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Title: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: flotmangooner on February 11, 2017, 05:35:05 pm
Hi
Just starting out on my first setup and am thinking about what layout etc I want. I really like the American engines and stock and was wondering if they would run ok if I use standard UK PECO track ? Might be a silly question but I am slightly confused by the different scales .
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: Newportnobby on February 11, 2017, 05:41:24 pm
Hi flotmangooner, and welcome to the forum :wave:
I don't run US stuff myself but have run the odd train to test it and had no issues at all with Peco track.
However, I believe the sleeper spacing on Peco is not quite right for American outline :hmmm:
I'm sure you'll get plenty of replies though.
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: terrysoham on February 11, 2017, 06:11:55 pm
I understand that Peco export a lot of their production the the USA.
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: Webbo on February 11, 2017, 11:06:11 pm
Hello flotmangooner

I have lots of North American gear old and new and it all runs perfectly on Peco code 55 as it would on code 80 I'm certain. As NPN says, the sleeper spacing on Peco track and points is not quite the same as the US prototype, but it doesn't worry me as it's hardly noticeable and Peco track has a reputation for reliability. Atlas makes codes 55 and 80 that is closer to the US prototype and has a similar range of turnouts & crossings to Peco so might be worth consideration also.

Webbo
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: Newportnobby on February 11, 2017, 11:17:34 pm
An itty bitty little piece of proof.......

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6muwvhc1ldhv1du/B%20%26%20O%20set.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/6muwvhc1ldhv1du/B%20%26%20O%20set.MOV?dl=0)
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: railsquid on February 11, 2017, 11:53:16 pm
An itty bitty little piece of proof.......

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6muwvhc1ldhv1du/B%20%26%20O%20set.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/6muwvhc1ldhv1du/B%20%26%20O%20set.MOV?dl=0)
Clerestory coaches in blue/grey livery? Anyway since when did Bang and Olufsen make trains?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: Bealman on February 12, 2017, 12:01:14 am
G'day from Australia, flotmangooner, and welcome to the NGF!  :thumbsup:

Back in the late 1970s the American magazine Model Railroader featured a famous N gauge project layout, The Clinchfield, which used Peco code 80 track exclusively.

So the answer is yes, no worries with American stock.
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: NinOz on February 12, 2017, 01:35:25 am
My USA models run well on PECO 80 and 55.  Never tried PECO set track but never heard any negatives about it for USA stock.

PECO flex (80 and 55) was the default track for use on N-Trak modules.

CFJ

Ahhh, The Clinchfield.  Magnificent!  Still have the magazines and the booklet concerning it.
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: railsquid on February 12, 2017, 01:51:51 am
I think as a general rule, any "recent" (i.e. made in the last 20~30 years) N gauge trains will run on any mass-produced non-finescale track systems just fine. Older stuff (pizza cutter wheels era) can be a little wobblier over points etc. but overall N gauge is N gauge, I run a whole variety of British, German, Japanese and a bit of American stuff on Tomix/Kato track with no real problems, and I imagine the same would go for Peco.
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: mr magnolia on February 12, 2017, 07:11:55 am
Hi
Like others here. I've a layout that is made with Peco track of every variety - code 80 set track and streamline (if that's what it's called?)  and code 55. They mix in with some sections of Micro Engineering code 55 as well, and it's all good.
In fact all 9mm track is generally a better scale fit to USA and European stock at 1:160 than to British 1:148, as the 9mm gauge scales exactly to the real world 4ft 8etc gauge.

As Webbo says, the sleeper spacings aren't quite correct for America on Peco track, but I don't think they are correct for British track either!

Donald
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: Bealman on February 12, 2017, 07:22:13 am
Peco produce track with the correct spacing in HO specifically for the American market, I believe, but at the moment they don't do N.
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: 70000 on February 12, 2017, 07:58:08 am
I think as a general rule, any "recent" (i.e. made in the last 20~30 years) N gauge trains will run on any mass-produced non-finescale track systems just fine. Older stuff (pizza cutter wheels era) can be a little wobblier over points etc. but overall N gauge is N gauge, I run a whole variety of British, German, Japanese and a bit of American stuff on Tomix/Kato track with no real problems, and I imagine the same would go for Peco.

I've certainly got a 40 year old Bachmann diesel, plus an Arnold GP7 (?) and a GG1 that may date from the early 70's, and these have no problems with Peco code 80 track.
The incorrect sleeper spacings on Peco track aren't worth worrying about!
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: Bealman on February 12, 2017, 08:08:57 am
I agree. The late Gordon (I forgot his last name  :-[) who designed and built the classic Clinchfield Railroad obviously didn't think so either.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: N-Gauge-US on February 12, 2017, 08:11:12 am
A lot of US modellers prefer Peco to Atlas and use it for US N scale no problem :) In fact, its code 55 is better with pizza cutter wheels than Atlas' code 55. Code 80 of whichever can support almost any wheel, from what I gather. I was in a model shop last week and the older gentleman working there proudly told me he uses peco code 55 for all his trackwork, but was thoroughly unimpressed when I replied excitedly that my reason for doing so was that I model U.K. Outline (which is basically nonexistent over here). Needless to say, he Models US and has no problem :) Any ideas on which region/companies you might like? I just moved to St Louis and discovered that you can see BNSF, UP, NS, and CSX locos here!!! I'm pretty sure it is the only place in the country with that advantage ;) Happy modeling and feel free to message me with any questions or to pick my brain about US modeling (I certainly needed to pick lots of brains here about where to find UK info!).

Philip
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: Webbo on February 12, 2017, 08:26:42 am
You should also see CN locos there as well. The only class 1 railway that doesn't run to St. Louis is CP.

Webbo
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: Bealman on February 12, 2017, 08:31:07 am
A lot of US modellers prefer Peco to Atlas and use it for US N scale no problem :) In fact, its code 55 is better with pizza cutter wheels than Atlas' code 55. Code 80 of whichever can support almost any wheel, from what I gather. I was in a model shop last week and the older gentleman working there proudly told me he uses peco code 55 for all his trackwork, but was thoroughly unimpressed when I replied excitedly that my reason for doing so was that I model U.K. Outline (which is basically nonexistent over here). Needless to say, he Models US and has no problem :) Any ideas on which region/companies you might like? I just moved to St Louis and discovered that you can see BNSF, UP, NS, and CSX locos here!!! I'm pretty sure it is the only place in the country with that advantage ;) Happy modeling and feel free to message me with any questions or to pick my brain about US modeling (I certainly needed to pick lots of brains here about where to find UK info!).

Philip

Forum member Chetcombe may have something to say about that  ;D ;)
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: N-Gauge-US on February 12, 2017, 08:58:57 am
You should also see CN locos there as well. The only class 1 railway that doesn't run to St. Louis is CP.

Webbo

Quite right! I have! They slipped my mind :) And yes, no CP, but I'll take 5/6! :D And yes, Chetcombe and a few others of us do it, but you'll never walk into a US model shop and find a used Farish GP tank or a Kestrel or metcalfe kit! The closest you come is the odd Oxford diecast item or (twice now) a PD Marsh set of oil drums. Not to mention I've yet to see a U.K. Outline layout at a show (which I intend to personally rectify one of these days!). :)
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: outofgauge on June 11, 2017, 09:39:00 am
Oh dear Mr trump will probably have you tarred feathered and run out of town for that one ! :P
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: Rich_S on September 22, 2017, 01:49:14 pm
An itty bitty little piece of proof.......

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6muwvhc1ldhv1du/B%20%26%20O%20set.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/6muwvhc1ldhv1du/B%20%26%20O%20set.MOV?dl=0)
Clerestory coaches in blue/grey livery? Anyway since when did Bang and Olufsen make trains?  :hmmm:

Hi railsquid, I'm not sure if you're joking, if so then disregard. The B&O was the Baltimore and Ohio railroad in the USA. The B&O, C&O and WM were merged to create the Chessie System. The Chessie System merged with the Seaboard System to create todays CSX railroad. 
 
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: railsquid on September 22, 2017, 01:59:37 pm
An itty bitty little piece of proof.......

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6muwvhc1ldhv1du/B%20%26%20O%20set.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/6muwvhc1ldhv1du/B%20%26%20O%20set.MOV?dl=0)
Clerestory coaches in blue/grey livery? Anyway since when did Bang and Olufsen make trains?  :hmmm:

Hi railsquid, I'm not sure if you're joking, if so then disregard. The B&O was the Baltimore and Ohio railroad in the USA. The B&O, C&O and WM were merged to create the Chessie System. The Chessie System merged with the Seaboard System to create todays CSX railroad.
I believe I was attempting to needle NPN  :angel:
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: Rich_S on September 22, 2017, 02:00:16 pm
Hi
Just starting out on my first setup and am thinking about what layout etc I want. I really like the American engines and stock and was wondering if they would run ok if I use standard UK PECO track ? Might be a silly question but I am slightly confused by the different scales .
Thanks in advance

Hi Flotmangooner, I think what leads to the confusion, N gauge is 1:148 while N scale is 1:160, but both run on 9 mm track. To add to the confusion, in Japan a scale of 1:150 is used with 9 mm track to model 3 ft 6 in narrow gauge trains. As was mentioned earlier, all will run fine on Peco code 80 track.

Another well known author who used Peco track on an American prototype railroad is David Popp's New Haven layout.

Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: ntpntpntp on September 22, 2017, 06:04:42 pm

Hi Flotmangooner, I think what leads to the confusion, N gauge is 1:148 while N scale is 1:160, but both run on 9 mm track.

N gauge = 9mm gauge, with a scale that usually approximates standard gauge (as compared to HOe or OO9 which are also 9mm track gauge but with scales to represent narrow gauge).

1:148 = British N Scale.   1:160 = European or American N scale.  1:150 = Japanese N Scale
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: Rich_S on September 22, 2017, 07:52:33 pm

Hi Flotmangooner, I think what leads to the confusion, N gauge is 1:148 while N scale is 1:160, but both run on 9 mm track.

N gauge = 9mm gauge, with a scale that usually approximates standard gauge (as compared to HOe or OO9 which are also 9mm track gauge but with scales to represent narrow gauge).

1:148 = British N Scale.   1:160 = European or American N scale.  1:150 = Japanese N Scale

Hi ntpntpntp, And that is where we run into confusion, 1:148 scale is over sized for 9 mm track. Using 1:150 scale with 9mm track works out to be 3' 6" gauge track. Using 1:160 scale with 9 mm track works out to be 4' 8.5 inches, aka standard gauge. Now I've read articles were some folks are using 1:148 scale with 9.42 mm track to represent standard gauge.  All of this does lead to some confusion for people getting into the hobby. I understand your point, gauge is the distance between the inside of the rail heads, while scale is the relationship between the model and the prototype, but I've found quite often when reading articles about folks in the UK using a scale of 1:148 and 9mm track, calling it British N gauge, instead of British N scale.

 :NGaugersRule:  8)  :D
 
Title: Re: American stock on PECO track ?
Post by: ntpntpntp on September 22, 2017, 08:43:00 pm
... I've found quite often when reading articles about folks in the UK using a scale of 1:148 and 9mm track, calling it British N gauge, instead of British N scale.

Yes, the two terms do seems to be used interchangeably.     I notice that with my international friends there are differences in Europe too:  germans tend to use Spur N or Spurweite N (track or gauge),  the French seem to prefer Echelle N (scale) as do the Italians with Scala N.

The same happens in other sizes too:  G gauge or G scale for example, which can cause heated discussions when the typical scales used on 45mm gauge can range from 1:32 to 1:16.

Personally I think it's great that with N things like couplings and general physical size were pretty much standardised early on, allowing folk to collect and run a varied mix if they wish.   As you say,   :NGaugersRule: