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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #120 on: September 16, 2014, 11:06:55 pm »
Hello Owl,

Perfectly reasonable questions.

When you pledge, no money is taken.  Only if the campaign reaches its *full* target is any cash required.  That money is paid to Kickstarter, then placed into an account administered by Mike and me that will be opened solely for the purposes of this project.

At key milestones money will be released to the factory for CAD, then tooling, then first shots, then full production.  At each stage, of course, the incentive for the company is to complete the task to release the next tranche of capital.  And at each stage investors will be kept fully informed of progress; one of our "incentive" ideas is to share CAD drawings, and photos of samples etc with backers a good few weeks before showing them on the internet etc. to the rest of the world.

Once the models have been assembled and sent to the UK they will be distributed by Kernow models, as part of their ongoing relationship with DJM.  DJM will also commission an additional number of units and parts to ensure a ready supply of spares and replacements as, in any mass production, there will inevitably be a small number of failures.  The costs of distribution are being met by DJM as part of the package.  If you are abroad there may be an additional delivery charge.

There are risks - of course - and Mike and I are currently working through strategies to mitigate these as best we can.  Bear in mind I'll be in for two units - ie 500 pledge - and I think Mike is the same.  And neither of us wants to lose our cash!

We've been talking to those in the industry and been given some fantastic advice as well as top tips on pitfalls to look out for and we are very grateful to those who've shared their expertise with us.

When we actually launch on Kickstarter there is a mandatory section that outlines the risk and I am hoping at that stage there will be plenty more flesh on the bones that will offer reassurance..

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #121 on: September 17, 2014, 01:09:09 am »
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A) Where or who does the 250 project fund go to?

B) What safe guards are in place to insure the money doesn't go walkies?

Please forgive the tone of the question but if I'm giving Big money to something I would like to know this investment is secured.
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please bare the following in mind....

https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/kickstarter-is-not-a-store

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #122 on: September 17, 2014, 01:44:20 pm »
Hello Ben

Will you be using your transparent couplings on this project?

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #123 on: September 17, 2014, 01:53:30 pm »
Ben A and Mickster04 many thanks for your replies and explaining everything :thumbsup:


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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #124 on: September 17, 2014, 10:46:44 pm »

Hello Mike,

The inter-vehicle coupling system has not been finalised - that sort of detailed design is pointless until we know we have funding.

The real thing has the couplers "inside" the gangway - see this link:

http://metcam.co.uk.nstempintl.com/pics/68810.jpg

I suspect we will do something similar using some form of simple and discreet bar coupler.  I will want to make it easier to connect than the Farish Voyager which works well once they're snapped in but is "awkward" in dim lighting in an exhibition hall at 9.55am!

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #125 on: September 17, 2014, 10:47:47 pm »
Ben A and Mickster04 many thanks for your replies and explaining everything :thumbsup:


No probs - the only dumb question is the one you don't ask!

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #126 on: September 18, 2014, 07:34:11 am »

Hello Mike,

The inter-vehicle coupling system has not been finalised - that sort of detailed design is pointless until we know we have funding.

The real thing has the couplers "inside" the gangway - see this link:

http://metcam.co.uk.nstempintl.com/pics/68810.jpg

I suspect we will do something similar using some form of simple and discreet bar coupler.  I will want to make it easier to connect than the Farish Voyager which works well once they're snapped in but is "awkward" in dim lighting in an exhibition hall at 9.55am!

cheers

Ben

Would it be possible to do something like the Kato bullet train connectors? They are so easy and work well :thumbsup: Appreciate there may be copyright issues though :thumbsdown: The Farish Voyager couplings are awful to connect :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #127 on: September 18, 2014, 05:29:38 pm »
Hi Pengi,

I'm not familiar with the Kato bullet train - can you photograph or describe the couplers on them?

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #128 on: September 18, 2014, 08:42:43 pm »
the dapol voyager magnetic coupling are an elegant alternative?
I just think people overvalue argument because they like to hear themselves talk.

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #129 on: September 19, 2014, 10:57:24 pm »
Surely something like the coupling system on the Dapol 156 would work well, which is a hidden hook and eye. But the pivoting gangways are very clever since the allow close coupling but move when going round corners. It's not too fiddly to put together.
Of course at te other end, the cab end on the 156, thre is the Sharfenberg coupler which I think is made by tomix. Dave from DJM will be familiar with both of these alternatives.
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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #130 on: September 20, 2014, 08:53:59 pm »
Hi Pengi,

I'm not familiar with the Kato bullet train - can you photograph or describe the couplers on them?

cheers

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #131 on: September 21, 2014, 01:50:34 pm »
Pictures of Kato Nozomi 500 couplings - the mechanism of which is probably subject to copyright

View of the coupling end on. There is a lug halfway up the carriage which cannot be seen in this picture


View of coupling showing the lug


The two carriages just push together with a reassuring 'click'


There is hardly any gap between the carriages


View underneath and on top of the connected carriages




I think Kato have got it spot on with this mechanism :thumbsup: There are no issues with carriages becoming uncoupled when going round the track (either on 381 or 414 mm curves)


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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #132 on: September 23, 2014, 07:35:34 pm »
I have signed up for this. As some of my friends at my local shop have said, " why has no one including the big manufactures " thought of this before......
The demand is there but no body seems ta want to push the development of this item...
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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #133 on: September 23, 2014, 08:54:11 pm »

Hi Pengi

Thanks for posting those photos - very helpful.  You may be right about that specific coupler being patented however I imagine something similar but different should be achievable. 

The key thing appears to be having the coupler inside the corridor connector, so it's entirely hidden from view.   The prototype Pendolinos have this, so I see no reason why we should not.

In answer to your comment dude2112, the major manufacturers have consistently found that OHLE models - no matter how good - don't sell in the quantities they would like - cf the Class 350 Desiro and the Class 86.  They can't make a business case for a Pendolino, however by going "direct" to the factory we think we can.

But I think the critical thing is to get the message out to the "rule 1" modellers who may not usually go for OHLE models but might make an exception for such an iconic and complete express train.

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #134 on: September 27, 2014, 01:02:52 am »
I look forward to seeing this develop (fingers crossed)

What I like about 'foreign' Multiple units or fixed formation train sets in model form is that they sell you the whole train or set.
This is something I hope this project does.

In Dapol I can buy a HST  box set which gives me front and rear drive units plus x2 coaches!
Other UK manufacturers do the same with fixed formation trains??  Why?

It's like buying a diecast boxed set of the Red Arrows in 1/72nd scale but only getting 4 out of the 9 aircraft!

Overseas manufacturers tend to release the train set as whole, not wanting their customers wait 2/3 years later to purchase the extra carriages!!

Hope this Pendo set offers a complete set.


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