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Author Topic: Dapol Grange...maybe sometime soon.  (Read 38802 times)

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Re: Dapol Grange...maybe sometime soon.
« Reply #75 on: July 30, 2015, 06:49:18 pm »
OK. I submit.  :whiteflag:

If I get into deep doo-doo I shall be blaming you lot!  >:D

However, I have decided to for the GWR shirtbutton version, 2S-019-001, (6820 "Kingstone Grange") to go with my Dapol coaches with the same emblem.

It's not in stock and no date, so far.

Anyone got an idea of when it may hit the shops?

Dave G

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Re: Dapol Grange...maybe sometime soon.
« Reply #76 on: July 30, 2015, 08:42:31 pm »
Since someone said the Grange looked like it was using the Hall chassis I've been worried.

I'm on holiday at the moment but saw one alongside a Hall at Buckfastleigh Station. Can someone please advise if it is modelled on the Hall or Manor chassis? I feel it should be closer to the Manor but if it is the Hall I doubt I will be buying one as I don't want another load to work to make the damn thing go around 9" radius curves.

I guess sometime I'll have to build another layout..........................

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Re: Dapol Grange...maybe sometime soon.
« Reply #77 on: July 30, 2015, 09:34:42 pm »
Hi GrahamB, the Hall, Manor and Grange all have the same driver wheel base.  It was me who made the comment about the chassis, only because the gears are covered on the Grange I have similar to the Hall.

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Re: Dapol Grange...maybe sometime soon.
« Reply #78 on: July 30, 2015, 09:41:45 pm »
Hi GrahamB, the Hall, Manor and Grange all have the same driver wheel base.  It was me who made the comment about the chassis, only because the gears are covered on the Grange I have similar to the Hall.
Thanks for that. I'll have to have a measure up when I get home. From memory the Manor should be shorter than the Hall. My Manors will go around 8" radius curves with no trouble but my Halls have always been a pain in the proverbial. I did do some work on the drive shaft which helps no end but they are still poor performers while my 2884's are excellent.

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Re: Dapol Grange...maybe sometime soon.
« Reply #79 on: July 30, 2015, 10:22:07 pm »
Yes the Manor is just over a foot shorter than the Hall, the Grange is the same length as the Hall, however the wheel diameter on the Grange is the same as the Manor.

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Re: Dapol Grange...maybe sometime soon.
« Reply #80 on: July 31, 2015, 02:43:21 pm »
Interesting - does that mean Dapol are using Manor wheels on the Grange, and Hall body parts?

Sounds like an ideal mongrel for them to scavenge parts from existing tooling!

Cheers,
Alan
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If Dr Al is online he may be able to provide a more comprehensive answer.

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Re: Dapol Grange...maybe sometime soon.
« Reply #81 on: July 31, 2015, 02:46:17 pm »
The wheels look like a new metal tooling. The original Ixion Manors had wheels with plastic centres I think.
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

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Re: Dapol Grange...maybe sometime soon.
« Reply #82 on: August 01, 2015, 10:02:39 am »
I thought I'd take some comparison photos of the Dapol Grange next to the Manor and Hall (plus the Ixon Manor, for good measure).  All in BR lined green.

Ixon Manor






Dapol Manor






Dapol Grange






Dapol Hall






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Re: Dapol Grange...maybe sometime soon.
« Reply #83 on: August 01, 2015, 05:55:54 pm »
Interesting - does that mean Dapol are using Manor wheels on the Grange, and Hall body parts?

Sounds like an ideal mongrel for them to scavenge parts from existing tooling!

Cheers,
Alan

Looking at my Dapol Manor, Grange and Hall it certainly looks like the Grange is a combination of Hall boiler and cab, Manor running plate, Hall chassis and Manor wheels.  I'm sure the reality is much more complicated - I Imagine the running plate is actually a new tooling - but it does look like the Grange was a relatively easy loco for Dapol to do.

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Re: Dapol Grange...maybe sometime soon.
« Reply #84 on: August 09, 2015, 09:54:19 pm »
Thanks, Kris. You might, just might, have convinced me to part with some wonga :help:

Now we're a bit further down the line (soz :-[) has anyone who has a Grange got any further comments we should all know about please? I'm still not sure whether to take the plunge :-\

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Re: Dapol Grange...maybe sometime soon.
« Reply #85 on: August 10, 2015, 07:43:37 am »
In particular I'd like to know how they are with 9" radius curves. Yes, I know that at some point I'll need to build a new layout with easier curves but not just yet.

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Re: Dapol Grange...maybe sometime soon.
« Reply #86 on: August 10, 2015, 09:05:18 am »
In particular I'd like to know how they are with 9" radius curves. Yes, I know that at some point I'll need to build a new layout with easier curves but not just yet.
My example that I reviewed for the N Gauge Journal struggled with 9" radius curves. I have not yet had a chance to have a proper look at the reason why. Several people have reported that the cardan shafts Dapol use to connect the tender drive to the loco often have a bit of plastic flash at one and and this can cause problems on curves. As soon as I get a chance I will check to see if this is the cause of the problem.
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

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Re: Dapol Grange...maybe sometime soon.
« Reply #87 on: August 10, 2015, 11:21:45 am »
Just heard from Kevin at Dapol that the shirtbutton Grange (2S-019-001) 'will be released in approximately 2/3 weeks time'.

That's hopeful and gives me another few weeks to save for something I hadn't budgeted for; a bit like half of what I've got already!!!

I don't/won't have any 9" radius curves but it will be interesting to learn the outcome of tests and checks.

Dave G

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Re: Dapol Grange...maybe sometime soon.
« Reply #88 on: August 10, 2015, 04:18:59 pm »
I knew I should have put money on you getting one, Dave :doh:

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Re: Dapol Grange...maybe sometime soon.
« Reply #89 on: August 10, 2015, 04:21:36 pm »
I don't/won't have any 9" radius curves but it will be interesting to learn the outcome of tests and checks.
I really want to give mine a tinker to improve it (I have already fixed the route discs). But I am off on holiday soon so I suspect any mechanical fettling will need to wait until I get back.
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

 

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