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Title: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on September 09, 2016, 07:24:22 pm
Hi all,

After months of not being able to doing anything modelling related, I got to sit down today and have a look at the Peco refrigerator van. I discovered that it is fairly close to the GNR and later LNER versions but the end details aren't right and it's missing several features.

So a bit of a play and I've come up with this:

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-09-09%2018.55.34_zpsr2dzyhkl.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-09-09%2018.55.34_zpsr2dzyhkl.jpg.html)

I've carved off the original end and roof details, scribed the planking back in, added end posts, footstep and ice filler hatches on top. I've also removed the Peco coupling pockets as I intend for this wagon to be part of a fix rake. I've still got to add on hand grabs, end ladders and vac pipes but I'm quite happy with how this has turned out so far.

Interestingly, this van could also be adapted to a variety of other GNR and early LNER types. If I can figure out a good way to change the side doors, I could create a good representation of the late 1920's versions of the 'LNER standard van'. I know that Farish now produces a similar vehicle but it's actually of a design from the 1940's (and rather expensive!). I've got a few more of these Peco kits on the way and will post as and when work allows!

3D printing will also resume once I've got some more resin for the printer!  :'(
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Tank on September 10, 2016, 10:41:19 am
Looks good Steve.

Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Atso on September 11, 2016, 11:53:29 am
Thanks Tank,

I've got some etched ladders, several more of these kits and a few 9ft wheelbase chassis to do some more variations on this theme.

I was brave last night and cut out 1.25mm (one plank) out of each end of another van before sticking the remaining bits back together. This now brings the body close to a scale 16ft and fits a Peco 9ft wagon chassis perfectly. The van is to become one of the earlier GNR ventilated vans. No pictures yet as: (a) I'm suppose to be working! and (b) it's covered in filler at the moment and not very  photogenic...  :D
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Atso on September 11, 2016, 05:23:18 pm
Hi all,

Work is finished and I've had a chance to rub down and spray some primer on the shortened van:

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-09-11%2017.03.45_zpsisjvfjej.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-09-11%2017.03.45_zpsisjvfjej.jpg.html)

The van on the left is now around 2.5-3mm shorter than the refrigeration van on the right. I've got to rescribe the planking where I've cut and shut the body as well as carefully take off the centre hinges and straps (it seems only GNR/LNER refrigeration and bannan vans had three hinges per door). The shorter van also differs slightly on the ends as it requires four posts per end compared to the refrigerator van's two. Also I've got to fit four torpedo ventilators to the short van, this will give it a bit of a different look. Hopefully the difference between the 9ft and 10ft wheelbases is apparently in the picture as well.

Much to do but I'm having fun!  :D
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: lil chris on September 11, 2016, 10:02:20 pm
Very nice job, it will be nice to see the finished job. I have a couple of NGS van kits to build yet when I find time, not sure what to build them has yet I need to do some research on what was used where my railway is based,ie ex L&Y/LMS.
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Atso on September 12, 2016, 07:32:39 pm
Very nice job, it will be nice to see the finished job. I have a couple of NGS van kits to build yet when I find time, not sure what to build them has yet I need to do some research on what was used where my railway is based,ie ex L&Y/LMS.

Thanks Chris, I can't wait to see them finished either!

For my own approximations of actual wagon types I'm using Tatlow's LNER Wagons as a reference. I'm sure that there is a similar reference book for L&Y stock. I've seen the NGS van kits and was wondering about getting a couple as a source of parts... Parkwood used to produce a similar kit for some LNER vans but I've not seen them available for a long time.

Back to PECO kit hacking, I've discovered that the GNR built two 26ft long hat vans for traffic between Luton and Kings Cross. If I sacrifice two of the refrigerator vans....  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: lil chris on September 12, 2016, 08:08:59 pm
Sounds good Atso, I will get round to it eventually probably when I have finished the scenics.
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Atso on September 13, 2016, 12:05:03 pm
Ok, playing a bit more with the Peco refrigerator vans...

I decided to cut up two of the vans and splice them together to create a representation of the hat van. I've still got the roof to do as well as the door and end modifications.

Here is progress to date placed on the reference material...

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-09-13%2011.33.51_zpstfy5d28h.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-09-13%2011.33.51_zpstfy5d28h.jpg.html)

...and a shot of inside showing the reinforcements supporting the body around the cuts.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-09-13%2011.34.08_zpstddj5win.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-09-13%2011.34.08_zpstddj5win.jpg.html)

The chassis will have to be scratchbuilt. I've found the 2mm association sells etched 'W' irons, springs, axle boxes and shorter axles that would be suitable for this vehicle.

As you can see, still plenty to do on this one along with a bit I'm not looking forward to. The hat van has vertical planking on the ends while the Peco van has horizontal. Do I fill the existing planking and try to scribe the vertical ones or do I ignore this feature?

Some more resin as arrived for the 3D printer so printing will resume once a slight modification to the printer have been completed.
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: lil chris on September 13, 2016, 05:04:44 pm
You know what will happen if you ignore the planking. You will know it is wrong even if the rivet counters do not spot it, and you will kick yourself for not doing it right.
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Atso on September 13, 2016, 05:49:59 pm
You know what will happen if you ignore the planking. You will know it is wrong even if the rivet counters do not spot it, and you will kick yourself for not doing it right.

Thanks for the input Chris - however, I think I'm going to leave it simply because I don't think I can do a good job rescribing the planking (better wrong than a bad job I think). As the van has had the most work put into it, I don't want to ruin it now. Besides this one will live in the middle of a fixed rake of wagons so no-one will be able to see the ends!  ;) If I find at a later date I can do this on another wagon, I can always go back.

Middle hinges have been taken off the doors now and the two roofs have been cut, joined and filled. Still need a bit more work getting to roof join seemless but it is almost there. I'll take a picture of the four wagons as they currently are a bit later.
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Atso on September 13, 2016, 07:32:51 pm
Current progress with the vans.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/33cc1e87-3859-49e9-b402-f53368a8969c_zpsf1uhpxf3.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/33cc1e87-3859-49e9-b402-f53368a8969c_zpsf1uhpxf3.jpg.html)

The short ventilated van (3rd from right) still needs to get it's roof vents, the refrigerator van it's hand grabs and ladder and the covered van (far left) needs its solebars painting. The hat van is temporarily sitting on a Peco 15ft chassis (totally wrong but it's the right length - we'll see how long temporarily ends up being!).

As these are all fitted vans red oxide is the order of the day with the exception of the refrigerator van which will remain white (but will get a repaint). Decals should be fun as I'm looking to print my own. The refrigerator van should be reasonably simple as the lettering is black but the others will all have white lettering with the hat van having it's authorised areas painted on the side...

I've got another six of these kits and I'm researching more variations, although I really need to make at least a couple more refrigerator vans.
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Jerry Howlett on September 15, 2016, 08:30:17 pm
Nice work.   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Atso on September 16, 2016, 08:39:04 am
Thanks Jerry. I've got some bits a pieces arriving in the next few days and then I can experiment with trying to produce white transfers... Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Marty on September 17, 2016, 12:39:07 am
I like the hat van. Quite different. Keep it coming.

Marty
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Atso on September 17, 2016, 09:44:22 pm
I like the hat van. Quite different. Keep it coming.

Marty


Thanks Marty!

A few years ago, I purchased a 2mm scale association starter pack. Inside was a length of track and a wagon kit. As the wagon's chassis was an etched kit, this got looked at and filed under very nice but too complicated. However, having been soldering up some old Ultima etched Gresley sides the other day got me thinking that I might give the etched chassis a try.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-09-17%2021.30.43_zpstow6u9tl.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-09-17%2021.30.43_zpstow6u9tl.jpg.html)

I'm not usually one to wield a soldering iron at all so I'm quite impressed with how this has turned out (as I am with the etched Gresley sides). It's got a few construction wobbles and I lost one axle box, but I'm encouraged enough to have a go at some complete 2mm kits - especially as they do kits for a GNR, GER and early LNER cattle vans! (A proper Toad E brake van is tempting as well!).
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Marty on September 18, 2016, 02:18:36 pm
that looks very nice. Two questions. how long did it take you? and... wgere are the NEM coupler pockets?  :(

Marty
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Atso on September 18, 2016, 07:03:12 pm
that looks very nice. Two questions. how long did it take you? and... wgere are the NEM coupler pockets?  :(

Marty

Hi Marty and many thanks.

The chassis took about two and a half hours to build. To be fair most of this was continually referring to the instructions and understanding the construction methods. I think that the next one should be about an hour - especially as I plan to 'cheat' but designing and printing my own axle box covers rather than relying on the laminated etch method provided in the kit - these were the single most difficult part of the build, everything else was fairly easy.

No NEM pockets on a 2mm finescale kit! This doesn't concern me too much as I plan to use some of these as semi fixed rakes.

The chassis is currently running on finescale wheels which are somewhat sensitive to n gauge track. The 2mm association thoughtfully supplies appropriate axles to convert Farish wagon wheels to run with these kits as the chassis is designed to accept a 12mm long axle while Farish's and Dapol's are around 15mm in length.
Title: Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on October 04, 2016, 01:45:44 pm
Hi all,

Well my theory regarding producing white decals didn't work out so I'm now thinking how I can achieve the custom transfers I require cheaply.

In other news, my membership to the 2mm Scale Association has been accepted and I've received my first order from their shop today:

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-04%2013.34.10_zpsrniqifpu.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-04%2013.34.10_zpsrniqifpu.jpg.html)

Cattle vans is the main theme here and I've got three to build, one ex GER (the plastic mouldings but awaiting a suitable chassis to complete), one ex GNR and one early LNER (the etches). I've also got a couple of 9'6 wheelbase chassis to build which hopefully will fit my 3D printed GNR clerestory vent I designed last year. I've also splashed out on some nice buffers that have been cast in brass, some adaptor axles (to fit the etched chassis) that'll accept Farish wheels and some etched 'w' irons that'll be used for a couple of other projects.

I'm looking forward to further improving my soldering skills (or lack of!) and would be happy to post construction photos of my progress if these would be on interest to people.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on October 04, 2016, 07:46:19 pm
Ok, started this about 3:30 and got carried away...

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-04%2019.38.29_zpsj6csy5gt.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-04%2019.38.29_zpsj6csy5gt.jpg.html)

Roof isn't attached yet...
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on October 05, 2016, 11:40:16 am
Hi all,

On with the chassis. I actually to some pictures (badly!) this time...

Taking the chassis etch, the first job was to cut out the main chassis part, open up the bearing holes slightly and solder in the bearings. I used solder paste and soldered from the front face to ensure I didn't get any solder inside the bearing surface.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-05%2009.54.25_zpsu3foeiga.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-05%2009.54.25_zpsu3foeiga.jpg.html)

Then I folded the 'w' irons and brake gear hangers before testing it with wheels (Farish on the 2mm conversion axle) to make sure everything was free running and level before testing with the body and making adjustments to fit as required.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-05%2010.00.12_zps7e57aqp3.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-05%2010.00.12_zps7e57aqp3.jpg.html)

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-05%2010.10.29_zpsr2pcg2xf.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-05%2010.10.29_zpsr2pcg2xf.jpg.html)

Next up were the sole bars. These need to be folded up from the three layers pictured below to get the correct chassis width.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-05%2010.43.20_zpsvaild5fe.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-05%2010.43.20_zpsvaild5fe.jpg.html)

Unfortunately, things weren't quite that simple with this kit. The sole bars supplied with the chassis are unsuitable for the cattle van due to the van's length. Substitute sole bars are supplied with the body kit for this purpose and were added as the topmost layer instead.

Next I cut out the brake etch from the fret. This is a clever bit of design as it is also a simple fold up piece that sits in etched slots in the main chassis. Once in place solder paste was applied to the handy access holes in the etch and soldered solid.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-05%2010.58.56_zpsaudzuagv.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-05%2010.58.56_zpsaudzuagv.jpg.html)

After this, I threaded some 0.25mm wire through the brake hangers and soldered up.

At this point I stopped as I need to do a bit of thinking about the brake handles. These don't line up with the replacement sole bar overlays so I can't attach them until a solution is found. I do have some etched springs and axleboxes but might have a go at 3D printing these rather than laminating very small etches...

Today's progress has resulted in this:

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-05%2011.07.49_zpsrykeqpe4.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-05%2011.07.49_zpsrykeqpe4.jpg.html)

Apologies for the horrible photos (my phone camera) and I hope that the above makes sense to somebody other than me!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on October 05, 2016, 11:51:55 am
Somewhat better picture of progress to date...

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-05%2011.47.00_zpsfwdcutii.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-05%2011.47.00_zpsfwdcutii.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on October 06, 2016, 07:16:24 pm
I've mostly built the GER cattle wagon today. Not going to go into this one as it's just a plastic kit mounted on an etched chassis similar to the one above.

However, I've been playing with some of the 2mm Association's etched 'W' irons and came up with this this evening.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-06%2018.57.37_zpsftc6bmbg.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-06%2018.57.37_zpsftc6bmbg.jpg.html)

Show next to a standard Peco brake for comparison. The 'W' irons are held in place with bluetack, hence why they're wonky. A bit of a long term project this one...
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: paulprice on October 06, 2016, 09:22:21 pm
Current progress with the vans.

([url]http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/33cc1e87-3859-49e9-b402-f53368a8969c_zpsf1uhpxf3.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/33cc1e87-3859-49e9-b402-f53368a8969c_zpsf1uhpxf3.jpg.html[/url])

The short ventilated van (3rd from right) still needs to get it's roof vents, the refrigerator van it's hand grabs and ladder and the covered van (far left) needs its solebars painting. The hat van is temporarily sitting on a Peco 15ft chassis (totally wrong but it's the right length - we'll see how long temporarily ends up being!).

As these are all fitted vans red oxide is the order of the day with the exception of the refrigerator van which will remain white (but will get a repaint). Decals should be fun as I'm looking to print my own. The refrigerator van should be reasonably simple as the lettering is black but the others will all have white lettering with the hat van having it's authorised areas painted on the side...

I've got another six of these kits and I'm researching more variations, although I really need to make at least a couple more refrigerator vans.


Looking good, its even got me thinking
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: maridunian on October 07, 2016, 09:54:02 am
Show next to a standard Peco brake for comparison. The 'W' irons are held in place with bluetack, hence why they're wonky. A bit of a long term project this one...

How interesting - any thoughts on how it will traverse tight curves (or will it live in 2mm world, where all the curves are above average radius?)

Mike
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on October 07, 2016, 11:47:59 am
How interesting - any thoughts on how it will traverse tight curves (or will it live in 2mm world, where all the curves are above average radius?)

Mike

Hi Mike,

I'm definitely staying as an N gauge modeller for the time being so it'll need to be able to traverse just under a 10 inch radius! The current plan is to use 2mm adaptor axles with bearings on the outer 'W' irons and simply ream out the bearing holes on the inner ones and use standard Farish wagon wheels and axles. I hope that there will be sufficient side play to allow it to get around curves. If this fails my fallback position will be to place the inner wheels in a drill and file off the flanges.

Fingers crossed that one of these ideas works!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on November 18, 2016, 04:59:27 pm
All gone a bit quiet again here so in an effort to get some modelling done I've been playing with the old Farish bogie sulphate wagon.

I stripped the wagon back down into it's component parts and then filed the top of the bogie pivot down to the same height as the bogie stretcher.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-11-18%2016.42.39_zpsrpkadkqm.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-11-18%2016.42.39_zpsrpkadkqm.jpg.html)

Sorry about the poor quality photo but hopefully you can see the difference this makes in the height of the wagon (left) against an unaltered one (right) and how much better the model seems with a minimal gap between the bogies and solebar. The wagon is now almost 2mm lower and will still go around a 9 3/4 inch curve to boot!

I've also changed the wheels for modern Farish ones - I've got some correct 3 hole wheels somewhere but they've eluded me so far today!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Newportnobby on November 18, 2016, 08:05:34 pm
Nice job, Steve. The difference is remarkable :thumbsup:
I can guess what a bogie pivot is but what's a bogie stretcher, please? Somehow I don't think it involves nasal gardening :no: :dunce:
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on November 20, 2016, 02:25:38 pm
Nice job, Steve. The difference is remarkable :thumbsup:
I can guess what a bogie pivot is but what's a bogie stretcher, please? Somehow I don't think it involves nasal gardening :no: :dunce:

 :laughabovepost:

Thanks newportnobby!

The bogie stretcher is the piece that runs between the two outer side frames and connects to the pivot hole, nothing to do with the green stuff at all I'm afraid!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on January 17, 2017, 06:28:26 pm
Hi all,

Following a somewhat down and out Christmas, I felt like I'd lost my modelling mojo again. However, I picked myself up and went to the Stevenage show last Sunday. While there, I came across the BH Enterprises stand and found several etched brass kits. These are all re-releases of kits originally produced in 1991 and included to my joy, a GCR fish van and a GNR brake van!

Anyway, I've finally managed to do some modelling for the first time in six or seven weeks yesterday by soldering up the for kits. Three of them are pictured below (the four, another GNR brake van, is drying having received a squirt of primer).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/213-170117182644.jpeg)

From left to right: GCR fish van, GNR brake van, LNER/NER perishables van.

I'm looking forward to getting some more of these!  :D
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on January 18, 2017, 09:45:10 am
Ray at BHE was kind enough to let me pop over last night and buy some more of his wagon kits. I'm now the owner of another brake van, fish van and three fruit vans. I did also get another perishables van but the etch isn't great (badly etched with most of the detail lost) so hopefully Ray will let me swap it for a better example.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/BHE%20Fruit%20and%20GNR%20Brake%20Van%20kits_zpsdthoynsd.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/BHE%20Fruit%20and%20GNR%20Brake%20Van%20kits_zpsdthoynsd.jpg.html)

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/BHE%20Fish%20and%20Fruit%20Van%20kits_zpspxduj6nb.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/BHE%20Fish%20and%20Fruit%20Van%20kits_zpspxduj6nb.jpg.html)

I'm toying with the idea of making the latest GNR brake van as a six wheel version (it's too short for the 8 wheeler!). This wouldn't be strictly accurate as all the photographs I've seen of the six wheel brake van had horizontal planking (the kit represents a van with vertical planking) but it's be close enough - and better than anything I could scratch build. This will mean however that I cannot use a Peco chassis as the kit was intended. Luckily I've got several of the 2mm Association's 'W' iron kits (as per a previous post) so these will be used along with a bit of scratch building.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on January 18, 2017, 07:13:45 pm
Today's progress:

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2017-01-18%2019.00.05_zpsfofojhvt.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2017-01-18%2019.00.05_zpsfofojhvt.jpg.html)

I did take some construction photos of the fish van and can post if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on January 19, 2017, 05:00:24 pm
Having soldered the buffers and coupling hooks onto the last two wagons, I had a moment of insanity today. It suddenly occurred to me that all the vans are vacuum braked types and, since the etch provided coupling hooks, I really should add some vacuum brake pipes as well. To complicate things further, the pipe has two bends in it so that it ends up more or less central on the body at the point where the flexible hose attaches.

Out with some thin wound guitar wire and I removed about 10 mm of winding before setting about bending everything to shape. Final trimming to size, a tiny amount of solder paste and a lot of flux and I managed to attach these to the bodies of two vans without unsoldering anything else!

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2017-01-19%2016.46.57_zps5ymzgiei.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2017-01-19%2016.46.57_zps5ymzgiei.jpg.html)

Two down seven to go!

Edit: I also added the grab rails onto the doors of the vans.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on January 22, 2017, 02:30:30 pm
Well I'm now waiting to see if my soaking the two original vans with badly glued roofs in paint stripper will result in the araldite bond weakening enough to separate the parts and have a second go. However, I have managed to successfully get the roofs onto the other four vans (one was even soldered but a lot of faffing about to achieve that!).

Below is a picture of the progress on other the four vans. The three fruit vans each have a different chassis to create a little variety and represent three incarnations of this design over the years. The chassis are various Peco products representing wooden and steel solebars and 9' and 10' wheelbases.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2017-01-22%2014.13.19_zpskquspn3h.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2017-01-22%2014.13.19_zpskquspn3h.jpg.html)

As you can see in the picture, the middle fruit van needs a bit of fettling to get it to sit properly on it's chassis.

Once I've managed to get the original two vans to the state pictured above, I'll make a start on the third of my GNR brake vans.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on January 24, 2017, 06:47:14 pm
A bit of progress with the vans. Roofs are attached to all the vans with the exception of the brake van. This is because I needed to get into the veranda areas using a rattle can of etch primer from Halfords - I couldn't see any way of doing this with the roof on. Not in picture is the second brake van which is still in it's raw brass state.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2017-01-24%2018.09.52_zpssngvrlti.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2017-01-24%2018.09.52_zpssngvrlti.jpg.html)

But wait! There's and interloper in the rake!

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2017-01-24%2018.10.32_zpsrrpq8uwv.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2017-01-24%2018.10.32_zpsrrpq8uwv.jpg.html)

An old GNR Clerestory fruit van has made an appearance! This is something I designed over a year ago but kept having problems printing it on my B9Creator. I finally figured out why I was having problems an after a quick redesign it was successfully printed today. Other than remove the printer supports and give it a squire of Halfords red plastic primer, I've not done any cleaning up to the print (although it could do with a bit of smoothing on the roof). The chassis is a Peco 10' wooden solebar version which is a scale two inches too long in the wheelbase (c. 0.35mm) but I think it looks ok.

With a bit of luck the vans will be moving through the paint shop in the next week or so.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Ben Line 457 on January 25, 2017, 06:31:49 pm
Really enjoying this thread, I  never thought I'd see the Fish van modelled in 'N' and then you find the BH kits.

But the GN clerestory fruit van is superb, I've always had a soft spot for these after seeing one in Peter Tatlow's book but never thought I'd see one in 3d in whatever scale. Excellent work.

Are you likely to release this for sale at some point?
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 25, 2017, 09:13:26 pm
Some cracking variations atso! !!! Could you not 3d print some end panels with vertical planking to replace existing ones??

Just a quick question relating to your fixed rakes, what set up do you use for this?? Thinking of forming a few fixed rake mineral trains using peco kits and quite fancy close coupled almost without big couplings

Thanks Craig
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Steamie+ on January 26, 2017, 06:48:25 am
Current progress with the vans.

([url]http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/33cc1e87-3859-49e9-b402-f53368a8969c_zpsf1uhpxf3.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/33cc1e87-3859-49e9-b402-f53368a8969c_zpsf1uhpxf3.jpg.html[/url])

The short ventilated van (3rd from right) still needs to get it's roof vents, the refrigerator van it's hand grabs and ladder and the covered van (far left) needs its solebars painting. The hat van is temporarily sitting on a Peco 15ft chassis (totally wrong but it's the right length - we'll see how long temporarily ends up being!).

As these are all fitted vans red oxide is the order of the day with the exception of the refrigerator van which will remain white (but will get a repaint). Decals should be fun as I'm looking to print my own. The refrigerator van should be reasonably simple as the lettering is black but the others will all have white lettering with the hat van having it's authorised areas painted on the side...

I've got another six of these kits and I'm researching more variations, although I really need to make at least a couple more refrigerator vans.


Great job and skill on these vans, wish i had the those skills, they look brilliant.      :thumbsup: :thumbs:

If you donít mind me asking what length of rake will it be and what is going to pull it.     :) :)
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on January 26, 2017, 09:11:42 am
Thank you all for your kind comments.

Really enjoying this thread, I  never thought I'd see the Fish van modelled in 'N' and then you find the BH kits.

But the GN clerestory fruit van is superb, I've always had a soft spot for these after seeing one in Peter Tatlow's book but never thought I'd see one in 3d in whatever scale. Excellent work.

Are you likely to release this for sale at some point?

It's a shame that Ray is out of the fish vans at the moment, otherwise I'd have had a few more over the fruit vans.

I'm quite happy with the GN clerestory van too! It needs a few tweaks still to fit peco wagon chassis properly and to make painting a little easier but I think that I might have a go a resin casting a batch at a later date.

Some cracking variations atso! !!! Could you not 3d print some end panels with vertical planking to replace existing ones??

Just a quick question relating to your fixed rakes, what set up do you use for this?? Thinking of forming a few fixed rake mineral trains using peco kits and quite fancy close coupled almost without big couplings

Thanks Craig

I could 3D print some end panels but the idea with the peco vans (and BHE etches) was to have a go with so methods I wouldn't usually employ. That being said, I have some of the old Parkwood LNER van kits which came with a range of ends (to create several variants) so I might have a go at splicing some of those in.

At the moment the wagons are without couplings. However for the fixed rakes, I'm think of using a simple hook and eye arrangement made out of wire and araldited onto the bottom of the chassis. This was covered in the N'spirations magazines by (I think) Noel Leaver and from the pictures in the article, looks pretty unobtrusive.

Great job and skill on these vans, wish i had the those skills, they look brilliant.      :thumbsup: :thumbs:

If you donít mind me asking what length of rake will it be and what is going to pull it.     :) :)

I didn't know I had the skills until I had a go! To be honest the Peco vans will be (to borrow a phrase from Tony Wright of BRM/RMWeb fame) 'layout wagons' and will be filler pieces on my 1930's ECML layout. I'm modelling a relatively small station borrowing ideas/features from Hertford East, Palmers Green (both on the Hertford Loop and not actually part of the ECML) and Hitchin. Therefore many of the fitted trains would be through workings and, as I'll have the ability to run c. 30 trains, quite a few wagons and coaches will be required. My maximum length would be 9 Gresley coaches or c. 27-30 wagons (which would be too long for the station and it's limited goods facilities) - the exception being a special loop to hold a representation of the New England - London coal train which will be 40+ wagons (still only half the actual length of the prototype).

With regard to motive power, it could be almost anything I own or am building. J3, J6, J11, J39, J50, J52, K2, K3, N2, V2 are classes either owned/built or in the process of being designed/built and would represent typical classes working goods trains (my J50 would be ruled out of pulling fitted train as my model is an unfitted example). The J50 and J39 weren't common classes to the London area in the 1930s but were seen. I've got a Farish J39 (which won't be converted into a J6) because I quite like it and two Union Mills versions which will eventually end up being detailed and provided with representations of the small style of LNER tenders that was more common to the class.

At the moment, I've very light on unfitted wagons (i.e. non-vacuumed braked) and general open wagons, both of which were still very common in the period I'm modelling; this will need to be addressed in time. It isn't always appreciated that the LNER was pretty much always short of cash and therefore pre-grouping designs often lasted much longer than was the case on the other railways. For example it is estimated that in the late 1930s only c.30% of the LNER's passenger stock in service had actually been build post the 1923 grouping - this is what I'd like to represent in my own modelling, the cutting edge (for the 30s) running alongside the ancient!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Steamie+ on January 27, 2017, 07:46:43 am
Thank you all for your kind comments.

Really enjoying this thread, I  never thought I'd see the Fish van modelled in 'N' and then you find the BH kits.

But the GN clerestory fruit van is superb, I've always had a soft spot for these after seeing one in Peter Tatlow's book but never thought I'd see one in 3d in whatever scale. Excellent work.

Are you likely to release this for sale at some point?

It's a shame that Ray is out of the fish vans at the moment, otherwise I'd have had a few more over the fruit vans.

I'm quite happy with the GN clerestory van too! It needs a few tweaks still to fit peco wagon chassis properly and to make painting a little easier but I think that I might have a go a resin casting a batch at a later date.

Some cracking variations atso! !!! Could you not 3d print some end panels with vertical planking to replace existing ones??

Just a quick question relating to your fixed rakes, what set up do you use for this?? Thinking of forming a few fixed rake mineral trains using peco kits and quite fancy close coupled almost without big couplings

Thanks Craig

I could 3D print some end panels but the idea with the peco vans (and BHE etches) was to have a go with so methods I wouldn't usually employ. That being said, I have some of the old Parkwood LNER van kits which came with a range of ends (to create several variants) so I might have a go at splicing some of those in.

At the moment the wagons are without couplings. However for the fixed rakes, I'm think of using a simple hook and eye arrangement made out of wire and araldited onto the bottom of the chassis. This was covered in the N'spirations magazines by (I think) Noel Leaver and from the pictures in the article, looks pretty unobtrusive.

Great job and skill on these vans, wish i had the those skills, they look brilliant.      :thumbsup: :thumbs:

If you donít mind me asking what length of rake will it be and what is going to pull it.     :) :)

I didn't know I had the skills until I had a go! To be honest the Peco vans will be (to borrow a phrase from Tony Wright of BRM/RMWeb fame) 'layout wagons' and will be filler pieces on my 1930's ECML layout. I'm modelling a relatively small station borrowing ideas/features from Hertford East, Palmers Green (both on the Hertford Loop and not actually part of the ECML) and Hitchin. Therefore many of the fitted trains would be through workings and, as I'll have the ability to run c. 30 trains, quite a few wagons and coaches will be required. My maximum length would be 9 Gresley coaches or c. 27-30 wagons (which would be too long for the station and it's limited goods facilities) - the exception being a special loop to hold a representation of the New England - London coal train which will be 40+ wagons (still only half the actual length of the prototype).

With regard to motive power, it could be almost anything I own or am building. J3, J6, J11, J39, J50, J52, K2, K3, N2, V2 are classes either owned/built or in the process of being designed/built and would represent typical classes working goods trains (my J50 would be ruled out of pulling fitted train as my model is an unfitted example). The J50 and J39 weren't common classes to the London area in the 1930s but were seen. I've got a Farish J39 (which won't be converted into a J6) because I quite like it and two Union Mills versions which will eventually end up being detailed and provided with representations of the small style of LNER tenders that was more common to the class.

At the moment, I've very light on unfitted wagons (i.e. non-vacuumed braked) and general open wagons, both of which were still very common in the period I'm modelling; this will need to be addressed in time. It isn't always appreciated that the LNER was pretty much always short of cash and therefore pre-grouping designs often lasted much longer than was the case on the other railways. For example it is estimated that in the late 1930s only c.30% of the LNER's passenger stock in service had actually been build post the 1923 grouping - this is what I'd like to represent in my own modelling, the cutting edge (for the 30s) running alongside the ancient!

 :thankyousign: Your knowledge is brilliant.     :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Paddy on January 28, 2017, 08:24:51 am
All gone a bit quiet again here so in an effort to get some modelling done I've been playing with the old Farish bogie sulphate wagon.

I stripped the wagon back down into it's component parts and then filed the top of the bogie pivot down to the same height as the bogie stretcher.

([url]http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-11-18%2016.42.39_zpsrpkadkqm.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-11-18%2016.42.39_zpsrpkadkqm.jpg.html[/url])

Sorry about the poor quality photo but hopefully you can see the difference this makes in the height of the wagon (left) against an unaltered one (right) and how much better the model seems with a minimal gap between the bogies and solebar. The wagon is now almost 2mm lower and will still go around a 9 3/4 inch curve to boot!

I've also changed the wheels for modern Farish ones - I've got some correct 3 hole wheels somewhere but they've eluded me so far today!


That is a big improvement - any chance of some photos of the work done underneath?  I wouldn't mind having a go myself on this one.

Paddy
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on January 29, 2017, 04:41:19 pm
That is a big improvement - any chance of some photos of the work done underneath?  I wouldn't mind having a go myself on this one.

Paddy

IIRC it was simply a case of filling down the top of the bogie so that it was flush with the cross bracing. The two converted wagons are temporarily in 'storage' ;) but I will post pictures of the modification when I find them...
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Dr Al on January 31, 2017, 10:00:36 am
IIRC it was simply a case of filling down the top of the bogie so that it was flush with the cross bracing. The two converted wagons are temporarily in 'storage' ;) but I will post pictures of the modification when I find them...

Did these wagons make it into BR days do you know?

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on January 31, 2017, 11:41:58 am
Did these wagons make it into BR days do you know?

I don't know about the NER bogie van but the sulphate wagons survived at least into the 1960s. However most of the fleet were apparently used to transport London rubbish out of Enfield from around 1961/2.

Edit: Forgot to mention that mine need a repaint as they are actually in a form of BR livery!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Dr Al on January 31, 2017, 01:09:22 pm
I don't know about the NER bogie van but the sulphate wagons survived at least into the 1960s. However most of the fleet were apparently used to transport London rubbish out of Enfield from around 1961/2.

Edit: Forgot to mention that mine need a repaint as they are actually in a form of BR livery!

How did the buffer heights compared to other stock compare after the modification?

cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Paddy on January 31, 2017, 01:41:29 pm
Good point Alan.

Paddy
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on January 31, 2017, 01:46:04 pm
Fraction high still but I'm talking about literally a fraction.

Sulphate wagon compared to bogie brick and Peco van.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/Buffer%20Heights_zpsfatjs592.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/Buffer%20Heights_zpsfatjs592.jpg.html)

Close up of the buffer heights between the Peco van and Sulphate wagon.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/Buffer%20Height2_zpsnnoz5jwd.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/Buffer%20Height2_zpsnnoz5jwd.jpg.html)

Sorry about the blurred photo, I've tried to get my phone camera to take a more in focus picture without success.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/Bogie%20Modification_zpslulyzfs0.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/Bogie%20Modification_zpslulyzfs0.jpg.html)

What you can see though is that all I've done is to file the protrusion that held the bogie pivot pin flush with the cross member. I've also cut off the coupling pocket as I'm either going to make this part of a fixed rake or add some DG couplings (cheaper that Dapol magnetic couplings!). There really isn't much more that could be taken off without creating clearance issues; I've tested both the NER bogie van and sulphate wagon around Kato 9 3/4 curves without problems but obviously not coupled to anything yet.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Dr Al on February 01, 2017, 09:23:09 am
Thanks Steve. Interesting as I always assumed these were pre-nationalisation and didn't last as there seem to be very few (if any) photos about of them in BR days.

The dropping of the "up on stilts" look is a massive improvement, though I think the BR livery that Grafar used is probably a bit dark.

Looking up online, I've read a few sources saying that these ran sheeted (with tarps) in BR days, so might be worth looking up whether this was also true in LNER days.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on February 01, 2017, 09:29:13 am
Thanks Steve. Interesting as I always assumed these were pre-nationalisation and didn't last as there seem to be very few (if any) photos about of them in BR days.

The dropping of the "up on stilts" look is a massive improvement, though I think the BR livery that Grafar used is probably a bit dark.

Looking up online, I've read a few sources saying that these ran sheeted (with tarps) in BR days, so might be worth looking up whether this was also true in LNER days.

Cheers,
Alan

Hi Alan,

I think that almost certainly they did run with tarps when loaded. However, I've not decided if my two are going to be represented as loaded wagons or not yet.

The brick wagon on the other hand is somewhat more difficult. There seems to be several trains (pun unintended!) of thought as to how these would have been loaded and nobody seems to know if they ran with tarps or not...
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: maridunian on February 01, 2017, 10:47:52 am
I read somewhere that the sulphate loads were sacked. Here are some pictures of the bagging process:

https://picturestocktonarchive.wordpress.com/2004/08/13/ici-in-billingham-13/#comments  (https://picturestocktonarchive.wordpress.com/2004/08/13/ici-in-billingham-13/#comments)

 https://picturestocktonarchive.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/sewing-and-branding-bags-of-sulphate-ammonia/  (https://picturestocktonarchive.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/sewing-and-branding-bags-of-sulphate-ammonia/)

And here's one of the product being loaded into (SR?) 10T tarpaulin wagons:

https://picturestocktonarchive.wordpress.com/2004/01/16/ici-in-billingham-7/ (https://picturestocktonarchive.wordpress.com/2004/01/16/ici-in-billingham-7/)

Mike
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Paddy on February 01, 2017, 03:30:36 pm
Thanks Steve, is the brick wagon a kit?

Paddy
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on February 01, 2017, 05:54:04 pm
Thanks Steve, is the brick wagon a kit?

Paddy

Hi Paddy, its one of my 3D prints.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Paddy on February 01, 2017, 05:56:08 pm
Thanks Steve, is the brick wagon a kit?

Paddy

Hi Paddy, its one of my 3D prints.

Looks very impressive.

Paddy
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on February 01, 2017, 06:23:45 pm
Looks very impressive.

Thank you. I've just sent you a PM.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Steamie+ on February 02, 2017, 07:36:08 am
Thanks Steve, is the brick wagon a kit?

Paddy

Hi Paddy, its one of my 3D prints.

Looks very impressive.

Paddy

Agree with above  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on May 11, 2017, 07:23:58 pm
Just to prove that I'm still progressing with the wagon kits as well as locomotives...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-110517192240.jpeg)
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on July 01, 2017, 11:57:42 am
Deciding to take Hailstones's advice on my locomotive thread to start/do something else to see if some missing 'safely placed' parts turn up, I decided to finally get around to lettering and numbering some wagons. First to receive this treatment were my bogie brick wagons. I wasn't looking forward to this as nobody makes brick wagon transfers in N gauge which means I'd have to be finding the best match of lettering from Fox Transfers and making up the working from individual letters. This has resulted in a not quite perfect match but something that I feel is acceptable.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/213-010717115026.jpeg)

Both wagons are based on photos and luckily the left hand wagon doesn't have 'Return to Fletton' on it nor the non common user 'N' at either end which made life so much simpler for this one. I'm not looking forward to having the letter 'Perishables' onto one side of one of the etched vans but the fruit and fish vans should be easier.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Steamie+ on July 05, 2017, 05:00:37 am
Hi Steve, love your work and i want some brick wagons lol. Found this site for transfers yesterday, they maybe  what you are looking for. Happy Modelling Steve.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on July 05, 2017, 08:42:22 am
Hi Steve, love your work and i want some brick wagons lol. Found this site for transfers yesterday, they maybe  what you are looking for. Happy Modelling Steve.   :thumbsup:

Thanks Steve. I'm happy that they are coming along but I'm going to need a lot more transfers. I'm toying with the idea of producing a paint mask for the large 'NE' which will adorn most of my LNER wagon fleet. It won't help with numbers and other lettering but it'll be something.

I'm very interested to see the page you refer to, unfortunately the link isn't visible on your post.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Steamie+ on July 05, 2017, 09:18:14 am
Try this Steve,

http://www.replicarailways.co.uk/transfers/n-gauge (http://www.replicarailways.co.uk/transfers/n-gauge)

Itís Rod by the way...lol.  Happy Modelling Steve.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on July 05, 2017, 11:01:09 am
Try this Steve,

[url]http://www.replicarailways.co.uk/transfers/n-gauge[/url] ([url]http://www.replicarailways.co.uk/transfers/n-gauge[/url])

Itís Rod by the way...lol.  Happy Modelling Steve.   :thumbsup:



Thanks for that Rod, those BR crests look good and reasonably priced.

Sorry about the confusion, I wasn't sure if you were signing off or wishing me well - I know now!  :D
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on August 21, 2017, 08:52:31 am
Hello from sunny North Yorkshire!

Surprisingly this year, the holiday cottage we're staying in has wifi (kind of) so I have some limited internet access (you poor people who thought you'd got rid of me for a week!).

First the first time ever (encouraged by my better half) some modelling projects came with us so I wouldn't be too bored in the mornings while I'm waiting for someone else to wake up!

The new portable bench is a modified tray for Dunelm Mill. I've simply removed part of the front using a jigsaw and placed an A4 cutting mat in it.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-210817083601.jpeg)

Obviously I'm limited to what can be taken with me so etched kits are out. However I've made up an old Parkwood van kit and a Chivers LNER horsebox. The horsebox should have some white metal buffers but I managed to brake one while trying to straighten it out. I'm sure I've got something suitable to replace them with but that'll have to wait until I get home next week.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-210817083925.jpeg)
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: maridunian on August 22, 2017, 08:29:41 pm
The new portable bench is a modified tray for Dunelm Mill. I've simply removed part of the front using a jigsaw and placed an A4 cutting mat in it.

Great idea. We're packing up to move house, and I now wish I'd thought of an interim modelling facility before everything was boxed!

Mike
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on August 25, 2017, 07:36:55 am
Great idea. We're packing up to move house, and I now wish I'd thought of an interim modelling facility before everything was boxed!


Thanks Mike

I've been meaning to do this for some time and it was only the fact that my girlfriend said that she didn't mind me taking some projects with me while on holiday that finally saw me do this.

I was little worried that the remaining sides of the tray would make access difficult but this hasn't been the case at all.

I have to say that it has proven very convenient and easy to pack up at the end of a session. I think that I'll be scrapping the big A3 cutting mat at home (which is life expired now anyway) and use this set up for all modelling from now on. I have a second tray to which I'll do the same modifications to to make a soldering station.

Being a bit of a tool collector and hoarder, it has been great to be building some kits using only the most basic of tool kits again. While I'm not likely to get rid of any tools, I think that I need to find some permanent storage for most of them so they're not cluttering up the work area all the time!

I got a Parkside loco coal wagon kit build and made a start of the second Chivers horsebox.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-250817072534.jpeg)

The same collection to kits I built while in Yorkshire. The second horsebox still needs it's roof ventilators and all the vans need their roofs securing once painted but I'm quite happy with the progress made - more importantly, so is my girlfriend!!!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-250817072805.jpeg)

D'oh, I've just noticed that I've fitted the under frame the wrong way round on the first horsebox!  :-[ Hopefully I'll be able to do something about that later!!!

Hopefully there will be a few goodies from the 2mm association waiting for me when I get back to sunny Hertfordshire tonight - including some plastic bodies for the very common LNER six plank wagon (over 20,000 fitted and unfitted examples built) - why did Farish produce the 1940s steel version instead???
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: paulprice on August 25, 2017, 10:46:26 am
Steve

The kits look great, how do you do it, you manage to fit in a holiday and some modelling too, you are a N gauge guru
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on August 25, 2017, 09:43:12 pm
The kits look great, how do you do it, you manage to fit in a holiday and some modelling too, you are a N gauge guru


Thanks Paul. I'm not sure I'm a guru. However as a early riser, it kept me occupied while I was waiting for the better half to wake up!!!

I think those kits represent around five or six hours worth of modelling time over seven days so not a huge amount of the holiday was dedicated to them.

We did manage to squeeze in seeing this at York last Sunday...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-250817213245.jpeg)

It's at Didcot over this bank holiday weekend and the better half has said that we can go and see it again!  :claphappy:

Having gotten home, at 6:30 having been on the go since 9:30  :o , I found this little lot waiting for me...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-250817212648.jpeg)

This is what I was hoping to take with me to get on with. These are a mix of 2mm Association and Peco plastic kits. There are several PO wagons both of the Peco and 2mm variety as well as some LNER six and eight plank wagons and two Peco plate wagons. The plate wagons are very close to the type that the LNER built in the 30's but the chassis is nothing like the type they actually rode on! Not in picture are some etched wagon chassis for the plates and some correct LNER fitted types to upgrade some old Farish vans I've picked up over the years at modest prices. I've also got some Peco 9' wheelbase chassis left which will be suitable for the POs and unfitted LNER six plank wagons (some 20k + of which were were built).

I'm looking forward to squeezing these in around other projects but I've also got a few things for other people to clear as well.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on August 25, 2017, 10:48:47 pm
First of the LNER six planks has been thrown together. About fourth minutes work here most of which was deciding how to adapt the Peco chassis kit to fit. It's a bit of a squeeze in the width but I think I've got away with it. This one represents an early unfitted wagon on a wooden chassis. I've got some 9' steel sole bar chassis which will also be used to represent some later build unfitted wagons. The fitted ones used a different under frame which I think will have to be sourced by a 2mm etched chassis kit...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-250817224444.jpeg)
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on August 26, 2017, 09:16:15 am
This morning's efforts with a couple of PO wagons.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-260817090304.jpeg)

The front one is the Peco 9' wheelbase PO wagon kit while the back one is the 2mm Association's version. Both are mounted on Peco 9' wooden sole at chassis which is, unsurprisingly, a fraction too long for the 2mm scale wagon. Both will form part of a loaded coal train so I'm not bothered by the lack of internal detail on the 2mm scale body.

The Peco kit is slightly easier to assemble, having chamfered corners and/or locating points but at £6.95 is more expensive than buying the 2mm kit (£1.50) and Peco chassis (c. £4). Either way these are cheaper than buying the current Farish offerings at RRP!

I've got another Peco and five 2mm POs to build (and a couple of eight planks POs) and the slight differences between the two will be satisfying to see when the are complete and running in a rake.

You may have noticed that none of these wagons have couplings at present. I was very impressed with the use of DG couplings on the Horsted Keynes layout at the Great Central event a couple of months back and am lending towards using these.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on August 27, 2017, 10:22:58 am
A couple of morning's work before the better half woke up...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-270817101634.jpeg)

So much for fitting these in around other bits over the next few weeks...  :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:

Most of them still need chassis, the Peco plate wagons are just for show at the moment and the horsebox has had its chassis removed and reattached the right way around!

I've still got two to build, however they both have an incorrect part (some of the parts had been separated from the spur at the shop and then been packaged into kits).
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on August 29, 2017, 10:23:39 am
A bit of pottering for an hour or so at a time produced this over the last three days...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-290817102201.jpeg)

A 2mm Scale Association replacement chassis for the Peco offering to get something that resembles and LNER plate wagon.

Also, while I've not touched this for a few weeks, it has not been shown here before.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-290817102315.jpeg)

The second of my GNR brake vans which is being turned into a representation of a six wheel brake using 2mm Association 'W' irons and a spare sole bar etch. I say representation as, while the overall dimensions are about right, all the prototype pictures I've seen show the six wheel vans with horizontal planking not vertical. Still, I think it'll look the part once finished and provide something a little different from the four wheel one I've already built.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Dr Al on August 29, 2017, 10:27:42 am
A 2mm Scale Association replacement chassis for the Peco offering to get something that resembles and LNER plate wagon.

Interesting - I've got one of these unfinished - albeit with the Peco chassis modified to backdate it.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on August 29, 2017, 10:43:05 am
Interesting - I've got one of these unfinished - albeit with the Peco chassis modified to backdate it.

Cheers,
Alan

The etched chassis was a bit of a faff to be honest but only because of all the brackets along the solebar. These are fold out pieces but have to be at a perfect right angle to be able to fit the overlays - which took forever on this one! Personally I think it was worth the effort and have another one to build.

Now if I could only get my hands on the NGS kit for the LMS bogie trestle wagon as it looks virtually identical to a photograph of the LNER version I've found - the caption even makes reference to the similarities.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on August 29, 2017, 04:58:21 pm
A couple of hours between other things saw this assembled.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-290817165415.jpeg)

A comparison between a new Farish van (left) the old one with original chassis (right) and the old body with etched chassis (centre).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-290817165500.jpeg)

Obviously things like buffers are still to be added but I hope you'll agree that the new chassis is a big improvement on the old style one. I'm toying with the idea of ditching the roof, making some amendments to the body's end profile and fitting an etched roof...
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Hailstone on August 29, 2017, 07:24:22 pm
Great work Steve, I am still making baby steps in the etched brass world

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on August 29, 2017, 11:03:52 pm
Great work Steve, I am still making baby steps in the etched brass world

Regards,

Alex

Thanks Alex.

I would rate myself as being only a little above a novice myself. I started with the 2mm Association starter pack which gives you a length of track and a wagon kit to practice on. My one when together ok but I needed to learn how to solder properly and other things like why a good liquid flux and solder paste is important. I've not progressed onto things like boilers or parts with multiple curves yet but it really doesn't take long to progress onto a wagon body or chassis - especially if the kit is well designed.

The results do take longer than a plastic kit but I do like the results. Have a go, like most things, it isn't as difficult as it looks. One tip though, get a cheap set of tapered broaches as you'll need to open out the holes for the bearings and a round file just won't do it.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on September 03, 2017, 12:34:25 pm
Hi all,

Just a quick update about the growing collection of etched chassis on my bench. The total is now four and I've gone a little further on the 10' wheelbase versions by adding the brake pull rods underneath the chassis. You probably can't see them but they're not too difficult to do and really strengthen up the brake blocks so they'll pretty much withstand any knocks.

I've also chemically blackened them using Carr's blackener for nickel silver (which also works on brass!).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-030917123106.jpeg)

I really should add some footsteps to the horse box chassis....
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on September 10, 2017, 12:42:04 pm
I managed to finally find a cheap Lima GWR (yes GWR!) horsebox at TINGS yesterday!  :claphappy:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/213-100917123106.jpeg)

It doesn't look like much but I plan to have a go at updating/upgrading it much along the lines as per the link below:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/416/entry-12621-time-travelling-equine-transport-back-dating-and-detailing-the-n-gauge-lima-horsebox-part-4/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/416/entry-12621-time-travelling-equine-transport-back-dating-and-detailing-the-n-gauge-lima-horsebox-part-4/)

It'll end up being part of a rake along with the LNER examples I'm building which incidentally look like this at the moment:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/213-100917123206.jpeg)

The second Chivers kit still needs it's roof ventilators attaching before playing catch up with these two. You may notice that the old Farish GNR box (the smaller of the two) has it's chassis painted the same colour as the body. This was standard practice for the LNER when dealing with vehicles with wooden solebars - the metalwork will eventually be picked out in black though. It should have a set of footsteps but I've bugged out from this at the moment, although I'll probably end up adding them at some point!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: snitchthebudgie on September 10, 2017, 01:48:04 pm
Hi Steve,

Interested to see you using 2mm Association chassis and their 12.25mm axles.  They certainly give a much 'finer' appearance to the chassis.  What wheels do you use on them, to get standard 'N' standards?

Cheers, Jon
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on September 10, 2017, 02:39:07 pm
Interested to see you using 2mm Association chassis and their 12.25mm axles.  They certainly give a much 'finer' appearance to the chassis.  What wheels do you use on them, to get standard 'N' standards?

Hi Jon,

I use standard Farish wheelsets with the 2mm conversion axles, to be honest I think that they're the only ones that will fit. Popping them off the Farish axles and fitting them to the 2mm ones is fairly simple - I use a pair of flat bladed pliers, loosely gripping the axle behind the wheel and pushing downwards to support the insulating bush (I hope that makes sense). You do occasionally get a wheel that just won't run true though but that is always a manufacturing fault in the wheel and I now test them before removing from the Farish axle...

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: snitchthebudgie on September 10, 2017, 04:53:27 pm
Chris,

Thanks for this.  I have been wondering about upgrading some of my underframes, and this is a possible way forward.  I am regularly tempted by 2mm finescale, but it might be a step too far.  Improved detail, plus some finer track (perhaps even 'N2' standards to give better running) might well be a suitable compromise.

Jon
Title: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on December 06, 2017, 02:43:43 pm
It has been a little while since I last posted on here as I've been a bit down again recently. I'm slowly picking myself up again but very frustrated and annoyed as I thought I was over this kind of thing now...

Anyway, unsurprisingly, not much modelling has done but I did have a look at the NGS Shop's clearance items and picked up the following 16 Ultima Gresley conversion sides for £16.40 plus £4 p&p!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/213-061217143731.jpeg)

It might be awhile before I get to do anything with them as I've got a couple of commissions to sort out as well as the final touches to do to the platform shelter kit and a couple of CAD files for upload to Shapeways. Then again, they might make an interesting diversion by way of breaking things up occasionally so never say never!

I was really after some catering vehicles (other than the Buffet Car) and some more Full Brakes but they didn't have any! For the price, I'm really not going to complain!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: R Marshall on December 06, 2017, 09:28:50 pm
Steve,

They look like a challenge (or they would be for me)!

There's a strand I follow on another website that deals with coaches, if you need any link, just shout.

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on December 06, 2017, 10:46:36 pm
Steve,

They look like a challenge (or they would be for me)!

There's a strand I follow on another website that deals with coaches, if you need any link, just shout.

Thanks Roy,

If I'm thinking about the same thread it is mainly concerned with GWR stock and you've valiantly held the LNER flag for use like minded modellers.  :)

I've used these before to convert a Dapol coach into a full brake. I've got a couple of scrap Dapol Gresleys to play with but not sixteen! I think an alternative method of building these will be required...
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: R Marshall on December 07, 2017, 04:54:40 pm
Steve,

Aye, that's the one! Not that valiantly, though, only two Thompson Non-vestibule carriages and I haven't finished the sides on the second - I want to get the tumblehome right.

In fairness I've been busy tracklaying and I've a new Union Mills small tender I'm trying to finish for my D20.

Here's a little shot of the Thompson CL, however, on the layout.

Regards,

Roy


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/4279-071217165255.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59009)
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: CarriageShed on December 07, 2017, 05:46:02 pm
As a bit of a coach hacker and revamper I'll be interested to see how you get on with these, even if they aren't the 'proper' coaches of the SR ;)
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on December 07, 2017, 07:40:24 pm
Aye, that's the one! Not that valiantly, though, only two Thompson Non-vestibule carriages and I haven't finished the sides on the second - I want to get the tumblehome right.

In fairness I've been busy tracklaying and I've a new Union Mills small tender I'm trying to finish for my D20.

Here's a little shot of the Thompson CL, however, on the layout.

Thought so, and daring to show an LNER coach in a GWR coach thread is both valiant and brave! Tumblehomes are difficult to get right in N gauge, I'm just glad than the half etches on the Gresley conversion sides work out as around 0.1mm thick so easily formed by the underlying coach side!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on December 07, 2017, 07:43:21 pm
As a bit of a coach hacker and revamper I'll be interested to see how you get on with these, even if they aren't the 'proper' coaches of the SR ;)

They're reasonably straightforward to be honest. The most difficult bit is soldering the two halves of the coach side together - not something you'll have to worry about for Southern stock!

If you're happy painting the sides separately then, rather than having to rub down the donor sides and cut out the window areas, you can simply cut out the whole side and insert a BHE clear coach window/side and Evostik the side to that.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: martyn on December 07, 2017, 07:47:48 pm
I looked for a Thomson SK in vain-one of my Ultima kits shed a side and needs replacing.

If one is brave enough to use an original Minitrix donor for the LNER vehicles, it is possible to scratch build/kitbash LNER Gresley suburbans from the cut out sides of two Minitrix vehicles-I did it many years ago. I don't know if the trick will work with Dapol donor vehicles for the Ultima sides.

martyn
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: DavidK71 on December 08, 2017, 08:58:16 am
Aye, that's the one! Not that valiantly, though, only two Thompson Non-vestibule carriages and I haven't finished the sides on the second - I want to get the tumblehome right.
It's always good to see people making coaches, whatever company made the prototype! I really do need to stop making elaborate plans for coaches and actually build a few more so that I have something to add to that thread ...
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on December 08, 2017, 09:21:31 am
I looked for a Thomson SK in vain-one of my Ultima kits shed a side and needs replacing.

If one is brave enough to use an original Minitrix donor for the LNER vehicles, it is possible to scratch build/kitbash LNER Gresley suburbans from the cut out sides of two Minitrix vehicles-I did it many years ago. I don't know if the trick will work with Dapol donor vehicles for the Ultima sides.

Hi Martyn,

I remember those suburban conversions; there is a picture on here somewhere isn't there? Hopefully Mr Pixels' house renovations are going well and he'll be back in business sometime in the new year.  :)

It's always good to see people making coaches, whatever company made the prototype! I really do need to stop making elaborate plans for coaches and actually build a few more so that I have something to add to that thread ...

Hi David,

Yes, you really do need to build a few more!  :smiley-laughing:

Inspiring stuff and very well done!  8)
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: martyn on December 08, 2017, 09:34:45 am
Hello Steve;

Yes, there are some photos on the forum, but I'll have to try and find them.........I did write the construction up for the Journal, but that was many years ago. They might appear in some of the photos of James St.

I used two Minitrix sides, plasticard ends, Ultima (or was it BH Enterprise?) floors and roofs, and various Ultima/Etched pixels fittings (battery box, dynamos, etc). Bogies might be a problem, as I used MTK/Fleetline ones, but I'm sure that Dapol spares from their Gresley corridors will fit-I think I have retrofitted some of my kit bashing efforts with them; or else the Society ones (even though they are not quite right).

HTH

Martyn
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: DavidK71 on December 08, 2017, 09:46:16 am
Bogies might be a problem, as I used MTK/Fleeline ones, but I'm sure that Dapol spares from their Gresley corridors will fit-I think I have retrofitted some of my kit bashing efforts with them; or else the Society ones (even though they are not quite right).
For anyone who's a member of the 2mm Association, their bogie etches are well worth a look: they do a lot of different sorts, they're accurate, they run really well, and the N gauge profile wheels on their axles are back in stock. The only catches are the effort of building them (but you can avoid soldering - I do) and you then need to attach your own coupling mechanism.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on December 08, 2017, 10:00:22 am
My own take on the Gresley 51' suburban coach body (apologies for the poor picture):

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-081217095419.jpeg)

It unfortunately never progressed beyond this test print and really feel I should redesign it from the ground up...

A 2mm Association Gresley 8' bogie (with their N gauge coach wheels) which will eventually end up under my Dapol/Ultima Full Brake that I did several years ago.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-081217095534.jpeg)

I really should get on with building the other one of these!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: martyn on December 08, 2017, 10:18:26 am
My own take on the Gresley 51' suburban coach body (apologies for the poor picture):

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-081217095419.jpeg[/url])

It unfortunately never progressed beyond this test print and really feel I should redesign it from the ground up...

A 2mm Association Gresley 8' bogie (with their N gauge coach wheels) which will eventually end up under my Dapol/Ultima Full Brake that I did several years ago.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-081217095534.jpeg[/url])

I really should get on with building the other one of these!


If the price is right, I would probably be interested in a couple of these........I have made Etched Pixels version, but, as you now have to do with your newly acquired Ultima sides, I really don't like soldering the two halves of the sides together lengthways. I have renovated a couple of Westwater+Kirk kits, and apart from being slightly small (2mm not N gauge?) they scrubbed up quite well, again adding some Etched Pixels underframe bits.

Martyn
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: DavidK71 on December 08, 2017, 10:34:54 am
My own take on the Gresley 51' suburban coach body (apologies for the poor picture):
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-081217095419.jpeg[/url])

That looks nice. Is that FUD? Hopefully FXD would be even better if rather pricey.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on December 08, 2017, 10:48:46 am
Thanks Martyn and David,

The coach body is printed in a material called Grey Resin by iMaterialize and, other than a spray of primer, is as it was received many years ago. Unfortunately, I think to sell these directly as 3D prints (in any decent material) would be rather pricey as both companies charge by the amount of material used (that's over simplified as there are other factors to consider) so, if they ever appear, they'll have to be cast. As I said I want to do a complete redesign of these but I've got plenty of other things that have to take priority in the queue at the moment...

Given that both FUD and FXD really need some post finishing work to get the best out of them, I'm not sure if FXD is worth the extra. The loco bodies that I ordered yesterday, over on my other thread, are a mixture of the two so I can directly compare. FXD is the same as FUD but printed in 16 micron layers as opposed to c. 30 micron - the actual resolution of the print head is the same for both. My own B9Creator prints are usually printed at between 30 and 50 microns and the coach body was, I think, printed at 100 microns! Layer thickness isn't always everything but that is very much dependent on the machine, 3D printing process and material used.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: martyn on December 08, 2017, 03:17:11 pm
On your other thread, I may be interested in the V1 if I can get a reasonably priced N chassis.

Martyn
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on December 08, 2017, 06:47:45 pm
On your other thread, I may be interested in the V1 if I can get a reasonably priced N chassis.

It will eventually go up on the Shapeways shop Martyn but I've got to do some test building first!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on December 08, 2017, 06:51:01 pm
I've finally found a bit of time (and inclination) to sit down and get working on a project I've been wanting to do for ages...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-081217184819.jpeg)

This is the body tub for an LNER 12' wheelbase Fish Van. I've still got the sole bars to detail yet but I need to work out final clearances for some etched 'W' irons and associated bearings, wheels etc...
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Atso on December 10, 2017, 06:46:42 pm
Another day, another fish van...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-101217184358.jpeg)

This one is a Dia 23 fish van and represents the first 'standard' fish van that the LNER produced. Over 1,300 of these were built between 1923 and 1931 and many survived into Nationalisation but downrated to general goods vehicles.

As with the Dia 134 12' wheelbase van, I've still got to detail the solebars.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on December 11, 2017, 04:26:29 pm
Ok, another ten and a half hours at the computer sees this one designed...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-111217162350.jpeg)

But what is it? I'll give you a hint.

It's not a wagon built by the LNER or its constituents...
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on December 11, 2017, 06:45:52 pm
Having moved the printer down from the shed into the garage, it finally got set up again today.

A warts and all (and poor quality, sorry) picture of the initial print of the Dia 23 fish van. I need to do some tweaking to the support structure and orientation of the print as I think I can do better than this initial test print.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-111217184207.jpeg)

The upper section where the roof will go looks ragged as I just pulled the supports off the model and didn't bother to carefully trim them (it was only a test print after all!).
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on December 11, 2017, 08:08:01 pm
I just find all this 3D printing malarkey absolutely amazing :goggleeyes:

Is it de rigeur to have solebars on fish wagons or could they be codbars? ;)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: DCCDave on December 11, 2017, 08:10:57 pm
I just find all this 3D printing malarkey absolutely amazing :goggleeyes:

Is it de rigeur to have solebars on fish wagons or could they be codbars? ;)

Solebars or codbars didn't matter. So long as they were all the same shunters could but a hake of them together.

Remember you started this :)

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on December 11, 2017, 08:12:43 pm
I do seem to create haddock wherever I go.
If Steve wants me to delete anything I'm sure he'll let me know
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: DCCDave on December 11, 2017, 08:14:13 pm
I do seem to create haddock wherever I go.
If Steve wants me to delete anything I'm sure he'll let me know

I eely hope he doesn't mind
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on December 11, 2017, 08:34:35 pm
Oh dear, what have you started Mick? There is a time and a plaice for such antics!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: DCCDave on December 11, 2017, 08:48:24 pm
Oh dear, what have you started Mick? There is a time and a plaice for such antics!

Sorry Steve,

You started a perfectly sensible thread, then a couple of jokers pollocked it up.

Dave
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: port perran on December 11, 2017, 08:51:39 pm
This os all starting to get a bit bass.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Mr Sprue on December 11, 2017, 09:10:10 pm
This thread seems to be getting a bit too fishy for my liking..... I think I'll Skate off and read another!!  ::)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on January 14, 2018, 05:39:00 pm
I've been a bit quiet recently but things have still been happening. I've now got a proper work area for CAD and modelling and have been moving things about and out of storage over the Christmas period.

I received four Peco 9' wheelbase PO wagons for Christmas along with some other bits and pieces which I've been meaning to build ever since. Yesterday, I went over to the Stevenage exhibition and found that the NGS had found some old mouldings for the MR outside frame van kit. Three of these were quickly snapped up by me as I've been looking for some for ages!

Anyway, the excitement of finding the MR kits got me into building mode for a few hours this afternoon the result of which is below:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/213-140118173337.jpeg)

Once I've got a spraying area set up, I'll give them a coat or two of paint.

Oh, that's a piece of Finetrax in the picture (the other half of my Christmas present!).  :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on January 14, 2018, 09:47:33 pm
that's not fair I did not get anything for Christmas   :'(
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: RailGooner on January 14, 2018, 09:55:17 pm
 :no: Were you a naughty boy last year Paul? :D
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on January 14, 2018, 10:10:31 pm
:no: Were you a naughty boy last year Paul? :D

No I was positively angelic, its just everyone being mean to me  :'(
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on January 15, 2018, 05:16:40 am
No I was positively angelic

 :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on January 18, 2018, 12:49:15 pm
Back to some CAD work and something a little bit different...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/213-180118124531.jpeg)

An articulated twin converted by the GNR from six wheel corridor coaches. Apparently this was the first such conversion the GNR undertook (which was continued by the LNER). All were withdrawn by the end of March 1947.

Now all I have to do is design the underframes, internal detail and figure out if I can make a floating articulation system using cams!!!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on January 25, 2018, 01:03:45 pm
The GNR twin set is on hold for the moment while I decide on the best route for designing a close coupled articulation unit. Therefore, I've turned my attention to another GNR vehicle...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-250118130329.jpeg)

I've still got a bit to do on the roof but it is coming along. Due to its narrow nature, clearances are very tight for the wheels. I think I'm going to make the centre wheels a dummy set that ride just above the rails, it'll be interesting to see how easily I can fit N gauge coach wheels to the outer ends of the physical model...
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: thebrighton on January 25, 2018, 01:22:14 pm
Would the 2mmSA 12.25mm 'N' wheel sets (2-028) make it less of a squeeze?
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: nabber on January 25, 2018, 01:25:13 pm
Is it the wheels or the axle length that causes problems? EP has some wheels on 13mm axles - would that help?

http://www.ultima-models.co.uk/catalogue/wheels.html (http://www.ultima-models.co.uk/catalogue/wheels.html)

Regards,
Neil
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on January 25, 2018, 01:36:23 pm
Would the 2mmSA 12.25mm 'N' wheel sets (2-028) make it less of a squeeze?


Is it the wheels or the axle length that causes problems? EP has some wheels on 13mm axles - would that help?

[url]http://www.ultima-models.co.uk/catalogue/wheels.html[/url] ([url]http://www.ultima-models.co.uk/catalogue/wheels.html[/url])


Thanks guys,

The issue is that between the W irons is only 12mm while most N gauge wheelsets are around 11.5mm between the outer faces of the wheels. Hopefully there is enough give in the material to allow standard 15.2mm axles to fit, we'll see.

While, I do really like the 2mm N gauge wheelsets, I'm not sure that they'll allow me to bulk buy them (and I don't think I could afford to) as I'd like to kit this one as they seem to have lasted an awfully long time. :)

Speaking of Ultima, is Alan trading again yet?
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Shiney Sheff on January 25, 2018, 05:13:20 pm
I was in contact with Alan on the 2nd Jan this year regarding the under frame etch for the Wickham rail bus and said he hoped be open for business at the end of the month,

Hopefully everything is going to plan for him.

Bob
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on January 26, 2018, 01:28:41 pm
I was in contact with Alan on the 2nd Jan this year regarding the under frame etch for the Wickham rail bus and said he hoped be open for business at the end of the month,

Hopefully everything is going to plan for him.

Bob


Thanks Bob, I hope so too!

The 12 foot wheelbase Fish Van gained a chassis this morning - it was a much simpler affair than the GNR Full Brake!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-260118132607.jpeg)

Still a couple of bits to do but these will probably be etched details.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on January 30, 2018, 02:04:36 pm
The CAD for the 9' Wheelbase Midland Railway van has now been completed and is ready for test printing.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-300118135027.jpeg)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on January 30, 2018, 08:52:03 pm
The CAD for the 9' Wheelbase Midland Railway van has now been completed and is ready for test printing.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-300118135027.jpeg[/url])


me want me want
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Shiney Sheff on January 30, 2018, 09:15:14 pm
Yes please  :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on January 31, 2018, 10:57:24 am
me want me want

Go and have a beer to calm yourself Mr Price!  :smiley-laughing:

Yes please  :)

Thank you for the interest (both of you!). I've found a couple of silly mistakes in the CAD for the chassis that'll need to be corrected before printing - then I have the fun of correcting any other silly mistakes that I've not noticed!  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on January 31, 2018, 01:26:06 pm
The errors on the Midland van have been altered and the chassis for this finished:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-310118132451.jpeg)

All the vans have now been sent off for test printing...
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on January 31, 2018, 09:30:55 pm
Im not allowed beer  :'(
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on February 01, 2018, 11:29:22 am
Im not allowed beer  :'(

Now that IS a crying shame!  :( :( I almost feel sorry enough to buy you one at Warley this year.... Almost!!!!  >:D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: CarriageShed on February 01, 2018, 01:09:56 pm
Now the Midland van is something that I could also run in Somerset/Dorset in 1930, so I'd be interested too.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on February 01, 2018, 07:19:58 pm
Im not allowed beer  :'(

Now that IS a crying shame!  :( :( I almost feel sorry enough to buy you one at Warley this year.... Almost!!!!  >:D >:D >:D >:D

How mean are you
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Shiney Sheff on February 01, 2018, 09:24:32 pm
 
The errors on the Midland van have been altered and the chassis for this finished:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-310118132451.jpeg[/url])

All the vans have now been sent off for test printing...


Do you have an ETA when they will be ready to purchase.?

Bob
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: EtchedPixels on February 01, 2018, 10:44:05 pm
The GNR twin set is on hold for the moment while I decide on the best route for designing a close coupled articulation unit. Therefore, I've turned my attention to another GNR vehicle...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-250118130329.jpeg[/url])

I've still got a bit to do on the roof but it is coming along. Due to its narrow nature, clearances are very tight for the wheels. I think I'm going to make the centre wheels a dummy set that ride just above the rails, it'll be interesting to see how easily I can fit N gauge coach wheels to the outer ends of the physical model...


That's a welcome vehicle to have back available in N. My experience with six wheelers btw is that N is so slack rigid chassis work fine.

I have 13mm axles, and I can make them available in bulk if you find you need them or want to ship them with kits. I've only got 3'6" wheels at this point because the pricing meant I needed to pick a type and I mostly do coaches.

Alan
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on February 02, 2018, 11:18:50 am
That's a welcome vehicle to have back available in N. My experience with six wheelers btw is that N is so slack rigid chassis work fine.

I have 13mm axles, and I can make them available in bulk if you find you need them or want to ship them with kits. I've only got 3'6" wheels at this point because the pricing meant I needed to pick a type and I mostly do coaches.

Alan, has there been a kit for the GNR full brake before then? I did look about but couldn't find one.

The chassis is being test printed by Shapeways at the moment and then I'll be doing some tests and evaluations on it. I might well take you up on your offer to supply 13mm axles though!  :D

Looking forward to being able to order an LNER TPO from you soon!  :D :D

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on February 02, 2018, 11:20:25 am
Do you have an ETA when they will be ready to purchase.?

Hi Bob,

Not at present. The next thing to do is test and evaluate the prints before either going through some redesigns or making moulds for casting. I could give an estimate but I've found that I'm usually miles off on those!  :(
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on February 02, 2018, 11:22:04 am
How mean are you

Not very...  :smiley-laughing:

Off topic but I found your RM article on Foster Street yesterday while trying to find some drawings in my magazine collection. It was a fun diversion to reread it again!  :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: EtchedPixels on February 02, 2018, 07:37:02 pm
That's a welcome vehicle to have back available in N. My experience with six wheelers btw is that N is so slack rigid chassis work fine.

I have 13mm axles, and I can make them available in bulk if you find you need them or want to ship them with kits. I've only got 3'6" wheels at this point because the pricing meant I needed to pick a type and I mostly do coaches.

Alan, has there been a kit for the GNR full brake before then? I did look about but couldn't find one.

I thought Bill Bedford did the etches for one - or maybe I've got the wrong vehicle in mind ?

Alan
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Hailstone on February 02, 2018, 07:39:50 pm
As far as I know, Bill has stopped doing N gauge stuff

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on February 02, 2018, 08:41:49 pm
How mean are you

Not very...  :smiley-laughing:

Off topic but I found your RM article on Foster Street yesterday while trying to find some drawings in my magazine collection. It was a fun diversion to reread it again!  :)

I deny all responsibility for it
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on February 04, 2018, 08:28:33 am
I deny all responsibility for it

Then I shall give you no credit for a great article!  :P :P

So if you deny responsibility, who wrote it?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on February 04, 2018, 08:31:53 am
I thought Bill Bedford did the etches for one - or maybe I've got the wrong vehicle in mind ?

My understanding is the same as Hailstone's and Bill has stopped doing his scratch aid etches. This is a real shame as I was going to get some if these this year - the GNR milk brake was high on the list!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on February 04, 2018, 01:45:04 pm
Bill Bedford etches. Yes I get the impression he has stopped doing N gauge.

A pity. As I have said before I feel with rtr prices increasing as they are more will be tempted/pushed to try their hand and actually building things.  This is an area in which the NGS could capitalise with their range of wagon kits.

Just a few days back I looked at the current cost of a Farish Toad brake van...I had to look twice to ensure I didn't need a trip to Specsavers!

Indeed that is my impression as well. Most of his current offerings are in 4-7mm, either as 3D prints or resin casts from (I think) 3D printed masters.

RTR prices are increasing at an alarming rate. That said, look at the cost of a continental locomotive and you'll see that generally British N is still cheaper by quite a way! I'd agree that it would be nice for the NGS to focus more on kit production but there is obviously a benefit to their decision to commission more RTR items (shame none so far released/planned fit into my own modelling interests or can be adapted to fit).

Your experience with the Farish Toad is my main reason for buying older models cheaply and upgrading them with 2mm Association etched chassis. While time consuming, I can usually come up with a good model at around two thirds of the cost of buying a new RTR - although that doesn't stop me from buying the occasional wagon or two!  ;)

However, will this lead to a situation where prices have to go up again to offset losses in sales and therefore make the market unviable? I don't think we're anywhere near that point yet (if we ever get there) but some food for thought.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on February 04, 2018, 06:41:02 pm
I deny all responsibility for it

Then I shall give you no credit for a great article!  :P :P

So if you deny responsibility, who wrote it?  :hmmm:

It was not me I cant write  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on February 07, 2018, 08:10:20 pm
I've spent a few days catching up a little with my massive backlog of kit built wagons.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-070218200958.jpeg)

From left to right are:

Two bogie brick wagons from my own CAD and printed by Shapeways - assembling the 'Return to Fletton' out of separate letters was 'fun' and thank goodness I found a picture of a second wagon without this!

GCR fish van from a BH Enterprises etched kit

LNER 'standard' fruit van - again BE Enterprises etched kit

1930's LNER ventilated van - a very old Farish body married to a 2mm Association etched chassis and N gauge wheels (using adaptor axles)

LNER plate wagon - Peco body with 2mm Association (formally Masterclass Models) etched chassis and N gauge wheels.



The plate wagon is slightly out of period as I've numbered it from a photograph without reading the caption (built 1943)! Still, the design commenced in the 1930's so I can live with this error.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Jollybob on February 08, 2018, 05:59:03 am
Looking really good. What kind of vents are those on your LNER standard fruit van?

Rob.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on February 08, 2018, 11:37:26 am
Looking really good. What kind of vents are those on your LNER standard fruit van?

Rob.

Hi Rob,

They're torpedo vents that I printed off.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Jerry Howlett on February 08, 2018, 03:36:00 pm
You do such great work, but I just can not get my head around the bogie brick wagons, not just yours but the similar bogie wagons produced back in the day by Farish.  Growing up (if I have) on the SR and then the WR I never saw anything like them in real life so I have a mental block on them.

Look so foreign to me.   :confused1: :confused1:

Jerry
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on February 12, 2018, 09:45:55 am
You do such great work, but I just can not get my head around the bogie brick wagons, not just yours but the similar bogie wagons produced back in the day by Farish.  Growing up (if I have) on the SR and then the WR I never saw anything like them in real life so I have a mental block on them.

Look so foreign to me.   :confused1: :confused1:

Jerry

Thanks Jerry (I think...). The bogie wagons do look a little strange don't they. I've gotten used to seeing the bogie bricks in isolation now but couple to the front of a coal train (prototypically due to the additional braking power these provided) they look very odd due to their size compared to the PO wagons! The old Farish wagon is a quite reasonable representation of an LNER Sulphate wagon which looks even better once lowered to a more prototypical height - I've got four of those now.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on February 12, 2018, 09:52:12 am
I woke up to a surprise today as UPS had delivered my Shapeways prints!  :claphappy: This was a most welcome find as Shapeways predicted that they wouldn't be ready for shipping until Wednesday!

So what have I got?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-120218094225.jpeg)

From left to right: MR 15' long outside frame van (this is truly tiny!), the early LNER Dia 23 fish van and the later LNER dia 134 fish van. As you can see, I've test fitted the wheels (Farish) and everything is free running.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-120218094242.jpeg)

The GNR six wheel full brake. This one isn't quite as successful as the clearances aren't quite their to take the wheelsets. I think that I might be able to play with the clearances to find a better compromise to accept Farish coach wheels. At present, this coach wouldn't even take a 13mm axle as there really isn't enough clearance around the wheels. I thought this might well be the case but thought I'd try my luck anyway - three successes out of four really isn't bad. On the plus side, I'm really impressed with how well the panelling has come out.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: RailGooner on February 12, 2018, 09:57:41 am
The GNR six wheel brake is looking rather lush. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on February 12, 2018, 10:03:25 am
The GNR six wheel brake is looking rather lush. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thank you, I'm quite pleased with it. Of course, I'll be even more pleased when I can fit some wheels to it!!!!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on February 12, 2018, 10:49:15 am
The detail on the GNR brake has really surprised me, and looks awesome, Steve. :o
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on February 12, 2018, 04:19:54 pm
I woke up to a surprise today as UPS had delivered my Shapeways prints!  :claphappy: This was a most welcome find as Shapeways predicted that they wouldn't be ready for shipping until Wednesday!

So what have I got?

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-120218094225.jpeg[/url])

From left to right: MR 15' long outside frame van (this is truly tiny!), the early LNER Dia 23 fish van and the later LNER dia 134 fish van. As you can see, I've test fitted the wheels (Farish) and everything is free running.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-120218094242.jpeg[/url])

The GNR six wheel full brake. This one isn't quite as successful as the clearances aren't quite their to take the wheelsets. I think that I might be able to play with the clearances to find a better compromise to accept Farish coach wheels. At present, this coach wouldn't even take a 13mm axle as there really isn't enough clearance around the wheels. I thought this might well be the case but thought I'd try my luck anyway - three successes out of four really isn't bad. On the plus side, I'm really impressed with how well the panelling has come out.


The 6 wheel brake is stunning, it looks nearly as good as the far superior MR panelled version, and the goods stock looks good too.

Keep us all updated on a production date, I'm sure you will have a queue of customers :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: w greatbatch on February 12, 2018, 04:51:26 pm
Lovely looking coach, how long did they last in service ?
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on February 12, 2018, 05:33:11 pm
Thank you guys!  :D

All of these prints will still need some rubbing down to get them totally smooth but the quality of Shapeways' FXD material seems to have really improved over the last couple of years.

Lovely looking coach, how long did they last in service ?

The old GNR six wheelers seemed to last forever! While most seem to have been withdrawn from revenue earning service either before or just after WW2, quite a few were pressed into departmental service and lasted for many years after - I think this is the reason why there are several still about.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on February 12, 2018, 08:28:05 pm
Might be heresy but it would make a good grounded coach body too :hmmm:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Mike J on March 03, 2018, 01:50:03 pm
Excellent BRM magazine article on your 3D printing, Steve. I think that your explanation of the processes involved and the differences in printers and materials is a credit to you and a great help to us 'old fashioned' scratch builders. Nice shots of your D49 and K3. Thanks also for the North of England Line credit.
Mike.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Roy L S on March 03, 2018, 06:06:47 pm
Agreed, a great article, in fact the whole mag was a pretty well balanced read.

Good to see Steve's work and talent getting the exposure it most certainly deserves and I'm looking forward to his next instalment!

Roy
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on March 05, 2018, 11:04:43 am
Excellent BRM magazine article on your 3D printing, Steve. I think that your explanation of the processes involved and the differences in printers and materials is a credit to you and a great help to us 'old fashioned' scratch builders. Nice shots of your D49 and K3. Thanks also for the North of England Line credit.

Thank you Mike both for your kind comments and allowing me to run my locomotives on NoEL whenever our paths cross. I wasn't expecting the picture of the K3 to feature in the article as I didn't submit it (I was planning to save that one for the follow up article in a couple of months). However, as Tony Wright took all of the photographs, I can only assume that he provided it to BRM.

Agreed, a great article, in fact the whole mag was a pretty well balanced read.

Good to see Steve's work and talent getting the exposure it most certainly deserves and I'm looking forward to his next instalment!

Thank you Roy, I think that bodgings would be a more appropriate word than talent though!

Having never written an article before, I must confess to being very nervous about how it would be received. Therefore both your comments have been a welcome, and much needed, confidence boost during a bit of a downward phase.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Roy L S on March 05, 2018, 06:50:38 pm
Excellent BRM magazine article on your 3D printing, Steve. I think that your explanation of the processes involved and the differences in printers and materials is a credit to you and a great help to us 'old fashioned' scratch builders. Nice shots of your D49 and K3. Thanks also for the North of England Line credit.

Thank you Mike both for your kind comments and allowing me to run my locomotives on NoEL whenever our paths cross. I wasn't expecting the picture of the K3 to feature in the article as I didn't submit it (I was planning to save that one for the follow up article in a couple of months). However, as Tony Wright took all of the photographs, I can only assume that he provided it to BRM.

Agreed, a great article, in fact the whole mag was a pretty well balanced read.

Good to see Steve's work and talent getting the exposure it most certainly deserves and I'm looking forward to his next instalment!

Thank you Roy, I think that bodgings would be a more appropriate word than talent though!

Having never written an article before, I must confess to being very nervous about how it would be received. Therefore both your comments have been a welcome, and much needed, confidence boost during a bit of a downward phase.

Hi Steve

The praise is well deserved, don't underestimate how good your work is.

The Gresley non-corridor print in the article was a truly exquisite model and I really do hope that when you are ready it makes an appearance on Shapeways!

In case some haven't seen the picture in BRM perhaps you could show a pic or two on here, I suspect it will generate a fair buzz!

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on March 06, 2018, 07:06:18 pm
Hi Steve

The praise is well deserved, don't underestimate how good your work is.

The Gresley non-corridor print in the article was a truly exquisite model and I really do hope that when you are ready it makes an appearance on Shapeways!

In case some haven't seen the picture in BRM perhaps you could show a pic or two on here, I suspect it will generate a fair buzz!

Regards

Roy

Thanks Roy. Unfortunately the photographs taken for this (and the follow up article due in a couple of months) are the property of BRM now so I can't share them here.  :(
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on March 07, 2018, 11:16:06 am
Hi all,

The two fish vans have been rubbed down and primed. These have been delayed as I needed them as demonstration pieces for the photo shoot for the follow up article in BRM.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/213-070318111135.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/213-070318111233.jpeg)

The cruel enlargements show that there are still a couple of little bits to fettle and then I get to learn resin casting techniques!

The Midland van is lagging behind at the moment as it needed to be photographed in its raw state. It has now been washed (drying as I type this) and will be joining these two in due course.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on March 07, 2018, 08:10:16 pm
There's a wealth of detail to be seen on that :goggleeyes:. Great work, Steve
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on March 08, 2018, 01:02:14 pm
There's a wealth of detail to be seen on that :goggleeyes:. Great work, Steve

Thanks Mick, I'll confess to feeling really rather pleased with how these are turning out!  :D
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: RailGooner on March 08, 2018, 03:08:04 pm
..
 I'll confess to feeling really rather pleased with how these are turning out!  :D

Rightly so. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: maridunian on March 08, 2018, 05:24:35 pm
The two fish vans have been rubbed down and primed.

Hi Steve - Could I ask what tools/techniques do you use to rub down so precisely as to not affect rivets, etc?

Thanks

Mike
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on March 08, 2018, 07:11:49 pm
Hi Steve - Could I ask what tools/techniques do you use to rub down so precisely as to not affect rivets, etc?

Hi Mike,

My usual toolkit comprises of primer (either Halfords red or Games Workshop Chaos Black) sanding sticks, no. 10 and 10a scalpel blades, a small modellers chisel (the type that fits into an exacto knife handle), cocktail sticks (surprisingly good as a light abrasive) and a glass fibre pen (used as a last resort and very very carefully!).

I've actually written an article for BRM covering this which I think will be published at the back end of April. However for the moment, the first thing I do is to clean them. This is especially important on FUD/FXD prints as you need to remove the wax residue as otherwise it will rise through the paint over time and make the model look like you've covered it in glitter! IPA or white spirit is good for dissolving the wax but don't be tempted to leave it soaking for too long - I use a cheap ultrasonic bath for around 10 minutes for this. Once done, rinse with water (I give it a light scrub with an old toothbrush and some liquid hand soap) and leave to dry.

The next thing I do is to prime the model so that I can see all the detail and I spend a little while studying where the various features are that I'd like to avoid. After than its a case of working around the model with sanding sticks and using one of the other tools to get into areas that would otherwise be hard to reach. For areas with lots of rivets, such as the chassis of the vans, I either use a chisel of no. 10 scalpel blade held vertically to the model and gently rub back and forth (just the pressure of the blade) between the rivets. This is where priming the model first has a second advantage, you can easily see where you've removed material and once all the paint is removed then you're about there. I used the chisel attachment to get in between the outside frames of the earlier fish van as will - the trick is not to let the blade dig in!

Some areas just need to have loose material removing (where it has reacted with the wax supports while printing). In these cases, I chop the end off a cocktail stick at an angle and use this to remove the loose (fuzzy) material. I also did the 'W' irons of the wagon chassis using this technique.

For something like the Stannier 2P with it's riveted tank side, I found that chopping the end of a sanding stick at an angle allowed me to get in between the rows of rivets and remove most of the stepping. Two additional applications of primer took care of the rest - go over in light coats though is it is very easy to flood the detail by doing this! If you've managed to remove some rivets then Archers rivet transfers are great (if fiddly) for replacing them - the large of the two vans has two replaced rivets but tell me where!

After this, I wash the model again and, if necessary, clean out any grooves (plank lines) using the back of a scalpel blade, leave to dry and reprime. Then its a case of going around tidying up any areas that still require attention before moving on with painting, etc.

I had a whole host of pictures taken a couple of weeks back covering this. Unfortunately they are not my property so I can't publish them myself (at least not yet). Regarding the sanding sticks, my preferences are the ones sold be Flory Models (5mm wide, medium and fine grits) and Albion Alloys (3mm wide various grits). I like these as they are flexible and less like to flatten curves on the model like a file or homemade sander.

Hope this helps, it sounds complicated but really isn't too bad once you've gotten the hang of things.  :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: maridunian on March 09, 2018, 09:43:45 am
Thank you Steve - I've bought some bits and pieces from Shapeways but have yet to paint them, so this is very helpful.

Mike
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on March 16, 2018, 09:45:51 am
I've managed to get a bit more work done on the GNR full brake...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/213-160318094330.jpeg)

A very cruel close up (the models is c. 66m long!) showing that I've still got a couple of bits to address before this is ready for use as a casting master (and a redesign of the chassis!).

Done a bit of work on the CAD for the County but that's for the loco thread when I've got something that I'm happy showing!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: CarriageShed on March 16, 2018, 12:53:51 pm
That's wonderful detailing. If that were an S&D or an SR coach then I'd even be tempted to have a go at hand-painting the lining.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on March 16, 2018, 04:27:33 pm
That's wonderful detailing. If that were an S&D or an SR coach then I'd even be tempted to have a go at hand-painting the lining.

Thank you, luckily (for me anyway) the LNER abandoned lining on non-corridor stock in 1928 so I don't have to worry about this one! That said, I do want to recreate the 1938 special set that was refurbished in GNR livery for using with the Stirling single so I'll have to line a couple at some point!

A friend on another forum has pointed out that I've got the roof layout slightly wrong! Therefore, I'll be amending the CAD and reprinting this one before using it as a casting master.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Roy L S on March 16, 2018, 05:39:31 pm
I've managed to get a bit more work done on the GNR full brake...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/213-160318094330.jpeg[/url])

A very cruel close up (the models is c. 66m long!) showing that I've still got a couple of bits to address before this is ready for use as a casting master (and a redesign of the chassis!).

Done a bit of work on the CAD for the County but that's for the loco thread when I've got something that I'm happy showing!


Lovely job Steve, I look forward to release of the kit!!!!

Roy
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on March 16, 2018, 07:19:18 pm
Lovely job Steve, I look forward to release of the kit!!!!

Roy

Thanks Roy, this one is lagging behind the others and so it will be a while yet before it is ready...
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: CarriageShed on March 17, 2018, 04:21:38 pm
It's such a shame that you're so LNER-biased. Us SR modellers could really do with a couple of good ex-LSWR-pattern coaches and the like :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on March 31, 2018, 09:03:01 am
It's such a shame that you're so LNER-biased. Us SR modellers could really do with a couple of good ex-LSWR-pattern coaches and the like :)

I'm happy to look into other railways stock - I'm not totally LNER bias but (eventually) modelling Hadley Wood on the ECML does skew things a little! Where can I find drawings for LSWR coaches?
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on March 31, 2018, 09:08:36 am
I've been playing around with some resin casting. While results have been very promising, the castings have shown that my initial design for the vans could do with some revision to make life easier. Therefore, I've spent a bit of time redesigning these and will be getting another batch of masters printed in due course.

However, I have a handful of cast fish van bodies, but no rooves or chassis, and it seemed a pity to not use them. Therefore, I put together a few 2mm Association etched chassis (two in primer drying and one more to be built) and knocked up a roof using BHE etches. The results of the first effort is below.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/213-310318090341.jpeg)

The actual kit will have a mainly cast chassis and roof to make things easier for modellers.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: CarriageShed on April 02, 2018, 12:26:40 pm
I'm happy to look into other railways stock - I'm not totally LNER bias but (eventually) modelling Hadley Wood on the ECML does skew things a little! Where can I find drawings for LSWR coaches?

I guess we're all skewed towards whatever we're modelling :)

If you can get your hands on a copy of 'LSWR Carriages in the 20th Century' by G R Weddell then you'd have all the information you'd ever need. Volume 1 of the same series, 'LSWR Carriages' also has some late Victorian diagrams that could be useful. Plus there are a couple of later volumes that deal with some interesting non-coaching stock.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on April 03, 2018, 08:38:05 am
I guess we're all skewed towards whatever we're modelling :)

If you can get your hands on a copy of 'LSWR Carriages in the 20th Century' by G R Weddell then you'd have all the information you'd ever need. Volume 1 of the same series, 'LSWR Carriages' also has some late Victorian diagrams that could be useful. Plus there are a couple of later volumes that deal with some interesting non-coaching stock.

Thank you. That's the really expensive volume isn't it???

I'm going back to Pickering in August, I'll have a look through the bookshop at Grosmont and see if they've got a copy.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: CarriageShed on April 03, 2018, 12:00:53 pm
Thank you. That's the really expensive volume isn't it???

I'm going back to Pickering in August, I'll have a look through the bookshop at Grosmont and see if they've got a copy.

They can be, but perhaps not if you wait for the right bargain. While I paid £32 for volume 1 (ouch!), I picked up volume 2 (20th Century) for under a fiver. Actually, volume 1 is available on a certain auction site for £16 at the moment, without a wraparound cover.

PM sent on this subject :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on June 05, 2018, 07:30:46 pm
Not much to report but I thought I'd just leave this here for the moment...  ;)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-050618192938.jpeg)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: R Marshall on June 05, 2018, 07:47:59 pm
That's really very good, not to say beautiful!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Roy L S on June 05, 2018, 07:55:41 pm
Great work yet again Steve, that looks superb!

Roy
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on June 05, 2018, 08:45:20 pm
Smashing, Steve :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on June 05, 2018, 09:21:46 pm
Not much to report but I thought I'd just leave this here for the moment...  ;)

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-050618192938.jpeg[/url])


You big show off :)   It looks brilliant, can I have one
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Atso on June 05, 2018, 10:55:04 pm
Thanks guys, after the last few weeks, your kind words and encouragement means a lot to me. I can't wait to finish designing the roof fittings and tidy that whole area up!

You big show off :)   It looks brilliant, can I have one

If I'm a big show off then I have you to thank as my teacher of how to be more of an extrovert!

I do plan to get this one out in some form, you'll know when I manage it! :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: CarriageShed on June 06, 2018, 02:53:26 pm
Not much to report but I thought I'd just leave this here for the moment...  ;)

That's an absolutely wonderful level of detailing. I really do love a good carriage...