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Title: New B
Post by: Garyf on June 13, 2018, 09:54:24 pm
Hi,
I've come back to railway modelling after a long break. I started with n gauge 40 years ago. I went down the continental route as l felt the quality of British outline wasn't good enough. The layout was dismantled due to a house move and never reassembled, most has been lost or sold so I'm starting afresh.
I'm thinking of modelling a nearby heritage railway because it gives much more freedom to choose rolling stock and I'm already building a large quantity of photos. My initial questions are relating track and control, should I go dcc and will rtr locos run on code 55 rails.

Any comments welcome.

Gary
Title: Re: New B
Post by: Railwaygun on June 13, 2018, 10:38:29 pm
Recent locos will run on code 55 - ie Farish after the move to Bachmann & Chinese factories. Dapol is ok.

As for DCC - see comments here:

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41469.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41469.0)

Most newish locos are DCC ready ( ie DCC plug present) or can be purchased DCC fitted. Some are DCC friendly - ie need hard wiring, but may have a recess for the DCC chip ( ie new GF GWR railcar)
Title: Re: New B
Post by: Train Waiting on June 13, 2018, 10:41:26 pm
Welcome aboard, Gary

This might be helpful - it certainly helped me.

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=35556.msg416493#msg416493 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=35556.msg416493#msg416493)

Modern ready to run stock should be fine running on Code 55 track.

With regard to DCC or DC (Analogue) control, there has been a lot of useful discussion on the Forum.  You might find the posts of interest.

Best wishes.

John

Title: Re: New B
Post by: Bealman on June 13, 2018, 11:56:55 pm
G'day from Australia, Gary, and welcome to the NGF!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New B
Post by: port perran on June 14, 2018, 06:34:37 am
Welcome aboard Gary.
Enjoy the forum
Title: Re: New B
Post by: Tank on June 14, 2018, 07:08:29 am
Welcome to the forum, and I hope you have fun building your new layout.  :)
Title: Re: New B
Post by: Garyf on June 14, 2018, 08:37:06 am
Thanks for the welcome and the links to some of the discussions. I started to browse some of the posts after I posted my intro. There's a lot of reading for me here, hopefully it will help me avoid the mistakes I made last time round.

Gary
Title: Re: New B
Post by: dannyboy on June 14, 2018, 11:12:26 am
Welcome to the forum Gary. As you have seen, there is plenty to read on the forum and there are plenty of knowledgeable and talented people here.
Title: Re: New B
Post by: Bealman on June 14, 2018, 11:16:32 am
Thanks for the welcome and the links to some of the discussions. I started to browse some of the posts after I posted my intro. There's a lot of reading for me here, hopefully it will help me avoid the mistakes I made last time round.

Gary

Mate, I didn't even know N gauge had DCC until I joined this forum!!  :beers:
Title: Re: New B
Post by: Newportnobby on June 14, 2018, 12:37:10 pm
Hi Gary, and welcome to the forum :wave:
I use code 55 throughout and run old Minitrix, Poole Farish, Chinese Farish, Dapol, Ixion, Peco and RevolutioN Trains with no issues at all :no:
Title: Re: New B
Post by: talisman56 on June 14, 2018, 01:18:45 pm
I've never had any issues running any rolling stock (locos, coaches, wagons, whatever) on Peco Code 55 trackwork.

Code 40, on the other hand...   :uneasy:
Title: Re: New B
Post by: Garyf on June 14, 2018, 01:25:09 pm
 Good to hear code 55 seems to be the way to go, n gauge track was always my biggest disappointment with my old layout. I'm thinking that DCC maybe overall for my relatively simple layout, I presume DCC ready locos will happily run DC.

Gary
Title: Re: New B
Post by: talisman56 on June 14, 2018, 01:30:21 pm
Good to hear code 55 seems to be the way to go, n gauge track was always my biggest disappointment with my old layout. I'm thinking that DCC maybe overall for my relatively simple layout, I presume DCC ready locos will happily run DC.

Gary

With regard to DCC on DC you will have to make sure that the DC controller is one that will produce the electric stuff to N gauge standards. Some controllers suitable for OO as well can produce over-voltages on DC that can fry the DCC chip...
Title: Re: New B
Post by: Newportnobby on June 14, 2018, 03:57:06 pm
My knowledge of DCC is minimal but I understood 'DCC ready' was a DC loco which, when fitted with the chip of your choice, becomes 'DCC fitted'. Therefore a 'DCC ready' loco can and should be run in on DC to ensure the loco runs OK before fitting the chip. A 'DCC fitted' loco can and should be run in on DCC. Some 'DCC fitted' locos such as the Peco 22xx steam loco and the RevolutioN Trains Pendolino recognise analogue and digital control, although if DCC fitted and with sound, only limited sound will be heard on DC.
By all means correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: New B
Post by: talisman56 on June 14, 2018, 04:05:03 pm
My knowledge of DCC is minimal but I understood 'DCC ready' was a DC loco which, when fitted with the chip of your choice, becomes 'DCC fitted'. Therefore a 'DCC ready' loco can and should be run in on DC to ensure the loco runs OK before fitting the chip. A 'DCC fitted' loco can and should be run in on DCC. Some 'DCC fitted' locos such as the Peco 22xx steam loco and the RevolutioN Trains Pendolino recognise analogue and digital control, although if DCC fitted and with sound, only limited sound will be heard on DC.
By all means correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, everything you understand is correct, but there can still be issues with some 'universal' controllers providing too much juice in certain circumstances and affecting the PCB that the chip (or blanking plug if not chip-fitted) is plugged into.

Just something to keep in mind...
Title: Re: New B
Post by: Railwaygun on June 14, 2018, 04:12:57 pm
My knowledge of DCC is minimal but I understood 'DCC ready' was a DC loco which, when fitted with the chip of your choice, becomes 'DCC fitted'. Therefore a 'DCC ready' loco can and should be run in on DC to ensure the loco runs OK before fitting the chip. A 'DCC fitted' loco can and should be run in on DCC. Some 'DCC fitted' locos such as the Peco 22xx steam loco and the RevolutioN Trains Pendolino recognise analogue and digital control, although if DCC fitted and with sound, only limited sound will be heard on DC.
By all means correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, everything you understand is correct, but there can still be issues with some 'universal' controllers providing too much juice in certain circumstances and affecting the PCB that the chip (or blanking plug if not chip-fitted) is plugged into.

Just something to keep in mind...

Avoid the cheap Bachman DCC controllers - they have a bad reputation.

Why not start with a simple dc layout and DCC Ready loco(s) , ( try Kato Unitrack for reliability, and ease of reconfiguration), and then upgrade slowly?

Attend a few MR shows , join a local club , and see if it suits you?

NickR

Title: Re: New B
Post by: Garyf on June 14, 2018, 04:23:56 pm
My knowledge of DCC is minimal but I understood 'DCC ready' was a DC loco which, when fitted with the chip of your choice, becomes 'DCC fitted'. Therefore a 'DCC ready' loco can and should be run in on DC to ensure the loco runs OK before fitting the chip. A 'DCC fitted' loco can and should be run in on DCC. Some 'DCC fitted' locos such as the Peco 22xx steam loco and the RevolutioN Trains Pendolino recognise analogue and digital control, although if DCC fitted and with sound, only limited sound will be heard on DC.
By all means correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, everything you understand is correct, but there can still be issues with some 'universal' controllers providing too much juice in certain circumstances and affecting the PCB that the chip (or blanking plug if not chip-fitted) is plugged into.

Just something to keep in mind...

Avoid the cheap Bachman DCC controllers - they have a bad reputation.

Why not start with a simple dc layout and DCC Ready loco(s) , ( try Kato Unitrack for reliability, and ease of reconfiguration), and then upgrade slowly?

Attend a few MR shows , join a local club , and see if it suits you?

NickR
That's pretty much what I am thinking, the local club has a show soon so I'll pay them a visit. I've spent most of today reading bits of the forum and looking at what's available commercially and come to the conclusion that a DC layout and some bits from block signalling should give me what I want.

Gary
Title: Re: New B
Post by: bluedepot on June 14, 2018, 08:15:31 pm
hello and welcome and good luck with your new layout


tim
Title: Re: New B
Post by: Caz on June 14, 2018, 08:27:08 pm
Welcome to our friendly forum Gary, great to have you on board.   Code 55 is definitely the way to go and DC or DCC it's your choice but I'm prejudiced and would choose DCC every time, it adds so much more enjoyment to the railway.