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Title: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 15, 2016, 03:24:43 pm
Hi,
after buying various bits and pieces over the past 20 years I am now semi-retired with time (and space) on my hands. :)

Looking to build a 1.8m by 0.65m layout with plenty of geology. I will start searching for tips on everything from baseboard construction up.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Newportnobby on January 15, 2016, 04:18:06 pm
Hi Keith, and welcome to the forum :wave:
Don't be afraid to ask questions as there is a plethora of knowledge to be found here.
Using the 'Search' button on the main toolbar is a good way to start.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: scotsoft on January 15, 2016, 04:28:27 pm
Hi Keith and  :welcomesign:

You will get lots of help here to get you up and running. We have a very generous membership who are always willing to help.

Cheers John.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 15, 2016, 05:54:25 pm
Welcome, Keith. I waited well over 30 years inbetween N Gauge layouts so, don't worry about the long wait! I'm sure it will be well worth it. 8-)
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: austinbob on January 15, 2016, 06:10:44 pm
Hi,
after buying various bits and pieces over the past 20 years I am now semi-retired with time (and space) on my hands. :)

Looking to build a 1.8m by 0.65m layout with plenty of geology. I will start searching for tips on everything from baseboard construction up.
Hi Keith
Like you I spent 20+ years accumulating kits and stock for a, wait for it, 4mm scale EM gauge layout when I retired.
Come retirement decided I couldn't get my EM gauge layout of Kings Cross station into my small spare bedroom and decided to go for N gauge instead. Still couldn't get a full layout of Kings Cross station in my spare bedroom but decided I could get loads more N gauge than EM gauge and thats where I am now.
Will never look back to EM gauge mostly cos of the incredible support from this forum.
You won't find any shortage of help, advice and assistance here.
Good luck.
 :NGaugersRule: :beers:
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: port perran on January 15, 2016, 06:17:41 pm
Welcome aboard Keith.
As others have said, there is plenty of friendly help and advice available on here so just ask away.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 18, 2016, 05:29:46 pm
Thanks guys,
been searching the forum and downloaded anyrail as a starter. I had already done some designs using rule, compasses and pencil. Put these designs into anyrail after watching a couple of the online tutorials - fantastic. I want a layout with various levels. It is has been simple to put gradients in and check out levels etc. Looks like I need to cut back on the more crazy ideas and get real in a few places.
Wish I could see a 3D visualisation!! (Just being greedy, great piece of free software)  ;)
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: dannyboy on January 18, 2016, 06:46:34 pm

Wish I could see a 3D visualisation!!

Welcome Keith. As has been said, there is no shortage of help and advice here. Regarding the 3D - SCARM is another free design programme, that does give you the 3D view. David.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Papyrus on January 18, 2016, 08:18:38 pm

after buying various bits and pieces over the past 20 years I am now semi-retired with time (and space) on my hands. :)


Greetings from another 20-year-wait man and  :welcomesign:

You're lucky you're only semi-retired... Wait till you're fully retired - you'll have no spare time at all then...  :( I haven't touched my layout since the summer.  :'(

Anyway, have fun!

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 30, 2016, 02:27:02 pm

Wish I could see a 3D visualisation!!

Welcome Keith. As has been said, there is no shortage of help and advice here. Regarding the 3D - SCARM is another free design programme, that does give you the 3D view. David.

Thanks David,

when I work out how to attach a file here :confused1: I will post my latest 3D model in SCARM
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 30, 2016, 03:27:13 pm
 :hellosign: keith, :welcomesign:  I am still in planning thinking the best things come to those that wait
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Bealman on January 30, 2016, 08:44:51 pm
G'day from Australia, Keith, and welcome to the NGF!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 01, 2016, 03:35:59 pm
I will be more than slightly amazed if this works.  :worried:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_34930.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34930)

If it does work, then thanks to Tank for the video!

If not then blame me!!

Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: petercharlesfagg on February 01, 2016, 04:30:00 pm
 :welcomesign:  Peter
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: MalcolmAL on February 01, 2016, 04:32:43 pm
 :hellosign:  :welcomesign:
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 20, 2016, 07:12:17 pm
Well after a false start in February construction has finally started.

For my first layout it’s all rather basic. The baseboard is 9mm hardwood ply glued & screwed to a 22 x 47 mm softwood frame.

As I am effectively starting from scratch I have taken the plunge and decided to go DCC.  I therefore wired the baseboard before doing anything else. My thanks go to Brian Lambert for his excellent website on wiring. I installed a couple of wiring buses using some stripped down surplus 5 amp lighting cable. A few extra holes were drilled in the frame for future cabling. I currently have no plans for lighting, but who knows?

The majority of the track is peco code 80 set track with a few lengths of peco flexi track. All went together really well. The low level track consists of an inner and out loop with sidings in the centre heading towards what will be a harbour. A higher level single track will head across the harbour to a mine / quarry.

I had no DCC locos so I took advantage of the recent special offer on Class 22s. Very pleased, a good looking model and good operation.

To my amazement everything worked first time, albeit from some very temporary wiring connections from track to bus. Having made sure that the two low level loops work ok I will now take all of the track up and fit cork underneath.

Many thanks to all on the forum over the last few months during my enforced frustrating delay. It has been great looking at the various layouts and searching for all sorts of hints tips and ideas. There is loads of help, enthusiasm and fantastic layouts to get you inspired (if a little daunted by some of the quality of modelling)!

I will endeavour to keep you updated as the build progresses.

Thanks for looking, comments most welcome.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/main_37054.JPG)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/main_37055.JPG)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/5078-160616175444.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/5078-160616175623.jpeg)

Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: port perran on June 20, 2016, 07:25:29 pm
Very nice tidy trackwork there.
You are making good progress - thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Newportnobby on June 20, 2016, 07:52:46 pm
A good start there, Keith :thumbsup:
Trouble is, once locos start running all other progress seems to slow dramatically :angel:
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Drakken on June 20, 2016, 07:58:09 pm
Very nice start to the layout there, The best are always worth the wait. Enjoy your build and look forward to updates in the future  :beers:
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 20, 2016, 08:16:22 pm
Very good to see progress with the tracklaying and the Dapol Class 22s are indeed fine models and real bargains at the current prices. (I bought a 3rd one, my first BR Blue one but a D63XX series one to fit my up to 1968 period.)
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 24, 2016, 12:12:02 pm
Hadn't realised it has been so long since I last posted.

Steady progress over the summer, fitted in between gardening, grandchildren, holiday and still some part-time work.

I added the "mountain" area and mocked up access via a very temporary bridge!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5078-040816170945.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5078-241016113453-448252267.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5078-241016113449-448151741.jpeg)

I wanted to make sure that I had not been over ambitious with the gradient (about 3%). No need to worry both the Class 22 and the new Hymek cope very easily. Also wanted to make sure that the wiring did what was required!

Ah, which reminds me, I did make a few purchases over the summer too. More of that later.

Thanks for looking.

Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 31, 2016, 05:22:58 pm
One of the new purchases over the summer was something more permanent to fill that big gap.

I bought a bridge kit from Faller:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5078-040816171048.jpeg)

Which with a bit of careful work turned in to this:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5078-241016114104-44832685.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5078-241016114104-448331494.jpeg)

First model kit I have built since my early 20's (some time last century) when I was really in to building Tamiya model cars (the Lotus 49B was amazing, working suspension etc).

Really liked the Faller kit, straightforward to assemble and good quality and attention to detail.

Once the painters had finished it was assembled on site:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5078-241016113915-4482764.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5078-241016113916-44828351.jpeg)

Need to get it dirty now. Still need to practice weathering off site before I have a go at the real thing though.

Oh and the Hymek was a summer purchase too..

Not sure that I like the low level bridge mock-up in the background. The Peco truss girders seem to be a bit on the small side. I may buy some plate girders and see how they look.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: port perran on October 31, 2016, 05:27:50 pm
That bridge looks impressive.
As for Peco, I think they do the girder bridge sides in 2 sizes. I certainly have one pair that are slightly taller.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 31, 2016, 05:40:57 pm
Thanks PP.

I will investigate further, I do prefer the idea of a truss bridge.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Milton Rail on October 31, 2016, 06:41:49 pm
Nice looking bridge, well made too - I have seen this one online, but not pictured made up & on a proper layout.. looks good - my only slight issue is that the line I want to put the bridge on has curves & incline ....  how much "manipulation" do you think this kit could take...i.e. would the moulding lend themselves to being warmed up and a curve introduced?

I had a look at your thread a few days ago, was intrigued greatly by your quarry and the corkscrew to get up to it - neat idea :)
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 31, 2016, 07:06:19 pm
It will certainly take an incline, mine has about 3% gradient.

Not sure about a horizontal curve. The bridge deck is quite sturdy and rigid. That said, because it is sturdy maybe some gentle heat and persuasion might work. If the deck does bend then the substructure will be ok since it is modular so should be quite easy to adapt. I think Faller do a curved brick viaduct but I could not find a curved steel bridge. My original plan was to scratch build my own curved steel bridge out of plastistrut but I bottled out of that. The bridge is a key focal point of the layout so it needs to look "professional"  :worried:   
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 31, 2016, 08:01:12 pm
Curved metal bridges were made up of a series of short sections joined at an angle rather then being actually curved. Little Petherick Creek bridge in North Cornwall being an excellent example:

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/p/padstow/padstow(1960s)old97.jpg (http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/p/padstow/padstow(1960s)old97.jpg)
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: ptopo on November 02, 2016, 08:25:41 pm
 :welcomesign:

It's nice to see something a little different Keith, loads of scope for scenics and a great start with the bridge. Am I right in thinking the top quarry line is completely independent from the lower level (there's not some sneaky helix out of sight....??).

Good luck & thanks for sharing

PT
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 04, 2016, 09:22:18 am
Thanks PT,
yes you are right the quarry line is independent from the low level track. I wanted to model some rock faces so needed some height. The quarry line terminates about 50 feet (prototype) above lower track level. At a 3% gradient I just did not have enough space to link, even with a helix.
I plan to have some form of "unloading system" for getting quarry product off the wagons. No definite plans yet but lots of possibilities with the planning department at the moment: crane, gantry, conveyor, factory...
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 24, 2016, 05:10:00 pm
 :helpneededsign:

Hi all, I now have a name for my layout. Is it possible to change the name of a topic? or do I start a new one?

 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Chetcombe on November 24, 2016, 05:22:40 pm
Looking very nice. I didn't like the Peco Girder bridge sides for the same reason and used a kit from Vollmer for something more substantial:

http://www.vollmer-online.de/en/articles/art_2546.html (http://www.vollmer-online.de/en/articles/art_2546.html)

I also looked at some Knightwing components which were somewhere between the two:

http://www.knightwing.co.uk/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?product=N_Buildings&cart_id=1480007243.127 (http://www.knightwing.co.uk/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?product=N_Buildings&cart_id=1480007243.127)

Keep the photos coming, I look forward to seeing how you progress. And I look forward to seeing the layout name revealed (the mods can change the thread title by the way!)
Title: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 24, 2016, 05:32:50 pm
Thanks Mike,

I've bought some peco plate girder sides to try out as an alternative. However, I think a truss girder bridge will look better.

The knightwing stuff looks really good, thanks for the link, I had not discovered them as a supplier. Maybe they will make their way onto my Christmas list  ;)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Bealman on November 26, 2016, 11:25:28 pm
Moderator Comment Thread title is now 'Sonmel ' as requested by Keith.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 27, 2016, 09:39:56 am
Thread title is now 'Sonmel ' as requested by Keith.

 :thankyousign: George.

my layout now has a name and I am currently composing a short backstory which I will post soon.

Those of you familiar with the less well known islands of the Aegean will spot where the name is derived from.

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 27, 2016, 09:54:13 am
So, a little bit of background to the layout name change...

Keith has decided to blow his retirement fund on the purchase of the island of Sonmel, a somewhat rundown small island located somewhere not quite on the beaten track. He has plans to “invite” small cruise ships to call and will offer fine dining excursions on Pullman dining cars. This will hopefully generate some income so that island refurbishment can be funded.

The island has a small derelict quarry, used to mine who knows what. He has plans to reopen the quarry to further supplement funds.

There is no coal on the island so it looks like it will be a diesel only fleet.

Since the island is located nowhere in particular he has free reign to scour the world in search of bargain kit, rolling stock, buildings and anything else that might appear to be useful.

Thanks for reading and ideas and feedback always welcome.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Bealman on November 27, 2016, 10:35:27 am
Love the idea, and the layout looks great.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 27, 2016, 04:00:40 pm
Nearly completed two kits that I originally bought last century.

This is a Faller kit. Sonmel seems to have the ability to import and store natural gas. Whilst we have no coal, gas powered locos anyone  :confused1:

One of those cheap figures has turned up inspecting the safety gear at the top.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5078-271116154647-457551995.jpeg)

This is a Ratio kit of oil storage tanks together with a workmen's hut.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5078-271116154647-457341875.jpeg)

Both kits need to be weathered in (still practicing my weathering, not got the skill to have a go on the real thing yet).  :worried:

Finally made a start on the big scenery:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5078-271116154651-457562338.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: dannyboy on November 27, 2016, 07:37:47 pm
Can you get your inspection chappie a safety harness please? If the elf and safety lot turn up, somebody will be in bovver  ;D. The models look quite good actually.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on November 27, 2016, 07:47:37 pm
Thanks for the pictures.
The models look really good.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: weave on November 28, 2016, 09:20:39 am
Hi Keith,

All sounds good and looking good.

Looking forward to more.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 28, 2016, 01:00:26 pm
The back story is a very interesting one, Keith. I look forward to seeing this develop.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 28, 2016, 04:19:35 pm
Can you get your inspection chappie a safety harness please? If the elf and safety lot turn up, somebody will be in bovver  ;D. The models look quite good actually.  :thumbsup:

As a private island I could be immune from the excesses of the modern world ::)

However, not wanting to be in trouble (that would be a first) anyone any thoughts on N gauge safety harness material (cotton thread, fishing line??).

 :thankyousign: for the comments and encouragement.

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: weave on November 29, 2016, 09:28:17 am
Hi keith,

Don't know the answer, far too fiddly for me. Just say they're from Spain and make tiny Ducados cigarettes or Belgium, where only last year the owner of the garage was smoking, talking to the petrol delivery driver, while we were filling up.

Make your island your own and don't get bogged down in little details yet as then nothing gets done. Been there, still doing that.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 29, 2016, 04:49:19 pm
Hi keith,

Don't know the answer, far too fiddly for me. Just say they're from Spain and make tiny Ducados cigarettes or Belgium, where only last year the owner of the garage was smoking, talking to the petrol delivery driver, while we were filling up.

Make your island your own and don't get bogged down in little details yet as then nothing gets done. Been there, still doing that.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Thanks Weave, was he on his mobile at the same time by any chance??

Like the advice on avoiding too much detail in the early stages. Must get out of the "work mode" and indulge my "oooh this is nice and shiny" side. Must admit that starting on the scenery has immediately changed the feel of my layout.

 :thankyousign: :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on November 29, 2016, 08:37:10 pm
Hi keith,

Don't know the answer, far too fiddly for me. Just say they're from Spain and make tiny Ducados cigarettes or Belgium, where only last year the owner of the garage was smoking, talking to the petrol delivery driver, while we were filling up.

Make your island your own and don't get bogged down in little details yet as then nothing gets done. Been there, still doing that.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Thanks Weave, was he on his mobile at the same time by any chance??

Like the advice on avoiding too much detail in the early stages. Must get out of the "work mode" and indulge my "oooh this is nice and shiny" side. Must admit that starting on the scenery has immediately changed the feel of my layout.

 :thankyousign: :beers:
Hopefully, you'll enjoy the scenery bit. For me, that's the best bit of railway modelling.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 30, 2016, 06:53:36 pm
I agree about the scenery Martin. I just hope that I can reach your standard on Trepol Bay. :worried:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 05, 2016, 04:03:36 pm
Time for an update.

Rock construction has started.

Basic construction is cardboard formers with plaster bandage over:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-051216151915-460941730.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5078-271116154652-457571101.jpeg)

I then apply a layer of plaster over the bandage:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-051216151915-46094824.jpeg)

A layer of grey matt emulsion is applied once the plaster is dry. I don't worry too much at this stage how well the grey covers.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-051216151918-460961914.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-051216151920-46097401.jpeg)

Then I try and get artistic with various acrylic washes in an attempt to get some realistic looking rock faces

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-051216151923-460981100.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-051216151926-460992302.jpeg)

And finally whilst waiting for plaster and paint to dry I have had my first ever attempt at ballasting...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-051216151911-46070774.jpeg)

Thanks for looking.

Comments and suggestions always welcome :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on December 05, 2016, 04:16:27 pm
The rock faces are looking good.
My only concern is if a loco derails somewhere near where that blue wagon is. Tis a long way to the floor from there! Or.....will there be a fence?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 05, 2016, 04:35:57 pm
Thanks for the feedback.

I'm thinking about having the rock face go higher than currently built. May well put a fence on top of that but probably not sturdy enough to catch an expensive engine. So maybe the rock option is the cheapest solution :worried:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on December 07, 2016, 09:35:24 am
Keith, the cliffs look great and well done on the ballasting.

How do the loco's cope with the gradients?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 08, 2016, 05:48:12 pm
Thanks Andrew.

I'm not sure about the cliff colour at the moment. I'm going to try a different base colour on a different section and have a deep and meaningful think about it (probably involving red wine). Hopefully this weekend once the Christmas decs are up.

There's more work to do on the ballasting but pleased with my first efforts. Still reading many threads extolling the virtues of ballasting early versus late.  :confused1:

I have a maximum gradient of about 3%. My Hymek and Class 22 cope OK with the Lima tankers that I have. These are quite heavy but I don't plan to run long rakes up and down to the quarry.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 18, 2016, 04:57:11 pm
Just a quick short update.

Been forming more rock faces and playing with textures colours and effects. I almost have a (very small) section nearly finished. I will post some pictures when I have made a bit more progress.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on December 18, 2016, 08:05:47 pm
Nearly completed two kits that I originally bought last century.

This is a Faller kit. Sonmel seems to have the ability to import and store natural gas. Whilst we have no coal, gas powered locos anyone  :confused1:

One of those cheap figures has turned up inspecting the safety gear at the top.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5078-271116154647-457551995.jpeg[/url])

This is a Ratio kit of oil storage tanks together with a workmen's hut.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5078-271116154647-457341875.jpeg[/url])

Both kits need to be weathered in (still practicing my weathering, not got the skill to have a go on the real thing yet).  :worried:

Finally made a start on the big scenery:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5078-271116154651-457562338.jpeg[/url])


Great choice of energy supply company ;)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 19, 2016, 04:42:24 pm
"Great choice of energy supply company ;)"

The kit came with a choice of them or "the Dutch mob" for branding. Since my wife used to work for this lot the choice was easy. She was pleased that it was the "proper" logo too.  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 19, 2016, 05:03:03 pm
Think that I have finally ended up with something that is beginning to look OK....

Clean rocks with a test haul of fuel up to the quarry:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-191216164701-464691500.jpeg)

Tunnel lining and some ballast in place (congratulatory note to self that I did most of the ballasting before the tunnel lining was placed)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-191216164702-464701490.jpeg)

And the first greenery has appeared:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-191216164709-464721417.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-191216164708-464712427.jpeg)

Apologies for the quality of the last photos, lighting not brilliant in the man cave today.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 19, 2016, 05:25:44 pm
Very nice work, Keith. Thanks for the photos. Eventually, I will also try to treat my dark grey rocks like yours which look excellent.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 19, 2016, 05:42:03 pm
Thanks Chris. The formula I have ended up with is very cheap matt grey emulsion as a base coat. it's then a very artistic (as an engineer I struggle with that bit) dry brush with mainly white acrylic with the odd bit of dry brushed black acrylic.
I experimented with adding white to lighten the grey but that just didn't seem to give the depth I was looking for. I will eventually add some bits of greenery to the less steep bits.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 19, 2016, 05:54:50 pm
Thanks, Keith. I have to confess that my cliffs and rock faces are painted with tinlets of Humbrol enamel 'Panzer Grey' bought locally. I plan to drybrush with an enamel light grey then a matt black but I will experiment, next month on a section of the estuary cliffs. I will also add some greenery after I'm happy with the final surface finish.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 06, 2017, 03:13:53 pm
Had a break from rocks and grass over Christmas and New Year.

I bought myself one of these back in the summer:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5078-040816171132.jpeg)

Construction started after some detail painting. I love this model construction progress:

Q, "Had a good time in the man cave this morning?"
A. "Amazing, painted 35 windows in less than 2 hours"
Next day
Q. "How did it go this morning?"
A. " Steady. Installed and glazed 35 windows in about 3 hours"
If only things were like that in the prototype world.  :D

This is where we are now:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-060117145927-468821295.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-060117145928-46896200.jpeg)

The tanker will just fit. Therefore open mineral wagons will have plenty of clearance.

Still got the access ladders and walkways to install. Waiting for paint to dry.

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on January 06, 2017, 05:37:25 pm
 :hellosign: Keith, looks good your layout.       :thumbs:



                                                       :A1Tornado:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 07, 2017, 05:32:39 pm
Change of plan methinks.

Had originally planned to put the walthers mine in the quarry at the top.

However, a mock-up at the lower level looks like a good alternative. Need to play a bit more with the siding layouts.

Problem now is how to get quarry product from the high level track from the quarry (where the tankers are currently) down to the diamond coal corp building?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-060117145930-468971313.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-060117145934-468982201.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-060117145935-468991331.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Newportnobby on January 07, 2017, 06:03:01 pm
Could you scratch build an enclosed conveyor linking the upper track with the building?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 07, 2017, 07:59:27 pm
Thanks nn, excellent suggestion.

The walthers kit comes with some covered conveyors which could be suitably "kit bashed". Steamie has also very recently posted some pictures of excellent scratch built conveyors.

I will have to re-design my planned access road, but hey ho, what fun!  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 08, 2017, 01:38:35 pm
Spent the morning playing with plaster bandage, great fun I love it!

Maybe I should have worked in fracture clinic? Although not a great deal of creative opportunity I suspect.  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Webbo on January 08, 2017, 10:56:23 pm
I agree that closed in conveyers are the answer and would make a very nice scene..

Yes, modern materials are making things easier and more fun. We have plaster bandage as you say, various sculpting materials, and foam. My first layout was constructed with chicken wire over wooden formers, covered with paper mache and then plaster of Paris. Tedious and messy!

Webbo
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on January 09, 2017, 07:01:44 am
Thanks nn, excellent suggestion.

The walthers kit comes with some covered conveyors which could be suitably "kit bashed". Steamie has also very recently posted some pictures of excellent scratch built conveyors.

I will have to re-design my planned access road, but hey ho, what fun!  :D

 :thankyousign: for the mention Keith, they were really easy to make and you can have them has long as you like, just coffee stirrers joined together and lolly sticks for the roof and Redutex covering the roof and then plastacard for the sides.    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Newportnobby on January 09, 2017, 01:28:15 pm
My first layout was constructed with chicken wire over wooden formers, covered with paper mache and then plaster of Paris. Tedious and messy!

Webbo


The main scenic board of 'Bletchford' was constructed just like that, Webbo. I used aviary wire as it has a closer mesh and, though the pic shows some card being trialled, I found it didn't really have the strength so used the wire throughout. This was then covered with several layers of kitchen roll soaked in a filler and then painted before using scatters.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/main_14033.JPG)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 09, 2017, 03:59:27 pm
More plaster bandage today, more joy (Monday is a non-work day)!

All of this getting plastered (opening for you there NN) has finally resulted in the basic structure of a quarry.

Possibly beginning to look like a proper model  :worried:

Some of the basic skeletal structure:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-090117154657-47098217.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-090117154657-471391299.jpeg)

Plaster bandage applied:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-090117154704-471412482.jpeg)

View from the front of the layout

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-090117154701-471401903.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-090117154705-471422021.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 09, 2017, 04:05:52 pm
Thanks for the latest update, Keith. Those rockfaces are coming along very well.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on January 09, 2017, 04:38:34 pm
Starting to look pretty good I think.
I like seeing scenery develop from the messy bit into something that starts to look convincing.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 09, 2017, 04:58:08 pm
 :thankyousign: Martin.

Really pleased that you think that it is beginning to look convincing. I am hoping to achieve close to your standard eventually. :worried:

I still haven't worked up the courage to have a go at my harbour walls yet (too much fun with the plaster).
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on January 09, 2017, 06:33:50 pm
Hi Keith.
The harbour walls will be much less messy than the cliffs.
If you need any help with the walls give me  PM.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 09, 2017, 06:37:13 pm
Martin's harbour walls are really superb so it's well worth asking him. 8-)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Webbo on January 09, 2017, 11:05:17 pm
My first layout was constructed with chicken wire over wooden formers, covered with paper mache and then plaster of Paris. Tedious and messy!

Webbo


The main scenic board of 'Bletchford' was constructed just like that, Webbo. I used aviary wire as it has a closer mesh and, though the pic shows some card being trialled, I found it didn't really have the strength so used the wire throughout. This was then covered with several layers of kitchen roll soaked in a filler and then painted before using scatters.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/main_14033.JPG[/url])


Thanks Mick

Just goes to show that one size doesn't necessarily fit all and that some of the older techniques might be best for particular situations.

Webbo
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 15, 2017, 01:05:56 pm
Today is my first anniversary of joining the forum.

 :thankyousign: for all of the help and comments!

 :thankyousign: for everyone who posts. A great source of ideas, experience, inspiration and advice (and humour).

 :thankyousign: for all of the administrators and moderators. Without you we would not be here!

Looking forward to year 2.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on January 15, 2017, 02:31:28 pm
Happy Anniversary Keith.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 16, 2017, 04:09:11 pm
Busy weekend creating more rock, covering the plaster bandage.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-160117160306-47440117.jpeg)

The quarry is beginning to take shape, with a lorry added to give a sense of scale.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-160117160308-474431227.jpeg)

Really enjoying this terraforming.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 16, 2017, 04:51:12 pm
I have had a first attempt at some harbour walls.

The mark 1 version is modelled on a concrete wall with timber greenheart piles. The wall is modelled using coffee stirrers on a card background. There was some movement in this structure when I added paint and glue. I can probably rectify this but maybe a more substantial sub-structure is required.

Comments and feedback welcome.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-150117150521-473701384.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-150117150524-47372266.jpeg)

I have a mark 2 version under construction, but (paid) work will interrupt progress until Friday at the earliest.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on January 16, 2017, 05:04:59 pm
Looks pretty good to me. Just the top section (above the weeds) looks a bit too pristine really. Higher tides or a storm would make it look a lot dirtier ?
I might also suggest a coat of thin varnish over the weeds to give a "wet" effect ?
Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 16, 2017, 05:09:40 pm
Thanks Martin,

2 excellent thoughts. Something for me to try later in the week. I may also be able to post the mark 2 version as well for a comparison.

 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 16, 2017, 06:47:26 pm
Your rock faces are coming along very well indeed. I also really enjoyed making mine.

Martin's tips are well worth following, Keith, as the harbour at Trepol Bay is really superb: very realistic indeed.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 20, 2017, 04:42:15 pm
Hadn't realised how much rock terraforming I had done last weekend.

It's time for some serious paintin (no g).  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 26, 2017, 04:20:11 pm
I think that I might have overdone the weathering of the concrete  :doh:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161628-47862715.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Innovationgame on January 26, 2017, 04:51:52 pm
The weathering looks really good to me.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on January 26, 2017, 05:32:01 pm
The weathering looks really good to me.
Looks very good to me too.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 26, 2017, 05:42:40 pm
Thanks guys.

I need a couple more coats of varnish on the seaweed.

The mark 2 is still in progress, had to work this week (not for much longer). I will post for comparison once completed.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: dannyboy on January 26, 2017, 09:54:15 pm
I think that I might have overdone the weathering of the concrete  :doh:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161628-47862715.jpeg[/url])


Definitely nothing wrong with that.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on January 27, 2017, 06:37:26 am
I think that I might have overdone the weathering of the concrete  :doh:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161628-47862715.jpeg[/url])


I agree with dannyboy above   :thumbs:  When i clued my coffee stirrers i used Gorilla Glue put on with a fine paint brush to stick them together and to any post, they never moved after painting Keith. That Gorilla Glue is serious strong stuff   lol...    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 27, 2017, 07:16:59 am
Thanks Steamie. The gorilla glue is an interesting idea. I have used stirrers glued to card using pva , then uhu glue for the matchsticks. My mark 2 is using styrene sheet as the backing for more rigidity. I might upgrade to gorilla glue for the rest of the structure.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on January 27, 2017, 07:34:30 am
Thanks Steamie. The gorilla glue is an interesting idea. I have used stirrers glued to card using pva , then uhu glue for the matchsticks. My mark 2 is using styrene sheet as the backing for more rigidity. I might upgrade to gorilla glue for the rest of the structure.  :hmmm:

Use it sparingly Keith because it dries to a creamy colour if you use to much, thats why i used a small fine paint brush, it makes the brush useless for any thing else but then the structure you are making will be very strong and  another best bit it doesn’t overpower you with a strong smell.       :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Bealman on January 27, 2017, 08:18:02 am
I've always stuck to the maxim of start off dark with everything, because it all fades over time.

Particularly with the rugged UV we cop here in Australia!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 27, 2017, 04:04:54 pm
Ouch ! No sun here and max of 6 degs, roll on spring. 8)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Innovationgame on January 27, 2017, 04:12:35 pm
Ouch ! No sun here and max of 6 degs, roll on spring. 8)
6oC sounds positively balmy.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 27, 2017, 04:16:34 pm
Finally finished most of the new rock painting:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161635-478931942.jpeg)

There will be a stone retaining wall in the big gap in the foreground.

After all of that rockwork and painting thought it would be a good idea to play test trains. Then that was it, - nothing else constructive done.  :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161638-47894851.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161641-478952306.jpeg)

The class 04 is a new addition. Got it in the January sales and then had a chip fitted by Douglas (ex of wickness models)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 27, 2017, 04:22:59 pm
Ouch ! No sun here and max of 6 degs, roll on spring. 8)
6oC sounds positively balmy.

Hope that you are starting to feel better Laurence.

It is warm compared with the last 2 weeks. We moved to the south coast a couple of years ago. Idea was for a warmer climate but we have had a morning frost for pretty much every day for the past 2 weeks. By comparison the previous 2 winters have maybe had a total of 5 frosty morning between them. Seriously thinking about moving even further south although my wife points out that I will get very wet if I do so.  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Newportnobby on January 27, 2017, 04:23:47 pm
Those rock faces look excellent, Keith :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on January 27, 2017, 04:25:48 pm
I agree with Mick, those rock faces are top notch.
Brilliant.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Jimbo on January 27, 2017, 04:26:27 pm
Very nice work Keith......some serious modellin' (No g)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 27, 2017, 04:28:18 pm
Those rock faces look excellent, Keith :thumbsup:

Thanks NN. Trying to get close to the standards set by you experts.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 27, 2017, 04:30:36 pm
Very nice work Keith......some serious modellin' (No g)  :thumbsup:

 :thankyousign: Oh yes, right time of the week for that... might even try sending a text in... :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Jimbo on January 27, 2017, 04:34:19 pm
Very nice work Keith......some serious modellin' (No g)  :thumbsup:

 :thankyousign: Oh yes, right time of the week for that... might even try sending a text in... :D

Good idea!  :music:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Innovationgame on January 27, 2017, 04:38:21 pm
Really impressive rocks!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 27, 2017, 07:52:58 pm
I agree, too; excellent rock faces, Keith. Eventually, I will get around to trying to achieve the same effect on my Panzer Grey (really) rock faces. Now, some greenery would further add to the realism. 8-) The far right front corner of Cant Cove has just about been completed as far as greenery goes and I'm very happy with it.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 27, 2017, 08:47:52 pm
Thanks Chris. Yes my grandson is keen to have some grass and I have trees on my shopping list. I will have a look at Cant Cove and steal some ideas!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 27, 2017, 09:13:15 pm
Please, be my guest, Keith. You can see here that I need to weather the rocks as you have but the greenery, including some Cornish yellow gorse, is done. (A wooden fence would be good too along the cutting wall ridge.)

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/2016-09-27%2009.59.43_zpswcdzeczo.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/2016-09-27%2009.59.43_zpswcdzeczo.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on January 28, 2017, 05:13:48 am
Finally finished most of the new rock painting:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161635-478931942.jpeg[/url])

There will be a stone retaining wall in the big gap in the foreground.

After all of that rockwork and painting thought it would be a good idea to play test trains. Then that was it, - nothing else constructive done.  :D

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161638-47894851.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161641-478952306.jpeg[/url])

The class 04 is a new addition. Got it in the January sales and then had a chip fitted by Douglas (ex of wickness models)


That is a brilliant rock face Keith, some real looking rock indeed. Bit of moss and maybe a mountain goat 🐐 or two would be brilliant, what do you think.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 28, 2017, 07:10:47 am
Thank you for the kind comments Steamie. Blimey, hadn't thought about mountain goats, great idea! Now where's that search engine?  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 28, 2017, 07:21:22 am
Thanks for the photo Chris. Very impressive scenery, you and PP set high standards. I agree about the fence, I have some ideas for Sonmel but they are just ideas at the moment.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on January 28, 2017, 08:24:06 am
Some great progress Keith, the rock faces look excellent, I think they would be a great temptation for some rock climbers too :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Bealman on January 28, 2017, 08:54:04 am
I think Preiser make 'em
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on January 28, 2017, 12:02:59 pm
Thank you for the kind comments Steamie. Blimey, hadn't thought about mountain goats, great idea! Now where's that search engine?  :D
I think Preiser make 'em

Well it was just a thought and they would look brilliant i think, i have 2 sets of Mountain Climbers on my Grandsons layout, they do look impressive.    :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 28, 2017, 03:59:02 pm
 :thankyousign: guys for the great suggestions, keep them coming. The birthday present list is looking very healthy already, and another 5 months to go yet!

The rock faces could look very busy at this rate.  :D

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 30, 2017, 10:42:04 am
Not much action at Sonmel over the weekend. Started painting (the hall ceiling), much bigger brush than I having been using recently. And so much more area to paint.  :D

However, my grandson popped in for coffee (well his dad did) so I had to stop painting and run some trains. Needed a bit of a clean up first. Got this in Maplins recently, brilliant for collecting loose bits of ballast, scatter and plaster.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161628-478622330.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Jimbo on January 30, 2017, 11:52:05 am
That looks like a handy little piece of kit Keith  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on January 31, 2017, 05:34:24 am
Thanks for this Keith, mixed reviews for it but for a fiver, so what.         :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 31, 2017, 05:23:54 pm
Thanks for this Keith, mixed reviews for it but for a fiver, so what.         :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I read similar reviews, but as you say for a fiver not extortionate. However, for light stuff it's really good and the dust bag means that you can recycle material. Had it for a couple of months now, still on the original batteries and still has suction!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on February 01, 2017, 04:11:30 am
Thanks for this Keith, mixed reviews for it but for a fiver, so what.         :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I read similar reviews, but as you say for a fiver not extortionate. However, for light stuff it's really good and the dust bag means that you can recycle material. Had it for a couple of months now, still on the original batteries and still has suction!  :thumbsup:

Well get myself down there when i can, not be this weekend though, going to Stafford with NPN on Saturday so might spend what little money i have got LOL.      :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 03, 2017, 07:34:46 pm
From what I have seen of NPNs stock it might be an expensive day out, enjoy  :D

When you are ready to splash out on the vacuum might be worth checking if they have it in stock. I had to order via the web site for collection. Not a problem, very quick. Could save you a wasted journey.  :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on February 04, 2017, 03:36:18 am
From what I have seen of NPNs stock it might be an expensive day out, enjoy  :D

When you are ready to splash out on the vacuum might be worth checking if they have it in stock. I had to order via the web site for collection. Not a problem, very quick. Could save you a wasted journey.  :beers:

 :beers: for that Keith, i am hoping it will be a brilliant day, in fact i am sure it will, you will be seeing a very young kid going around with his eyes agog...LOL   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 09, 2017, 05:19:46 pm
I have been busy FULLY Retiring for the past couple of weeks so progress on Sonmel has been a bit slow. We have also had some hard landscaping done in the garden which has also kept me busy.

However, I have made some progress, shown below.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-090317171222-493972279.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-090317171222-493801397.jpeg)

This is all very temporary at the moment, just seeing how things might look.

I will now have a hunt around the forum and see what you guys and gals have been up to over the past few weeks.

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on March 09, 2017, 05:50:04 pm
Looking good Keith.
Full retirement must feel good. I'm down to 3 days per week-perhaps for another 15 months before I retire fully.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 09, 2017, 05:55:32 pm
Looking good Keith.
Full retirement must feel good. I'm down to 3 days per week-perhaps for another 15 months before I retire fully.

Thanks Martin. technically I am on holiday until the end of the month. However, having given back my office laptop and mobile I am rather uncontactable.  :)

I did 3 days a week for 2 1/2 years until I finally decided that 4 day weekends were just not long enough to fit everything in! Already enjoying the flexibility, great weather here today, so bit of gardening in the morning, beach in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 09, 2017, 05:56:00 pm
Thanks for the update, Keith. Very good to see renewed progress.

Alas, it will be quite a few years before I can retire. Meanwhile, I'm collecting all the rolling stock for a planned, future larger layout.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on March 09, 2017, 06:59:55 pm
Looking good Keith.
Full retirement must feel good. I'm down to 3 days per week-perhaps for another 15 months before I retire fully.

Thanks Martin. technically I am on holiday until the end of the month. However, having given back my office laptop and mobile I am rather uncontactable.  :)

I did 3 days a week for 2 1/2 years until I finally decided that 4 day weekends were just not long enough to fit everything in! Already enjoying the flexibility, great weather here today, so bit of gardening in the morning, beach in the afternoon.
Sounds good to me. I currently do 4 day weekends and you are correct, just not long enough to do everything we want to do.
No chance of the beach here today though-dank, drizzly, dark and dismal all day.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 10, 2017, 05:08:32 am
Looking good Keith.
Full retirement must feel good. I'm down to 3 days per week-perhaps for another 15 months before I retire fully.

Thanks Martin. technically I am on holiday until the end of the month. However, having given back my office laptop and mobile I am rather uncontactable.  :)

I did 3 days a week for 2 1/2 years until I finally decided that 4 day weekends were just not long enough to fit everything in! Already enjoying the flexibility, great weather here today, so bit of gardening in the morning, beach in the afternoon.

It is looking good Keith, one thing though, have you thought how the lorry is going to go down the mountain yet, cant see a road, unless you are thinking of cutting through your mountain and having a road cut across the line down to the valley, it would look great i think.

Well i have a week to go before being made redundant and then 6 months until i fully retire, can’t see me getting any work until then so i suppose i am retired after the 17th of this month, really looking forward to getting back to doing some thing on my layout again.

Keep up the great work Keith.   Happy Modelling       :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 10, 2017, 12:03:47 pm
Thanks Steamie.

Good luck with the redundancy, happened to me a few years back and it turned into quite an opportunity with a bit of luck and some perseverance. Sounds like you could turn it into earlier than planned retirement if resources allow.

The lorry will eventually live at low level so it will not need to travel up and down. However, I will have to get quarry equipment up at some time in the future, as well as workers. I don't think that I have enough space for a road but I do have some ideas for both the equipment and the workers. Still just a cunning plan at the moment, watch this space for future developments.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 11, 2017, 02:10:32 am
Thanks Steamie.

Good luck with the redundancy, happened to me a few years back and it turned into quite an opportunity with a bit of luck and some perseverance. Sounds like you could turn it into earlier than planned retirement if resources allow.

The lorry will eventually live at low level so it will not need to travel up and down. However, I will have to get quarry equipment up at some time in the future, as well as workers. I don't think that I have enough space for a road but I do have some ideas for both the equipment and the workers. Still just a cunning plan at the moment, watch this space for future developments.

Thanks Keith, the redundancy is a bit of a stressful time at the moment.

Maybe a overhead chair lift, a cable car or even the mountaineers carrying the equipment up for the quarry  :laugh3: Seriously we are looking forward to more of your layout Keith.         Happy Modelling.     :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 11, 2017, 08:02:19 pm
Try to keep smiling Steamie. :)

Mountaineers will appear at some time. Cable car sounds like a good idea, more thinking time required for that. Someone also suggested mountain goats, maybe a "goat train" carrying supplies up?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Jimbo on March 12, 2017, 12:09:47 am
Techno trousers!  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 12, 2017, 09:16:07 am
Techno trousers!  :claphappy:

Thank you Jimbo. Of course, how could I forget the obvious solution  :bounce:

Must have been a senior moment on my part. Seem to be getting more frequent.  :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 12, 2017, 11:10:43 am
I had planned for today to be a gardening day. However, rain has stopped outside play, so it's indoor play in the cave.

In preparation for getting the quarry fully operational again power will be required. Keith has therefore procured some wooden poles (currently drying after being dipped in preservative) to carry a power cable up.

Once dry they will be installed alongside the track ready for rigging the cable. Any thoughts on pole spacing would be appreciated. I am thinking 100  to 150 feet?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 12, 2017, 11:30:44 am
Stand down chaps. Just found the UK Power Networks design manual online, amazing this google thingey. It would seem max span is 70 metres.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 14, 2017, 05:33:08 pm
In a sudden burst of enthusiasm the pole erection team have commandeered a couple of the newly purchased hopper wagons before they could get to the paint shop (the wagons that is)!

The brand new class 04 was put into action to run them up to the quarry.

After much huffing and puffing (all done by manual labour) the first poles were erected.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-140317172444-495542179.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-140317172445-49558712.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-140317172447-49559519.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 14, 2017, 06:45:36 pm
Thank you, Keith, for these three very nice photos. I always enjoy seeing the 'Little People' in place. The Class 04 is a lovely model but the NCB on the cabsides should be changed?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on March 14, 2017, 08:55:08 pm
Great stuff Keith.
Those little people look so good and really bring things to life.
And that 04 looks really good in yellow.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 15, 2017, 04:03:22 pm
Thank you, Keith, for these three very nice photos. I always enjoy seeing the 'Little People' in place. The Class 04 is a lovely model but the NCB on the cabsides should be changed?

You are right Chris, although it's too new to change just yet. Unless I can think of an alternative meaning for the acronym in relation to Sonmel... :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 16, 2017, 06:34:33 am
In a sudden burst of enthusiasm the pole erection team have commandeered a couple of the newly purchased hopper wagons before they could get to the paint shop (the wagons that is)!

The brand new class 04 was put into action to run them up to the quarry.

After much huffing and puffing (all done by manual labour) the first poles were erected.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-140317172444-495542179.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-140317172445-49558712.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-140317172447-49559519.jpeg[/url])


Really great photo’s Keith and i love the little people also, but shouldn’t one or two of them be leaning on shovels or something   lol.     :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:

Keep the photo’s coming Keith.      :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Bealman on March 16, 2017, 06:51:19 am
I like the livery on that little 04..... NCB, I note. Does that mean I could run one on a 50s - 60s period layout?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 16, 2017, 07:15:41 am
According to my quick search they were built between 1952 and 1962. Looks like you have found your next purchase George.  :)

I got mine in a sale from Rails earlier this year, very good price.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Bealman on March 16, 2017, 07:48:48 am
Thanks for that!  :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 16, 2017, 04:43:50 pm
Encouraged by the prospect of power arriving at the quarry soon preparations have begun for installing the required plant.

Mock-ups have been made of rock handling, conveyors and wagon loading facilities.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-160317163629-49614289.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-160317163633-4964223.jpeg)

 
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 17, 2017, 05:07:00 am
That looks great Keith, it looks a lot like my Coal Distribution on Roedann Viaduct, great to see another layout with something else other than stations.      Happy Modelling Keith.      :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Webbo on March 17, 2017, 07:10:15 am
Ditto on Steamie's comments, Keith.

Steamie, we are wondering what's happening with Roedann Viaduct?

Webbo
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 17, 2017, 12:39:33 pm
That looks great Keith, it looks a lot like my Coal Distribution on Roedann Viaduct, great to see another layout with something else other than stations.      Happy Modelling Keith.      :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks Steamie. I've just had look at your conveyors on Roedann. Am I right in saying that they are card covered with "corrugated" effect paper? Inspired by your work I am looking to do something similar (and hopefully as good). I will probably build in plasticard and then add corrugations later.  :helpneededsign:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 17, 2017, 02:56:02 pm
Ditto on Steamie's comments, Keith.

Steamie, we are wondering what's happening with Roedann Viaduct?

Webbo

Well Webbo with all the aggro with the redundancy i haven’t had the inkling to do anything with it, but don’t worry i am going to get on with it next week and hopefully the roundhouse will be finished.   :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 17, 2017, 03:19:55 pm
That looks great Keith, it looks a lot like my Coal Distribution on Roedann Viaduct, great to see another layout with something else other than stations.      Happy Modelling Keith.      :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks Steamie. I've just had look at your conveyors on Roedann. Am I right in saying that they are card covered with "corrugated" effect paper? Inspired by your work I am looking to do something similar (and hopefully as good). I will probably build in plasticard and then add corrugations later.  :helpneededsign:

Thanks Keith, but they aren’t made from card, they are coffee stirrers, i put 3 end to end then 2 lengths of the 3 end to end side by side, then 4 to make a box, with 4 more put on an angle for the roof, it sounds complicated but it is really easy to do, you then can cut them to the length you require. I then used corrugated plasticard for the sides and then used this stuff for the roof.

Corrugated Sheet Grey Redutex 148TI111, it is like rubber and really easy to apply, it also comes in roof tiles, you can get it from DCC Supplies.

If you look again at the photo’s in my gallery you will see the Coal Distribution Photos and you will have a better idea on them.   Happy Modelling Keith :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 17, 2017, 07:32:02 pm
Excellent Steamie, thank you for the explanation. I will use the card formers I have already made in place of your coffee stirrers. Saves me a job and I have run out of coffee stirrers (I think that Waitrose have got wise to their usefulness and don't have them laying around all over the place anymore!). I can easily add a card strip along the top to form the ridge. Then I can add an outer layer of plasticard. Thank you for the link to the material that you used for the conveyor roofing. I have not come across this before, will order some. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: outofgauge on March 17, 2017, 08:47:48 pm
Hi Keith-just a quick one -ngineer on shape ways does some conveyors if your interested -just the Base roller belt -no top cover thought don't know if that's any good to you ?

Regards

Neil
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 18, 2017, 07:04:49 am
Hi Keith-just a quick one -ngineer on shape ways does some conveyors if your interested -just the Base roller belt -no top cover thought don't know if that's any good to you ?

Regards

Neil

Thanks Neil. I was not aware of the Shapeways website. Amazing stuff on there, but not cheap!  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 18, 2017, 07:32:36 am
Hi Keith-just a quick one -ngineer on shape ways does some conveyors if your interested -just the Base roller belt -no top cover thought don't know if that's any good to you ?

Regards

Neil

Thanks Neil. I was not aware of the Shapeways website. Amazing stuff on there, but not cheap!  :thankyousign:

They are not the cheapest, i bought a brick template from them and the cost including postage was a bit to much IMO, a covered conveyer is what is needed on your quarry Keith because i don’t think a ready made would get up to the top of your distribution tower would it ?    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: outofgauge on March 18, 2017, 08:42:22 am
There is another guy on eBay-goes under Dapr he does unusual items as well -it's one of those keith-it's not mainstream -so you have to pay more. Like steamie + says thought -its got to go some height on your mockups maybe home grown is best -keep us informed. There's a whole load of plastic sections out there to build with the evergreen selection seems endless !

Regards

Neil
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 19, 2017, 05:10:39 pm
There is another guy on eBay-goes under Dapr he does unusual items as well -it's one of those keith-it's not mainstream -so you have to pay more. Like steamie + says thought -its got to go some height on your mockups maybe home grown is best -keep us informed. There's a whole load of plastic sections out there to build with the evergreen selection seems endless !

Regards

Neil

Thanks Neil. Yes, I have seen the Dapr stuff on eBay. Do you know of anyone who has used his stuff?

As Steamie said the length that I require means that I will have to scratch build. I have started this today, to also include a small building where I will have a change in direction of the conveyor. Really enjoyed it although I have to order some corrugated sheeting for the roofing. Just primed what I have built so far.


Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: outofgauge on March 19, 2017, 05:57:35 pm
Bought some of his skips-because the merit/ peco scene looked rubbish (pardon the pun ) his stuff looks OK to me -in the point of a building to change direction it would be a hopper ? One conveyor feeds in the top -second conveyor goes from the bottom ?? Have I got it right ? If so are you just going for a tower no internal details or are you going for an open affair using girders/ braces and the like ?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 19, 2017, 07:07:31 pm
Thanks for the info on Dapr. I quite like the look of the converted shipping containers.

Yes, one conveyor drops material onto another. This aspect aspect will be hidden inside my building. However, the building will be elevated on a tower of some description. Currently assessing whether I have enough spare parts from my Walthers kit or whether I will have to scratch build the tower.  :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 20, 2017, 05:50:58 pm
Scratch build it Keith, you will enjoy the thought that it is unique, has no one else with have anything like the one you make. All you need to do is take your time and think about how you would go about, looking at various photo’s will help enormously.      :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 20, 2017, 08:37:15 pm
Certainly a strong contender for scratch building Steamie. Not done any work on the layout today but pleased with my efforts to date on the conveyor and building. Need to put together a shopping list for structural sections for the tower. I have some beams but they are prototype 2+ feet deep, bit over the top for a tower.  :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: outofgauge on March 20, 2017, 08:55:25 pm
Keith -I'm a structural welder/ steel erector -24"×12" wouldn't be uncommon! Our industrial unit has some quite close for the uprights ! It's all to do with the twist action -and depending on how much your hopper up there holds -wouldn't be a silly as you think !!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 22, 2017, 05:31:50 am
I agree with outofgauge Keith, it would be ok, you have to remember what it is supporting in real life, but you can always get some slightly smaller beam and do a mock up to see if it looks ok.

It’s your layout after all Keith and if it looks right to you, but do please don’t give up on scratch building Keith, once you have done something no matter how small, (My1st attempt was the Coal Staithes) on Roedann Viaduct, you will get so much satisfaction from doing it i promise you.     :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 22, 2017, 07:58:14 am
 :thankyousign: for the feedback and encouragement guys. No worries, scratch build be the way. Currently negotiating with the finance department and the steel stockholders. Looks like an order will be placed today. Probably order a variety of sections, makes the postage look less :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 22, 2017, 08:10:00 am
:thankyousign: for the feedback and encouragement guys. No worries, scratch build be the way. Currently negotiating with the finance department and the steel stockholders. Looks like an order will be placed today. Probably order a variety of sections, makes the postage look less :D

Try and get it interest free Keith.       :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 22, 2017, 08:15:33 am
:thankyousign: for the feedback and encouragement guys. No worries, scratch build be the way. Currently negotiating with the finance department and the steel stockholders. Looks like an order will be placed today. Probably order a variety of sections, makes the postage look less :D

Try and get it interest free Keith.       :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:



Hopefully there will be plenty of interest.... :claphappy:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 22, 2017, 08:16:40 am
:thankyousign: for the feedback and encouragement guys. No worries, scratch build be the way. Currently negotiating with the finance department and the steel stockholders. Looks like an order will be placed today. Probably order a variety of sections, makes the postage look less :D

Try and get it interest free Keith.       :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:



Hopefully there will be plenty of interest.... :claphappy:

 :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 24, 2017, 05:46:03 pm
Much excitement on Sonmel today as there was a shipment of many tonnes (well grams actually) of structural steelwork from the mainland.

After furious cutting and welding the support structure for the mine conveyors begins to take shape. (There was a bit of a delay as the lawns had to be mowed first,  :))

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/5078-240317173722-500931585.jpeg)

Further cross bracing needs to be added before the structure is finally assembled and moved into place.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on March 26, 2017, 12:42:28 pm
I have been busy FULLY Retiring for the past couple of weeks so progress on Sonmel has been a bit slow. We have also had some hard landscaping done in the garden which has also kept me busy.

However, I have made some progress, shown below.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-090317171222-493972279.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-090317171222-493801397.jpeg[/url])

This is all very temporary at the moment, just seeing how things might look.

I will now have a hunt around the forum and see what you guys and gals have been up to over the past few weeks.


Looks great Keith, that Horton Sphere there, reminds me of the large tank farm hidden in a shale bing on the outskirts of Edinburgh that I used to work at :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on March 26, 2017, 07:31:37 pm
Just caught up with your thread Keith, like the way the conveyor is coming together, look forward to seeing how your scratchbuilding comes along, looking for some inspiration :)

been wracking my brains for an idea on NCB (similar to the way I hi-jacked BP to be Blackford Petroleum) .... best I can come up with so far is Norris Crag Boulders :) but give me an hour in the African sun tomorrow & I might come up with something else (other than sun stroke)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 28, 2017, 04:31:31 pm
The support structure for the conveyors is now assembled.

Here it is ready to leave the fabrication shop:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/5078-280317155519-50389168.jpeg)

And just to show how it might look when it is transported up to the mine.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/5078-280317155522-503991495.jpeg)

It needs to be painted prior to moving...
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on March 28, 2017, 05:34:58 pm
the second picture is very well framed :)

Great work, great looking structure

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 29, 2017, 07:56:51 am
Looks superb Keith, it’s better on the inside now don’t you think.      :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 29, 2017, 10:54:41 am
the second picture is very well framed :)

Great work, great looking structure

Cheers,
Andrew

Thank you Andrew. Rather intricate but quite pleased with the end result. I had already built the building to go on top but the tower changed dimensions from planned during construction. So now need to build new building. Bit like real construction... :'(

How is the sun?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 29, 2017, 11:03:32 am
Looks superb Keith, it’s better on the inside now don’t you think.      :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Many thanks Steamie, much appreciated. Your feedback was good. :thumbsup:

Rebuilding has caused some more work, see above post. But that's my fault so hey ho no problem.

Redutex is currently out of stock so I am experimenting with different ways of making corrugated iron from scratch. Not entirely pleased with any outcome so far, but no rush. I did buy some ratio stuff, on-line so unseen. It is very thick and seems to be a bit over scaled to me. Best results so far with kitchen foil, but that is too thin. I have just discovered some old foil baking trays, need to "upcycle" one and see how that looks.


Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on March 29, 2017, 03:30:28 pm
too hot to handle!

Have you tried printing corrugated overlay?  I used that technique for the interior of my garage

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/main_33878.jpg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 29, 2017, 07:53:06 pm
  :thankyousign: Looks very good. Something I have not considered to date. I have so far favoured plastic over card. I have had a Metcalfe kit unbuilt for 12 months now!

However, I have yet to find a home made technique that I am happy with.

I have the scalescenes website currently bookmarked. Did you use theirs? What quality of card / paper did you print onto?

Maybe I should risk a couple of quid on a download :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on March 30, 2017, 10:28:17 am
I didn't do anything more complicated than a google images search for N Gauge corrugated iron & got a picture I could use... it was then just printed onto ordinary paper.  this was an internal office for a garage that won't normally be seen, but I plan to detail the interior so that the roof can be lifted off to reveal what is going on inside.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 30, 2017, 02:48:34 pm
I didn't do anything more complicated than a google images search for N Gauge corrugated iron & got a picture I could use... it was then just printed onto ordinary paper.  this was an internal office for a garage that won't normally be seen, but I plan to detail the interior so that the roof can be lifted off to reveal what is going on inside.

 :thankyousign: Andrew.

A good, simple and pragmatic solution!! (Keith fires up new browser window and starts searching....)

Do be careful in that sun.  ;)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on April 02, 2017, 08:12:36 pm
Great weather has delayed progress as we have been spending time in the garden and on the beach.

However, the tower has been primed, new building constructed and many experiments conducted regarding modelling corrugated iron. I think that I have found an acceptable solution. We will see what a new day and objective appraisal brings...  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on April 02, 2017, 08:18:39 pm
It is indeed difficult at this time of year. We've been gardening then a cliff too walk because it's been so nice today.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on April 17, 2017, 05:18:21 pm
Great weather has delayed progress as we have been spending time in the garden and on the beach.

However, the tower has been primed, new building constructed and many experiments conducted regarding modelling corrugated iron. I think that I have found an acceptable solution. We will see what a new day and objective appraisal brings...  :hmmm:

As you may have gathered by the lack of posts, the objective appraisal did not go well  :no:

Complete re-build was the prognosis. This has now happened and I am much happier with the result. Progress is now delayed by lack of a shipment of corrugated iron from the mainland (DCC are expecting a delivery of redutex in about a month  :'( ) Whilst I have found that metal foil "corrugated" with various bottle tops is OK I am not entirely sure that it is of the required quality. I shall continue to investigate different bottle tops, primarily those associated with vino. (Oh well you have to take the rough with the smooth.  :goggleeyes: )

In the meantime I have been messing around with rock crusher models. Much styrene sheet later I think that I am beginning to get somewhere..

As I have said somewhere before, no rush, no pressure, it will get done when it gets done.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 17, 2017, 08:52:02 pm
Thanks for the update, Keith. Looking forward to seeing the photos. of the results. I'm sure that the extra work will have been worth it.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on April 19, 2017, 07:12:05 am
I think most people are of the same thought Keith, although here we aren’t getting the same temperatures has down South. I haven't really done a lot myself on my layout due to lack of funds.

The wait for the Redutex will be worth it Keith, you will find it is so easy to use and you can weather it to suit you very easily.

Happy Modelling.      :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 15, 2017, 10:30:17 am
A wet morning here today so a chance to catch up on things.

Still waiting for the Redutex corrugated sheeting to arrive, but the first picture shows some progress on the support tower, rock crusher and conveyors as far as I can go at the moment.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/5078-150517095420-518331188.jpeg)

I have also been working (slowly, when not outside) on the first accommodation on the island:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/5078-150517095620-51839826.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on May 15, 2017, 11:15:06 am
A wet morning here today so a chance to catch up on things.

Still waiting for the Redutex corrugated sheeting to arrive, but the first picture shows some progress on the support tower, rock crusher and conveyors as far as I can go at the moment.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/5078-150517095420-518331188.jpeg[/url])

I have also been working (slowly, when not outside) on the first accommodation on the island:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/5078-150517095620-51839826.jpeg[/url])


Thats very good Keith, like your Granite Distribution very well made, it will be worth the wait Keith for the Redtex i promise you, if i had any left i would of sent it to you. Happy Modelling Keith.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on May 15, 2017, 11:36:29 am
The row of houses looks very good.
Love the water butts-a nice touch.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 15, 2017, 11:56:52 am
The row of houses looks very good.
Love the water butts-a nice touch.

Thanks PP. The water butts were not originally planned. The terrace is a kestrel kit. Good model but the gutter and downpipes seemed to be massively over scale. I bought some Ratio gutters and downpipes, much better scale. BUT the down pipes were a tad short. So cue some ratio barrels suitably converted. Necessity the being mother of invention and all that...
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 15, 2017, 12:00:26 pm
Thank you Steamie. No real problem with the wait for the redutex. No rush, and more "thinking and planning" time!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 15, 2017, 12:29:39 pm
Thanks for the update, Keith. Looking very good. I agree with you about replacing the Kestrel kit gutters and downpipes with Ratio ones as I plan to do the same and have plenty of the Ratio ones painted and ready for use.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Innovationgame on May 15, 2017, 12:49:02 pm
The quarry looks very good, as do the houses.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 15, 2017, 07:58:25 pm
Thanks for the update, Keith. Looking very good. I agree with you about replacing the Kestrel kit gutters and downpipes with Ratio ones as I plan to do the same and have plenty of the Ratio ones painted and ready for use.

Thanks Chris, don't forget the the Ratio downpipes are bungalow sized. You may need water butts too  ;)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 15, 2017, 08:18:13 pm
Thanks for the update, Keith. Looking very good. I agree with you about replacing the Kestrel kit gutters and downpipes with Ratio ones as I plan to do the same and have plenty of the Ratio ones painted and ready for use.

Thanks Chris, don't forget the the Ratio downpipes are bungalow sized. You may need water butts too  ;)

Thanks, Keith. If necessary, I plan to glue parts of Ratio downpipes together to make longer ones.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 15, 2017, 08:35:40 pm
Thanks for the update, Keith. Looking very good. I agree with you about replacing the Kestrel kit gutters and downpipes with Ratio ones as I plan to do the same and have plenty of the Ratio ones painted and ready for use.

Wow Chris, mighty intricate work. I thought about that and went for the water butt option instead.  :smiley-laughing:

Thanks Chris, don't forget the the Ratio downpipes are bungalow sized. You may need water butts too  ;)

Thanks, Keith. If necessary, I plan to glue parts of Ratio downpipes together to make longer ones.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 15, 2017, 09:06:35 pm
One advantage of being short-sighted is that such close-up work (without glasses) is quite easy.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on May 16, 2017, 08:33:52 am
Thank you Steamie. No real problem with the wait for the redutex. No rush, and more "thinking and planning" time!

Yes your right there Keith, thinking and planning is good.   :laugh3: :laugh3:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 18, 2017, 07:34:11 am
Thank you Steamie. No real problem with the wait for the redutex. No rush, and more "thinking and planning" time!

Yes your right there Keith, thinking and planning is good.   :laugh3: :laugh3:

And of course, train running...
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Innovationgame on May 18, 2017, 07:38:35 am
And of course, train running...
After all, what's the point of a model railway if you don't run any trains?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on May 18, 2017, 07:49:17 am
And of course, train running...
After all, what's the point of a model railway if you don't run any trains?
Thank you Steamie. No real problem with the wait for the redutex. No rush, and more "thinking and planning" time!

Yes your right there Keith, thinking and planning is good.   :laugh3: :laugh3:

And of course, train running...

Of course, silly me.    :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on May 23, 2017, 12:06:52 pm
Looking good keith, I also liked the water butt idea, the house occupants seem to have adopted the Tobermory approach to colour co-ordination :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 08, 2017, 05:39:56 pm
Thanks Andrew, apologies for the delay - just back from hols.

The house occupants were "directed" to adopt a colourful approach to exterior colour.  ;)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: joe cassidy on June 08, 2017, 06:41:19 pm
I used to live in Alresford, Hampshire.

Apparently people who live in the main street really are "directed" as to what colour they may paint the facade of their house.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on June 09, 2017, 06:00:18 am
Hope you had a brilliant holiday Keith. Looking forward to more on your layout soon.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 09, 2017, 07:01:44 am
Hope you had a brilliant holiday Keith. Looking forward to more on your layout soon.   :thumbsup:

Seconded! 8-)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 09, 2017, 01:29:15 pm
I used to live in Alresford, Hampshire.

Apparently people who live in the main street really are "directed" as to what colour they may paint the facade of their house.

Best regards,


Joe

Thanks Joe, I believe that this is the case in a few locations. Sonmel is influenced by many things, one of which is the use of green paint for windows and doors as on Lanzarote. However, unlike Lanzarote buildings can be colours other than white.....
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 09, 2017, 01:32:10 pm
Hope you had a brilliant holiday Keith. Looking forward to more on your layout soon.   :thumbsup:

Seconded! 8-)

Thank you guys. Back refreshed although many things to do in the garden at the moment. Lots of new ideas whilst away and many pictures of rock formations.... also good news is that the Redutex now has a delivery date of mid June. I may be able to finish the conveyors soon...
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 05, 2017, 01:00:16 pm
Hooray, long awaited Redutex has arrived in the post today. Looks to be very good.

However, it's clear blue skies and 26 degrees here so off to the beach for a swim in the sea this afternoon  8)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Webbo on July 06, 2017, 01:29:01 am
Hooray, long awaited Redutex has arrived in the post today. Looks to be very good.

However, it's clear blue skies and 26 degrees here so off to the beach for a swim in the sea this afternoon  8)

Hi Keith

Didn't know what Redutex was until I Googled it just now. Looks like interesting stuff.

Lucky you with the beach handy. Swimming a bit chilly here at my latitude this time of the year, but a nice sunny day is coming up.

Webbo
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 06, 2017, 07:36:41 am
Hi Webbo. Steamie put me on to the Redutex. It looks to be really good. I will find how easy it is to work with when the English summer ends (which could be tomorrow...). As you will probably have seen they do a variety of "materials", all at n scale.

I will post pictures when I have made some progress. However, hot again today (can't claim that the sea is, but this is England after all) so may well be the beach again this afternoon.  8)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 07, 2017, 08:37:07 pm
Thought I would try out the Redutex on one of the quarry buildings first. Larger area than the conveyors so better chance to get used to working with the material.

Here is a naked (can I use that word on here??) building:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-070717202344-53202129.jpeg)

This shows the only plain side of the building. I didn't think ahead that the other three sides all have openings in them.  :doh:

Note to self, need to correct the drooping access platform half way up.

However, after much careful knife work a corrugated steel clad building was created:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-070717202343-531992058.jpeg)

Now need to put the roof on and clad that.

Many thanks to Steamie for the recommendation. Great stuff,  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: dannyboy on July 07, 2017, 11:06:24 pm
That "careful knife work" looks good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: dannyboy on July 08, 2017, 02:37:38 pm
@keithbythe sea (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5078)
I am guessing the "careful knife work" is just a question of scoring the redutex with the knife against a straight edge? Is it an easy material to cut/score?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 08, 2017, 08:09:13 pm
@keithbythe sea ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5078[/url])
I am guessing the "careful knife work" is just a question of scoring the redutex with the knife against a straight edge? Is it an easy material to cut/score?


Overplaying my skill levels really. I can best describe the Redutex as a reasonably soft rubber like material. It is self adhesive with a removable paper layer at the back. Really easy to cut with a new sharp craft knife. Only problem I found was that if you cut "face up" the backing paper tends to want to slide around on the cutting mat. You can cut face down, which for my corrugated steel is not ideal as you can't see the corrugations. Great material, really pleased with it.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on July 09, 2017, 06:32:10 am
Thought I would try out the Redutex on one of the quarry buildings first. Larger area than the conveyors so better chance to get used to working with the material.

Here is a naked (can I use that word on here??) building:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-070717202344-53202129.jpeg[/url])

This shows the only plain side of the building. I didn't think ahead that the other three sides all have openings in them.  :doh:

Note to self, need to correct the drooping access platform half way up.

However, after much careful knife work a corrugated steel clad building was created:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-070717202343-531992058.jpeg[/url])

Now need to put the roof on and clad that.

Many thanks to Steamie for the recommendation. Great stuff,  :thankyousign:


Great to see that you have done a brilliant job Keith it looks really impressive.  :thumbsup:

One tip for you, if you place the Redutex on your building slightly oversize before cutting, you can get the corrugated to match up better, you only need to be about 2mm.

Have you tried any off their other stuff, i have bought some walling i am going to try on Roedann Viaduct when i get myself sorted, (on here without Anne knowing at the moment).   Happy Modelling Keith, and hope to see more of your great layout.   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 11, 2017, 05:47:32 pm

Great to see that you have done a brilliant job Keith it looks really impressive.  :thumbsup:

One tip for you, if you place the Redutex on your building slightly oversize before cutting, you can get the corrugated to match up better, you only need to be about 2mm.

Have you tried any off their other stuff, i have bought some walling i am going to try on Roedann Viaduct when i get myself sorted, (on here without Anne knowing at the moment).   Happy Modelling Keith, and hope to see more of your great layout.   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks Steamie, that's a really good point. I nearly got there myself thinking about how I would put the roof on!

With regards to other Redutex, I have been looking at their paving range. I am working on the fourth (at least) version of my harbour walls and like the look of the stone setts. I have also found that Vollmer do a range of textured card. I can see the advantages of card for walling and flat surfaces but Redutex will win every time for apex style roofing or curves.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 11, 2017, 06:36:41 pm
And on goes the roof...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-110717173636-53269128.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 11, 2017, 06:42:34 pm
Really excellent work, Keith.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 12, 2017, 07:37:12 pm
With enthusiasm high the cladding crew quickly moved on to the conveyor, a full sides and roofing job, and put a roof on to part of the rock crusher unit.

Max X Posure, the island photographer, chartered a helicopter to capture some footage from the "sea" side of the island.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-110717173643-532731189.jpeg)

Not one to miss an opportunity he got the pilot to fly down lower to capture a sneak preview of a Class 22 hauling some recently re-painted hopper wagons on their way from the paint shop.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-110717173638-532711294.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 12, 2017, 08:25:58 pm
Thanks for the update, Keith. The rock crusher looks excellent.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on July 13, 2017, 10:36:05 am
And on goes the roof...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-110717173636-53269128.jpeg[/url])


Brilliant job Keith, well done. Now on to bigger things hey..  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: GoodsYard on July 16, 2017, 06:02:18 pm
Those hoppers look grand in their new paint work, props on the layout its looking grand.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 20, 2017, 04:27:43 pm
A major change... a large hole has appeared in the quarry floor  :o

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-110717173646-53274356.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: mika on July 21, 2017, 03:01:45 pm
Intriguing!
Is it a diamond mine? :confused1: :doh: :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: weave on July 21, 2017, 03:52:29 pm
Sorry, couldn't resist....

https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7344/10363840764_273d7bb244_b.jpg

Anyway, yours looks far more comfortable.

Still thinking of proper answer.

Thunderbirds Tracey Island?

Sorry again, been in the sun.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on July 22, 2017, 03:04:25 pm

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-110717173638-532711294.jpeg[/url])


Looks like Max also grabbed a photo of a secret nuclear reactor in the background.... adding weight to the tracey island theory :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 25, 2017, 07:56:26 am
Thank you for your replies...
Not a diamond mine. I like the idea, maybe a future layout will have a multiple level mine, with a helix running around it. Where are my calm pills...

Mrs Keithbythe sea says I can't have a layout in the bathroom (nice idea, but NPN would be very concerned that there is no edge protection...)

Not a nuclear reactor, the base of my desk light, temporarily installed in the harbour for extra lighting for the photos. Another idea for the future, no stop.

It's an access hole for the inevitable derailments and track cleaning under the quarry. The original plan had one but my enthusiasm to get trains running meant that it was deemed to be an "unnecessary delay". As always real life has struck and out came the drill and saw...

However, it does mean that I can build the quarry floor detail as a separate model on plasticard base.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on July 25, 2017, 08:39:07 am

However, it does mean that I can build the quarry floor detail as a separate model on plasticard base.


Knew there would be a silver lining in there somewhere, or as it is a mining theme, maybe that should be a silver seam :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on July 25, 2017, 08:43:35 am
I thought that hole was something to do with a Thunderbirds launch pad and that Lady Penelope would turn up somewhere.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on July 25, 2017, 10:29:21 pm
with reference to your query on my thread, I have a few cranes, far more than a preservation society needs, even for canabalising spares from!  Sure we can come to some arrangement :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 26, 2017, 07:09:20 am
Thank you Andrew. I'm after a land based crane (rather than rail). Because of Sonmel's back story I can be very flexible on type and era. I will pm you.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 02, 2017, 05:25:11 pm
Very wet here today, so a chance to run some trains and have a general play (take stock of progress). Also fitted and glazed 16 windows, 2 doors and built 8 walls.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 10, 2017, 05:22:46 pm
After another wet Wednesday down here yesterday, all of the painting, glazing and assembly has produced a result...

Primed components:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-100817171254-541541920.jpeg)

Painted components:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-100817171254-54163694.jpeg)

Also including some painted pallets and drums (missing drum eventually found on floor of man cave without embedding it in my knee)

Assembled components, just the staircase and handrails to finish:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-100817171437-541642025.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 16, 2017, 05:00:14 pm
Concern grows surrounding the mystery of the hole in the bottom of the quarry. There is much speculation as to what may be found....

The trusty class 04 is despatched with a mixed load of tools and supplies:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-160817165428-54294740.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on August 16, 2017, 05:26:57 pm
I hope the mystery is solved soon.
By the way, the 04 does look good in kellow (I have a boring old green one).
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 16, 2017, 05:39:50 pm
Thanks for the update, Keith. That is a very attractive little goods train. However, somehow, the guard in his brake van seems to have been left behind?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 17, 2017, 05:00:44 pm
Hi Chris, thank you for the feedback, you are correct. As a private island Sonmel sometimes strays from normally accepted procedures. Indeed last year there was an incident involving staff working at height without safety harnesses which sparked some debate here.

However, the forum seems to operate in a very flexible part of the space-time continuum. This has allowed me to post pictures of the following (or is that preceding?) events showing a different version of reality. Or is this the real version of events? Ooh, my brain is beginning to hurt, nurse the screens please...:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-170817164113-543031413.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-170817164113-54295440.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-170817164117-5430470.jpeg)

The guards van is detached in the quarry siding allowing the tools and equipment to be delivered closer to the work place.

PS I'm still trying to remember where I parked the De Lorean so that I can get to the Thomas weekend at the Perthshire Preservation Society  :hmmm:

 
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 17, 2017, 05:04:54 pm

By the way, the 04 does look good in kellow (I have a boring old green one).

Yes, Martin, it's a jolly fellow in yellow. Not sure about other colours being boring though. Rails have the 04 on offer at the moment, I have been contemplating buying another in blue. However, I may well have to wait until Christmas due to budgetary constraints... :(
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 17, 2017, 07:52:57 pm
Thanks, Keith. The yellow brake van looks very fine. I hope the guard has forgiven the train's driver for setting off without him and his van! 8-)

Yes, indeed, this forum does seem to operate in a very flexible part of the space-time continuum. 8-)))
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 20, 2017, 04:36:00 pm
A phone call from Jeff Tracy to keithbythe sea finally resolves the mystery of the quarry. Jeff explains that essential maintenance work to the swimming pool on Tracy Island required a re-deployment of TB1. As is well known, operations from Tracy Island are held in strict secrecy. The re-deployment was therefore kept secret even from the owner of the new temporary base.

However, Max X Posure, captured a sneak snap of the final lift off:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-200817162302-5434310.jpeg)

With TB operations now completed work on re-opening the Sonmel quarry can proceed again.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 20, 2017, 04:46:04 pm
Excellent, Keith. Thanks for this fun update.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: RailGooner on August 20, 2017, 05:18:15 pm
F.A.B. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 22, 2017, 06:02:15 pm
New (to me) rolling stock has arrived on the island...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-220817175902-544091294.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 22, 2017, 06:59:29 pm
Very nice, Keith. The "Hymek" must have been fitted with dual (air and vacuum) brakes then to work with the new arrivals. 8-)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: mattycoops43 on August 22, 2017, 08:15:07 pm
Very nice, Keith. The "Hymek" must have been fitted with dual (air and vacuum) brakes then to work with the new arrivals. 8-)

Nooo, they are simple 'Rule 1' brakes. They can run anything quite easily! :P
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on August 22, 2017, 08:22:11 pm
Those two bridges look really good from that angle.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 23, 2017, 07:04:53 am
Very nice, Keith. The "Hymek" must have been fitted with dual (air and vacuum) brakes then to work with the new arrivals. 8-)

Nooo, they are simple 'Rule 1' brakes. They can run anything quite easily! :P

Thank you Matty. It seems that Jeff Tracy sent Brains to Sonmel to have a chat with the maintenance guys as recompense for use of the quarry.  ;)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 23, 2017, 07:06:34 am
Those two bridges look really good from that angle.

Thank you Martin. The lower bridge is still very much work in progress!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on September 26, 2017, 05:35:56 pm
Whilst work still slowly continues in the quarry, awaiting shipments of supplies from the mainland, there has been some progress down at sea level.

Development of the access road has started, with the following mock-up developed as the final(?) solution:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5078-260917172739-56162786.jpeg)

Western Sultan has been called in to action to check clearances (both height and width) for the overbridge

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5078-260917172743-561921909.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 26, 2017, 06:21:33 pm
Thanks for the latest update, Keith. Looking very good.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on September 26, 2017, 07:02:52 pm
Yes Keith. Looks good indeed.
Looks like plenty of room for Western Sultan there.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Innovationgame on September 26, 2017, 08:20:22 pm
When you use phrases like 'the final solution' it always sounds like gassing badgers.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on September 27, 2017, 07:04:33 am
No badgers on Sonmel.  :)

I am still trying to source some mountain goats....
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Bealman on September 27, 2017, 07:08:56 am
Heaps of clearance there for the sultan!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Webbo on September 27, 2017, 07:37:29 am
Keith, your photo of Western Sultan negotiating the curve really shows it to be the Sultan of Swing.

Webbo
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Bealman on September 27, 2017, 07:49:38 am
Yeah but because of the clearance, it's not in dire straits.  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 01, 2017, 10:26:09 am
Thank you for the feedback on the clearance.

Bridge construction:

Beams welded to bridge deck, (much easier to do than on the prototype), and primed:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5078-260917172743-561911900.jpeg)

Bridge beams painted in "Sonmel green":

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5078-260917172745-56193709.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 02, 2017, 05:08:05 pm
Well the Sultan might well have been swinging under the bridge with the attached Pullmans, but wait a minute. We could be in Dire Straits after all. Is that really the tallest rolling stock on the island?

“What we need is are some Private Investigations, any ideas?”
“Yeah, there’s a specialist company on the Telegraph Road, let’s call them in”.

The private investigator duly turned up on site.

“I’m so glad that you called me out, really pleased to get out of the office. We have a serious case of Industrial Disease there at the moment”.

“Oh really, I’d only heard good things about the company”.

“Oh it’s normally OK there, although I think that it’s a case of working there for Love over Gold if the truth be told. Anyway, like I say, pleased that you called me out today, and every time I’ve been here before we have no problem with the weather, It Never Rains on Sonmel”.
 
Those Private Investigations revealed that the crane is significantly higher than any locos and carriages ….(Ooops):

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5078-011017103058-56274542.jpeg)

Raising the abutment foundations by a couple of mm proved to be a very satisfactory (final) solution to the problem:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5078-011017103057-562711977.jpeg)

{Many apologies and acknowledgements to Mr Knopfler for the above dialogue based on the album "Love over Gold"}
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on October 02, 2017, 05:13:26 pm
So......your musical tastes are confirmed then.
Glad you found a solution to the problem .
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 02, 2017, 05:16:15 pm
As a big Dire Strait's fan, I enjoyed that from the very first song reference to the end, Keith. Very clever. Thanks too for the photos. As you've found, it's always wise to run your longest, widest, tallest rolling stock before fixing anything down near the track.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 02, 2017, 05:18:26 pm
So......your musical tastes are confirmed then.
Glad you found a solution to the problem .

Oh, my musical tastes are rather eclectic, more later maybe. However, Love over Gold is a good (very) album.

I'm really glad that I found that I had a problem before the serious terraforming started.  :-[
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on October 03, 2017, 11:43:56 am
Great updates Keith, and also loved the play on song titles, a lot of Alchemy happening on Somnel :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 05, 2017, 07:16:53 am
Hmmm, Alchemy, not an album in my collection. Lots of tracks, bit of a challenge there...
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 17, 2017, 05:14:31 pm
The bridge steelwork fabricators continue to fiddle, but the terraformers have been in for the first pass of the next rock formations. The road foundations have also been completed:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5078-171017170811-56780396.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on October 17, 2017, 05:27:44 pm
Looks really good.
Steady progress.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 17, 2017, 05:48:50 pm
Coming only very well, Keith.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 18, 2017, 07:18:53 am
Thank you Chris and Martin. As you say, steady progress. Mrs keithbythe sea is quite happy with this as she is worried that when I finish this layout I will be looking to build another one  :no:
I don’t know if you are fully retired yet Martin, but since I did in March I seem to have even less time...
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on October 18, 2017, 08:19:13 am
Thank you Chris and Martin. As you say, steady progress. Mrs keithbythe sea is quite happy with this as she is worried that when I finish this layout I will be looking to build another one  :no:
I don’t know if you are fully retired yet Martin, but since I did in March I seem to have even less time...
Not quite Keith.
I finish my working life at 11.30 on Thursday Nov 2nd. Mrs PP is then taking me out for lunch.
As I’m self employed, I’ve been winding down for some time but I’ll be glad to reach the big day now.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 30, 2017, 03:55:43 pm
The terraforming team have been experimenting with the next rock faces. South of the harbour the geology is dominated by volcanic ash deposits. This has posed an interesting challenge. Hopefully the trial and error process(es, and very many of them...) has resulted in something vaguely realistic (the edges need significant "tidying")...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5078-301017154759-574671602.jpeg)



Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on October 30, 2017, 04:19:40 pm
I think that is looking really impressive and realstic.
Keep up the good work Keith.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 30, 2017, 04:48:50 pm
Very nice work, Keith.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Cornishnavy on October 30, 2017, 06:01:47 pm
Hi Martin
Have you noticed the rock strata on the east cliffs on Porthtowan beach. From the horizontal to vertical within a few feet. Only five miles from Carharrack. Will need to be there at low tide unless you have surf board!
Regards
Geoff
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Train Waiting on October 30, 2017, 06:15:55 pm
That's a very nice formation, Keith.

Takes me back to my student days!

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on November 05, 2017, 07:20:14 pm
The rock face looks fantastic, hats off to the terraformers   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 06, 2017, 07:23:28 am
That's a very nice formation, Keith.

Takes me back to my student days!


Thank you John. I guess that you aren’t a geologist since you speak of your student days? Perhaps a geographer or engineer maybe?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 06, 2017, 07:25:46 am
The rock face looks fantastic, hats off to the terraformers   :thumbsup:

 :thankyousign: lots of attempts, but got there eventually!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Train Waiting on November 06, 2017, 07:33:44 am
That's a very nice formation, Keith.

Takes me back to my student days!


Thank you John. I guess that you aren’t a geologist since you speak of your student days? Perhaps a geographer or engineer maybe?  :hmmm:

Geographer.  Rarely used it for business but handy for the better things in life, such as railways - real or model!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 10, 2018, 04:17:49 pm
Terraforming has been progressing at only slightly faster than geological timescales...

However, the team have now installed the road and supporting rocks. This has also included the wing wall to the bridge abutment.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5078-100118160905-604011232.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5078-100118161152-604022441.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on January 10, 2018, 04:48:25 pm
Looks good Keith.
The rock strata and cliff face look excellent. Reminds me a bit of Shanklin on the Isle of Wight.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on January 10, 2018, 05:46:27 pm
Lets face it... that terraforming rocks   :headbang:  Cracking (or should that be fracking) stuff Keith
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 12, 2018, 07:43:51 am
Thank you Andrew and Martin.
I see what you mean about Shanklin, we were there a couple of years ago. Subliminal messages I think, not exactly what I was aiming for, but hey ho!
No fracking on Sonmel, unless of course oil supplies get short and we have to consider gas powered locos!?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 17, 2018, 09:08:18 am
The terraformers have leapt to their own defence after what they see as harsh comments about their pace of work. They have pointed out that they have been working on many other projects in recent weeks. For evidence they produce the attached example of one of their many projects...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5078-100118162429-604092240.jpeg)

{Sorry, not the correct gauge I know, but the terraformers were insistent...]
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: MARK1985 on January 17, 2018, 09:11:06 am
Think you've got a short there !  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Train Waiting on January 17, 2018, 06:40:50 pm
The terraformers have leapt to their own defence after what they see as harsh comments about their pace of work. They have pointed out that they have been working on many other projects in recent weeks. For evidence they produce the attached example of one of their many projects...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5078-100118162429-604092240.jpeg[/url])

{Sorry, not the correct gauge I know, but the terraformers were insistent...]


Scary biscuits!  :worried:

This is exactly why it is essential to have a mongoose available at all times during layout construction.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 18, 2018, 08:49:59 am
Mark, yes more than one I suspect. That’s the beauty of Brio of course, the motive power is all contained in the rolling stock! Now if someone could perfect that approach in n gauge,  :hmmm:

John, the terraformer’s motto is “failing to prepare is preparing to fail” (stolen from somewhere else me thinks). Therefore they always carry a mongoose, “just in case”. My granddaughter (22 months old) discovered that Sid the snake could “hide” under the bridge.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Newportnobby on January 18, 2018, 10:24:54 am
I hope you realise 'Hissing Sid' has drunk the entire river dry and needs a good talking to ;D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: 25901JFM on January 18, 2018, 12:21:51 pm
I hope you realise 'Hissing Sid' has drunk the entire river dry and needs a good talking to ;D

Where's Captain Beaky and his Band when they are needed! 

 :sorrysign:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: mattycoops43 on January 18, 2018, 10:53:11 pm
Mark, yes more than one I suspect. That’s the beauty of Brio of course, the motive power is all contained in the rolling stock! Now if someone could perfect that approach in n gauge,  :hmmm:

John, the terraformer’s motto is “failing to prepare is preparing to fail” (stolen from somewhere else me thinks). Therefore they always carry a mongoose, “just in case”. My granddaughter (22 months old) discovered that Sid the snake could “hide” under the bridge.

Thank you sir, this is the proper spirit of railways, you can keep your rivet counters! :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 21, 2018, 04:32:45 pm
Just finished assembling this piece of heavy lifting gear.

Mighty fiddly doing the staircases and handrails, but very good model to work with.

Having carefully hand painted everything it now needs a serious session or two of making it look used.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5078-100118162428-604082166.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5078-100118162433-60410122.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 21, 2018, 05:20:36 pm
A fine job, Keith. I hope the crane driver has a head for heights; that's a steep drop down the nearby cliff!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 21, 2018, 05:26:35 pm
Thank you Chris. Yes, bit of a drop!

When the weathering is done and the crane rails installed, and the conveyor made and fitted, and weathered and the landscaping finished, and the fencing made and installed and the... it will hopefully be less scary.  ;)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on January 21, 2018, 07:19:36 pm
Cracking crane model Gromit!  that looks excellent.... I'll be watching to see if you try to nobble any of my crane operators whose own lofty perch is right on the edge of the boat, just a mere 40m above the waves (and we roll about all over the place!) - they have a strong head for heights
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on January 21, 2018, 07:35:38 pm
That’s an excellent model.
Well done - looks great.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 22, 2018, 04:03:54 pm
Cracking crane model Gromit!  that looks excellent.... I'll be watching to see if you try to nobble any of my crane operators whose own lofty perch is right on the edge of the boat, just a mere 40m above the waves (and we roll about all over the place!) - they have a strong head for heights


Thank you Andrew.

No need to worry, your crew is safe. They would consider Sonmel too easy! Operators cab is about 12 metres above ground and the cliff is 13 metres maximum above the road. Also, the ground is relatively stable, last significant seismic activity on Sonmel was a few hundred years ago.

And.... local crew seen getting on board:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5078-220118155329-608771389.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5078-220118155329-608771094.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 24, 2018, 05:12:23 pm
Two years on from my first post here:

 :thankyousign: to all here, for your help, enthusiasm, skill, support and friendliness (and humour)!

Preparations are very advanced for the opening of the first franchise on Sonmel. The rock climbing school buildings are erected and the owner, Cliff Hangar, has arrived together with his wife to install the equipment. Cliff is still in his patriotic mini, whilst his wife gets ready to open the upper office area.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5078-240118170059-609421984.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on January 24, 2018, 07:39:45 pm
Excellent.
Just as long as I don’t have to climb any ropes!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 24, 2018, 07:41:26 pm
Excellent.
Just as long as I don’t have to climb any ropes!

Me neither!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 25, 2018, 05:05:32 pm
All of the terraforming has meant that I haven't run any trains for ages.  :(

So after a good track clean up the Hymek was retrieved from storage and given a run out. Truly amazed that it ran OK first time, so congrats to the terraforming team for their tidiness and cleanliness.  :thumbsup:

Said Hymek captured emerging from the tunnel under the quarry.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5078-250118163908-61025705.jpeg)

But what's that on the rock face in the background? Worth a closer look...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5078-250118163909-610261793.jpeg)

It would seem that some free climbers have already made use of the base provided by the Sonmel Rocks buildings.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5078-250118163914-61028807.jpeg)

Whilst Elf & Safety on Sonmel isn't as extreme as in some places a fence has been quickly erected between Sonmel Rocks and the adjacent railway line to provide some sensible separation.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 25, 2018, 05:55:43 pm
Very nice work, Keith. The free climbers look very good on the cliff face. The "Hymek" looks very good, too. I'm glad that it runs well after a long rest.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on January 25, 2018, 06:00:48 pm
Blimey Keith. Those free climbers have a long way to go!
I hope an ambulance is on hand in case someone falls.
The guy on the right in the blue shirt seems to be in a bit of a predicament. Hope he’s ok.
Seriously though, great stuff. Looks very good.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 23, 2018, 04:53:47 pm
The conversation went something like this:

"I really need a vehicle gate for the Sonmel Rocks site. Free climbers just seem to turn up out of nowhere, park on the site and up they go"

"So why are you talking to me about it?"

"Well, I was looking in the general stores out of idle curiosity and saw those old level crossing gates..."

"And?"

" I was just wondering if one (only one mind) was going spare?"

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5078-230218164128-62195546.jpeg)

And so it was removed from stores and installed. It even opens and closes!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5078-230218164127-62173748.jpeg)

The camera is awful isn't it? Initially the fencing leaned to the right. After a bit of careful re-working... it now leans to the left  :veryangry:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5078-230218164132-621962269.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on February 23, 2018, 05:13:19 pm
Free climbers will find a way in I’m sure.
Looks really good though. Thanks for the photos.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 23, 2018, 05:35:41 pm
Thank you, Keith, for the update. Nice photos. Fences, in real life, do lean out of true.

Interesting to see an old faded dark blue "Castle Brewery" BD Container has been put to a new use in retirement. 8-)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 25, 2018, 04:02:05 pm
Thank you Chris, yes the container is a useful store for all of the climbing gear.

Sonmel is slowly transforming. Along from the climbing school, 2 shops have been built and a row of terraced houses has appeared with excellent views of the harbour (currently empty of "water"). There are even some roads!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5078-230218164137-62198622.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5078-230218164137-62197763.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 25, 2018, 07:51:33 pm
 :hellosign:  Many thanks for the updates Keith, houses looking good below the cliffs.
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on February 25, 2018, 08:14:19 pm
Thanks for the photos Keith.
The houses look good. I like the colours.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Jimbo on February 26, 2018, 03:02:21 pm
Nice work Keith  :thumbsup:, I especially like the effect of the coloured houses with the cliff face, it looks very.......Cornwallish! Beautiful, carry on Sir!  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 26, 2018, 07:49:43 pm
Thank you Jimbo. My inspiration for Sonmel scenery is a mixture of inputs from the many places I have visited through both work and leisure. To me this is an excuse to “make stuff up” rather than strive for actual or historical accuracy (that’s my story anyway!). The houses are based on some we have seen in Scotland, Potree, Isle of Skye, although I have used some license in my implementation  ;). The harbour is definitely Cornwall based, rocks I’m not really sure about, bit Cornish, bit Norwegian, bit Rockies... just came out that way!! Bridge I liked the look of from a search of available models, (not brave enough for scratch building yet, although some plans are forming...)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on February 27, 2018, 05:22:48 pm
Two years on from my first post here:

 :thankyousign: to all here, for your help, enthusiasm, skill, support and friendliness (and humour)!

Preparations are very advanced for the opening of the first franchise on Sonmel. The rock climbing school buildings are erected and the owner, Cliff Hangar, has arrived together with his wife to install the equipment. Cliff is still in his patriotic mini, whilst his wife gets ready to open the upper office area.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5078-240118170059-609421984.jpeg[/url])


The Mini reminds me of the one in "Butterflies" driven by Ria

Great work though, soon the rock school can send some pupils north to tackle some Perthshire cliffs
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 28, 2018, 07:28:20 am
Thank you Andrew. Ah yes, terror in the neighbours as the great car swap happened on Ria’s drive... :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 28, 2018, 11:38:26 am
The class 04 is called into action to move some hoppers in the quarry:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5078-280218112910-624351054.jpeg)

Space needs to be created for the crane which is needed at the quarry:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5078-250218161223-622511633.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5078-250218161220-622451077.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5078-250218161224-6225250.jpeg)

No snow on Sonmel  :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: mattycoops43 on February 28, 2018, 12:00:02 pm
Looking great!

Sorry if it's been covered, but who makes the crane?

Matt
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 28, 2018, 12:26:37 pm
Thank you for the update and the excellent photos., Keith. The hopper wagons and the crane look very good.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on February 28, 2018, 12:57:40 pm
Thank you for the
update and the excellent photos., Keith. The hopper wagons and the crane look very good.
Are those hoppers the NGS kit ones?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 28, 2018, 01:41:46 pm
Looking great!

Sorry if it's been covered, but who makes the crane?

Matt

It's made by Arnold. I picked it up on Ebay early last year. Cranes seem to come up fairly regularly, sometimes at sensible prices, sometimes not... There are also some good models, others not so good... Good luck with your search.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 28, 2018, 01:48:51 pm
Thank you for the
update and the excellent photos., Keith. The hopper wagons and the crane look very good.
Are those hoppers the NGS kit ones?

No, the hoppers are the Dapol unpainted ones. I got a rake of them some months ago when they were on offer (with Hattons I think). Like everything they have increased in price since. They are good models, well constructed and with spring couplings. They do need weighting for push shunting (round curves over points).  I have hand painted them and am currently experimenting with building detachable loads and doing some weathering...
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 28, 2018, 08:32:21 pm
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign: all looking good keith   :thumbsup:
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 07, 2018, 05:25:00 pm
The reason why the heavy crane was needed at the quarry has now become clear. First of the quarry plant is making it's journey up...

The class 04 is replaced with a class 22:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5078-280218112919-624372196.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5078-280218112909-62415479.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5078-280218112935-624382149.jpeg)

Is the excavator a tad overscale???? Or maybe the dump truck is underscale??? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 07, 2018, 05:28:42 pm
I'd say that the dump truck is rather underscale, Keith.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 07, 2018, 05:35:33 pm
Yeah, thanks Chris. Quarry dump trucks are monsters. I will renew my search...(shame really it's a really good model)  :'(
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: wookie on March 07, 2018, 08:03:06 pm
It's a great shame that there are no N British cranes availabe RTR - I for one would buy one!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 16, 2018, 05:36:28 pm
Flipped the layout round today (quite easy as it just sits on a worktop and I put foam under the baseboards) so that I could do some more terraforming. Discovered (well I forgot) that most of the track along the back of the model is loosely pinned down. Following the many recent discussions regarding the robustness of dcc I decided to add a few more droppers down to the bus “just in case”. Half of the job done. Droppers (Peco pre-wired jobs) added but not connected to the bus. As an experiment I will run before and after connecting the new droppers to the bus to see if there is any discernible difference. My layout is small and simple so not expecting too much.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Black Sheep on March 23, 2018, 02:08:16 pm
Just having a catch up, looking good, like the climbing school.

As an experience climber happy to advise how ropes for both top and lead (placing the rope as you go) should be if you wanted.

 If you're wanting to leave them as free climbers they look good, if wanted, could add some bouldering matts to the path below where they are if they're having a lesson, bit like 5inch thick foam crash mats from gym class at school, just to soften the drop, usually dark colours.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 23, 2018, 06:03:59 pm
Thank you Black Sheep. I’ve been thinking about adding ropes, your comments are timely and welcome. Advice gratefully received. The mats sound great, I’m sure that I can improvise something and it will be different from a bit of grass (and a softer landing too). I could even adapt one of my many Chinese figures as a “saved faller”.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 23, 2018, 06:11:50 pm
Results from the re-wiring. Extra droppers have made no discernible difference, other than in the language associated with retro-fitting them under some of the scenery! Hey-ho it hasn’t made things worse so no problem. The result has increased my suspicion that locos failing to instantly respond to a signal from the dcc controller is possibly due to the loco chip not responding. Next test is to buy a new dcc chip (zimo is the way to go it seems) and swap that for one of the Dapol factory fitted chips.

I have taken the opportunity to make some minor mods to the track layout at the high level which will mean I have more scope for different positions for the crane. However, this does mean that I need a new bridge (yippee!). I think I might have a go at scratch building one.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: dannyboy on March 23, 2018, 06:30:47 pm
I could even adapt one of my many Chinese figures as a “saved faller”.  :thumbsup:

Which means you could then have Paramedics, an ambulance, maybe a rescue helicopter ............................ ;D (How big is your layout again?).  :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 23, 2018, 07:01:54 pm
I have heard that the DCC chips factory fitted by Dapol are not as good as they could be, Keith. I would also recommend trying a Lenz Silver Mini.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Black Sheep on March 23, 2018, 09:20:09 pm
Thank you Black Sheep. I’ve been thinking about adding ropes, your comments are timely and welcome. Advice gratefully received. The mats sound great, I’m sure that I can improvise something and it will be different from a bit of grass (and a softer landing too). I could even adapt one of my many Chinese figures as a “saved faller”.  :thumbsup:


no problem,

Bouldering is usually going only a few feet off the ground, working along the wall rather than up it, good practice for foot and hand hold technique but has become a sport in it's own right.

Some climbing centres will have a bouldering wall for people to have a go on / practice in between their turn on the wall.

Top rope, this is the usual way in which someone will learn to climb with the rope anchored to a point on the wall or above (if to a fixed object above there'll be something as it goes over the top of the wall onto the flat to protect the rope) The rope will run from the climber, up the wall to the anchor point then back down to someone belaying who will be stood behind and slightly off to the side of the person climbing to make sure the rope is not catching on anything (including the climber) they'll usually have a bit of a pile of rope off to their left or right depending on if they are left or right handed. The rope will come in a straight line (with a bit of slack depending if the climber is climbing or resting or being lowered back off the wall) down to the belayer.

Lead climbing, this is where the person belaying is not taking up slack in the rope but often paying it out, the climber will start with a few feet of rope between his harness and the belayer, the climber will climb up, putting in temporary anchor points as they go, usually around 3-6ft apart (place anchor, climb a little, reach up and place next anchor) these are usually metal blocks on a strap that are wedged into gaps in the rock. If the climber falls, they'll drop about 4ft before being caught (Assuming the first anchor point holds, sometimes the first goes slowing the fall and the next one stops the fall) the rope will wiggle it's way up the wall between these anchor points with the rope then running from the lowest anchor point to the belayer. They may also use mats when starting off as, until you've got your second or third anchor point in place a ground fall is still possible.

A climbing centre would take the ropes down each night, partly for liability, partly for theft prevention but mainly for weather damage. If anchor points are at the top of the wall, someone would likely walk round, fit the rope into the anchor point and drop the ends down the rock face.

If the anchor point is not accessible from the bottom, someone would have to lead climb up to place it, removing the anchor points (correctly called 'quickdraws') as they came down so that it's not in the way for the class doing top rope.

I hope that's of help and will help make sense when looking at photos of climbers, search for 'top rope climbing' or 'trad climbing'

One additional note is, if there is an overhang, it's possible the belayer will stand with their back up against the wall looking up and out at the climber, the climber's life is literally in their hands.

Ropes are fastened to harnesses at the belly button, helmets should be in use outdoors for all on site (blob of paint on the head should do it) belayers hands are generally holding the rope below waist level unless pulling the rope in (or letting out for lead climbing) probably best watching a youtube vid for belaying rather than me try and explain)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-v9DGRd8Udic/UdyCCxeWxhI/AAAAAAAAFpU/ESfZ2W4IDsQ/s1600/toproping+vs+lead+climbing.jpg)

People coming down the wall after finishing climbing will usually be feet against the wall, in a straight legged sitting position, walking backwards (jumping out from the wall is optional and good fun)

modern kit is quite brightly coloured, you may have some chalk marks on bits of rock that have been used as hand holds for a few people (absorbs sweat) you're meant to clean it off but a climbing centre might not bother to clean (or to use)

sorry, that's become a bit of an essay!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 24, 2018, 07:40:03 am
Thank you Black Sheep, brilliant!  :beers:

Watch this space, but not too soon (I’ve diverted myself onto some terraforming)  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 29, 2018, 07:36:48 am
I could even adapt one of my many Chinese figures as a “saved faller”.  :thumbsup:

Which means you could then have Paramedics, an ambulance, maybe a rescue helicopter ............................ ;D (How big is your layout again?).  :)

Oh yes, great ideas  :thankyousign:

It’s only a small layout but room enough for all of this. Need to find an n scale helicopter (adds to list of purchases) and I need to research modelling blood... (lots of blood everywhere, where are my calm pills?)  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: weave on March 29, 2018, 07:55:11 am
Morning Keith,

I'm sure you've done your own research but saw this....

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/john.whitby/review05.htm (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/john.whitby/review05.htm)

Hope helps. Also this which is slightly over the top but bit of fun....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhFlAXVnOY8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhFlAXVnOY8)

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS Just use real blood, it's pretty indelible. The source is up to you  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 29, 2018, 05:34:19 pm
 :thankyousign: Weave

Yes the model zone helicopter looks to be ideal. Unfortunately model zone went bust in January 2017. I can't find another source of the Revell mini kits (even on the Revell web site). However Revell do a number of 1:144 helicopter kits, just need to decide which one to buy (probably not the Apache!). Also got tempted by some whacky alternatives to a helicopter: harrier jump jet? (bit too much down draft), space shuttle? (too fast), Concorde? (definitely too fast) and I see that they still sell the Saturn V Apollo moon mission rocket (always wanted one of those but it never happened).

The motorized helicopter with led light is definitely a step too far!!!!

 :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Black Sheep on March 29, 2018, 07:03:59 pm
Also got tempted by some whacky alternatives to a helicopter:  space shuttle? (too fast),  and I see that they still sell the Saturn V Apollo moon mission rocket (always wanted one of those but it never happened).


so, what I'm hearing is that the quarry is a front for an evil layer

Do Oxford make a silver Aston Martin?  8)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Phoenix on March 29, 2018, 08:16:49 pm
Hi Keith,

I love your layout, and seem to remember Thunderbird 1 being hidden up by the Quarry....

Who needs helicopters when you've got International Rescue  :claphappy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfIAKj3Gl1E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfIAKj3Gl1E)

Best Wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on March 29, 2018, 08:22:41 pm
Hi Keith,

I love your layout, and seem to remember Thunderbird 1 being hidden up by the Quarry....

Who needs helicopters when you've got International Rescue  :claphappy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfIAKj3Gl1E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfIAKj3Gl1E)

Best Wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Let’s hope that The Hood isn’t lurking somewhere up by the quarry.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 29, 2018, 08:30:47 pm
Hi Keith,

I love your layout, and seem to remember Thunderbird 1 being hidden up by the Quarry....

Who needs helicopters when you've got International Rescue  :claphappy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfIAKj3Gl1E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfIAKj3Gl1E)

Best Wishes
Kevin

 :beers:

 :thankyousign: Kevin. Yes Thunderbird 1 was temporarily based in the quarry, and I did think about inviting Thunderbird 2 back for emergency evacuations. The problem is that I don’t have enough room for the runway and I really don’t want to contemplate modelling folding palm trees!

I did see an n scale model of a Millenium Falcon...  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on April 30, 2018, 03:07:50 pm
Well, a month since my last progress update. Time flies.

The terraformers have been in again. This will be the last large scale terraform on Sonmel.

What is now my standard technique, card formers for the basic structure with plaster bandage over the top as a shell:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5078-290318172455-63513888.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5078-290318172459-635172184.jpeg)

The geology on Sonmel is rather unique (!) with a significant range of rock formations and strata. I wanted to try the plaster and foil method for forming rock faces. Previous trial runs using this method had not been successful for me but I thought I would give it one last go. Plaster applied and foil suitably scrunched I left the foil on the wet plaster for 24 hours (first effort). I think that this has proved successful. What I have found (I formed the rock face in three different sessions) is that:
1. There is an optimal time for stripping the foil
2. Strip early (plaster not fully set) and the result is more texture to the formed rock face (some of the plaster comes away with the foil).
3. Strip late (plaster set rock hard) and the foil comes off in tiny tiny pieces. It then takes ages to remove every last piece of foil.  :veryangry:

On the picture below, left hand side is an "early strip", and the right hand side is an "optimal strip". You might just be able to make out that the LHS is rougher. The "late strip" bit hadn't been formed when I took this photo. It looks like the optimal strip (apart from the gouge marks made in the rock face from extracting the foil!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/5078-300418144144-647831130.jpeg)

Last photo of the entire rock face with base colour coat applied. Now need to get creative with some washes and add greenery etc.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/5078-300418144144-64780863.jpeg)


Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Newportnobby on April 30, 2018, 03:15:20 pm
That looks pretty impressive to me. How will you guard against rockfalls? Some form of N gauge netting?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Only Me on April 30, 2018, 03:21:53 pm
When I made Tormouth, I used Wickes Filler over bits of foam packaging material, and I made a ball of tinfoil that I then rolled across the filler making similar but slightly deeper grooves and indentations... found it to be less messy as the filler was a lot thicker than plaster, your cliffs look very good though
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on April 30, 2018, 04:24:04 pm
Looking good.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Phoenix on April 30, 2018, 04:38:41 pm
Hi Keith,

All is looking great  :thumbsup:

For rocks cliffs etc, some of the War-Gamers have really useful videos on YouTube.

One guy I subscribe to is Mel, the Terrain Tutor, who shows some easy yet effective techniques, and is very entertaining to watch.

This is his playlist for rocks and cliffs ..... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLohbeH3fTP1sy244bli51FN-QtNURIQzs (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLohbeH3fTP1sy244bli51FN-QtNURIQzs)

Videos 19 and 20 are for painting and are how I painted my rocks.

All best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 30, 2018, 11:49:51 pm
 :hellosign: Very  impressive cliff face Keith, looking good   :thumbsup:
     regards Derek.
   
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on May 01, 2018, 09:25:53 am
A great example of a Cliff, your really coming out of the shadows :)

Great updates!  I too was distracted by the 1:144 Revell kits..... spent ages mulling over possible locations for the Millenium Falcon :)  .... in the end I decided it was just too big (and expensive) to justify!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: DaveGlew on May 01, 2018, 06:11:21 pm
One guy I subscribe to is Mel, the Terrain Tutor, who shows some easy yet effective techniques, and is very entertaining to watch.

This is his playlist for rocks and cliffs ..... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLohbeH3fTP1sy244bli51FN-QtNURIQzs (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLohbeH3fTP1sy244bli51FN-QtNURIQzs)
:thankyousign:
I took a look........ the guy makes the painting seem so easy...... Great videos
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 02, 2018, 07:25:23 am
That looks pretty impressive to me. How will you guard against rockfalls? Some form of N gauge netting?

Thank you NN. Yes, I think a mixture of netting, walling and some form of “catch fencing”. I have lots of ideas, it’s the implementation of the ideas that’s a bit slow!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 02, 2018, 07:31:41 am
Thank you Only Me. Tormouth is very impressive.

Whilst I say plaster I did actually use ready mixed filler (Wickes as well). The rolling technique sounds good, it would have saved me a lot of stripping time, especially on the over-cooked section. The weather was particularly cold when I did some of the work and I also think that covering the surface with foil prolonged the setting time. What I didn’t note was whether there was a difference between shiny side in or out!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 02, 2018, 07:33:21 am
 :thankyousign: PP. Praise from a master such as yourself is praise indeed!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 02, 2018, 07:36:33 am
Thank you Kevin. I will take a look at the videos on painting. As you say the war gamers are a good source of knowledge and techniques, as is Windmill Hill!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 02, 2018, 11:34:21 am
A great example of a Cliff, your really coming out of the shadows :)

Great updates!  I too was distracted by the 1:144 Revell kits..... spent ages mulling over possible locations for the Millenium Falcon :)  .... in the end I decided it was just too big (and expensive) to justify!

Oh no, I see what you did there!
Takes me back to when I was a Batchelor Boy hanging out with the Young Ones. Had a chance to Move It with a Living Doll when she asked me "Do You Wanna Dance?".
This bloke said "you look like a real Foot Tapper in this Wonderful Land, here on your Summer Holiday. Do you want to meet a genuine Apache on his replica on the Kon Tiki?"
Congratulations Andrew.  :beers:

How do we know that the Millenium Falcon is 1:144 scale??  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 06, 2018, 08:17:05 pm
Thank you for all the info. on cliff making. I used a similar process for mine: crumpled aluminium foil and sandless tile grout. Some areas came out better than others. I still have to apply various colour washes to the basic Humbrol enamel Panzer Grey!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 31, 2018, 04:03:34 pm
Another month passes, time for a quick update.

Not a huge amount of progress since my last post. We have had a couple of weeks on holiday and we are finally able to get out in the garden and catch up on all of the spring jobs.

The terraformers have been back and used some new techniques (thank you for the utube links).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/5078-310518155011-65896807.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/5078-310518155012-65899519.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/5078-310518155015-659001155.jpeg)

I now need to add some vegetation.

I also need to add some fencing and netting as helpfully suggested by NN. I'm struggling to find suitable netting. I've tried the plastic netting that Babybel cheese comes in - but it is too large.

Mrs keithbythe sea's sieve looks to be perfect but I think that she will notice if I cut a large whole in it.  :uneasy:

I feel a trip coming on to Poundland or Wilko to source a cheap sieve (or old fashioned tea strainer maybe)...
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Newportnobby on May 31, 2018, 09:05:46 pm
Mrs keithbythe sea's sieve looks to be perfect but I think that she will notice if I cut a large whole in it.  :uneasy:


Probably best left well alone or you may find yourself becoming part of the rock face :hmmm: :uneasy:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 01, 2018, 10:14:28 am
 :hellosign: Excellent modelling Keith, the cliff is looking really good.  :thumbsup:
regards Derek
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 07, 2018, 02:46:44 pm
Mrs keithbythe sea's sieve is safe (and therefore so am I)!

I have found two options for the netting. Total outlay of £2 (how do they manufacture, ship half way round the world and make a profit)?

Each one is photographed with a little person to help with the sense of scale...

Option A
A metal sieve.
Mesh size is approximately 1.5mm, so around 9 inches full scale. Bright metal is probably not the right colour, but I can easily spray a suitable rusty metal finish.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/5078-070618143112-661571325.jpeg)

Option B
A chip drier (not come across one of those before).
Mesh size is approximately 5mm, so around 2 1/2 feet full scale. Again colour is adaptable although the natural colour is reminiscent of a rope type of finish.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/5078-070618143117-661591165.jpeg)


Option C

Use both, depending upon the local rock conditions. Here is an example (using blue tac as a temporary fixative)!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/5078-070618143117-661581428.jpeg)

Comments most welcome please. :help:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: dannyboy on June 07, 2018, 03:31:27 pm
Option A for me.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 07, 2018, 03:33:04 pm
Option A for me.

Ditto.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: RailGooner on June 07, 2018, 03:49:42 pm
Option A mesh size :thumbsup:

Option A wire size :thumbsdown:

Now, you don't have to answer this, :-[ but might Mrs keithbythe sea have some stockings that'd do? :goggleeyes: :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: dannyboy on June 07, 2018, 04:07:31 pm
might Mrs keithbythe sea have some stockings that'd do?

Good idea. If you could construct a frame and then stretch the stockings, (or tights), across the frame and fasten/glue  ???. And they come in all sorts of colours.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: RailGooner on June 07, 2018, 04:34:56 pm
might Mrs keithbythe sea have some stockings that'd do?

Good idea. If you could construct a frame and then stretch the stockings, (or tights), across the frame and fasten/glue  ???. And they come in all sorts of colours.

OK, confession time. In the past I have bought my own tights and stockings. :-[

Stretched over a frame - I used an old tennis racket - and sprayed with varnish. Once you get the knack you'll be able to cut out sheets that have just the right degree of stiffness/flex to best suit your use. Have used this technique to create mesh seating for a Hercules, cargo nets, camo-netting, etc.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 07, 2018, 07:39:43 pm
Hmmmm, I’ll avoid the question relating to Mrs keithbythe sea’s stocking wearing  :-[

However, good idea. I have a supplementary question which I hope will get past the mods. Are we talking standard stockings or fishnets?  :-[ :-[
Sudden panic as image of Nora Batty appears in mind - quick, finish post....
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: RailGooner on June 07, 2018, 08:44:55 pm
I'd say that anything described as fishnet would be too large a mesh for your use here Keith. So it's off to the shops with you to have a look at available options.

I last used this technique some twenty years ago. No, actually it would have been early to mid eighties. I had to go to high street shops and buy a selection of ladies hosiery, getting some very critical looks for my troubles. :-[ No anonymous internet shopping back then. :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Black Sheep on June 08, 2018, 10:15:35 am

However, good idea. I have a supplementary question which I hope will get past the mods. Are we talking standard stockings or fishnets?  :-[ :-[
Sudden panic as image of Nora Batty appears in mind - quick, finish post....

Somehow I miss-read "Nora Batty" as a fellow forum member's username....  :-[ :sorrysign: NN :confusedsign: :helpneededsign:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Takamine on June 08, 2018, 01:21:43 pm
Have you considered fly screen netting?

BR
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 13, 2018, 03:31:04 pm
Thank you Railgooner for the stockings idea, Option C. I bought some "pop socks", 15 denier in neutral and tried spraying them with varnish whilst stretched over a 5 litre paint tin. Not convinced with the outcome yet, more experimenting to do...

I like the idea of fly screen Takamine, Option D. Still investigating but I have not yet taken the plunge in buying anything, too much choice!

Thanks for the votes for A from Chris (IP) and Dannyboy. I have continued with Option A, sub option I, applying a spray coat of primer. Results are shown below:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/5078-130618151222-66415204.jpeg)

I quite like this, but Mrs Keith has come up with a couple of other suggested materials, Options E and F. But more of this later.

I have been distracted by a new shiny object, just delivered today all the way from Japan, in less than a week!

Here it sits in the harbour, (tide is out)!!!!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/5078-130618151223-66416927.jpeg)

And here it sits on a "trial sea".

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/5078-130618151218-664071055.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 13, 2018, 03:36:31 pm
Thanks, Keith, for the update and photos. The boat and the sea look very good. I'd apply repeated layers of non-yellowing clear varnish on top of the sea and leave a boat hull-shaped depression in the surface when you come to the final sea surface in the harbour. Then don't forget some seagulls! 8-)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 13, 2018, 03:46:09 pm
Thank you Chris.

Yes, having ordered the boat I couldn't wait to play with some test water. As pictured there is only one coat of varnish, I expect that I will need at least half a dozen coats on the real thing. As you say I will mould the sea around the boat hull. However, I have ordered another boat, delivery awaited. There is only room in the harbour for one boat, so I will await delivery of the second boat before deciding which to use.

Ah yes seagulls, on my list of "livestock", along with the mountain goats.  :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 13, 2018, 03:48:26 pm
Excellent, Keith. Did the mountain goats come from the mountains of Crete by any chance?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 13, 2018, 03:53:22 pm
Ah, maybe that's where I should be looking for the mountain goats,  :hmmm:

Despite looking for several months (albeit rather intermittently), I still can't find any mountain goats. Hopefully I will be more successful with the seagulls.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Black Sheep on June 13, 2018, 04:44:19 pm
Thanks, Keith, for the update and photos. The boat and the sea look very good. I'd apply repeated layers of non-yellowing clear varnish on top of the sea and leave a boat hull-shaped depression in the surface when you come to the final sea surface in the harbour. Then don't forget some seagulls! 8-)

I've heard people paint Johnson's klear on to achieve the same result.

the model boat peeps use clear silicone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFOpc8Q6a7M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFOpc8Q6a7M)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Newportnobby on June 13, 2018, 05:05:32 pm
A bit late to the party but Option A for the netting seems best at the moment but would like to hear about new options E & F :uneasy:
From my memories of fishnets (and not me wearing them!) they would not do the job at all :no:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 13, 2018, 05:17:59 pm
Ah, maybe that's where I should be looking for the mountain goats,  :hmmm:

Despite looking for several months (albeit rather intermittently), I still can't find any mountain goats. Hopefully I will be more successful with the seagulls.

If you search for N Gauge Farmyard animals you should find some goats included, Keith.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: weave on June 13, 2018, 08:11:58 pm
Hi Keith,

Might have been discussed before so apologies if so, Faller 155512 has goats. You could sell off the pigs. Not trying to be funny as some people want pigs and some want goats. Am trying to be serious  :).

The Tomytec fishing boats are great IMO. I've got three at the moment for my Brittany fishing harbour. Detail is good and certainly at the price. I know nothing really about boats but to me they look very much like small scallop dredgers which is what I'm trying to achieve....

https://www.diomedia.com/stock-photo-great-scallop-pecten-maximus-fishermen-saint-quay-portrieux-brittany-france-image23168432.html (https://www.diomedia.com/stock-photo-great-scallop-pecten-maximus-fishermen-saint-quay-portrieux-brittany-france-image23168432.html) .

Like NPN looking forward to options E and F.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on June 14, 2018, 06:50:06 am
Love the little boat.
Option A for the net gets my vote but lets wait for further ideas.
Great stuff
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 14, 2018, 07:10:42 am
Thank you for all of the comments.

Hi Weave, thank you for the heads up on the Faller set. I’ve probably been too picky in my search, looking only for goats. At the moment I don’t foresee a need for other animals on Sonmel. Perhaps we need an “animal exchange board” on the forum.  :hmmm: or I could always make some mini bacon sandwiches  :D
Very impressed with the Tomytec boat, and not too challenging to build! Agree that it could be a scallop boat (tasty), it’s certainly some type of stern trawler. I’m waiting delivery of the tug boat, then I can decide which to use. With luck they might have similar hull shapes and sizes and I can then have interchangeable scenes.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on June 14, 2018, 07:22:16 am
Mini food items.
Now there’s an idea. A bacon sarnie would slip down very well.

I need mini cornish pasties on my layouts.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: weave on June 14, 2018, 09:02:22 am
Hi Keith,

Sorry for a bit of a thread hijack here so Martin, was thinking you could knock a few up with blue tac for some sort of pasty festival....

https://cornishpasties.com/giant-cornish-pasty/

Keith, have got a tug boat too but can't get into the train room at the mo as the dogs bark and wake the wife. Think it's slightly bigger than the fishing boat but will let you know asap.

Also, when yours arrives can you please let me know if it comes with a detachable hull like the fishing boat. I didn't bother with the hulls for my previous layouts as they were going to be water. Trémargat St. Croix is going to be tide out sand so need them back and can't find  :(. but can't remember if the tug boat had one anyway.

Cheers weave  :beers:


Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 14, 2018, 10:07:10 am
Apologies! Further hijack. Baking such a giant Cornish pasty then exhibiting it to generate publicity is just the sort of promotional stunt that Sylvia and Eli will organise for the North Cornwall Pasty Co.! At Paddington AND Waterloo, of course.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 15, 2018, 06:54:52 am
Mmmmm, nice looking pasty. Do you know if they make family sized ones as well as the individual?  :drool:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 16, 2018, 03:24:46 pm
Tug boat has arrived.  :thumbsup:

Here's a photo comparing the hull sizes of the fishing boat (on the left) and the tug boat:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/5078-160618151554-66485555.jpeg)

Weave, you correctly recall that the tug boat is bigger. Slightly longer but considerably wider. The tug boat will also require considerably (?) more construction effort. Must be at least 10 pieces.  :D  Don't waste time looking for your tug boat keel, it doesn't come with one! Not suitable for a tide out harbour.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: weave on June 16, 2018, 08:11:00 pm
Thank you Keith,

Am so sorry but forgot to compare the two for you. Bad weave, bad weave  :thumbsdown:  :doh:.

Will keep my tug for the future French/Spanish layout or Port Regleun proper with water, whichever comes first, but thanks for letting me know about the hull.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 18, 2018, 06:54:06 am
No worries Weave, I had already bought the tug boat so it’s not as if I was waiting on your reply  :thumbsup:

Fishing boat is fine for the harbour, tug will find a home on my next model..... :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 28, 2018, 03:43:27 pm
Options D and E for the rock netting have finally been procured and photographed for comment.

I have an excuse for my slow progress this time - busy taking advantage of the settled weather and I am painting the outside of the house.

Option D is net curtain. I think that the thread spacing is too close, but I am advised that I can practice my lace making skills by pulling threads to make a coarser grid:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5078-280618153258-670472088.jpeg)

Option E is a dress making material, as suggested by the very clever Mrs Keith:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5078-280618153257-67046935.jpeg)

I think that you will agree that we have a clear winner...
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Newportnobby on June 28, 2018, 04:56:24 pm
Aye. Mrs Keith has the right of it :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on June 28, 2018, 06:09:52 pm
Definitely option E.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on June 28, 2018, 10:14:12 pm
Great rockfaces developing there Keith, that was a cliffhanger about what options D & E were!

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: RailGooner on June 28, 2018, 11:33:05 pm
Beehive yourself, it has to be option E! :D … I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 29, 2018, 07:57:00 am
Definitely option E.

Ditto!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 01, 2018, 10:39:39 am
I have enhanced Option A slightly by adding some rust.

Enhanced Option A on the left and Option E on the right. Temporarily placed against a cliff face for comparison purposes:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5078-010718103543-670961303.jpeg)


Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Phoenix on July 01, 2018, 10:56:56 am
Hi Keith,

Just found these pics, so seems Mrs Keith was right with that honeycombe  material  :thumbsup:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5755-010718105205-671082391.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5755-010718105221-67109814.jpeg)

All best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 01, 2018, 11:13:57 am
Thank you Kevin. Yes, why did I doubt her? Just what I was looking for!

Weather permitting, need it to cool down a bit otherwise there are too many outside distractions, I will be having an attempt at the sea in the harbour soon. Interested in your progress with the pond on Windmill Hill.  :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Phoenix on July 01, 2018, 12:46:50 pm
Hi Keith,

This morning I repainted the bottom of the pond so it is not quite such a vivid blue, and sorted out the bullrushes, and the fisherman's area. The paint is now dry, and after lunch I will pour the water  :worried:

Will keep you posted  :D

All best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 01, 2018, 01:02:28 pm
Thanks for the updates. I would suggest that Option A (on the left) is appropriate for rock climbers whilst Option E (on the right) is appropriate for preventing rock debris falling below.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 09, 2018, 04:57:43 pm
Tidy Up Time

I have just purchased and installed a new paint store for the vast sum of £1.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5078-280618153303-67049954.jpeg)

The perfect size for paint tins.

However, I have serious doubts about its suitability for the stated purpose...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/941-120718234222-673821067.jpeg)

Sorry, I can't work out how to rotate this image in my gallery. It says, "Handy for clothes, etc". Maybe suitable for 1 1/2 pairs of trainer socks, i.e. one sock per drawer.  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 09, 2018, 05:00:48 pm
Tidy Up Time

I have just purchased and installed a new paint store for the vast sum of £1.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5078-280618153303-67049954.jpeg[/url])

The perfect size for paint tins.

However, I have serious doubts about its suitability for the stated purpose...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5078-280618153301-670481801.jpeg[/url])

Sorry, I can't work out how to rotate this image in my gallery. It says, "Handy for clothes, etc". Maybe suitable for 1 1/2 pairs of trainer socks, i.e. one sock per drawer.  :D


I could really use one of those, too, Keith. Where did you buy it from, please?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 09, 2018, 05:08:23 pm
Hi Chris, I got it from Poundland. I don't know whether you have such things in sunny Prague? The drawers are just big enough to hold the small tins from Humbrol, Revell. Not big enough for railmatch paint pots though.

It's really good (well a bit flimsy, but hey what do you expect for a quid?) and a typical man solution to tidy up. Everything is all in one place and not tidied such that you can't find what you are looking for.  :doh:

If you like I can investigate postage costs. it's very light so it will be size that will dictate cost.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on July 09, 2018, 05:09:00 pm
Looks neat.
If you are like me you open each drawer in turn looking for the orange only to remember that orange (being the colour I use least) is somewhere else because not all the tins fit in my new storebox.
But....where actually did I hide the orange pot?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 09, 2018, 05:15:41 pm
Looks like I've been rumbled! Although at the moment all paint pots, apart from the railmatch, and the weathering powders, and the maskol and the matt varnish... fit in the drawers.  :angel:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 09, 2018, 05:35:21 pm
Hi Chris, I got it from Poundland. I don't know whether you have such things in sunny Prague? The drawers are just big enough to hold the small tins from Humbrol, Revell. Not big enough for railmatch paint pots though.

It's really good (well a bit flimsy, but hey what do you expect for a quid?) and a typical man solution to tidy up. Everything is all in one place and not tidied such that you can't find what you are looking for.  :doh:

If you like I can investigate postage costs. it's very light so it will be size that will dictate cost.

Hi Keith, that would be great but I have more little tins of paint than you. No, we don't have Poundland, here. Many thanks, Chris.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 11, 2018, 12:37:14 pm
Hi Chris, I got it from Poundland. I don't know whether you have such things in sunny Prague? The drawers are just big enough to hold the small tins from Humbrol, Revell. Not big enough for railmatch paint pots though.

It's really good (well a bit flimsy, but hey what do you expect for a quid?) and a typical man solution to tidy up. Everything is all in one place and not tidied such that you can't find what you are looking for.  :doh:

If you like I can investigate postage costs. it's very light so it will be size that will dictate cost.

Hi Keith, that would be great but I have more little tins of paint than you. No, we don't have Poundland, here. Many thanks, Chris.

Blimey Chris. Thought that I could get 2 sets of drawers in a single box to “halve the unit cost of postage “. According to the parcel force calculator sending a 650 gram package to Prague would cost £45  :goggleeyes:   That means each £1 unit would cost you £23.50. I’m guessing that doesn’t make sense  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 11, 2018, 12:52:30 pm
Hi Chris, I got it from Poundland. I don't know whether you have such things in sunny Prague? The drawers are just big enough to hold the small tins from Humbrol, Revell. Not big enough for railmatch paint pots though.

It's really good (well a bit flimsy, but hey what do you expect for a quid?) and a typical man solution to tidy up. Everything is all in one place and not tidied such that you can't find what you are looking for.  :doh:

If you like I can investigate postage costs. it's very light so it will be size that will dictate cost.

Hi Keith, that would be great but I have more little tins of paint than you. No, we don't have Poundland, here. Many thanks, Chris.

Blimey Chris. Thought that I could get 2 sets of drawers in a single box to “halve the unit cost of postage “. According to the parcel force calculator sending a 650 gram package to Prague would cost £45  :goggleeyes:   That means each £1 unit would cost you £23.50. I’m guessing that doesn’t make sense  :hmmm:

Thanks, Keith. That certainly does not seem right. See: https://www.parcel2go.com/parcel-delivery/czech-republic (https://www.parcel2go.com/parcel-delivery/czech-republic)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Innovationgame on July 11, 2018, 01:07:32 pm
It looks like it could be under £8.00, if you take it to a drop-off point.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 11, 2018, 01:17:12 pm
Hi Chris, yep around £12 postage for two units. That would be insured, but not express  :)
So down to £7 each. By the way each of the three drawers takes 12 paint pots. So 36 pots per unit.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 11, 2018, 02:18:02 pm
Many thanks, Keith. That sounds far more reasonable. 36 pots in one unit should be more than enough. I don't use many colours but do keep 'spares'. Please, PM me re: postage and payment when you're ready. (I need to tidy up and these units will help.)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 13, 2018, 01:50:05 pm
"New" Rolling Stock Arrives


My first attempts as some serious weathering...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5078-130718134040-674081293.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5078-130718134039-6740673.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5078-130718134042-674091331.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5078-130718134044-67410794.jpeg)

Each pair of wagons uses a different technique. The "boulders" are bluetac to temporarily add some running weight.


Thank you for looking. As always comments and feedback most welcome.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on July 13, 2018, 02:33:00 pm
Looks good Keith.
I particularly like the pair nearest the Hymek.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: dannyboy on July 13, 2018, 05:27:08 pm
Flippin' 'eck, they look rusty!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 13, 2018, 06:06:24 pm
The first two look too orange in the photo., to me. Such rust is more mid-to dark brown. The rust patches also look a little too large. I'd also try dry brushing dark grey and black around the raised parts most likely to collect dirt. But, for a first attempt, very good.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 13, 2018, 10:14:48 pm
 :hellosign: Looking good to me, excellent work  :thumbsup:
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Train Waiting on July 13, 2018, 10:21:33 pm
:hellosign: Looking good to me, excellent work  :thumbsup:
     regards Derek.

Seconded!

John
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Newportnobby on July 14, 2018, 12:31:42 pm
I think the last pic shows them up well. At least you haven't gone OTT like I did with my first attempt, but I did want them 'very grotty'

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/264-270518121532-657581246.jpeg)