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Title: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: JohnnyMcCoyT9 on January 04, 2017, 11:22:53 pm
Hi All!

I thought I would start a thread to share my work over the next few months (and hopefully years!). I plan to do a lot of work on my railway and rolling stock and would love to see what you guys think and hopefully learn a few new skills from you along the way  :bounce:

This week I have begun by doing some work towards producing a breakdown train, I have wanted one for years and finally have put a plan into action. With a Cowan Sheldon 15t crane kit on order from Lytchett Manor Models, I thought a good bit of preparation would be to start building a support train. To do this I have converted two older pieces of stock. I understand that breakdown trains of the 50s and 60s were made up of all sorts of old stock and so I have taken some artistic licence to produce something which I feel works on my layout.

The first is a Dapol Siphon H wagon which has received a new coat of paint and will later receive some work to add further detail to the exterior as well as some basic weathering. This will represent a work van which would house all the required tools and equipment for the work crew.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5814-040117230141.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46863)

The second is a GF suburban coach which has also recieved a repaint. It has also had a chimney added to represent an on board wood burner or boiler. This coach is to represent a mess and sleeping coach for the crew. I would like to add further detailing to the coach as well as some weathering and potentially on board lighting. All in good time!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5814-040117230407.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46864)



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I also plan to convert a milk wagon to serve as a water source for the train too, however as I do not own one this little addition has stalled! However I am still pleased with my progress and am curious to know if there is anything anybody would advise to add to my train?

Have a good evening all!  :sleep:
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: Bealman on January 04, 2017, 11:29:18 pm
I think the breakdown train is a splendid idea, and you've certainly made a good start on it. Can't wait to see the crane!  :thumbsup:

Nice looking layout, too, by the way.  :beers:
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: JohnnyMcCoyT9 on January 04, 2017, 11:41:13 pm
Thankyou Bealman, That's very kind of you to say. I cannot wait for the crane to show up, I am sure I will have plenty of fun with that  :D
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: newportnobby on January 05, 2017, 11:56:50 am
Not having a breakdown train myself, I look forward to seeing how this evolves.

I have a couple of concerns from your pics, though :worried:

Tracks so close to the baseboard edge with no protection in the event of a derailment really worry me.
Track rubbers produce a fine white dust which can easily accumulate in locos so please wipe the track down and vacuum after using them.

Sorry to go off topic.
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: JohnnyMcCoyT9 on January 05, 2017, 12:07:23 pm
Not having a breakdown train myself, I look forward to seeing how this evolves.

I have a couple of concerns from your pics, though :worried:

Tracks so close to the baseboard edge with no protection in the event of a derailment really worry me.
Track rubbers produce a fine white dust which can easily accumulate in locos so please wipe the track down and vacuum after using them.

Sorry to go off topic.

No need to apologise, perfectly good concerns and I will do my best to address them. I do have limited space so the shape of my layout is designed so that I can get the most track in possible. The curve you see in my third image results in me being right beside the layout when operating. I have not had a derailment so far (tempting fate there), but I will definitely put some cushions on the floor in future. And any rolling stock used gets put away at the end of the day just in case!

As for the track rubber, I had thought of this and do have a little handheld hoover to deal with this and dust! To be honest I am going off track rubbers and am interested in alternative ways of keeping the track clean and fresh  :D
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: newportnobby on January 05, 2017, 12:12:05 pm
To be honest I am going off track rubbers and am interested in alternative ways of keeping the track clean and fresh  :D

There's a huge amount of info about chosen methods but rather than everyone pile in and mess up your 'Workbench' thread I suggest you type 'track cleaning' into the Search function and be prepared to read for a couple of months :laugh:
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: Zwilnik on January 05, 2017, 12:27:03 pm
For your water tanker, it might not need to be a 6 wheel milk tanker. Given that they'd use whatever's going spare you could either use one of the Peco 4 wheel kits or just (literally) lash anything tank like to a spare chassis and scribble "Water" on it :)
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: JohnnyMcCoyT9 on January 08, 2017, 10:42:22 pm
Not much to add on constucting my breakdown train. I have purchased a couple of peco wagon skits to add to my breakdown set, a 15ft tanker kit and a 15ft bolster wagon. Now I will be eagerly waiting by my letterbox all week awaiting the various bits and pieces to continue the project  :bounce:

Meanwhile I have decided to give my favourite locomotive a facelift, a Union Mills T9 Greyhound in Southern Black. As with most Union Mills locomotives an amount of detail has been left off of this model, however that is perfect for modellers like me who want to add their own touch.

To improve my T9 I have done a few small things to start with. To begin I have applied Humbrol 12 to some of the piping along the side of the locomotive, which had been left black on the locomotive. I have also applied this paint to the whistle and valves on top of the locomotive. I have also given the front and rear buffers a little repaint as they have come painted with a shiny red paint which feels off with the rest of the matt black locomotive. To do this I have used Humbrol 60, it is the closest I presently have to buffer beam red and definately does the job ;D

Finally I have gone over the whole model with some weathering powders. I haven't much experience with the powders but through reading a few threads on the forum I have picked up a few tips here and there, so thankyou fellow members for your marvellous advice and guides  :thankyousign:  To give a general weathered impression I have used a dark earth coloured powder all along the sides of the locomotive. I have added a few dashes of black soot around the pipework to fade the newly painted pipes which stand out like a sore thumb! To finish the loco off I have made a mix of white, black and dark earth powders to simulate a buildup of ash in front of the firebox.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5814-080117221929.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47119)

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Overall I am pleased with the facelift, it looks like a proper workhorse now! However I do have a few changes I would like to make. I feel the buffers still stand out, so some darker paints with a decent coat of weathering will be applied in future. I would also like to add some vaccum pipes and coupling hooks to give the front and rear of the locomotive a few points of interest.

What do you guys think? Any suggestions on further work this locomotive could receive?

Have a good evening everyone  ;D
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: Ricardus Harfelde on January 08, 2017, 11:00:28 pm
You could try replacing the buffers with turned brass buffers as I did as shown below
I bought mine from the NGS shop, not sure if they still sell them but if not you should be able to get some from NBrass, etc.

The original buffers should simply pull out and the new ones slide in with an interference fit (with luck). Be careful though as the yield stress of the white metal is quite low and you don't want a bent buffer beam

Richard

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4039-070117115433.jpeg)
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: JohnnyMcCoyT9 on January 08, 2017, 11:06:40 pm
You could try replacing the buffers with turned brass buffers as I did as shown below
I bought mine from the NGS shop, not sure if they still sell them but if not you should be able to get some from NBrass, etc.

The original buffers should simply pull out and the new ones slide in with an interference fit (with luck). Be careful though as the yield stress of the white metal is quite low and you don't want a bent buffer beam

Richard

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Hi Richard,

Thats a very good idea, I was actually looking at your model on the classifieds earlier. The buffers on your model do look much better than the ones supplied. Thankyou very much for your input.

Jonathan
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: Mito on January 09, 2017, 09:20:45 pm
A nice bit of weathering. :thumbsup: It really looks like a working loco.
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: JohnnyMcCoyT9 on January 11, 2017, 09:31:49 pm
Update on the breakdown train! Still no crane in sight, however I have managed to add to the rolling stock of the tool train.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5814-110117212613.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47196)

I have purchased 2 Peco 15ft wagons to represent a bolster wagon (which may or may not be used according to length of the train with added crane) and a water container for the crane's boiler. I must say the Peco wagons are a delight to put together, minimal effort, just what I need after a long 8 day shift! Makes me feel like I have accomplished something :smiley-laughing:

I have finished painting the wagon, very basic red with a brown wooden surface. The water wagon however needs a few more bits of painting before I am satisfied with it! I also need to decide how the word 'water' will be written, whether it will be neatly written in large letters or crudely chalked on to give it a thrown together look. Any opinions?


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5814-110117213115.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47197)

Have a good evening everybody  :sleep:
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: maridunian on January 12, 2017, 08:25:26 am
Hi Jonathan

Paul Bartlett's site has some useful photographs - see http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=breakdown (http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=breakdown)

Enjoy!

Mike
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: JohnnyMcCoyT9 on January 12, 2017, 09:26:23 pm
Cheers for linking that Maridunian, those are some useful resources right there  :D Think a few of my wagons need fading to get a traditional BR pink livery  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: JohnnyMcCoyT9 on February 05, 2017, 06:04:53 pm
As I am still awaiting my cranes, I have turned to an upgrade project with one of my T9s. I presently own two T9s both in Southern liveries, however as I run largely BR locomotives I feel one should get a face lift and new livery.

Today I have dismantled one T9 and given the body a layer of primer. In this grey state the detail of Union Mills locomotives becomes a lot clearer. I have also taken the oppertunity to tidy up the locomotive, removing flash and correcting a slight bend in the front buffer beam.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/5814-050217170902.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48304)

From here I will spray the locomotive matt black all over. After a bit of research into nationalised T9s I have decided to renumber the locomotive number 30313, a locomotive which lasted in operation until 1961, featured a wide cab and retained its 6 wheel tender. Although I do fancy an 8 wheel tender I think thats a project for when I have picked up a lot more experience!
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: JohnnyMcCoyT9 on February 09, 2017, 08:51:14 pm
This evening I have made some very pleasing progress on the T9. After studying a few photographs for detail I have fashioned a few handrails for the sides of the cab using leftover brass, a little change which makes a real difference. I also managed to make a set of 3 lamp irons to sit on the front of the locomotive, one particular area lacking in detail on Union Mills locomotives. I must say it is rather exciting adding these details  :D Although the lamp irons are visible in the following picture I do apologise that this photo isn't very clear, I think in future I need to take photos in better lighting and in front of something white!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/5814-090217203553.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48440)

Having added these details I then gave the loco a good all round spray of matt black paint. So far so good! I need to give it a good think on whether I want the locomotive to be in a matt or satin black.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/5814-090217203843.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48441)

Next step will be to paint the details onto the locomotive. I have a brass colour lines up for the piework, a variety of colours to detail the inside of the cab and red and white to line the locomotive. The buffers also need to be reapplied and repainted having had a good clean up. I also have on order a set of decals to British Railways-affy the side of the cab and the tender.

Today my cranes also turned up! Very exciting! So hopefully soon I can get my breakdown train completed and running  :beers: I think I will start with the 15 ton crane, no rush to jump into the 45 ton!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/5814-090217205006.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48442)

Anyway, time for me to get on with building, so have a lovely evening everybody :)
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: JohnnyMcCoyT9 on February 12, 2017, 05:09:11 pm
Hello all, how is everybody's weekends going? :)

A little more progress on the T9 this weekend, I have been brave and tried doing a little lining. I have given a metallic copper colour to the piping and to the whistle, as I did with my Southern T9. For this loco I think I will also try to craft the pipework which is visible between the driving wheels, a little bit of brass wire should do the trick, has anybody else given this a try? I have also lined the sides of the boiler with red, I did this with plenty of masking tape and a steady hand, and I am very pleased with this result. I have also given the wheels a bit of weathering, particularly on the tender wheels which stood out being so shiny! 30313 is coming together very nicely  :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/5814-120217163513.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48528)

My next stage will be to line the tender and the cab with white and red paint. This will be a very delicate operation and I feel I may struggle, does anybody have any advice on how to do this lining? I have read of specialist pens which can do this, does anybody have any experience?

I also have an early picture of my Ransome and Rapier 45 ton crane. So far I have checked over the kit for burs and other problems and have assembled the main crane body. More progress to follow! I have a trip booked down to the Bluebell railway this coming week, having not been down there in years it is bound to be a real treat (paid for by the GF!). I hope that I can get a chance to see their 45 ton crane and get some photos of the beast, I understand a lot of work was put into restoring it so I look forward to admiring their handiwork! I am presently also deciding on whether my crane will have been for its 1959 'overhaul' yet to receive red livery or whether it will still have it's early BR black.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/5814-120217165145.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48529)
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: newportnobby on February 12, 2017, 05:23:44 pm
The T9 looks better every time. Enjoy your Bluebell Railway trip although how you got Graham Farish to pay for it I just don't know ;)
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: Papyrus on February 12, 2017, 09:19:09 pm

My next stage will be to line the tender and the cab with white and red paint. This will be a very delicate operation and I feel I may struggle, does anybody have any advice on how to do this lining? I have read of specialist pens which can do this, does anybody have any experience?


Hello Johnny,

These pens go under a variety of names - drawing pen, lining pen, mapping pen to name but three. They take a while to get used to but can give a very satisfactory result if you are patient. I have several spares left over from my days as a surveyor. You are welcome to have one if it would be useful. I can cobble some instructions together too if required. PM me if I can help.

Cheers,

Chris

PS. Not tripped over this thread before. That T9 is looking excellent!
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: JohnnyMcCoyT9 on February 18, 2017, 09:38:22 pm
Had a crack at some decals today, adding locomotive numbers and the BR late crest to the tender. A fiddly process with plenty of mistakes but I have come out with something I like. Not the tidiest job  and boy those numbers like to go where they like! With a little weathering later on my handiwork will be hidden away a little behind a layer of grime. In my opinion it is looking great. But for now she can have a good run around on my layout, I think I have earned a little play and an opportunity to watch my handiwork blend in with the layout.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/5814-180217213241.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48806)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/5814-180217213302.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48807)

My next step will be to add the lining to the tender and cab sides, but for now I think I have earned a beer  :beers:
Title: Re: Jonathan's Workbench
Post by: newportnobby on February 19, 2017, 03:33:25 am
Nice job. Well done :thumbsup: