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Title: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on February 15, 2016, 08:38:52 pm
Hello all!

When will the rain stop!! Got bored indoors and a conversation sparked a memory of running a oo class 91 with working overhead lines 25 years ago, not a lot of scenery mind as that was set in plywood world!

And so Appleton Mountain Railway was born. It will be a privately operated Railway with a single track line from the great plain all the way up appleton Mountain to the Tensing/Hillary summit station. There will be a passing switchback 1/3 the way up and a halt (Field Halt after Field BC) 2/3 the way up to balance running. field because of the spiral tunnels... ...probably got carried away here but hey its all about imagination.

The passenger line will run automatically, controlled by arduino and ir sensors with a bit of luck including alternating platforms at the Plain station.

On the plains will be a freight service running aggregate and other stock tbc. This will also use part of the mountain line to access the hidden quarries.

The line is privately run and uses heritage stock, currently this will be

Passenger service:
cl25 pulling up to 3 assorted coaches, the line is reversing but currently nothing is tailing it, imagination will be a stop gap until something is procured, probably a dummy cl23 (because off the deltic engine and shorter length).
A ex db class 614 dmu for a bit of colour

Freight
A lovely dirty cl66 because I like them!

Size is about 2.7m x 1.2m  and 0.4m above baseboard top. In 2modules so I can hoist into the garage loft...

That's the plan anyway, module 1 baseboard made and 80% module 1 track laid.

Idea is to learn a lot and hopefully start with a challenging build as its solving problems I'm after, I'm sure I've created lots of those...

 :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Bealman on February 15, 2016, 08:59:48 pm
G'day from Australia, Pete, and welcome to the NGF!  :thumbsup:

Now this sounds like a very interesting project - certainly different!
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: port perran on February 15, 2016, 09:02:35 pm
Welcome aboard Pete.
Sounds an interesting layout indeed. I look forward to pictures in due course.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Ditape on February 15, 2016, 09:13:12 pm
 :hellosign:
Welcome to the forum, I look forward to seeing more of your project.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 15, 2016, 11:22:15 pm
 :hellosign:  :welcomesign: look forwards to developments
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Webbo on February 15, 2016, 11:37:04 pm
I like things out of the ordinary.

Look forward to seeing a track plan and pictures of progress.

Webbo
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on February 16, 2016, 08:35:04 am
 :thankyousign: Thanks for the kind welcomes, this is the track plan, drawn in AutoCAD. If you can read them the arrows are spot heights (the datum changes for ones with little s prefix for reasons of ease of change). Obviously not even quasi-prototypical (although the prototypical layouts on here are great im sure I couldn't do one justice) but in isolation sections of track should be sensible-ish.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_35506.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35506)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Bealman on February 16, 2016, 08:58:19 am
Whoa ho! Cool!

This is going to be one awesome project!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Webbo on February 16, 2016, 09:51:03 am
Holy smoke!

Rather different from the standard UK layout design of a double track oval with a station on one side and a fiddle yard on the opposite side.

Pete, you are going to have a great time building the scenery on this layout (especially on the right hand half).

Great plan.

Webbo



Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Railwaygun on February 16, 2016, 10:24:07 am
Very American.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on February 16, 2016, 07:40:10 pm
Some piccies, first an overall view, temporary wiring.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_35521.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35521)

Class 25 doing some high speed track testing
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_35519.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35519)

Class 66 test pulls coaches to the current railhead, will be chilly when they get to the summit with no heat but its only a gauge test.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_35520.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35520)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Bealman on February 16, 2016, 08:16:08 pm
You have been very busy!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Mito on February 16, 2016, 09:50:25 pm
I'm looking forward to seeing this develop. Got dizzy looking at the track plan. :)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 17, 2016, 02:23:02 pm
 :hellosign: Thanks for the updates, interesting  :greatpicturessign: 
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on February 20, 2016, 12:17:36 pm
Added all the droppers, just waiting on a 4pdt switch to arrive before the control panel work starts. Bought some voltage variers from eBay and a power supply and a load of switches... Either going to be expensive or cheap!

Relayed 1 curve with settrack instead of flexi, it was r1 and was causing issue and replaced a roco point with peco.

Started building the mountain, will be GRP over chicken wire. Claret everywhere but less messy than polystyrene! Made plywood tunnel portal frames.

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

2 locos will live in a tunnel in the mountain like the Swiss airforce do with their fighter jets so made the entrance to that.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on February 20, 2016, 05:39:34 pm
Building mountains!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_35598.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35598)

Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on February 21, 2016, 04:28:08 pm
put some more layers on today and primed it

things that worked
light 160g twill weave weight glass cloth worked well
15cm squares were the best, strips tended to shrink, bigger was too hard to drape
the carbon tape, actually this wasnst too great but you always need a bit of carbon :goggleeyes:

things that were ok
i used some csm in a few places (because i had resin left and thats all i had to hand) which was ok but doesnt give a good finish.


things to do next time differently
add a pigment to the resin, its amazing how the surface shows up when you prime and it adds contrast.
cut the cloth with pinking shears, if i had any.
wear gloves when handling the chicken wire.

remember next time to coat any balsa with any left over resin as it goes rock hard.

now to plaster it.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on February 26, 2016, 02:21:56 pm
been grouting the mountain side but its too cold in my garage to do any more glassing and the papier mache is still wet after days! spent time with the heat of my soldering iron to work a lot on the controller, just need to connect to the track droppers now.

Was thinking of adding some industry for the 66 to service, initial thoughts were of an aggregate yard and a small gas turbine power station (running on light fuel oil brought by tanker) but i'm open to suggestions. Of course grain could be grown on the plains and turned into something special with the mountain spring water...
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on March 01, 2016, 08:43:54 am
Some pictures of progress.

Rocks are Wickes Flexible Floor Tile grout with mixes of masonary paint on top.

The Mountain station will be on top of the mountain, a sort of Piz Gloria
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/jamesbond/images/3/31/Piz_Gloria.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120329200912)
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/jamesbond/images/3/31/Piz_Gloria.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120329200912 (http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/jamesbond/images/3/31/Piz_Gloria.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120329200912) mountain architecture affair.
The area for the in mountain loco shed (1st pic) will be made up in concrete, i guess plasticard is good for that?
The sloping tunnel portal will be brick faced and the bank on the left extended onto the portal.

Green bits on mountain side are just indication for future scenic grassing, note to all, Wickes conifer green paint is actually mint!

Gauge looks tight through the blasted cutting but is ok with a Mk3, track condition looks worse in the photos and i think it will be good when ballasted.

Just visible is a corrugated card contoured extension on the far end of the cutting, that seemed to work well and will be grout covered, i will do more of that for lowland relief, some of it grassy banks so its not all rock!

My home assembled controller is built into the top of the board for now, probably frowned up on I guess, but it was one of those things I hadn't considered a location for, so there it is for now. I haven't tested it yet and only about 1/3 the track is connected to it - more soldering and there are about a million wires now!

In other news the German DMU has been sidelined for major repairs, it seems my views on mint differ from some peoples... I have already had to clean the wheels and contacts and reposition the contacts on the correct side of the wheels but it still runs much much worse than my other locos. I will have to take it apart and rebuild. I'm annoyed at that but the rebuild should be interesting. A class 158 in regional railways livery has been procured by the AMR to replace it while it is out of service and provide summer peak time cover.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_36126.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36126)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_36125.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36125)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_36124.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36124)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Mito on March 01, 2016, 06:29:03 pm
Looking impressive :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 01, 2016, 11:50:32 pm
 :hellosign: :greatpicturessign: Taking shape, thanks for the updates
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on March 03, 2016, 07:36:57 pm
Class 158 on gauging trials through the cutting. All clear but line will be limited to fixed window stock like Cumbrian coast (I think?)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_36243.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36243)

Grey grout looking very moon-like prior to painting
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 03, 2016, 08:00:01 pm
Very impressive rocky terrain.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 03, 2016, 10:34:53 pm
G'day from Australia, Pete, and welcome to the NGF!  :thumbsup:

Now this sounds like a very interesting project - certainly different!
Whenever someone says their from Australia I turn green with absolute envy. your so lucky.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Bealman on March 03, 2016, 11:58:48 pm
It's only a matter of making it happen, Marcus. I did - mind you I was a lot younger and carefree. It's not all sugar and roses here either - we have our problems, don't you worry.  :beers:

Pete: Great scenery! Can't wait to see the finished product!  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 04, 2016, 06:53:41 am
It's only a matter of making it happen, Marcus. I did - mind you I was a lot younger and carefree. It's not all sugar and roses here either - we have our problems, don't you worry.  :beers:

Pete: Great scenery! Can't wait to see the finished product!  :thumbsup:

George
people do think the grass is always greener over the fence, I just don't like where the UK is heading. Layouts looking good, I find after a busy day, spending a couple of hours on the layout so relaxing.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on March 11, 2016, 06:30:08 pm
The AMR is putting the 66 to work delivering ballast for the new lines. In addition a crew of brickies has built the wall for the loco cave and laid some concrete staging outside. Ballasting is hard work in the cold as the binder they are trialling doesnt set! The work crew with brushes to clean the rails and sleepers is now having some beer :beers: and work will recommence at the weekend.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36595.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36595)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36596.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36596)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Newportnobby on March 11, 2016, 08:41:50 pm
Having visited the Piz Gloria many moons ago, I instantly recognised your model, Pete. Nice one :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: port perran on March 11, 2016, 08:44:47 pm
I do hope the "Work Crew" enjoy their pints .  :beers:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on March 11, 2016, 08:48:44 pm
I do hope the "Work Crew" enjoy their pints .  :beers:

Sharp's Atlantic
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on March 11, 2016, 08:50:17 pm
Having visited the Piz Gloria many moons ago, I instantly recognised your model, Pete. Nice one :thumbsup:

Errr that was a pic of the real thing, I've only made the mountain and not the piz gloriaesque top station yet.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 11, 2016, 09:35:47 pm
That mountain rocks(No pun intended....Lol)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Newportnobby on March 11, 2016, 10:09:56 pm
Having visited the Piz Gloria many moons ago, I instantly recognised your model, Pete. Nice one :thumbsup:

Errr that was a pic of the real thing, I've only made the mountain and not the piz gloriaesque top station yet.

Cripes - when I visited some 30 years ago it was all white :goggleeyes:
Thanks for the honesty, Pete :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on March 15, 2016, 08:03:16 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uly7YRjdBX0&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uly7YRjdBX0&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 15, 2016, 08:24:54 pm
Thanks for the video, Pete. The rocks certainly look very impressive. Your Class 25 runs very well at slow speed, too.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on March 15, 2016, 08:27:15 pm
needs some greenery urgently.

ballast look better in reality but any tips/comments welcome.

Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on March 27, 2016, 04:49:53 pm
The Appleton Mountain Railway, being a private railway, relies solely on revenue generated via its tourist summit passenger trips and occasional freight services serving the local community. The result of this is an odd collection of restored and 2nd hand stock - especially popular are the dining car trips to the "Bond villain lair" mountain restaurant, which of course is supplied by the railway, hence the Box Van attached to the buffet car, the mk3 ex st pancras architects model coach that completes the train is already into the tunnel. This service is normally hauled by the Cl25 seen in the background - so I've no idea what is hauling it today :confused1:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37171.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37171)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37172.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37172)

Local logging companies hire space on the bolster wagons to ship logs to the saw mill.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37173.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37173)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37174.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37174)

A Gas Turbine power station (will) provides power to the mountain community and drinks the light fuel oil contents of the 8 tank wagons on a weekly schedule. A storage tank with 2 weeks supplies will be constructed.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37175.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37175)

Due to a convoluted supply agreement ballast is trained in exclusively from German quarries, a  new load is obviously overdue given the voids evident...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37176.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37176)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37177.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37177)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 27, 2016, 05:30:23 pm
Thanks for the latest update. I do like an interesting 'back story'. 8-)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on March 31, 2016, 02:18:57 pm
Just finished laminating up what will now be called carbon gorge
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/4/thumb_37440.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37440)
I dont think McLaren will be knocking on my door to laminate their F1 cars any-time soon and they've a lot of new carbon bits to make  :dunce: but it serves its purpose. The edges still fray a lot - i tried spraying with positioning adhesive but my can was gummed up.

I used carbon because its light, strong and expensive* so of course i will be covering it with my now favourite tile grout, which is, errr, well heavy, weak and cheap.

But then,and hold on now, i thought, well carbon is just so 2015 - what you need is carbon/kevlar mix, so i got a bit of that too!! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CUT :veryangry:

The rough edges will be trimmed off with a diamond dremel wheel.

4 lines cross the gorge, in the foreground there is already a low bridge which will be incorporated into a dam across the gorge as i understand thats what you do with gorges. Next  2 are at 1/3 height, these will be ubiquitous Peco girder bridges, one of which will go into a tunnel, the mouth of which will be cut out where you can just see a bit of wood. Finally the a large span bridge will run at summit height on the final stretch to the Tenzing-Hillary Bond lair mountain terminus. This will be designed by Foster + Partners.


*actually it isnt compared to other materials that would get the same effect and durability
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 31, 2016, 02:27:24 pm
Sandless tile grout is excellent material for landscaping. I use / will use it over glued together polystyrene packing pieces which results in a light but strong scenic feature which can then be painted and grassed over.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: liam_harding1912 on April 09, 2016, 11:46:36 am
Looks Fantastic and you have taken some  :greatpicturessign:  I hope you are getting on well with the layout and I'd love to see more pictures!
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on December 18, 2017, 08:42:40 pm
A slight change of plan, rather than have two seperate baseboards I redesigned the layout to fit to a single 2000x1220 one. Most of what I had already done was carried forwards with a few modifications, the ridge mountain if been building was turned through 90deg which ment relating the lower station area.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5170-181217192234-594601554.jpeg)

I 3d cad modelled the mountain part, and printed out 9 sections which I posted to ply and cut out to form a egg box skeleton.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5170-181217192151-594571818.jpeg)

With a template of the track, I've been firing up the jig saw. So far it's all going together well just the usual battle of glue in the cold.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5170-181217192206-59458255.jpeg)view of a bridge over what will be a gorge. Bridge not leveled yet.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5170-181217192111-594551995.jpeg)
The frame and track will be covered when it get warm enough to fibre glass, 15c needed.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5170-181217192220-594591617.jpeg)
Terminus station and sidings yard.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Innovationgame on December 18, 2017, 09:07:02 pm
Wow!
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Newportnobby on December 18, 2017, 09:07:34 pm
Consider my mind boggled! :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Bealman on December 18, 2017, 09:45:13 pm
Good to see you back again!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 18, 2017, 10:03:55 pm
Already that looks highly impressive. I look forward to the updates.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Webbo on December 18, 2017, 10:05:55 pm
Looks like you're having a great time building mountains, Pete.

You can have some of our warmth to help set your glue. Today we are expecting 38 degrees C.

Webbo
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: weave on December 19, 2017, 12:24:16 am
Hi,

All looks fantastic. Really looking forward to how you do more.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on December 20, 2017, 11:31:07 am
This is the 3D CAD model i created, its to give the track bed location so I wasnt bothered about structure beneath; so some track bed goes through a structure or in places runs in another structure.

I then took slices through this and printed them off 1:1 as a template for the egg-box

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5170-201217112821.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59546)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on December 21, 2017, 08:59:55 pm
Got track laid from the terminus all the way up to the passing loop, which has a section that acts as a turnaround loop, so I'll get some wires in and will be able to run some trains!  :bounce:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5170-211217205807.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59576)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on December 21, 2017, 09:22:33 pm
And here's a track plan, in cad again rather than train software.

So... It starts on the white bit with an island platform where the 240 dimension is and runs up through beige to a loop back to a passing loop forming a triple track. There is a set of points on the nw curve creating a turning loop not shown. But carrying on to the yellow, magenta, cyan, brown and to the top.

A lot will be in tunnels so although it will be busy, it's not as busy as the plan looks.



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5170-211217211634.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59577)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on December 23, 2017, 09:02:49 pm
With track laid up to the mid way passing loop (situated 1/3 way up the mountain of course) the directors of the Appleton Mountain Railway have acquired a class 04 to act as a station pilot but have pressed it into service proving the newly laid track and carrying men and supplies up to the rail head. They are very nervous due to the currently unprotected precipitous drops!

Initial trails show the track is generally acceptable with only a few areas needing remedial action, the class 04 runs ok but is having to operate at higher than desired speed due to suspected tappet issues on no 4 pot and the likely need of needing an oil and filter change.

But they are glad to run before the Christmas shutdown.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5170-231217210048.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59649)

The official photographer got carried away trying to create a sense of speed, quite an achievement for a 04.


Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Newportnobby on December 23, 2017, 09:33:17 pm
Wow :goggleeyes:
Faster than a speeding bullet :D
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 24, 2017, 09:52:04 am
Thanks for the update. The Class 04s looked very attractive in BR Blue livery. This one seems to have had a turbo-boost for Christmas!
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 24, 2017, 10:01:28 am
Great mountains,  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: ptopo on December 24, 2017, 01:50:28 pm
What excellent and creative use of the 3rd dimension, very impressive! Any entertaining runaways yet due to unexpected uncouplings!?

Thanks for sharing,

PT.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on January 01, 2018, 08:30:29 pm
Platform cut from ply and being trial fit. A few areas to trim away.

The green will be darkened up before grassing, it's just an indication at the moment.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5170-010118202459.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60051)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Newportnobby on January 02, 2018, 09:33:50 am
It could be the camera angle but the platform edge looks very close to the rail, Pete.
Have you anything wider than that coach you could test it with?
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on January 02, 2018, 02:58:25 pm
Quote
Have you anything wider than that coach you could test it with?

oo  :thankyousign: thanks for the tip - what is good wide stock to test with?
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Caz on January 02, 2018, 04:24:29 pm
The normal yardstick is the current Bachmann Farish Class 08 with the outside frames, @Bealman (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=255) knows all about them  ::)   :D
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: port perran on January 02, 2018, 04:26:56 pm
The Dapol auto coach is a good guide too.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Papyrus on January 02, 2018, 05:03:07 pm
 :jawdropping: :goggleeyes:

How come I haven't tripped over this thread before??

That is a fantastic piece of work, and as someone said, very different from your standard station-and-fiddle yard set up. I shall follow this more closely from now on!

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Newportnobby on January 02, 2018, 07:28:33 pm
Quote
Have you anything wider than that coach you could test it with?

oo  :thankyousign: thanks for the tip - what is good wide stock to test with?

That depends really on what you will be running. As has been mentioned the later Farish 08 has caught folks out and the Dapol autocoach is quite wide. A close 2nd behind the 08 is the Minitrix 9F but if you run modern image then I'm afraid I can't advise you.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 02, 2018, 07:35:14 pm
For modern image, a Mark 3 coach, also any long wheelbase goods stock.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on January 03, 2018, 09:40:10 pm
 :NGaugersRule: thanks for the suggestions, I've tried a mk 3 and a cl158 and it's tight which I knew it was. But I'm too full of cold to sand it down in the garage so worked on something I can do indoors, a maintenance shed or maybe even a train care centre...


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5170-030118213421.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60132)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5170-030118213507.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60133)

Scratch built from card, unfortunately as you will notice, I cut the roof out using a guide on the reverse but it wasn't in the centre of the roof sheet so I got a white stripe,  :-[
I'll print off a new roof sheet tomorrow and do it properly! The roof will also have sky lights to show off the Arduino controlled lights, flickery and random sequenced start up, random bulb failure and rare catastrophic failure needing them all to be turned (automatically) off and on again, the code for which I wrote today.

Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on January 06, 2018, 09:09:43 pm
Space is at a premium in Appleton, the Appleton Mountain Railway have managed to squeeze in a small train care centre. The approach and exterior yard has just had a lighting upgrade to new led floodlights, however inside the train care centre florescent bulbs light it with a characteristic yellow glow. The bulbs take a while to start, and one occasionally fails needing that row to be cycled.



All this is controlled by an Arduino, the sequence is somewhat random as is the failing/cycling of the bulb, not shown in the video.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Bealman on January 06, 2018, 09:15:22 pm
Very effective!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on January 09, 2018, 09:00:05 pm
 :confusedsign:
Absolutely completely grade a+ bonkers!


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5170-090118205943.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60370)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Newportnobby on January 09, 2018, 09:32:37 pm
Is that Ken Dodd's tickling stick in the middle of the pic? :laugh3:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Mito on January 09, 2018, 10:14:11 pm
Is that Ken Dodd's tickling stick in the middle of the pic? :laugh3:

Is there room to tickle, and where? ???
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: emjaybee on January 09, 2018, 10:32:31 pm
:confusedsign:
Absolutely completely grade a+ bonkers!


([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5170-090118205943.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60370[/url])


Holy c...

I'm lost!
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: emjaybee on January 10, 2018, 09:45:43 am
Quick question...

...I'm sure you've thought about this, but just in case you've overlooked it...

...have you made provision for retrieving loco's and stock that tumble from the rails under the mountain?

 ???
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on January 10, 2018, 10:11:19 am
Its a very good question...

Most of the tunnels will be short enough to retrieve from the entrance but there are a couple of difficult locations. The track plan in essence follows around, and climbs up, an inverted cone with short tunnels to disguise that fact, so most of the track is near the outside, but there are a couple of deep return loops and these are the issue!

The idea is to fibre glass over the egg box grid and under the trackbed ply for the landscape surface which will create a self supporting structure, then some (quite a bit) of the egg box can be cut away. The right hand side will be open and it should be possible to reach in to access all parts although some will be a stretch. I am open to the possibility that i may need a lift off section of scenery but would rather not have to disguise the joins. Ive started to mock up the  landscape with cardboard.

There will also be extended fall protection so that nothing can drop too far.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on January 10, 2018, 10:17:26 am
Holy c...

I'm lost!

Mmm think of the poor drivers. The directors of the Appleton Mountain Railway are considering purchasing a loco for exclusive route learning purposes! (which i believe is a real thing!)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: emjaybee on January 10, 2018, 11:02:14 am
 :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on January 17, 2018, 01:20:18 pm
As has been mentioned the Appleton Mountain Railway, being an independent railway, purchases its stock as it finds and requires it, usually purchasing 2nd hand units. For its mountain service it will operate a C158 on a shuttle service, taking tourists to summit station, but it also offers a rail restaurant experience which will be top and tailed by their C25 + another loco they are on the look out for. (whether they are coupled with the carriages having undergone conversion and installation of through cables or are run with the trailing loco dead, i will let you decide). The rail restaurant service will consist of mk1 first open, restaurant car and a composite brake van that carries supplies to the mountain as see here on a menu proving train, the chef is very proud of his delicious but ample meals prepared in the tiny on board kitchen.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5170-170118131756.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60702)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Newportnobby on January 17, 2018, 03:38:15 pm
Posh nosh for the toffs, then :food:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 17, 2018, 04:38:28 pm
Very nice, Pete. Thanks for the update and photo. The dining car train is an excellent idea.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 17, 2018, 09:37:00 pm
Very nice, Pete. Thanks for the update and photo. The dining car train is an excellent idea.
   :hellosign: gotta agree  :thumbsup:
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: daffy on January 17, 2018, 09:48:50 pm
Are bookings for the restaurant car available? :hmmm:

Just catching up with your thread Pete, and after a dizzy spell from following the track I've recovered enough to say I'm impressed and look forward to developments. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on January 18, 2018, 09:05:21 am
Of course for those dizzied and confused by the layout (and that includes me at most times) the main station/biggest centre is at the bottom of the mountain, so per convention the up lines run into it and the down lines run out of it.

This means the up line runs down the mountain and the down line runs up the mountain...

 :goggleeyes: :goggleeyes: :goggleeyes: :goggleeyes: :goggleeyes: :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 19, 2018, 07:55:24 am
 :laughabovepost: Oh yes, my kind of logic! Great, but scary, layout.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Bealman on January 19, 2018, 08:03:18 am
Cool. Love it!  :beers:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on January 23, 2018, 09:30:25 pm
As it is slightly warmer I managed to get in some fibreglassing... ...I have now been banned from fibreglassing!
Polyester resin stinks, as in really stinks. I have to agree so I threw out the rest of the tin and ordered some epoxy which doesnt, but costs 4x.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5170-230118212507.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60958)

My plan is to glass under the ply trackbed mostly but this bit I went over it. I think I'll stick to understand mainly even though this has worked ok I think. The track isn't positioned correctly hence the floating appearance. The matt bit on the left is where I used peel ply to help it stick over the eggbox. Yes it is carbon :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on March 12, 2018, 06:55:34 pm
Finally it warmed up enough to try out the new resin and I could make more of the structure. Still messy to use but no smell! Still not ideal temperature in the garage of + 15 (being a high of 12)  so taking a while to fully cure but on its way.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5170-120318185245.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62868)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Milton Rail on March 13, 2018, 08:55:01 am
Cracking layout and inventive layout!  reminds me of a huge layout one of my mate's at school (back in the 80's) had (well it was his dad's) but had a large mountain as a main feature, nothing like what you have done, his didn't have trains travelling to the top, but he had modelled a working fenicular up the side.... yours is shaping up to be pretty awesome! 
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on March 13, 2018, 09:07:34 am
 :thankyousign:

mine doesn't have trains travelling to the top either.. yet... hopefully... it is a concern... but its fun making it...
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Bealman on March 13, 2018, 09:08:30 am
This layout is going to be so good!  :beers:

Better watch unprotected curves between levels, though. Lost a couple of coaches and a loco I was fond of.
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on March 13, 2018, 10:45:37 am
mm yes, I'm open to suggestions on clever ways of providing "scenery" protection? I guess the odd avalanche barrier, tree, lineside equipment etc might help but they might not be significant enough?..
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on March 25, 2018, 07:17:02 pm
A bank has appeared and has been planted with flowers.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5170-250318191134.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63387)
Seeds of course!

And some more hilly bits. Another layer of glass will be added over the top smoothing out the bits over the eggbox frame

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5170-250318191513.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63388)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on April 18, 2018, 07:47:58 pm
A bit of progress, just laid glass. The satiny fabric with red tracer is peel ply that smooths out the edges and helps it all stick together. It means that the frayed edges aren't  an issue. As the name suggests it's peeled off when the resin sets.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/5170-180418194455.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64341)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Zwilnik on April 18, 2018, 07:59:37 pm
mm yes, I'm open to suggestions on clever ways of providing "scenery" protection? I guess the odd avalanche barrier, tree, lineside equipment etc might help but they might not be significant enough?..

What about floating clouds as catch nets? (cotton wool clouds sticking out from the mountain on transparent plastic stalks) :)
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Pete Smith on April 19, 2018, 11:30:04 am
maybe just some orographic rolling up the cliff face
Title: Re: Appleton Mountain Railway
Post by: Bealman on April 19, 2018, 11:33:23 am
Incredibly huge project!