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General Category => N Gauge Discussion => Military => Topic started by: kirky on May 16, 2018, 02:33:23 pm

Title: Help needed - what paint for 3d military models?
Post by: kirky on May 16, 2018, 02:33:23 pm
I wonder if some of our military modellers maybe able to help?
When the N gauge society warflats eventually are released, I'm planning on a couple of military trains to run on Northallerton (the branch line to Redmire is used by the military at Catterick, there are occasional trains)
I've bought myself some nice little 3d printed models from https://www.butlersprintedmodels.co.uk (https://www.butlersprintedmodels.co.uk). I bought a few Saxons and few Scimitars. On first inspection they look really nice models and very cheap. And on top of that, they printed them at 1/148!

Anyway, I will need to paint them - so what are my choices? Id prefer to paint them looking something like this

http://arcaneafvs.com/fv107scimitar.html (http://arcaneafvs.com/fv107scimitar.html)

I have absolutely no knowledge of military modelling - I had to ask a friend what to buy in the first place - but I do have an airbrush. What colour paints to I need? Im guessing that most military modellers paint using acrylics?

cheers
Kirky
Title: Re: Help needed - what paint for 3d military models?
Post by: kirky on May 16, 2018, 04:25:52 pm
Thanks for that. Really I have no idea about military modelling, and I really need to know which specific colours to use to get that green/black camouflage effect. I guess there are several ranges available.
Any help greatly appreciated.

I should have said in my first post that someone on here mentioned butlersprintedmodels - cant rmember who, but thanks anyway.

Kirky
Title: Re: Help needed - what paint for 3d military models?
Post by: javlinfaw7 on May 16, 2018, 04:58:09 pm
http://hataka-hobby.com/products/modern-british-army-raf-afv-paint-set/ (http://hataka-hobby.com/products/modern-british-army-raf-afv-paint-set/)
colours are as attached,also available from other manufacturers
Title: Re: Help needed - what paint for 3d military models?
Post by: kirky on May 16, 2018, 05:13:26 pm
[url]http://hataka-hobby.com/products/modern-british-army-raf-afv-paint-set/[/url] ([url]http://hataka-hobby.com/products/modern-british-army-raf-afv-paint-set/[/url])
colours are as attached,also available from other manufacturers

Yep, thats exactly the info I needed, thanks.

Kirky
Title: Re: Help needed - what paint for 3d military models?
Post by: kirky on May 16, 2018, 07:04:29 pm
No need to apologise @crewearpley40 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3894)

Many thanks for your input.


Kirky
Title: Re: Help needed - what paint for 3d military models?
Post by: Railwaygun on May 17, 2018, 09:21:46 am
@snowwolfflair recommends Tamiya if you have 3d prints
Tamiya spray gunmetal is a very nice metallic and is ether based so can go straight on FUD

I always use Halfords Grey  undercoat ( also cheap) ( or red) as it shows up the bits needing attention! ) plus any tamiya sprays to hand

Warhammer paints are but readily available for gunmetal and other metallics

Title: Re: Help needed - what paint for 3d military models?
Post by: Simon D. on May 17, 2018, 11:40:36 am
https://www.snmstuff.co.uk/ (https://www.snmstuff.co.uk/) (crazy name!) have a very fast service and a huge range of paints.
Title: Re: Help needed - what paint for 3d military models?
Post by: kirky on May 18, 2018, 07:45:13 pm
Well this is what arrived from Butlersprintedmodels. Printed at 1/148th.
Im really pleased with the models. Its a bit of a delicate operation to remove the support material, but there is a youtube video which shows you how to do it.

This is one of the scimitars. I'll be painting them up tonight hopefully

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/492-180518193916.jpeg)

cheers
Kirky
Title: Re: Help needed - what paint for 3d military models?
Post by: Railwaygun on May 19, 2018, 08:19:48 am
there ius a thread on preparing 3DPs with tips here

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41307.msg508726;topicseen#new (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41307.msg508726;topicseen#new)
Title: Re: Help needed - what paint for 3d military models?
Post by: kirky on May 19, 2018, 09:02:54 am
Thanks for that @Railwaygun (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=941). Ive been following his thread. To be honest I dont think these military models are printed with FUD, I would suggest they arent as brittle as FUD but I may be wrong. I've done a couple of things in FUD, a track tamper and the RHTT set. Neither of these came out the box in the same way as the BPM kits. These kits have lots of support material still attached wheras the shapeways kit I've had has never had any support material when its arrived on my doorstop. Not sure if there is a different printing process or shapeways remove it first?
Either way the military models were a snip compared to the price of kit I have bought through shapeways. That scimitar for instance was a mere 2.50.
I painted them last night, so I should go and take some pictures to post. I'm a bit loathed to though cos I'm definitely not a militrary modeller. However, the effect should be ok when they are strapped to NGS warflat.

cheers
Kirky
Title: Re: Help needed - what paint for 3d military models?
Post by: kirky on May 19, 2018, 09:45:32 am
deep breath .....

some pictures - my first military models - be gentle folks....

a saxon

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/492-190518093551.jpeg)

a couple of scimitars

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/492-190518093623.jpeg)

A viking thing - very messy I'm afraid

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/492-190518093648.jpeg)

and finally for the sake of contrast a model in white metal from PG models. Is that a Sultan? - I dunno I'm afraid.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/492-190518093717.jpeg)

I think most noticeably on the PG model, the varnish has dried white. Not sure they need varnishing to be honest but I had some out so they got a blast. Ill repaint them when I do the rest - I have a few more to do.
I think I should have used a mask when doing the two tone colours to give me a clearly definition, but as I say I'll have to repaint anyway.

Thanks
Kirky
Title: Re: Help needed - what paint for 3d military models?
Post by: Richard G Dallimore on May 19, 2018, 10:33:49 am
Varnish problem probably due to cold, whitemetal items need to be kept some where warm before varnishing. I have had this with large wargaming items and thought being in a warm room would be enough, but the model was still cold. This only my suspicion.
Title: Re: Help needed - what paint for 3d military models?
Post by: Railwaygun on May 19, 2018, 11:52:05 am
Thanks for that @Railwaygun ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=941[/url]). Ive been following his thread. To be honest I dont think these military models are printed with FUD, I would suggest they arent as brittle as FUD but I may be wrong. I've done a couple of things in FUD, a track tamper and the RHTT set. Neither of these came out the box in the same way as the BPM kits. These kits have lots of support material still attached wheras the shapeways kit I've had has never had any support material when its arrived on my doorstop. Not sure if there is a different printing process or shapeways remove it first?
Either way the military models were a snip compared to the price of kit I have bought through shapeways. That scimitar for instance was a mere 2.50.
I painted them last night, so I should go and take some pictures to post. I'm a bit loathed to though cos I'm definitely not a militrary modeller. However, the effect should be ok when they are strapped to NGS warflat.

cheers
Kirky


but the 3' view will be fine! i think they look pretty good! and in 1/148!

Acetone may tone down the ridging a bit - try it on a scrap model / bit of sprue.
Title: Re: Help needed - what paint for 3d military models?
Post by: kirky on May 19, 2018, 02:22:06 pm

but the 3' view will be fine! i think they look pretty good! and in 1/148!

Acetone may tone down the ridging a bit - try it on a scrap model / bit of sprue.
Thanks for the encouragement.
I'm not sure I know what you mean by 'ridging'?

cheers
Kirky
Title: Re: Help needed - what paint for 3d military models?
Post by: Railwaygun on May 19, 2018, 06:18:44 pm

but the 3' view will be fine! i think they look pretty good! and in 1/148!

Acetone may tone down the ridging a bit - try it on a scrap model / bit of sprue.
Thanks for the encouragement.
I'm not sure I know what you mean by 'ridging'?

cheers
Kirky
THE Parallel lines on the Viking body / trailer. Caused by the layering of the plastic as the beam moves back and forth when printing
Title: Re: Help needed - what paint for 3d military models?
Post by: kirky on May 19, 2018, 06:25:45 pm
]THE Parallel lines on the Viking body / trailer. Caused by the layering of the plastic as the beam printhead moves back and forth when printing

Ah yes, thanks. I hadn't paid that much attention to that - I shall have to look more closely at the real thing. The thing I thought was messy was the tank tracks - that seems to be a less than perfect print which was made worse by some suspect painting. In my defence of the painting, I've not had much success with acrylics before this project. But at the price of these things, I can aford to be experimental.
Thanks again.

Kirky