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Title: Claymill Colliery
Post by: GoodsYard on March 13, 2017, 09:06:13 pm
Alright well here goes, this is my first real venture into a real fixed layout in N Gauge having owned a few Grafar loco's over the years I decided to build this grand layout of my dreams... and then came me moving out of my lovely spacious room and into the cramped square box that they call University Student Halls. Having been here a good few months I decided to perhaps try to build something, not as grand or massive as my previous idea but something I could neatly tuck away after I had finished and could then use my desk for other things such as work. So after seeing the wonderful ideas that were in the box file section of this forum I set my sights on grabbing two old box files and joining them together to create a basis for my layout, then of course came the planning for it, what would it be?
Well to put my idea, in short, its a Colliery shunting/loading yard of sorts with 2 loading sidings, a main through line and a siding, which I feel would be suited to display some of my engines that are unfortunately non-runners.
 
So with the idea formed and the box files in my possession it was time to start.
beginning

(I apologise for the sketchiness of the layout so far)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5992-130317204931.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49525)
The bottom siding is awaiting a curved piece of track to put it parallel with the others.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5992-130317205353.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49526)
This is the layout with the majority of the buildings I aim to use added to it.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5992-130317205607.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49527)
The loco's of the layout; Minitrix 2f awaiting a repaint into the right shade of blue (non-runner but has been stripped out), Grafar Holden Tank (motor works but the drive mechanism is playing up so it's a non-runner for now), An unknown kit built Dock Tank (average runner), Another Grafar Holden in BR black (non-runner) And finally my  Grafar Austerity in NCB Blue (superb runner)

Although I'm thinking of repainting these engines into the NCB Blue of the same type of the Austerity, I have been thinking of painting them into the maroon livery that some NCB areas had.

But anyway that's it for me, I'd love to hear your suggestions and feedback and I'll check back in with frequent updates of the layout build.
Title: Re: My Box File Layout (as yet untitled Colliery)
Post by: Newportnobby on March 13, 2017, 09:23:22 pm
Hi GoodsYard, and welcome to the forum :wave:

That looks a neat job. Will you be having additional box files attachable at each end so you can have 'through running'?
I think the loco shed at the left looks somewhat out of place with no lines into/out of it so maybe you can find or scratchbuild an extension to your colliery in its place :hmmm:
Title: Re: My Box File Layout (as yet untitled Colliery)
Post by: GoodsYard on March 13, 2017, 09:33:19 pm
Hi GoodsYard, and welcome to the forum :wave:

That looks a neat job. Will you be having additional box files attachable at each end so you can have 'through running'?
I think the loco shed at the left looks somewhat out of place with no lines into/out of it so maybe you can find or scratchbuild an extension to your colliery in its place :hmmm:
Thank you for the warm welcome and indeed I aim to have a fiddle yard on each end to allow the use of through-running trains and yes the Loco shed is a placeholder for a scratch built boiler room and chimney which I am currently in the process of making and as for that dreadful looking Lyddle End headstock that's a placeholder for a Modelux Hedstock that I've been waiting for two months to arrive in the post.... But thank you for your feedback I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Box File Layout (as yet untitled Colliery)
Post by: port perran on March 14, 2017, 07:47:17 am
Welcome aboard.
Looking good.
Maybe I've misunderstood-will you be running tracks into that loco shed?
Title: Re: Box File Layout (as yet untitled Colliery)
Post by: Bealman on March 14, 2017, 08:05:59 am
G'day from Australia, buddy, and your plans look great.

Welcome to the NGF!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Box File Layout (as yet untitled Colliery)
Post by: GoodsYard on March 14, 2017, 12:39:25 pm
Welcome aboard.
Looking good.
Maybe I've misunderstood-will you be running tracks into that loco shed?

Not in my plans in afraid, it's just their at the moment to look like a warehouse, I was thinking of adding a loco shed for the non runners but I'm not so sure

G'day from Australia, buddy, and your plans look great.

Welcome to the NGF!  :thumbsup:

And thank you for the warm welcome and the kind words :)
Title: Re: Box File Layout (as yet untitled Colliery)
Post by: PolarStar on April 14, 2017, 08:25:11 pm
Looking good go for it 
Title: Re: Box File Layout (as yet untitled Colliery)
Post by: Jeremy Edwards on April 15, 2017, 09:01:22 am
Looking forward to seeing further development.
Title: Re: Box File Layout (as yet untitled Colliery)
Post by: GoodsYard on June 03, 2017, 04:37:40 pm
Sorry for the lengthy delay in updating this thread having just wrapped up university for this year, I've found myself with a lot of free time which means work can continue on my box file layout. Having redone the trackwork to suit a more modular approach with the shifting of the track and the "coal sheets/loader" into something which will enable me to add more box files on either end in the future making it almost a layout that can keep getting added to.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5992-020617002725.jpeg)
The middle Truck here has some of Fox Transfer's NCB Lettering which will be seen on all of my waggons in future updates
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5992-020617002156.jpeg)
The rail plan has changed and the buildings will also be swapped out for the scratch built low relief buildings that I am currently building, if anybody has any tips/ideas on scratch building low relief buildings please let me know.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5992-020617002318.jpeg)
My Beetle and Scammell are the current vehicles on the layout but there will, of course, be some more scattered about in future updates.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5992-020617002348.jpeg)
My unknown kit built Dock Tank sits just before the points looking smart in its new colour and with the lettering applied now just to apply the numbers.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5992-020617002748.jpeg)
My two dummy locomotives The Minitrix 2f and the Grafar Holden Boh in need of new chassis which I will get round to buying but for now they have both been painted up in the Matt Dark Blue colour which the rest of my locos have with the Holden yet to have its transfers applied to it. Once again the buildings are placeholders for when I'm finally able to finish my low relief prototypes but I just thought I'd place them there to give a brief idea of what is to come from the Colliery Layout. But thank you for all your kind feedback and I promise I'll do another update soon.
Title: Re: Claymill Colliery
Post by: Newportnobby on June 03, 2017, 08:41:47 pm

if anybody has any tips/ideas on scratch building low relief buildings please let me know.


Not that I've built any but what do you need to know? If you intend to put lighting in them make sure you plan ahead and put floors in them plus black out to prevent light seepage from corners etc.
Make sure there's room between buildings and trackwork for those extra details that take the eye away from the fact the buildings are low relief whilst maintaining as much building depth as you can.
If you have a warehouse then a track running into it is no bad idea as has been suggested.
Just some thoughts.
Title: Re: Claymill Colliery
Post by: Jeremy Edwards on June 03, 2017, 10:10:47 pm
A much more interesting track layout for shunting purposes.  Looking good.  I'm looking forward to seeing this progress.

in terms of low relief, in N I've only really chopped kits in half or made 'flat relief' buildings to represent flat roofs or buildings which have roofs sloping down from the viewed side.
Title: Re: Claymill Colliery
Post by: GoodsYard on June 17, 2017, 02:00:55 am
Thanks for the advice it has really helped me to build some new additions to the layout, some more close to finished than others but anyway I couldn't resist posting a quick update on how the buildings are coming along.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5992-170617015545.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52751)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5992-170617015613.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52752)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5992-170617015640.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52753)

Now time to crack on finishing these buildings off. Thanks for reading and I'm sure another update will follow soon!
Title: Re: Claymill Colliery
Post by: port perran on June 17, 2017, 07:34:49 am
That's looking really good.
Keep the pictures coming
Title: Re: Claymill Colliery
Post by: Newportnobby on June 17, 2017, 09:52:07 am
That's looking really good.
Keep the pictures coming

Agreed, and I'm looking forward to seeing the layout get really filthy :D
Title: Re: Claymill Colliery
Post by: Bealman on June 17, 2017, 09:57:09 am
Looking great!  :thumbsup:

I too have one of those blue NCB Poole saddle tanks, which also runs well.... even though there's bright sparking inside!!
Title: Re: Claymill Colliery
Post by: GoodsYard on July 14, 2017, 06:38:18 pm
hey guys sorry for taking so long with this update, I've just moved into my own house for university which means that for the first time in a while I actually have a lot of space and I want to do something with it so I'm thinking that as I didn't really get to the stage of sticking down in the box files that I may try to convert the layout to fit on on a Wilko's wallpaper pasting table.This will enable me to have a lot more creative freedom due to the space that is available. I have made two plans so far both are about the same but are slightly different. these are both meant for one side of the board as I aim to build the layout on one-half of the board and then if I then want to I can fold the table out and create the second half to the layout but I'm not sure with which plan would be best either way.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5992-140717181543.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=53337)
This first plan is pretty basic but I feel it will work well in the chosen environment and will look perfect for a colliery setting the level crossing at the end of the 3 primary lines is there to show a single track cassette that I would add to the layout to enable me to move the loco and some wagons between the 3 lines that make up the colliery screen sidings although I think this idea suits the theme of a small shunting layout I don't know if it would be effective enough of a mechanism and I'm not very informed or knowledgeable about how to make a cassette and to wire it up which means it may be harder to make than the second option which is shown below.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5992-140717181712.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=53338)

Instead of the cassette, this layout features more points that lead the 3 tracks into a single track tunnel portal which then leads to a fiddle yard. This is the easier option for me but I thought I'd put both plans up to let you know what is going on with clay mill colliery and I believe I will have to move this thread to a different category as the layout has now outgrown the box files. Thank you for reading and I can't wait to hear your thoughts on the matter.
Title: Re: Claymill Colliery
Post by: Newportnobby on July 14, 2017, 08:36:14 pm
Firstly I'd say my experience of pasting tables is they sag horribly, but maybe things have improved since I last used one (about 20 years ago!).
If you go with the second design I'd recommend you get rid of the 'S' curves created by your points as they don't help good running and also shorten sidings. You can get the same effect thus..............

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/264-140717203013-533351910.jpeg)

For sheer speed I've used Peco set track but don't recommend the set track points as small shunters are likely to stall on them (they also don't look good IMHO). I'd aim for code 55 small electrofrog points or go for Kato trackage.

Hope this helps
Title: Re: Claymill Colliery
Post by: GoodsYard on July 15, 2017, 01:04:22 pm
Firstly I'd say my experience of pasting tables is they sag horribly, but maybe things have improved since I last used one (about 20 years ago!).
If you go with the second design I'd recommend you get rid of the 'S' curves created by your points as they don't help good running and also shorten sidings. You can get the same effect thus..............

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/264-140717203013-533351910.jpeg[/url])

For sheer speed I've used Peco set track but don't recommend the set track points as small shunters are likely to stall on them (they also don't look good IMHO). I'd aim for code 55 small electrofrog points or go for Kato trackage.

Hope this helps


Thanks for that, the wallpaper pasting table itself was bought as a basis as I've had one before and it sagged some I took the wood out and replaced both sides with much thicker wood and supports to stop it from sagging on either side in the middle of the board. Your track plan though is one that will be much more suited for the layout. I hope you don't mind if I use it as my basis going forward. Just got to paint up some new additions to the colliery and start with my scratch building of the pithead itself.
Title: Re: Claymill Colliery
Post by: Newportnobby on July 15, 2017, 02:54:51 pm
I hope you don't mind if I use it as my basis going forward. Just got to paint up some new additions to the colliery and start with my scratch building of the pithead itself.

Feel free. I just ironed some potential issues out of your design anyway.
I'm sure by now there's nothing original being done track planning wise.
Smart move with beefing up the pasting table :thumbsup: