MGalleryItem.php?id=15711" alt="" />
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Re: Aberayron to Pencader
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2014, 10:37:28 pm »
Like this:-



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Re: Aberayron to Pencader
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2014, 10:57:07 pm »
G'day from Australia and welcome to the NGF!  :wave:
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Re: Aberayron to Pencader
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2014, 11:08:31 pm »
Very good, OnlyMe, but if you are not going to tell me how to do it, you'll have to open this one up yourself as well!
It's the fiddle yard plan.  Space at the front and in the loops to get to de-railments, whatever they are, Malc.
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Re: Aberayron to Pencader
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2014, 11:12:48 pm »


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Re: Aberayron to Pencader
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2014, 11:13:51 pm »
Actually its like this with only a space between SMG and ID

[ smg id = 12345 ]

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Re: Aberayron to Pencader
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2014, 10:46:00 am »
I hope that this gives you a better idea of the starting board - Aberayron with the control panel and AnyRail full-scale printout.
Baseboard with AnyRail printout
Baseboard with AnyRail printout
And here is the baseboard, showing the cutout for the River Aeron ( The GWR never managed to mangle the name of the river as they did the town's name!     :smiley-laughing:)
Baseboard showing river cutout
Baseboard showing river cutout
Thanks for the pointer to insert pictures more neatly, OnlyMe.  Should I go back and tidy the posts above?
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