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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #2340 on: April 18, 2018, 11:02:11 am »
I'm sure I read that they were a modified (by length) version of the standard Rapido light bar, so I would expect that they can be easily re manufactured given sufficient interest.  Might be a cost premium though to do this.

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #2341 on: April 18, 2018, 11:22:58 am »
@Bob Tidbury
I stand corrected - humble apologies, Bob :sorrysign:

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #2342 on: April 18, 2018, 12:53:11 pm »
Newportnobby We all make mistakes Mick so  no apology needed  I will be ordering a set from Revolution when then they have sent out all the Pendos and then as and when I can afford it will get some of the Easy Peasy ones just for my Wrexham and Shropshire , and Chiltern Mainline coaches if Dapol make them .
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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #2343 on: April 18, 2018, 12:57:10 pm »
The irony is that I accidentally ordered two sets of light bars and had Revolution cancel the extra set ages ago, should have kept them - could have sold them for a fortune! ;-)

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #2344 on: April 18, 2018, 12:57:40 pm »
Thanks, Bob.
I would still sound a caveat about the (non Pendolino) Easy Peasy light bars in that they are too long for MK1s, suburbans and my 101/108 DMUs so might need shortening for your other use.

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #2345 on: April 18, 2018, 02:58:08 pm »
Out of the box test.

Note to myself, my test track is one coach too short  8)

Runs very well but also rapidly improves with running in.  If you look at the beginning of movement one is stickier than the other, the smother one was run for a while on its own first and it makes a difference.

I am very pleased with both models and well worth the wait.  There are no visible defects immediately obvious, although one drive bogie was partially unsnapped but I put this down to transit not build and it was easily fixed.

Congratulations to Ben and Mike, a job well done.  :thumbsup:


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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #2346 on: April 18, 2018, 03:40:01 pm »
@Ben A

A question on DCC synchronization.   

Does the rear loco move off before the front?  This is logical as it prevents the train being stretched and derailing if the front moves off first.

I have been running my set forward and backwards and this characteristic seems consistent.  If this is deliberate its a very good idea.
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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #2347 on: April 18, 2018, 03:44:50 pm »
Unless it is something Rapido or ESU programmed in I suspect it isn't deliberate and may just be that the rear power car uses the slack in the couplings before the front has enough traction to shift the set. Either that or variation in the motors/gears are they run in.

You'd probably see better with the power cars on by themselves.

Cheers, Mike



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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #2348 on: April 18, 2018, 03:52:42 pm »
Unless it is something Rapido or ESU programmed in I suspect it isn't deliberate and may just be that the rear power car uses the slack in the couplings before the front has enough traction to shift the set. Either that or variation in the motors/gears are they run in.

You'd probably see better with the power cars on by themselves.

Cheers, Mike

That's what I first thought but it does the same in both directions.

Also the chips are programmed as front and back as the horn always comes from the front power car and other functions.

I think the ESU chips can be programmed with a direction start delay for this purpose in American A-B-B-A F7 sets etc.

Not complaining it's very useful.  :D

I will run them for a couple of hours and see if it persists.

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #2349 on: April 18, 2018, 04:01:42 pm »
I am very pleased with both models and well worth the wait.  There are no visible defects immediately obvious, although one drive bogie was partially unsnapped but I put this down to transit not build and it was easily fixed.

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One of mine was the same but as you say easily pushed into position.

Cheers

Paul

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #2350 on: April 18, 2018, 04:15:17 pm »
Unless it is something Rapido or ESU programmed in I suspect it isn't deliberate and may just be that the rear power car uses the slack in the couplings before the front has enough traction to shift the set. Either that or variation in the motors/gears are they run in.

You'd probably see better with the power cars on by themselves.

Cheers, Mike

That's what I first thought but it does the same in both directions.

Also the chips are programmed as front and back as the horn always comes from the front power car and other functions.

I think the ESU chips can be programmed with a direction start delay for this purpose in American A-B-B-A F7 sets etc.

Not complaining it's very useful.  :D

I will run them for a couple of hours and see if it persists.

Hi

I noticed that if you turn the sound off the two power cars appear to move at the same time.

Cheers

Paul

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #2351 on: April 18, 2018, 04:25:43 pm »
Ah perhaps Ian (Legomanbiffo) and ESU have programmed something clever in!



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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #2352 on: April 18, 2018, 04:26:26 pm »
Unless it is something Rapido or ESU programmed in I suspect it isn't deliberate and may just be that the rear power car uses the slack in the couplings before the front has enough traction to shift the set. Either that or variation in the motors/gears are they run in.

You'd probably see better with the power cars on by themselves.

Cheers, Mike



That's what I first thought but it does the same in both directions.

Also the chips are programmed as front and back as the horn always comes from the front power car and other functions.

I think the ESU chips can be programmed with a direction start delay for this purpose in American A-B-B-A F7 sets etc.

Not complaining it's very useful.  :D

I will run them for a couple of hours and see if it persists.

Hi

I noticed that if you turn the sound off the two power cars appear to move at the same time.

Cheers

Paul

I think time and running in will tell.

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #2353 on: April 18, 2018, 04:37:30 pm »
For the techies among us (yes you know who you are :)), without light bars the DCC sound version draws 170mA stationary and 300mA moving slowly.  When I fit the light bars I will test again.

That's not bad for a two motor 10 coach train (no room for the 11th).

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #2354 on: April 18, 2018, 04:48:58 pm »
I've just had a good running in session and I've now changed a point going into the down fiddle yard  I did get a bit of a problem sometimes with my other stock but when trying  the Pendo  flat out it showed the problem nearly every time NOW if I want to The Pendo can go flat out into and out of both fiddle yards.
I am really happy with the way mine runs I have found the best speed for me is about half way on a Morley hand held controller .
NOT THAT I WILL RUN IT FLAT OUT but I usually test everything flat out then I know if my mates are running things if I go up the house there shouldn't  be a massive problem when I go back.
While running it I had a look at the little bag of bits ,Some people said they have got some spare  wheels in their bag is there supposed to be some because I havnt got any and it doesn't mention wheels in the booklet.
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