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Offline joe cassidy

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Re: Union Mills Prince of Wales
« Reply #45 on: January 01, 2014, 08:34:07 pm »
The link to youtube worked for me, and I enjoyed the review.

Happy New Year to all !


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Re: Union Mills Prince of Wales
« Reply #46 on: January 01, 2014, 08:55:11 pm »
Good video!
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Re: Union Mills Prince of Wales
« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2014, 04:33:08 pm »
Help educate the American - why were the Prince of Wales' service runs so relatively short?

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Re: Union Mills Prince of Wales
« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2014, 04:51:37 pm »
The LNWR express passenger locos disappeared relatively quickly from the LMS rosters for a number of reasons. First of all, the influence of the former Midland Railway was much stronger in the early days of the LMS under Sir Henry Fowler - thus new versions of old Midland types such as the 2Ps and Compounds were produced, whereas the LNWR designs were not taken up. Secondly, the PoW class were not especially efficient, delightful though they were! It was only the advent of WW2 that permitted a few lonely survivors of the Claughton and PoW classes to linger as late as 1947-9.

The LMS was not able to eradicate the old LNWR freight types so easily - especially the Super D 0-8-0. These wonderful old locos were simply so good that they managed to outlast the indifferent replacements that the LMS had designed to supplant them. Thus even in the late 1950s the characteristic asthmatic wheeze of an elderly Super D was a common feature on the London Midland region.


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Re: Union Mills Prince of Wales
« Reply #49 on: March 03, 2014, 04:53:29 pm »
Thanks Padre! Just what I was looking for. Thankfully, Rule 1 exists!  :thankyousign: :NGaugersRule:
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Re: Union Mills Prince of Wales
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2014, 03:57:54 pm »
Were the Prince of Wales locos strictly passenger service, or did they haul freight as well?
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Re: Union Mills Prince of Wales
« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2014, 04:38:36 pm »
Originally top link express passenger locos, the advent of new LMS designs meant that the Prince of Wales locos were cascaded down to various other duties including freight by the mid to late 30s.

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Re: Union Mills Prince of Wales
« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2014, 04:43:16 pm »
Thanks again!
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Re: Union Mills Prince of Wales
« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2014, 04:48:34 pm »
Good info from IP  ...

I often use wiki as a quick reference guide and get helpful 'starter info' that way. E.g

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNWR_Prince_of_Wales_Class

and then take the search further as and if needed.

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Re: Union Mills Prince of Wales
« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2014, 06:12:18 pm »
Always glad to discuss the LNWR!! Here's a shot illustrating how the Premier Line's express locos fared in later life :

http://chasewaterstuff.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/141-–-chasewaterrailwaymuseum-bits-pieces-from-chasewater-news-autumn-1991-–-part-4-more-sid-browne-memories-–-pete-aldridge/claughton-goods/

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Re: Union Mills Prince of Wales
« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2014, 03:48:25 am »
I was curious about the rake of coaches that might be seen behind one of these back in her day...

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Re: Union Mills Prince of Wales
« Reply #56 on: April 04, 2014, 04:13:47 am »
I don't comment on British N gauge much these days but Union Mills is an exception, the new models look great in both liveries.

If only all British N gauge was as powerful and reliable as UM, I may still have been modelling British in stead of American.

Sadly I live in Oz, after having two items vanish into thin air I don't buy online anymore so UM is a no no for me.
Keep on Smiling
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Re: Union Mills Prince of Wales
« Reply #57 on: April 04, 2014, 06:30:49 am »
I was curious about the rake of coaches that might be seen behind one of these back in her day...

Etched Pixels is your best guide here on what's available in kit form. But you could run some Farish Staniers behind them, as that stock was brought in during the declining years of the POWs. I suspect that the old Farish'generic' coaches in maroon might also look ok........

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Re: Union Mills Prince of Wales
« Reply #58 on: April 04, 2014, 01:19:08 pm »
I was curious about the rake of coaches that might be seen behind one of these back in her day...

Probably the better LNWR coaches of the day in most cases. There are two problems with LNWR coaches however

- None RTR, and limited kit choice (50ft non corridor stock, 30'1 six wheelers), and not a lot more in scratch aids

- The livery. It's a set of dark and light colours with fine lines and detail. It's an absolute  :censored: to paint but was a beautiful thing to look at.

I've got a Prince of Wales that needs some coaches too, but so far I've been dealing with the loco - adding extra lining, etching replacement nameplates etc.

For most people (me included most definitely) the right approach for LNWR coaches is almost certainly going to involve pre-printed vinyl sides. I have plans, and a test 3D printed shell on my desk, but nothing will be happening just yet - lots of other projects to finish first.

Alan
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Re: Union Mills Prince of Wales
« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2014, 02:07:56 pm »

- The livery. It's a set of dark and light colours with fine lines and detail. It's an absolute  :censored: to paint but was a beautiful thing to look at.


Not very unlike a few of the liveries applied to more modern stock ('Dynamic Lines', anyone?)
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