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Title: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 09, 2017, 07:43:56 pm
Hello all,

Some of you may recognise me as the guy from the Flordon Heritage Railway thread!

As I am away at university for multiple months at a time, I have decided to start a small layout project separate from Flordon which is slowly but surely developing at home (400+ miles away)!

As yet I have the baseboard dimensions (100cmx25cm) and two possible track plans as below:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-090117193638.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47145)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-090117193653.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47146)

The rear line will be a much reduce station that once had a return loop but this has since been removed, leaving the single track behind. The old line will be represented by overgrown sleepers etc.

The front set of sidings will be storage and stabling facilities for the mainline (off scene) with a very overgrown look as I want to experiment with different techniques. The photo below helps illustrate the feel I want to go for:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-090117194303.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47147)

In the second image I have added a head shunt to allow a small industry (either current or former) access to the railway. This may be modelled as derelict for scenic interest, leaving the yard available for loco storage between duties!

Well, that was the intro to the new layout! Despite not finalising the trackplan, I will build the boards very soon as I can only allow myself that amount of space so the track has to work around it!

I'll keep you all posted!

Thanks,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: newportnobby on January 09, 2017, 07:50:30 pm
I think V2 with the headshunt will prove more interesting, Alex.
Are you intending this as a static diorama or will you be running trains into the scenery, presumably from L to R?
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 09, 2017, 07:54:30 pm
Thanks, I am definitely leaning towards that option as its going to be fully operational. The grey block is going to be a bridge with a gravel track running down to a sleeper crossing to the yard area with network rail vans and all!
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: port perran on January 09, 2017, 08:17:43 pm
I'd also opt for V2.
Good luck with the build but please don't let it interfere withyour studies!
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 09, 2017, 08:30:46 pm
Thanks for the comments guys! I will ensure my copious essay writing comes first but it will be nice having something small to work on as a break when needed! I have worked on a baseboard plan and imported the track plan into the design and thus a 3D design is created:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-090117202920.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47152)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-090117202932.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47153)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-090117202945.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47154)

Thanks guys, comments always welcome, either good or constructive!

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Nick on January 09, 2017, 08:49:28 pm
Mine's a vote for V2 as well.

How did you do the 3D design?
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: robert shrives on January 09, 2017, 08:50:25 pm
Hi ,
Have a think about operating - will you be front operating - visually better I guess but would think you will find backscene a pain blocking yard - if it were to lift out it might work better for you.

I really like the plan and the ability to shuffle stock about will aid the mental powers for study... well that was my excuse many years ago!

Robert     
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 09, 2017, 08:52:13 pm
Mine's a vote for V2 as well.

How did you do the 3D design?

Thanks, I think thats settled then:)

I used a mixture of Anyrail for the trackplan then Sketchup for the 3D design, together they create quite a handy tool! However, I still use sketching as a way of envisaging my ideas!

Hi ,
Have a think about operating - will you be front operating - visually better I guess but would think you will find backscene a pain blocking yard - if it were to lift out it might work better for you.

I really like the plan and the ability to shuffle stock about will aid the mental powers for study... well that was my excuse many years ago!

Robert     

Thanks for that, I will have a think about it and have a play around with some ideas:)

Thanks,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 09, 2017, 09:00:50 pm
I have been looking up the wood needed for the baseboard.....it adds up to the student-friendly sum of £10! I will need screws/glue as well but I am still pretty pleased with how affordable it will be!
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: robert shrives on January 09, 2017, 09:07:15 pm
Have you considered dense insulating foam and art cardboard. might get free offcut from building site?
cheers
Robert
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 09, 2017, 09:11:27 pm
I may have a look around, thanks. I have a good shop nearby that does literally everything so they may have something of use!

If not, I will take a walk to the local B and Q and buy wood as I think they cut it for free, at least a certain amount of cuts! Annoyingly, I have no hammer at uni so will have to invest in one haha! Unless anyone else has an easy way to make lead holes for small screws?

Cheers,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Nick on January 09, 2017, 09:19:49 pm

I used a mixture of Anyrail for the trackplan then Sketchup for the 3D design, together they create quite a handy tool! However, I still use sketching as a way of envisaging my ideas!

Thanks - I could see the trackplan had come out of AnyRail, but wondered about the 3D bit. I just had a quick look on the Sketchup site, but was bit confused by the versions. Is there a free one?

Hi ,
Have a think about operating - will you be front operating - visually better I guess but would think you will find backscene a pain blocking yard - if it were to lift out it might work better for you.

I've come to the same conclusion for my layout - I want a backscene, but I think it's going to be a pain to operate with it there sometimes, because my layout is against a wall. I'm just about to set off trying to install something. I've bought some brass channelling and I intend slotting thin modelling ply into it. I'm a little worried about it's structural solidity, but we'll see.

Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Hailstone on January 09, 2017, 09:20:26 pm
I may have a look around, thanks. I have a good shop nearby that does literally everything so they may have something of use!

If not, I will take a walk to the local B and Q and buy wood as I think they cut it for free, at least a certain amount of cuts! Annoyingly, I have no hammer at uni so will have to invest in one haha! Unless anyone else has an easy way to make lead holes for small screws?

Cheers,

Alex

B & Q still do a certain number of cuts free, I availed myself of the service on Saturday

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 09, 2017, 09:24:18 pm

I used a mixture of Anyrail for the trackplan then Sketchup for the 3D design, together they create quite a handy tool! However, I still use sketching as a way of envisaging my ideas!

Thanks - I could see the trackplan had come out of AnyRail, but wondered about the 3D bit. I just had a quick look on the Sketchup site, but was bit confused by the versions. Is there a free one?

Hi ,
Have a think about operating - will you be front operating - visually better I guess but would think you will find backscene a pain blocking yard - if it were to lift out it might work better for you.

I've come to the same conclusion for my layout - I want a backscene, but I think it's going to be a pain to operate with it there sometimes, because my layout is against a wall. I'm just about to set off trying to install something. I've bought some brass channelling and I intend slotting thin modelling ply into it. I'm a little worried about it's structural solidity, but we'll see.



There should indeed be a free version. I think it is run by a company called Trimble now so maybe try searching them?
I may have a look around, thanks. I have a good shop nearby that does literally everything so they may have something of use!

If not, I will take a walk to the local B and Q and buy wood as I think they cut it for free, at least a certain amount of cuts! Annoyingly, I have no hammer at uni so will have to invest in one haha! Unless anyone else has an easy way to make lead holes for small screws?

Cheers,

Alex

B & Q still do a certain number of cuts free, I availed myself of the service on Saturday

Regards,

Alex

Thanks for confirming that! Nice to see a fellow Alex haha!

Cheers,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Mito on January 09, 2017, 09:33:17 pm
I like version 2 as well. Could you fit a run round in to give a bit more flexibility?
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 09, 2017, 10:09:46 pm
I have set myself a very strict budget and points are expensive so I may possibly be able to stretch to a third point but it's looking unlikely at the moment! I want to see how little I can make a working layout for!!

Thanks,
Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 09, 2017, 10:12:35 pm
I'm looking forward to seeing this new layout develop. (At your usual brisk pace, I expect.)
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 09, 2017, 10:17:09 pm
Alex

Excuse me going slightly off topic, although I think your designs are very good.

As a former engineering student can I remind you that your priorities should be beer, women, more beer, more women, food, sleep, the odd lecture and cramming for exams in the last week, or have students lost the plot in the last thirty years.  :D

 :beers:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: lil chris on January 09, 2017, 10:30:02 pm
Nice plan Alex, I see were you are coming from with the yard surface and why you will want something similar. It will be nice seeing this layout progress.
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 10, 2017, 12:13:30 pm
Hello all,

Thanks for the comments, this thread seems to have taken off very quickly! I have been measuring the space I have available and it turns out 90cm is the max it can be really so I have had to cut a little of the length but I don't think it will have any major disadvantages....it is meant to be a micro-layout anyway! 

I'm looking forward to seeing this new layout develop. (At your usual brisk pace, I expect.)

Thanks, well I am off to get the wood this evening so should get a baseboard built by tomorrow!

Alex

Excuse me going slightly off topic, although I think your designs are very good.

As a former engineering student can I remind you that your priorities should be beer, women, more beer, more women, food, sleep, the odd lecture and cramming for exams in the last week, or have students lost the plot in the last thirty years.  :D

 :beers:

Haha thats alright, lets just say everything in moderation! :beers:

Nice plan Alex, I see were you are coming from with the yard surface and why you will want something similar. It will be nice seeing this layout progress.

Thanks, yeah I will either need it for the double siding or the single siding (or both) so I will give it a try!

I will keep you all updated with photos as I go:)

Thanks,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 10, 2017, 12:21:55 pm
Thanks, Alex. Looking forward to the updates.
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 10, 2017, 12:25:27 pm
Here is the latest plan:

I am not sure whether to raise the rear lines up to allow the sidings to be framed with a bit of an embankment or if to leave it all at the same level, any ideas?


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-100117122508.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47159)

Thanks,
Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 10, 2017, 12:29:47 pm
Have you thought about a rotating fiddle yard?


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/3761-100117122755.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47160)
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 10, 2017, 12:33:31 pm
Thanks for the idea and maybe on a future layout but this one needs to be as cheap and small as possible plus my woodworking skill is not great! I would love to give that a go in the future though!
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 10, 2017, 12:40:07 pm
I'd definitely raise the rear lines up to allow the sidings to be framed with a bit of an embankment which will make it more scenically attractive.
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 10, 2017, 12:41:46 pm
I'd definitely raise the rear lines up to allow the sidings to be framed with a bit of an embankment which will make it more scenically attractive.

Thanks for that, I will go for it then, though I will have to redesign how the bridge (scenic break) will work but thats all part of the fun, eh?

Thanks,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 10, 2017, 01:01:27 pm
Hi Alex, nice looking layout. In the absence of a hammer have you thought about getting a gimlet - the proper device for making pilot screw holes! B n Q have one for £2.85.

As an ex engineering student I can only agree with snowwolflair, although not sure that food and sleep are in the right order. Beer has a lot of calories  :D
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 10, 2017, 08:36:31 pm
Hello all,

Hi Alex, nice looking layout. In the absence of a hammer have you thought about getting a gimlet - the proper device for making pilot screw holes! B n Q have one for £2.85.

As an ex engineering student I can only agree with snowwolflair, although not sure that food and sleep are in the right order. Beer has a lot of calories  :D

I can only say thank you! I bought the exact gimlet and it worked a treat!

I have now completed the baseboard and I am pleased with how it has come out despite the spontaneity of the whole project!
This is the board under construction on the kitchen table haha!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-100117201914.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47183)

I have attached all the backscenes but the two sections that obscure the fiddle yard are a separate section for now as I need to cut the entrance to the fiddle yard into the small end!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-100117201745.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47180)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-100117201842.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47181)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-100117201857.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47182)

I have also designed it to fit neatly on my cupboard so its out the way when not in use:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-100117201704.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47179)

I still have not decided exactly how I will model the layout, I am leaning towards a more overgrown urban scene with plenty of weed-ridden rails and decaying sleepers with a worn retaining wall in the background! Anyway I will keep you updated as the ideas progress! 

Thanks,

Alex

Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: newportnobby on January 10, 2017, 08:52:08 pm
Jeepers! That's a humongous sized iron in the last pic :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 10, 2017, 08:54:55 pm
 
Jeepers! That's a humongous sized iron in the last pic :goggleeyes:
Hahah it is indeed;) It actually a my favourite surfboard that can only be stored there as there's no space anywhere else!
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 10, 2017, 08:55:12 pm
Jeepers! That's a humongous sized iron in the last pic :goggleeyes:

But at least he drinks Bombay G&T
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 10, 2017, 08:58:05 pm
But at least he drinks Bombay G&T

Haha thats actually one of my housemates', honestly!
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 10, 2017, 09:30:40 pm
I'd definitely raise the rear lines up to allow the sidings to be framed with a bit of an embankment which will make it more scenically attractive.

Thanks for that, I will go for it then, though I will have to redesign how the bridge (scenic break) will work but that's all part of the fun, eh?

Thanks,

Alex

It will be worth the extra work, Alex, as it will add to the 'depth' of the scene. I have a small embankment (some scrap balsa wood covered with sandless tile grout, paint, scatter, etc.) to take the Castle branch out of the goods yard at Cant Cove up over the road and then through a cutting.
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 10, 2017, 09:35:19 pm
I would definitely go for the more overgrown urban scene with plenty of weed-ridden rails and decaying sleepers and a worn retaining wall in the background. It will be excellent practice. There is an excellent small layout of a South Wales colliery loading sidings area on the forum well worth studying (sorry, I forget the name).
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: NOE 544R on January 10, 2017, 11:53:42 pm
I would definitely go for the more overgrown urban scene with plenty of weed-ridden rails and decaying sleepers and a worn retaining wall in the background. It will be excellent practice. There is an excellent small layout of a South Wales colliery loading sidings area on the forum well worth studying (sorry, I forget the name).

I'd second this! Given the depth of the boards this would create a nice atmosphere. Cracking to discover another uni student on here too!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: newportnobby on January 11, 2017, 09:29:32 am
There is an excellent small layout of a South Wales colliery loading sidings area on the forum well worth studying (sorry, I forget the name).


I'm sure you mean this one, Chris......................
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=10430.msg377203#msg377203 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=10430.msg377203#msg377203)
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 11, 2017, 10:34:44 am
Hello all,

I would definitely go for the more overgrown urban scene with plenty of weed-ridden rails and decaying sleepers and a worn retaining wall in the background. It will be excellent practice. There is an excellent small layout of a South Wales colliery loading sidings area on the forum well worth studying (sorry, I forget the name).


Thanks, I will do some research today for some reference photos so I can finalise the design and get the raised section built:)

I'd second this! Given the depth of the boards this would create a nice atmosphere. Cracking to discover another uni student on here too!  :thumbsup:


Thanks for that, I will definitely go down this route then! Haha yeah, there's not many of us on here!

There is an excellent small layout of a South Wales colliery loading sidings area on the forum well worth studying (sorry, I forget the name).


I'm sure you mean this one, Chris......................
[url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=10430.msg377203#msg377203[/url] ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=10430.msg377203#msg377203[/url])

Thanks Chris and Newport, I have looked at that thread many times for inspiration! Its a great idea for a small layout!

Cheers,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: port perran on January 11, 2017, 10:41:35 am
Looking to be a great little project.
Looking forward to pictures in due course.
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Steve Purves on January 11, 2017, 11:07:52 am
Looking good. sounds similar to what I did with APA park...
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 11, 2017, 11:11:46 am
Looking good. sounds similar to what I did with APA park... :NGaugersRule:
Thanks Steve, I have just looked up Apa Park and it really is similar! I hope you don't mind me following in a similar direction!

Cheers,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: DCCDave on January 11, 2017, 11:43:12 am
Alex

Excuse me going slightly off topic, although I think your designs are very good.

As a former engineering student can I remind you that your priorities should be beer, women, more beer, more women, food, sleep, the odd lecture and cramming for exams in the last week, or have students lost the plot in the last thirty years.  :D

 :beers:

Yep you have to pay for it yourself now. When I followed your recipe at Uni I had a grant. Happy days :)

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 11, 2017, 11:45:59 am
Alex

Excuse me going slightly off topic, although I think your designs are very good.

As a former engineering student can I remind you that your priorities should be beer, women, more beer, more women, food, sleep, the odd lecture and cramming for exams in the last week, or have students lost the plot in the last thirty years.  :D

 :beers:


Yep you have to pay for it yourself now. When I followed your recipe at Uni I had a grant. Happy days :)

Cheers
Dave

But at least he can now ask a girl back to do a bit of shunting. :D :bounce: :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Steve Purves on January 11, 2017, 01:18:49 pm
Looking good. sounds similar to what I did with APA park... :NGaugersRule:
Thanks Steve, I have just looked up Apa Park and it really is similar! I hope you don't mind me following in a similar direction!

Cheers,

Alex

Please do, its always nice to see similar layouts!
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 11, 2017, 05:25:42 pm
Hello all,

I have been working on a 3D artistic impression today and I hope it illustrates how I envisage it! Excuse the garish colours and unrealistic scenery (the program is not great in this sense) but I think it gives a good idea of space!
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-110117172410.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47187)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-110117172441.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47188)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-110117172501.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47189)
Thanks,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Mito on January 11, 2017, 05:45:51 pm
That looks great. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 11, 2017, 05:52:20 pm
Very nice, Alex and many thanks, Nobby. That is indeed the excellent little layout I meant.
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 11, 2017, 09:07:46 pm
Hello all,

Thanks for the comments:)

I have finished most of the woodwork today so the upper level is all made and it fits nicely. It gives the layout its very first sense of atmosphere! I will take some more photos of the modular way in which the upper level is constructed tomorrow but for now here's some photos of it altogether! Excuse the mess on the table!

I have also posed my out-of-action DRS Class 20 on the upper level for scale and I thought it deserved some time out of the box despite not working haha!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-110117210432.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47193)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-110117210536.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47194)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-110117210655.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47195)

Thanks,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 12, 2017, 09:05:38 pm
Hello all,

I have begun on the very first bits of structural scenery today: platforms and retaining walls!

I have done two of about sixteen retaining wall sections. I used my usual Fimo method and each brick is individually hand scored! I think they have come out well for a first try. There will be a pillar covering the join but these two have just been posed for the photo:)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-120117210314.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47229)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-120117210335.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47230)

I have also started one of the platforms, not sure whether I'll keep it or not but its useful for knowing how the scene will look. I have decided that the upper level will be an old station that is being reduced to a single track/platform, a cameo being engineers removing old track and the front platform!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-120117210413.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47231)

Thanks,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Mito on January 12, 2017, 09:20:23 pm
Out of interest, are you studying Model Railway engineering? :D
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 12, 2017, 09:21:48 pm
Excellent scenic work there, Alex.
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: newportnobby on January 12, 2017, 09:59:20 pm
Let he who cast the first stone make a damned good job of it :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Bealman on January 12, 2017, 10:10:03 pm
I love the stonework and the platform surfaces look great.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Dock Shunter on January 12, 2017, 10:24:35 pm
Very nice start.....I like the ideas you have for this one..... :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: lil chris on January 13, 2017, 10:19:43 am
Looking good,the stonework and the platform looks good.
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 13, 2017, 09:02:20 pm
Hello all,

I have continued with wall construction today! I think it looks quite good so far, plenty to do but getting there....slowly!

I have not stuck anything down yet but posed it for some photos and I think it gives a good idea of what it will look like! I even painted some graffiti which I think adds a bit of colour!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-130117205838.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47301)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-130117205907.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47302)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-130117205919.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47303)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-130117205934.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47304)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-130117205957.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47305)

Here is a short method of the wall construction:

Firstly, the Fimo is prepared and mounted with superglue onto the card:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-130117205552.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47298)

Secondly, the lines are scored with a ruler and blade:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-130117205651.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47299)

Then the arch is mounted and weathering powder brushed on. Finally, I paint it with a mix of yellows and blacks to achieve the effect:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-130117205726.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47300)


Thanks and I look forward to hearing what you think!

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Mito on January 13, 2017, 10:03:49 pm
Looking excellent.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: port perran on January 14, 2017, 07:26:50 am
Thats a very good job indeed.
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 14, 2017, 12:05:48 pm
 :hellosign: Many thanks for the informative updates &  :greatpicturessign: looking good
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Steamie+ on January 15, 2017, 08:05:16 am
I'd definitely raise the rear lines up to allow the sidings to be framed with a bit of an embankment which will make it more scenically attractive.

Agree with Chris, it would have a more scenic look and a bit more enjoyable for you has well.    :beers:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Steamie+ on January 15, 2017, 08:18:42 am
Hello all,

I have continued with wall construction today! I think it looks quite good so far, plenty to do but getting there....slowly!

I have not stuck anything down yet but posed it for some photos and I think it gives a good idea of what it will look like! I even painted some graffiti which I think adds a bit of colour!
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-130117205838.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47301[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-130117205907.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47302[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-130117205919.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47303[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-130117205934.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47304[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-130117205957.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47305[/url])

Here is a short method of the wall construction:

Firstly, the Fimo is prepared and mounted with superglue onto the card:
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-130117205552.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47298[/url])

Secondly, the lines are scored with a ruler and blade:
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-130117205651.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47299[/url])

Then the arch is mounted and weathering powder brushed on. Finally, I paint it with a mix of yellows and blacks to achieve the effect:
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-130117205726.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47300[/url])


Thanks and I look forward to hearing what you think!

Alex


That is really nice modelling Alex, really love the way you do things, the retaining walls are excellent, waiting for this to be finished, but please donít neglect your studies. Hope anything is going well for you at Uni.      :beers:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 15, 2017, 02:39:55 pm
Excellent work Alex.

Like the graffiti, but I hope that the artist responsible doesn't find their way to my layout.  ;)

My guess is that you are studying some form of design / art at Uni??
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 15, 2017, 03:54:24 pm
Thanks for the comments, I love hearing what you all think!
Excellent work Alex.

Like the graffiti, but I hope that the artist responsible doesn't find their way to my layout.  ;)

My guess is that you are studying some form of design / art at Uni??

Thanks Keith! I am actually studying for BA in Politics and International Relations! Modelling is purely for relaxtion:)

I have done a little more on the layout today and started the bridge so will upload some photos later on today:)

Thanks,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 15, 2017, 09:09:09 pm
Hello all,

I have extended the platform to its final length (the side that won't be being demolished!) and clad one of the bridge sides and made its support pillar! I think it's slowly starting to come together! I may get some track for the top level and some ballast so I can really crack on with it! As the budget is very, very tight I cannot justify the points for the lower section yet, thus the lower level track will have to wait! Anyway, on with photos:

This is the bridge so far, its not perfect but once all the scenery around it is in I think it will look markedly better:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-150117210342.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47409)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-150117210313.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47408)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-150117210410.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47411)

It may be hard to notice a change here but I have (a) finished the full length of retaining walls and glued them in and (b) covered the joins with brick pillars which makes them look far more like a continuous piece!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-150117210358.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47410)

Finally the platform has been extended to its full length and is waiting the rest of the wall behind! I will try and attempt the other platform soon as I need to attempt methods of modelling platform being dug up!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-150117210422.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47412)

Many thanks, I look forward to your ideas and comments!

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: robert shrives on January 15, 2017, 09:43:05 pm
Hi,
Closed platforms often had the edge flagstones tipped over and or removed leaving a recess and a broken wall top- and in a few weeks a good growth of weeds and small trees - now with NRs careful horticultural skills big trees abound- silver birch, Budlia and japanese knotweed around new works.

So you could build an other platform sans edge - perhaps a small  digger and a gang of the orange army watching the work , at best a couple of wagons being loaded alongside - no need to have loco as digger able to move them.

Robert     
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 15, 2017, 09:51:01 pm
Thanks for that, I hadn't thought of that about the edging stones, I will give it a go! I was planning on having the track lifted to a certain point as well, enough to allow a couple of wagons. Any ideas on where to get such a small digger?

I also need to figure out how people would get to the station, it needs a plausible entrance! Also, would this sort of terminus have a platform at the end, joining the two side platforms, if that makes sense?

Thanks,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: newportnobby on January 16, 2017, 09:20:36 am
Hi,
Closed platforms often had the edge flagstones tipped over and or removed leaving a recess and a broken wall top- and in a few weeks a good growth of weeds and small trees - now with NRs careful horticultural skills big trees abound- silver birch, Budlia and japanese knotweed around new works.

So you could build an other platform sans edge - perhaps a small  digger and a gang of the orange army watching the work , at best a couple of wagons being loaded alongside - no need to have loco as digger able to move them.

Robert     

A couple of nice digs in your post, Robert ;D
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: robert shrives on January 16, 2017, 02:56:52 pm
No really ! ::) ;D You should see the Snow hill- Leamington flower and plant show
!!!!!
Digger by Wiking or Prieser - good for folk aswell.

If your station was a terminal then quite plausible to have end joined, if a through then , bridge, subway and a surface planked crossing for barrows. In Urban areas a nearby bridge with steps or ramp possibly  high level building with steps down - you could have this on the otherside of bridge with steps etc "offscene and a low relief or flat station frontage. - One cheat might be mirror under the bridge makes platform look longer!     
Robert   
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Jerry Howlett on January 16, 2017, 03:13:37 pm
As it is a very short platform, I do not think making it a terminus with the platform across the end will look right. Seeing that you possess or are possessed with great scenic skills you should try and give the impression that the station was bigger and has been truncated. Place a buffer stop and then have lifted track for a very short distance on the other side.

Perhaps install a canopy end on the right hand side to suggest an overall roof... Scalescenes ?

I would suggest that passenger sorry customer access would be from the old entrance further along the platform.

Jerry
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 16, 2017, 03:27:52 pm
As it is a very short platform, I do not think making it a terminus with the platform across the end will look right. Seeing that you possess or are possessed with great scenic skills you should try and give the impression that the station was bigger and has been truncated. Place a buffer stop and then have lifted track for a very short distance on the other side.

Perhaps install a canopy end on the right hand side to suggest an overall roof... Scalescenes ?

I would suggest that passenger sorry customer access would be from the old entrance further along the platform.

Jerry
No really ! ::) ;D You should see the Snow hill- Leamington flower and plant show
!!!!!
Digger by Wiking or Prieser - good for folk aswell.

If your station was a terminal then quite plausible to have end joined, if a through then , bridge, subway and a surface planked crossing for barrows. In Urban areas a nearby bridge with steps or ramp possibly  high level building with steps down - you could have this on the otherside of bridge with steps etc "offscene and a low relief or flat station frontage. - One cheat might be mirror under the bridge makes platform look longer!     
Robert   

Thank you so much for your input guys, it is really appreciated! I am taking aspects of both your advice on-board (excuse the pun!). I will use the idea of a truncated platform with the buffer stop with a little track behind it and will incorporate access to the station with the scenic break through use of a girder bridge with step access down to both platforms, as shown in the very quick mock up with card:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-160117152709.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47438)

The bridge will continue to the right (the card to hand wasn't long enough!) and will carry a road with pavement/station signs etc It will give the impression that he station used to continue the other side.

I hope this will make it all look more plausible whilst achieving the look I want!

Thanks,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 16, 2017, 08:34:43 pm
Hello all,

I have worked on the new bridge today which acts as a scenic break. I have decided access to the station will probably be off scene as to not clutter the platform too much! The colour of the bridge is fairly vivid but I feel it makes a nice contrast with the older grey/sand coloured London brick. It is not finished yet but looks good in situ:)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-160117202807.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47447)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-160117202825.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47448)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-160117202951.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47449)

Thanks,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: newportnobby on January 16, 2017, 08:44:44 pm
The girder bridge looks good, Alex, and is also a prime target for some graffiti ;)
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: port perran on January 16, 2017, 08:45:43 pm
I think the colour works well and the rusting is e  ellent.
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 16, 2017, 08:50:59 pm
The girder bridge looks good, Alex, and is also a prime target for some graffiti ;)

Indeed, its the first thing on the list to do tomorrow! Just got to think what to write in what colour haha!

I think the colour works well and the rusting is e  ellent.

Thanks, its amazing how rust can really bring things to life!

Cheers,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: robert shrives on January 16, 2017, 09:47:20 pm
  :greatpicturessign:
Wow in time I took to blather on you built a bridge and colouring is just right. I respectfully suggest a second pier built into the retaining wall as that is a big span for a single girder given it has a building partially hung from it.- also helps the view blocker , another artistic suggestion is to mount bridge out of parallel to back scene, as you risk a rigid angle fest whereas real world is far from square.
perhaps narrow at front out to wide at rear with the hint of the station frontage.
buffer stop could be just in its shadow as you say at hinting of more beyond. I think Snow Hill in Brum ended its first period like that, and Bradford Forster sq not much better.
Robert             
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: newportnobby on January 16, 2017, 10:14:49 pm

Indeed, its the first thing on the list to do tomorrow! Just got to think what to write in what colour haha!

Surely the first thing would be "Alex luvs [insert name here]" and I don't mean the TV programme :no: ;)
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 16, 2017, 10:45:58 pm
Now if it was a Glasgow layout you would need a 'Tongs ya Bas'. 

For those of you not familiar with Glasgow slang can I redirect you to Wikipedia.

Needles to say the Tongs motif was painted copiously on the tunnels and elevated sections south of Glasgow Central in the 1960/70's.
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Steamie+ on January 17, 2017, 05:03:56 am
 :wonderful modelling: Alex, you are a very skilled person indeed, just love the build. Bet you canít wait to put some track down when funds become available. I bet it will look even more impressive when there is some greenery done. Keep it coming Alex, i really love seeing your work.    :beers:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: weave on January 17, 2017, 05:25:13 am
Hi Alex,

Great stuff. Very jealous.

Graffiti suggestion...Weave's layout SUCKS!  :(

Keep up the good work.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 17, 2017, 08:24:30 pm
Hi all,

I have been progressing with the abandoned platform, the tunnel portal and the station frontage for on the blue bridge.  I am not sure if I am happy with the building to be honest so any thoughts good or bad will be appreciated! The road is far from finished: further lines will be added along with other details and most importantly vehicles at a later stage! The whole scene needs some life but until the budget is bigger, that will be have to wait! Furthermore, I think the whole board needs track, ballast and foliage to make it look a lot better!
 
The platform looking suitably decrepit I think! There will be plenty of debris around as well as workers and machinery!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-170117201512.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47480)

As I said I am not sure about the scene on the bridge or the building, let me know what you think:)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-170117201531.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47481)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-170117201643.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47483)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-170117201718.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47485)

The tunnel will have foliage and weeds on top, hence the gap between it and the backscene.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-170117201659.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47484)

A nice little shot from on top of the tunnel!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-170117201734.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47486)

An overhead shot that captures it all together, still lots to do!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-170117201549.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47482)


Thank you all for your graffiti ideas, I am sure some will pop up as time goes on! I have added the poll so I can see what you all think so hopefully I'll get some useful votes!

Thanks,

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: newportnobby on January 17, 2017, 09:16:17 pm
I think you are making a blinding job of creating a decrepit run down area, Alex. Keep up the good work and, as a final act, spread litter everywhere.
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Steamie+ on January 18, 2017, 05:43:26 am
I think you are making a blinding job of creating a decrepit run down area, Alex. Keep up the good work and, as a final act, spread litter everywhere.

Great idea   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Bealman on January 18, 2017, 06:07:26 am
Coming along brilliantly.  :thumbsup:

Reminds me of a layout I saw in the model railway press a few years ago (can't remember the Mag or name of layout  :-[). A run down terminus in the Seventies.

Probably a prototype from where I used to live, when I think about it  :uneasy:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Steamie+ on January 18, 2017, 06:11:55 am
There is a video on Youtube about a lady who has done just that with brilliant little newspapers and stuff to make a scene has if rubbish bins have been knocked over and the wind has blown them into the gutters, canít for the life of me remember who it was, this old memory is getting worse lol    :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Jerry Howlett on January 18, 2017, 02:58:01 pm
I think your station entrance on the bridge looks suitably "uninviting" like you would use this station after dark...no!!

 :thumbsup: >:D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Drakken on January 18, 2017, 03:50:04 pm
This is one epic looking layout, The derelict platform is stunning, Fantastic work  :beers:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 18, 2017, 08:44:51 pm
Hi all,

I have not done much modelling today due to being out and work but I have done a new track plan! I have received an offer for some track to help me out from someone on the forum and for that I must say a huge thank you, the benefits of being a member of such a great group of people!

Therefore, I have more points than originally planned at my disposal and so I think I will use the following plan:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5545-180117204248.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47527)

I like the packed nature of the bottom half as it adds to the idea of a once-busy-now-barely used sidings complex. I am not sure whether to keep the points on the top half or not: my idea is that the original two lines were reduced to one but with a two track station and then when the other platform was closed the second line was reduced and kept just to allow wagons for platform disposal access to the line! If that all makes sense!

Thanks and hopefully more modelling tomorrow!

Alex
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: Mito on January 18, 2017, 09:00:34 pm
That makes sense! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Layout for University
Post by: AR on January 18, 2017, 09:03:14 pm
It seems like a lot of track but I think as its split into two levels I think it will looked suitably claustrophobic without looking out of place:)