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Title: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 15, 2016, 03:24:43 pm
Hi,
after buying various bits and pieces over the past 20 years I am now semi-retired with time (and space) on my hands. :)

Looking to build a 1.8m by 0.65m layout with plenty of geology. I will start searching for tips on everything from baseboard construction up.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: newportnobby on January 15, 2016, 04:18:06 pm
Hi Keith, and welcome to the forum :wave:
Don't be afraid to ask questions as there is a plethora of knowledge to be found here.
Using the 'Search' button on the main toolbar is a good way to start.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: scotsoft on January 15, 2016, 04:28:27 pm
Hi Keith and  :welcomesign:

You will get lots of help here to get you up and running. We have a very generous membership who are always willing to help.

Cheers John.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 15, 2016, 05:54:25 pm
Welcome, Keith. I waited well over 30 years inbetween N Gauge layouts so, don't worry about the long wait! I'm sure it will be well worth it. 8-)
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: austinbob on January 15, 2016, 06:10:44 pm
Hi,
after buying various bits and pieces over the past 20 years I am now semi-retired with time (and space) on my hands. :)

Looking to build a 1.8m by 0.65m layout with plenty of geology. I will start searching for tips on everything from baseboard construction up.
Hi Keith
Like you I spent 20+ years accumulating kits and stock for a, wait for it, 4mm scale EM gauge layout when I retired.
Come retirement decided I couldn't get my EM gauge layout of Kings Cross station into my small spare bedroom and decided to go for N gauge instead. Still couldn't get a full layout of Kings Cross station in my spare bedroom but decided I could get loads more N gauge than EM gauge and thats where I am now.
Will never look back to EM gauge mostly cos of the incredible support from this forum.
You won't find any shortage of help, advice and assistance here.
Good luck.
 :NGaugersRule: :beers:
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: port perran on January 15, 2016, 06:17:41 pm
Welcome aboard Keith.
As others have said, there is plenty of friendly help and advice available on here so just ask away.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 18, 2016, 05:29:46 pm
Thanks guys,
been searching the forum and downloaded anyrail as a starter. I had already done some designs using rule, compasses and pencil. Put these designs into anyrail after watching a couple of the online tutorials - fantastic. I want a layout with various levels. It is has been simple to put gradients in and check out levels etc. Looks like I need to cut back on the more crazy ideas and get real in a few places.
Wish I could see a 3D visualisation!! (Just being greedy, great piece of free software)  ;)
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: dannyboy on January 18, 2016, 06:46:34 pm

Wish I could see a 3D visualisation!!

Welcome Keith. As has been said, there is no shortage of help and advice here. Regarding the 3D - SCARM is another free design programme, that does give you the 3D view. David.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Papyrus on January 18, 2016, 08:18:38 pm

after buying various bits and pieces over the past 20 years I am now semi-retired with time (and space) on my hands. :)


Greetings from another 20-year-wait man and  :welcomesign:

You're lucky you're only semi-retired... Wait till you're fully retired - you'll have no spare time at all then...  :( I haven't touched my layout since the summer.  :'(

Anyway, have fun!

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 30, 2016, 02:27:02 pm

Wish I could see a 3D visualisation!!

Welcome Keith. As has been said, there is no shortage of help and advice here. Regarding the 3D - SCARM is another free design programme, that does give you the 3D view. David.

Thanks David,

when I work out how to attach a file here :confused1: I will post my latest 3D model in SCARM
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 30, 2016, 03:27:13 pm
 :hellosign: keith, :welcomesign:  I am still in planning thinking the best things come to those that wait
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Bealman on January 30, 2016, 08:44:51 pm
G'day from Australia, Keith, and welcome to the NGF!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 01, 2016, 03:35:59 pm
I will be more than slightly amazed if this works.  :worried:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_34930.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34930)

If it does work, then thanks to Tank for the video!

If not then blame me!!

Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: petercharlesfagg on February 01, 2016, 04:30:00 pm
 :welcomesign:  Peter
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: MalcolmAL on February 01, 2016, 04:32:43 pm
 :hellosign:  :welcomesign:
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 20, 2016, 07:12:17 pm
Well after a false start in February construction has finally started.

For my first layout itís all rather basic. The baseboard is 9mm hardwood ply glued & screwed to a 22 x 47 mm softwood frame.

As I am effectively starting from scratch I have taken the plunge and decided to go DCC.  I therefore wired the baseboard before doing anything else. My thanks go to Brian Lambert for his excellent website on wiring. I installed a couple of wiring buses using some stripped down surplus 5 amp lighting cable. A few extra holes were drilled in the frame for future cabling. I currently have no plans for lighting, but who knows?

The majority of the track is peco code 80 set track with a few lengths of peco flexi track. All went together really well. The low level track consists of an inner and out loop with sidings in the centre heading towards what will be a harbour. A higher level single track will head across the harbour to a mine / quarry.

I had no DCC locos so I took advantage of the recent special offer on Class 22s. Very pleased, a good looking model and good operation.

To my amazement everything worked first time, albeit from some very temporary wiring connections from track to bus. Having made sure that the two low level loops work ok I will now take all of the track up and fit cork underneath.

Many thanks to all on the forum over the last few months during my enforced frustrating delay. It has been great looking at the various layouts and searching for all sorts of hints tips and ideas. There is loads of help, enthusiasm and fantastic layouts to get you inspired (if a little daunted by some of the quality of modelling)!

I will endeavour to keep you updated as the build progresses.

Thanks for looking, comments most welcome.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/main_37054.JPG)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/main_37055.JPG)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/5078-160616175444.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/5078-160616175623.jpeg)

Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: port perran on June 20, 2016, 07:25:29 pm
Very nice tidy trackwork there.
You are making good progress - thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: newportnobby on June 20, 2016, 07:52:46 pm
A good start there, Keith :thumbsup:
Trouble is, once locos start running all other progress seems to slow dramatically :angel:
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Drakken on June 20, 2016, 07:58:09 pm
Very nice start to the layout there, The best are always worth the wait. Enjoy your build and look forward to updates in the future  :beers:
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 20, 2016, 08:16:22 pm
Very good to see progress with the tracklaying and the Dapol Class 22s are indeed fine models and real bargains at the current prices. (I bought a 3rd one, my first BR Blue one but a D63XX series one to fit my up to 1968 period.)
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 24, 2016, 12:12:02 pm
Hadn't realised it has been so long since I last posted.

Steady progress over the summer, fitted in between gardening, grandchildren, holiday and still some part-time work.

I added the "mountain" area and mocked up access via a very temporary bridge!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5078-040816170945.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5078-241016113453-448252267.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5078-241016113449-448151741.jpeg)

I wanted to make sure that I had not been over ambitious with the gradient (about 3%). No need to worry both the Class 22 and the new Hymek cope very easily. Also wanted to make sure that the wiring did what was required!

Ah, which reminds me, I did make a few purchases over the summer too. More of that later.

Thanks for looking.

Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 31, 2016, 05:22:58 pm
One of the new purchases over the summer was something more permanent to fill that big gap.

I bought a bridge kit from Faller:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5078-040816171048.jpeg)

Which with a bit of careful work turned in to this:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5078-241016114104-44832685.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5078-241016114104-448331494.jpeg)

First model kit I have built since my early 20's (some time last century) when I was really in to building Tamiya model cars (the Lotus 49B was amazing, working suspension etc).

Really liked the Faller kit, straightforward to assemble and good quality and attention to detail.

Once the painters had finished it was assembled on site:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5078-241016113915-4482764.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5078-241016113916-44828351.jpeg)

Need to get it dirty now. Still need to practice weathering off site before I have a go at the real thing though.

Oh and the Hymek was a summer purchase too..

Not sure that I like the low level bridge mock-up in the background. The Peco truss girders seem to be a bit on the small side. I may buy some plate girders and see how they look.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: port perran on October 31, 2016, 05:27:50 pm
That bridge looks impressive.
As for Peco, I think they do the girder bridge sides in 2 sizes. I certainly have one pair that are slightly taller.
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 31, 2016, 05:40:57 pm
Thanks PP.

I will investigate further, I do prefer the idea of a truss bridge.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Milton Rail on October 31, 2016, 06:41:49 pm
Nice looking bridge, well made too - I have seen this one online, but not pictured made up & on a proper layout.. looks good - my only slight issue is that the line I want to put the bridge on has curves & incline ....  how much "manipulation" do you think this kit could take...i.e. would the moulding lend themselves to being warmed up and a curve introduced?

I had a look at your thread a few days ago, was intrigued greatly by your quarry and the corkscrew to get up to it - neat idea :)
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 31, 2016, 07:06:19 pm
It will certainly take an incline, mine has about 3% gradient.

Not sure about a horizontal curve. The bridge deck is quite sturdy and rigid. That said, because it is sturdy maybe some gentle heat and persuasion might work. If the deck does bend then the substructure will be ok since it is modular so should be quite easy to adapt. I think Faller do a curved brick viaduct but I could not find a curved steel bridge. My original plan was to scratch build my own curved steel bridge out of plastistrut but I bottled out of that. The bridge is a key focal point of the layout so it needs to look "professional"  :worried:   
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 31, 2016, 08:01:12 pm
Curved metal bridges were made up of a series of short sections joined at an angle rather then being actually curved. Little Petherick Creek bridge in North Cornwall being an excellent example:

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/p/padstow/padstow(1960s)old97.jpg (http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/p/padstow/padstow(1960s)old97.jpg)
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: ptopo on November 02, 2016, 08:25:41 pm
 :welcomesign:

It's nice to see something a little different Keith, loads of scope for scenics and a great start with the bridge. Am I right in thinking the top quarry line is completely independent from the lower level (there's not some sneaky helix out of sight....??).

Good luck & thanks for sharing

PT
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 04, 2016, 09:22:18 am
Thanks PT,
yes you are right the quarry line is independent from the low level track. I wanted to model some rock faces so needed some height. The quarry line terminates about 50 feet (prototype) above lower track level. At a 3% gradient I just did not have enough space to link, even with a helix.
I plan to have some form of "unloading system" for getting quarry product off the wagons. No definite plans yet but lots of possibilities with the planning department at the moment: crane, gantry, conveyor, factory...
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 24, 2016, 05:10:00 pm
 :helpneededsign:

Hi all, I now have a name for my layout. Is it possible to change the name of a topic? or do I start a new one?

 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Just starting after 20 year wait
Post by: Chetcombe on November 24, 2016, 05:22:40 pm
Looking very nice. I didn't like the Peco Girder bridge sides for the same reason and used a kit from Vollmer for something more substantial:

http://www.vollmer-online.de/en/articles/art_2546.html (http://www.vollmer-online.de/en/articles/art_2546.html)

I also looked at some Knightwing components which were somewhere between the two:

http://www.knightwing.co.uk/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?product=N_Buildings&cart_id=1480007243.127 (http://www.knightwing.co.uk/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?product=N_Buildings&cart_id=1480007243.127)

Keep the photos coming, I look forward to seeing how you progress. And I look forward to seeing the layout name revealed (the mods can change the thread title by the way!)
Title: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 24, 2016, 05:32:50 pm
Thanks Mike,

I've bought some peco plate girder sides to try out as an alternative. However, I think a truss girder bridge will look better.

The knightwing stuff looks really good, thanks for the link, I had not discovered them as a supplier. Maybe they will make their way onto my Christmas list  ;)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Bealman on November 26, 2016, 11:25:28 pm
Moderator Comment Thread title is now 'Sonmel ' as requested by Keith.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 27, 2016, 09:39:56 am
Thread title is now 'Sonmel ' as requested by Keith.

 :thankyousign: George.

my layout now has a name and I am currently composing a short backstory which I will post soon.

Those of you familiar with the less well known islands of the Aegean will spot where the name is derived from.

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 27, 2016, 09:54:13 am
So, a little bit of background to the layout name change...

Keith has decided to blow his retirement fund on the purchase of the island of Sonmel, a somewhat rundown small island located somewhere not quite on the beaten track. He has plans to ďinviteĒ small cruise ships to call and will offer fine dining excursions on Pullman dining cars. This will hopefully generate some income so that island refurbishment can be funded.

The island has a small derelict quarry, used to mine who knows what. He has plans to reopen the quarry to further supplement funds.

There is no coal on the island so it looks like it will be a diesel only fleet.

Since the island is located nowhere in particular he has free reign to scour the world in search of bargain kit, rolling stock, buildings and anything else that might appear to be useful.

Thanks for reading and ideas and feedback always welcome.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Bealman on November 27, 2016, 10:35:27 am
Love the idea, and the layout looks great.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 27, 2016, 04:00:40 pm
Nearly completed two kits that I originally bought last century.

This is a Faller kit. Sonmel seems to have the ability to import and store natural gas. Whilst we have no coal, gas powered locos anyone  :confused1:

One of those cheap figures has turned up inspecting the safety gear at the top.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5078-271116154647-457551995.jpeg)

This is a Ratio kit of oil storage tanks together with a workmen's hut.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5078-271116154647-457341875.jpeg)

Both kits need to be weathered in (still practicing my weathering, not got the skill to have a go on the real thing yet).  :worried:

Finally made a start on the big scenery:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5078-271116154651-457562338.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: dannyboy on November 27, 2016, 07:37:47 pm
Can you get your inspection chappie a safety harness please? If the elf and safety lot turn up, somebody will be in bovver  ;D. The models look quite good actually.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on November 27, 2016, 07:47:37 pm
Thanks for the pictures.
The models look really good.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: weave on November 28, 2016, 09:20:39 am
Hi Keith,

All sounds good and looking good.

Looking forward to more.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 28, 2016, 01:00:26 pm
The back story is a very interesting one, Keith. I look forward to seeing this develop.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 28, 2016, 04:19:35 pm
Can you get your inspection chappie a safety harness please? If the elf and safety lot turn up, somebody will be in bovver  ;D. The models look quite good actually.  :thumbsup:

As a private island I could be immune from the excesses of the modern world ::)

However, not wanting to be in trouble (that would be a first) anyone any thoughts on N gauge safety harness material (cotton thread, fishing line??).

 :thankyousign: for the comments and encouragement.

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: weave on November 29, 2016, 09:28:17 am
Hi keith,

Don't know the answer, far too fiddly for me. Just say they're from Spain and make tiny Ducados cigarettes or Belgium, where only last year the owner of the garage was smoking, talking to the petrol delivery driver, while we were filling up.

Make your island your own and don't get bogged down in little details yet as then nothing gets done. Been there, still doing that.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 29, 2016, 04:49:19 pm
Hi keith,

Don't know the answer, far too fiddly for me. Just say they're from Spain and make tiny Ducados cigarettes or Belgium, where only last year the owner of the garage was smoking, talking to the petrol delivery driver, while we were filling up.

Make your island your own and don't get bogged down in little details yet as then nothing gets done. Been there, still doing that.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Thanks Weave, was he on his mobile at the same time by any chance??

Like the advice on avoiding too much detail in the early stages. Must get out of the "work mode" and indulge my "oooh this is nice and shiny" side. Must admit that starting on the scenery has immediately changed the feel of my layout.

 :thankyousign: :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on November 29, 2016, 08:37:10 pm
Hi keith,

Don't know the answer, far too fiddly for me. Just say they're from Spain and make tiny Ducados cigarettes or Belgium, where only last year the owner of the garage was smoking, talking to the petrol delivery driver, while we were filling up.

Make your island your own and don't get bogged down in little details yet as then nothing gets done. Been there, still doing that.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Thanks Weave, was he on his mobile at the same time by any chance??

Like the advice on avoiding too much detail in the early stages. Must get out of the "work mode" and indulge my "oooh this is nice and shiny" side. Must admit that starting on the scenery has immediately changed the feel of my layout.

 :thankyousign: :beers:
Hopefully, you'll enjoy the scenery bit. For me, that's the best bit of railway modelling.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 30, 2016, 06:53:36 pm
I agree about the scenery Martin. I just hope that I can reach your standard on Trepol Bay. :worried:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 05, 2016, 04:03:36 pm
Time for an update.

Rock construction has started.

Basic construction is cardboard formers with plaster bandage over:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-051216151915-460941730.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5078-271116154652-457571101.jpeg)

I then apply a layer of plaster over the bandage:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-051216151915-46094824.jpeg)

A layer of grey matt emulsion is applied once the plaster is dry. I don't worry too much at this stage how well the grey covers.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-051216151918-460961914.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-051216151920-46097401.jpeg)

Then I try and get artistic with various acrylic washes in an attempt to get some realistic looking rock faces

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-051216151923-460981100.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-051216151926-460992302.jpeg)

And finally whilst waiting for plaster and paint to dry I have had my first ever attempt at ballasting...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-051216151911-46070774.jpeg)

Thanks for looking.

Comments and suggestions always welcome :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on December 05, 2016, 04:16:27 pm
The rock faces are looking good.
My only concern is if a loco derails somewhere near where that blue wagon is. Tis a long way to the floor from there! Or.....will there be a fence?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 05, 2016, 04:35:57 pm
Thanks for the feedback.

I'm thinking about having the rock face go higher than currently built. May well put a fence on top of that but probably not sturdy enough to catch an expensive engine. So maybe the rock option is the cheapest solution :worried:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on December 07, 2016, 09:35:24 am
Keith, the cliffs look great and well done on the ballasting.

How do the loco's cope with the gradients?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 08, 2016, 05:48:12 pm
Thanks Andrew.

I'm not sure about the cliff colour at the moment. I'm going to try a different base colour on a different section and have a deep and meaningful think about it (probably involving red wine). Hopefully this weekend once the Christmas decs are up.

There's more work to do on the ballasting but pleased with my first efforts. Still reading many threads extolling the virtues of ballasting early versus late.  :confused1:

I have a maximum gradient of about 3%. My Hymek and Class 22 cope OK with the Lima tankers that I have. These are quite heavy but I don't plan to run long rakes up and down to the quarry.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 18, 2016, 04:57:11 pm
Just a quick short update.

Been forming more rock faces and playing with textures colours and effects. I almost have a (very small) section nearly finished. I will post some pictures when I have made a bit more progress.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on December 18, 2016, 08:05:47 pm
Nearly completed two kits that I originally bought last century.

This is a Faller kit. Sonmel seems to have the ability to import and store natural gas. Whilst we have no coal, gas powered locos anyone  :confused1:

One of those cheap figures has turned up inspecting the safety gear at the top.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5078-271116154647-457551995.jpeg[/url])

This is a Ratio kit of oil storage tanks together with a workmen's hut.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5078-271116154647-457341875.jpeg[/url])

Both kits need to be weathered in (still practicing my weathering, not got the skill to have a go on the real thing yet).  :worried:

Finally made a start on the big scenery:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5078-271116154651-457562338.jpeg[/url])


Great choice of energy supply company ;)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 19, 2016, 04:42:24 pm
"Great choice of energy supply company ;)"

The kit came with a choice of them or "the Dutch mob" for branding. Since my wife used to work for this lot the choice was easy. She was pleased that it was the "proper" logo too.  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 19, 2016, 05:03:03 pm
Think that I have finally ended up with something that is beginning to look OK....

Clean rocks with a test haul of fuel up to the quarry:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-191216164701-464691500.jpeg)

Tunnel lining and some ballast in place (congratulatory note to self that I did most of the ballasting before the tunnel lining was placed)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-191216164702-464701490.jpeg)

And the first greenery has appeared:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-191216164709-464721417.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-191216164708-464712427.jpeg)

Apologies for the quality of the last photos, lighting not brilliant in the man cave today.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 19, 2016, 05:25:44 pm
Very nice work, Keith. Thanks for the photos. Eventually, I will also try to treat my dark grey rocks like yours which look excellent.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 19, 2016, 05:42:03 pm
Thanks Chris. The formula I have ended up with is very cheap matt grey emulsion as a base coat. it's then a very artistic (as an engineer I struggle with that bit) dry brush with mainly white acrylic with the odd bit of dry brushed black acrylic.
I experimented with adding white to lighten the grey but that just didn't seem to give the depth I was looking for. I will eventually add some bits of greenery to the less steep bits.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 19, 2016, 05:54:50 pm
Thanks, Keith. I have to confess that my cliffs and rock faces are painted with tinlets of Humbrol enamel 'Panzer Grey' bought locally. I plan to drybrush with an enamel light grey then a matt black but I will experiment, next month on a section of the estuary cliffs. I will also add some greenery after I'm happy with the final surface finish.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 06, 2017, 03:13:53 pm
Had a break from rocks and grass over Christmas and New Year.

I bought myself one of these back in the summer:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5078-040816171132.jpeg)

Construction started after some detail painting. I love this model construction progress:

Q, "Had a good time in the man cave this morning?"
A. "Amazing, painted 35 windows in less than 2 hours"
Next day
Q. "How did it go this morning?"
A. " Steady. Installed and glazed 35 windows in about 3 hours"
If only things were like that in the prototype world.  :D

This is where we are now:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-060117145927-468821295.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-060117145928-46896200.jpeg)

The tanker will just fit. Therefore open mineral wagons will have plenty of clearance.

Still got the access ladders and walkways to install. Waiting for paint to dry.

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on January 06, 2017, 05:37:25 pm
 :hellosign: Keith, looks good your layout.       :thumbs:



                                                       :A1Tornado:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 07, 2017, 05:32:39 pm
Change of plan methinks.

Had originally planned to put the walthers mine in the quarry at the top.

However, a mock-up at the lower level looks like a good alternative. Need to play a bit more with the siding layouts.

Problem now is how to get quarry product from the high level track from the quarry (where the tankers are currently) down to the diamond coal corp building?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-060117145930-468971313.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-060117145934-468982201.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5078-060117145935-468991331.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: newportnobby on January 07, 2017, 06:03:01 pm
Could you scratch build an enclosed conveyor linking the upper track with the building?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 07, 2017, 07:59:27 pm
Thanks nn, excellent suggestion.

The walthers kit comes with some covered conveyors which could be suitably "kit bashed". Steamie has also very recently posted some pictures of excellent scratch built conveyors.

I will have to re-design my planned access road, but hey ho, what fun!  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 08, 2017, 01:38:35 pm
Spent the morning playing with plaster bandage, great fun I love it!

Maybe I should have worked in fracture clinic? Although not a great deal of creative opportunity I suspect.  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Webbo on January 08, 2017, 10:56:23 pm
I agree that closed in conveyers are the answer and would make a very nice scene..

Yes, modern materials are making things easier and more fun. We have plaster bandage as you say, various sculpting materials, and foam. My first layout was constructed with chicken wire over wooden formers, covered with paper mache and then plaster of Paris. Tedious and messy!

Webbo
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on January 09, 2017, 07:01:44 am
Thanks nn, excellent suggestion.

The walthers kit comes with some covered conveyors which could be suitably "kit bashed". Steamie has also very recently posted some pictures of excellent scratch built conveyors.

I will have to re-design my planned access road, but hey ho, what fun!  :D

 :thankyousign: for the mention Keith, they were really easy to make and you can have them has long as you like, just coffee stirrers joined together and lolly sticks for the roof and Redutex covering the roof and then plastacard for the sides.    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: newportnobby on January 09, 2017, 01:28:15 pm
My first layout was constructed with chicken wire over wooden formers, covered with paper mache and then plaster of Paris. Tedious and messy!

Webbo


The main scenic board of 'Bletchford' was constructed just like that, Webbo. I used aviary wire as it has a closer mesh and, though the pic shows some card being trialled, I found it didn't really have the strength so used the wire throughout. This was then covered with several layers of kitchen roll soaked in a filler and then painted before using scatters.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/main_14033.JPG)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 09, 2017, 03:59:27 pm
More plaster bandage today, more joy (Monday is a non-work day)!

All of this getting plastered (opening for you there NN) has finally resulted in the basic structure of a quarry.

Possibly beginning to look like a proper model  :worried:

Some of the basic skeletal structure:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-090117154657-47098217.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-090117154657-471391299.jpeg)

Plaster bandage applied:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-090117154704-471412482.jpeg)

View from the front of the layout

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-090117154701-471401903.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-090117154705-471422021.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 09, 2017, 04:05:52 pm
Thanks for the latest update, Keith. Those rockfaces are coming along very well.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on January 09, 2017, 04:38:34 pm
Starting to look pretty good I think.
I like seeing scenery develop from the messy bit into something that starts to look convincing.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 09, 2017, 04:58:08 pm
 :thankyousign: Martin.

Really pleased that you think that it is beginning to look convincing. I am hoping to achieve close to your standard eventually. :worried:

I still haven't worked up the courage to have a go at my harbour walls yet (too much fun with the plaster).
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on January 09, 2017, 06:33:50 pm
Hi Keith.
The harbour walls will be much less messy than the cliffs.
If you need any help with the walls give me  PM.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 09, 2017, 06:37:13 pm
Martin's harbour walls are really superb so it's well worth asking him. 8-)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Webbo on January 09, 2017, 11:05:17 pm
My first layout was constructed with chicken wire over wooden formers, covered with paper mache and then plaster of Paris. Tedious and messy!

Webbo


The main scenic board of 'Bletchford' was constructed just like that, Webbo. I used aviary wire as it has a closer mesh and, though the pic shows some card being trialled, I found it didn't really have the strength so used the wire throughout. This was then covered with several layers of kitchen roll soaked in a filler and then painted before using scatters.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/main_14033.JPG[/url])


Thanks Mick

Just goes to show that one size doesn't necessarily fit all and that some of the older techniques might be best for particular situations.

Webbo
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 15, 2017, 01:05:56 pm
Today is my first anniversary of joining the forum.

 :thankyousign: for all of the help and comments!

 :thankyousign: for everyone who posts. A great source of ideas, experience, inspiration and advice (and humour).

 :thankyousign: for all of the administrators and moderators. Without you we would not be here!

Looking forward to year 2.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on January 15, 2017, 02:31:28 pm
Happy Anniversary Keith.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 16, 2017, 04:09:11 pm
Busy weekend creating more rock, covering the plaster bandage.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-160117160306-47440117.jpeg)

The quarry is beginning to take shape, with a lorry added to give a sense of scale.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-160117160308-474431227.jpeg)

Really enjoying this terraforming.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 16, 2017, 04:51:12 pm
I have had a first attempt at some harbour walls.

The mark 1 version is modelled on a concrete wall with timber greenheart piles. The wall is modelled using coffee stirrers on a card background. There was some movement in this structure when I added paint and glue. I can probably rectify this but maybe a more substantial sub-structure is required.

Comments and feedback welcome.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-150117150521-473701384.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-150117150524-47372266.jpeg)

I have a mark 2 version under construction, but (paid) work will interrupt progress until Friday at the earliest.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on January 16, 2017, 05:04:59 pm
Looks pretty good to me. Just the top section (above the weeds) looks a bit too pristine really. Higher tides or a storm would make it look a lot dirtier ?
I might also suggest a coat of thin varnish over the weeds to give a "wet" effect ?
Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 16, 2017, 05:09:40 pm
Thanks Martin,

2 excellent thoughts. Something for me to try later in the week. I may also be able to post the mark 2 version as well for a comparison.

 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 16, 2017, 06:47:26 pm
Your rock faces are coming along very well indeed. I also really enjoyed making mine.

Martin's tips are well worth following, Keith, as the harbour at Trepol Bay is really superb: very realistic indeed.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 20, 2017, 04:42:15 pm
Hadn't realised how much rock terraforming I had done last weekend.

It's time for some serious paintin (no g).  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 26, 2017, 04:20:11 pm
I think that I might have overdone the weathering of the concrete  :doh:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161628-47862715.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Innovationgame on January 26, 2017, 04:51:52 pm
The weathering looks really good to me.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on January 26, 2017, 05:32:01 pm
The weathering looks really good to me.
Looks very good to me too.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 26, 2017, 05:42:40 pm
Thanks guys.

I need a couple more coats of varnish on the seaweed.

The mark 2 is still in progress, had to work this week (not for much longer). I will post for comparison once completed.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: dannyboy on January 26, 2017, 09:54:15 pm
I think that I might have overdone the weathering of the concrete  :doh:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161628-47862715.jpeg[/url])


Definitely nothing wrong with that.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on January 27, 2017, 06:37:26 am
I think that I might have overdone the weathering of the concrete  :doh:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161628-47862715.jpeg[/url])


I agree with dannyboy above   :thumbs:  When i clued my coffee stirrers i used Gorilla Glue put on with a fine paint brush to stick them together and to any post, they never moved after painting Keith. That Gorilla Glue is serious strong stuff   lol...    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 27, 2017, 07:16:59 am
Thanks Steamie. The gorilla glue is an interesting idea. I have used stirrers glued to card using pva , then uhu glue for the matchsticks. My mark 2 is using styrene sheet as the backing for more rigidity. I might upgrade to gorilla glue for the rest of the structure.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on January 27, 2017, 07:34:30 am
Thanks Steamie. The gorilla glue is an interesting idea. I have used stirrers glued to card using pva , then uhu glue for the matchsticks. My mark 2 is using styrene sheet as the backing for more rigidity. I might upgrade to gorilla glue for the rest of the structure.  :hmmm:

Use it sparingly Keith because it dries to a creamy colour if you use to much, thats why i used a small fine paint brush, it makes the brush useless for any thing else but then the structure you are making will be very strong and  another best bit it doesnít overpower you with a strong smell.       :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Bealman on January 27, 2017, 08:18:02 am
I've always stuck to the maxim of start off dark with everything, because it all fades over time.

Particularly with the rugged UV we cop here in Australia!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 27, 2017, 04:04:54 pm
Ouch ! No sun here and max of 6 degs, roll on spring. 8)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Innovationgame on January 27, 2017, 04:12:35 pm
Ouch ! No sun here and max of 6 degs, roll on spring. 8)
6oC sounds positively balmy.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 27, 2017, 04:16:34 pm
Finally finished most of the new rock painting:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161635-478931942.jpeg)

There will be a stone retaining wall in the big gap in the foreground.

After all of that rockwork and painting thought it would be a good idea to play test trains. Then that was it, - nothing else constructive done.  :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161638-47894851.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161641-478952306.jpeg)

The class 04 is a new addition. Got it in the January sales and then had a chip fitted by Douglas (ex of wickness models)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 27, 2017, 04:22:59 pm
Ouch ! No sun here and max of 6 degs, roll on spring. 8)
6oC sounds positively balmy.

Hope that you are starting to feel better Laurence.

It is warm compared with the last 2 weeks. We moved to the south coast a couple of years ago. Idea was for a warmer climate but we have had a morning frost for pretty much every day for the past 2 weeks. By comparison the previous 2 winters have maybe had a total of 5 frosty morning between them. Seriously thinking about moving even further south although my wife points out that I will get very wet if I do so.  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: newportnobby on January 27, 2017, 04:23:47 pm
Those rock faces look excellent, Keith :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on January 27, 2017, 04:25:48 pm
I agree with Mick, those rock faces are top notch.
Brilliant.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Jimbo on January 27, 2017, 04:26:27 pm
Very nice work Keith......some serious modellin' (No g)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 27, 2017, 04:28:18 pm
Those rock faces look excellent, Keith :thumbsup:

Thanks NN. Trying to get close to the standards set by you experts.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 27, 2017, 04:30:36 pm
Very nice work Keith......some serious modellin' (No g)  :thumbsup:

 :thankyousign: Oh yes, right time of the week for that... might even try sending a text in... :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Jimbo on January 27, 2017, 04:34:19 pm
Very nice work Keith......some serious modellin' (No g)  :thumbsup:

 :thankyousign: Oh yes, right time of the week for that... might even try sending a text in... :D

Good idea!  :music:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Innovationgame on January 27, 2017, 04:38:21 pm
Really impressive rocks!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 27, 2017, 07:52:58 pm
I agree, too; excellent rock faces, Keith. Eventually, I will get around to trying to achieve the same effect on my Panzer Grey (really) rock faces. Now, some greenery would further add to the realism. 8-) The far right front corner of Cant Cove has just about been completed as far as greenery goes and I'm very happy with it.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 27, 2017, 08:47:52 pm
Thanks Chris. Yes my grandson is keen to have some grass and I have trees on my shopping list. I will have a look at Cant Cove and steal some ideas!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 27, 2017, 09:13:15 pm
Please, be my guest, Keith. You can see here that I need to weather the rocks as you have but the greenery, including some Cornish yellow gorse, is done. (A wooden fence would be good too along the cutting wall ridge.)

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/2016-09-27%2009.59.43_zpswcdzeczo.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/2016-09-27%2009.59.43_zpswcdzeczo.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on January 28, 2017, 05:13:48 am
Finally finished most of the new rock painting:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161635-478931942.jpeg[/url])

There will be a stone retaining wall in the big gap in the foreground.

After all of that rockwork and painting thought it would be a good idea to play test trains. Then that was it, - nothing else constructive done.  :D

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161638-47894851.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161641-478952306.jpeg[/url])

The class 04 is a new addition. Got it in the January sales and then had a chip fitted by Douglas (ex of wickness models)


That is a brilliant rock face Keith, some real looking rock indeed. Bit of moss and maybe a mountain goat 🐐 or two would be brilliant, what do you think.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 28, 2017, 07:10:47 am
Thank you for the kind comments Steamie. Blimey, hadn't thought about mountain goats, great idea! Now where's that search engine?  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 28, 2017, 07:21:22 am
Thanks for the photo Chris. Very impressive scenery, you and PP set high standards. I agree about the fence, I have some ideas for Sonmel but they are just ideas at the moment.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on January 28, 2017, 08:24:06 am
Some great progress Keith, the rock faces look excellent, I think they would be a great temptation for some rock climbers too :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Bealman on January 28, 2017, 08:54:04 am
I think Preiser make 'em
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on January 28, 2017, 12:02:59 pm
Thank you for the kind comments Steamie. Blimey, hadn't thought about mountain goats, great idea! Now where's that search engine?  :D
I think Preiser make 'em

Well it was just a thought and they would look brilliant i think, i have 2 sets of Mountain Climbers on my Grandsons layout, they do look impressive.    :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 28, 2017, 03:59:02 pm
 :thankyousign: guys for the great suggestions, keep them coming. The birthday present list is looking very healthy already, and another 5 months to go yet!

The rock faces could look very busy at this rate.  :D

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 30, 2017, 10:42:04 am
Not much action at Sonmel over the weekend. Started painting (the hall ceiling), much bigger brush than I having been using recently. And so much more area to paint.  :D

However, my grandson popped in for coffee (well his dad did) so I had to stop painting and run some trains. Needed a bit of a clean up first. Got this in Maplins recently, brilliant for collecting loose bits of ballast, scatter and plaster.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5078-260117161628-478622330.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Jimbo on January 30, 2017, 11:52:05 am
That looks like a handy little piece of kit Keith  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on January 31, 2017, 05:34:24 am
Thanks for this Keith, mixed reviews for it but for a fiver, so what.         :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 31, 2017, 05:23:54 pm
Thanks for this Keith, mixed reviews for it but for a fiver, so what.         :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I read similar reviews, but as you say for a fiver not extortionate. However, for light stuff it's really good and the dust bag means that you can recycle material. Had it for a couple of months now, still on the original batteries and still has suction!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on February 01, 2017, 04:11:30 am
Thanks for this Keith, mixed reviews for it but for a fiver, so what.         :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I read similar reviews, but as you say for a fiver not extortionate. However, for light stuff it's really good and the dust bag means that you can recycle material. Had it for a couple of months now, still on the original batteries and still has suction!  :thumbsup:

Well get myself down there when i can, not be this weekend though, going to Stafford with NPN on Saturday so might spend what little money i have got LOL.      :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 03, 2017, 07:34:46 pm
From what I have seen of NPNs stock it might be an expensive day out, enjoy  :D

When you are ready to splash out on the vacuum might be worth checking if they have it in stock. I had to order via the web site for collection. Not a problem, very quick. Could save you a wasted journey.  :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on February 04, 2017, 03:36:18 am
From what I have seen of NPNs stock it might be an expensive day out, enjoy  :D

When you are ready to splash out on the vacuum might be worth checking if they have it in stock. I had to order via the web site for collection. Not a problem, very quick. Could save you a wasted journey.  :beers:

 :beers: for that Keith, i am hoping it will be a brilliant day, in fact i am sure it will, you will be seeing a very young kid going around with his eyes agog...LOL   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 09, 2017, 05:19:46 pm
I have been busy FULLY Retiring for the past couple of weeks so progress on Sonmel has been a bit slow. We have also had some hard landscaping done in the garden which has also kept me busy.

However, I have made some progress, shown below.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-090317171222-493972279.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-090317171222-493801397.jpeg)

This is all very temporary at the moment, just seeing how things might look.

I will now have a hunt around the forum and see what you guys and gals have been up to over the past few weeks.

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on March 09, 2017, 05:50:04 pm
Looking good Keith.
Full retirement must feel good. I'm down to 3 days per week-perhaps for another 15 months before I retire fully.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 09, 2017, 05:55:32 pm
Looking good Keith.
Full retirement must feel good. I'm down to 3 days per week-perhaps for another 15 months before I retire fully.

Thanks Martin. technically I am on holiday until the end of the month. However, having given back my office laptop and mobile I am rather uncontactable.  :)

I did 3 days a week for 2 1/2 years until I finally decided that 4 day weekends were just not long enough to fit everything in! Already enjoying the flexibility, great weather here today, so bit of gardening in the morning, beach in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 09, 2017, 05:56:00 pm
Thanks for the update, Keith. Very good to see renewed progress.

Alas, it will be quite a few years before I can retire. Meanwhile, I'm collecting all the rolling stock for a planned, future larger layout.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on March 09, 2017, 06:59:55 pm
Looking good Keith.
Full retirement must feel good. I'm down to 3 days per week-perhaps for another 15 months before I retire fully.

Thanks Martin. technically I am on holiday until the end of the month. However, having given back my office laptop and mobile I am rather uncontactable.  :)

I did 3 days a week for 2 1/2 years until I finally decided that 4 day weekends were just not long enough to fit everything in! Already enjoying the flexibility, great weather here today, so bit of gardening in the morning, beach in the afternoon.
Sounds good to me. I currently do 4 day weekends and you are correct, just not long enough to do everything we want to do.
No chance of the beach here today though-dank, drizzly, dark and dismal all day.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 10, 2017, 05:08:32 am
Looking good Keith.
Full retirement must feel good. I'm down to 3 days per week-perhaps for another 15 months before I retire fully.

Thanks Martin. technically I am on holiday until the end of the month. However, having given back my office laptop and mobile I am rather uncontactable.  :)

I did 3 days a week for 2 1/2 years until I finally decided that 4 day weekends were just not long enough to fit everything in! Already enjoying the flexibility, great weather here today, so bit of gardening in the morning, beach in the afternoon.

It is looking good Keith, one thing though, have you thought how the lorry is going to go down the mountain yet, cant see a road, unless you are thinking of cutting through your mountain and having a road cut across the line down to the valley, it would look great i think.

Well i have a week to go before being made redundant and then 6 months until i fully retire, canít see me getting any work until then so i suppose i am retired after the 17th of this month, really looking forward to getting back to doing some thing on my layout again.

Keep up the great work Keith.   Happy Modelling       :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 10, 2017, 12:03:47 pm
Thanks Steamie.

Good luck with the redundancy, happened to me a few years back and it turned into quite an opportunity with a bit of luck and some perseverance. Sounds like you could turn it into earlier than planned retirement if resources allow.

The lorry will eventually live at low level so it will not need to travel up and down. However, I will have to get quarry equipment up at some time in the future, as well as workers. I don't think that I have enough space for a road but I do have some ideas for both the equipment and the workers. Still just a cunning plan at the moment, watch this space for future developments.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 11, 2017, 02:10:32 am
Thanks Steamie.

Good luck with the redundancy, happened to me a few years back and it turned into quite an opportunity with a bit of luck and some perseverance. Sounds like you could turn it into earlier than planned retirement if resources allow.

The lorry will eventually live at low level so it will not need to travel up and down. However, I will have to get quarry equipment up at some time in the future, as well as workers. I don't think that I have enough space for a road but I do have some ideas for both the equipment and the workers. Still just a cunning plan at the moment, watch this space for future developments.

Thanks Keith, the redundancy is a bit of a stressful time at the moment.

Maybe a overhead chair lift, a cable car or even the mountaineers carrying the equipment up for the quarry  :laugh3: Seriously we are looking forward to more of your layout Keith.         Happy Modelling.     :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 11, 2017, 08:02:19 pm
Try to keep smiling Steamie. :)

Mountaineers will appear at some time. Cable car sounds like a good idea, more thinking time required for that. Someone also suggested mountain goats, maybe a "goat train" carrying supplies up?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Jimbo on March 12, 2017, 12:09:47 am
Techno trousers!  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 12, 2017, 09:16:07 am
Techno trousers!  :claphappy:

Thank you Jimbo. Of course, how could I forget the obvious solution  :bounce:

Must have been a senior moment on my part. Seem to be getting more frequent.  :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 12, 2017, 11:10:43 am
I had planned for today to be a gardening day. However, rain has stopped outside play, so it's indoor play in the cave.

In preparation for getting the quarry fully operational again power will be required. Keith has therefore procured some wooden poles (currently drying after being dipped in preservative) to carry a power cable up.

Once dry they will be installed alongside the track ready for rigging the cable. Any thoughts on pole spacing would be appreciated. I am thinking 100  to 150 feet?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 12, 2017, 11:30:44 am
Stand down chaps. Just found the UK Power Networks design manual online, amazing this google thingey. It would seem max span is 70 metres.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 14, 2017, 05:33:08 pm
In a sudden burst of enthusiasm the pole erection team have commandeered a couple of the newly purchased hopper wagons before they could get to the paint shop (the wagons that is)!

The brand new class 04 was put into action to run them up to the quarry.

After much huffing and puffing (all done by manual labour) the first poles were erected.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-140317172444-495542179.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-140317172445-49558712.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-140317172447-49559519.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 14, 2017, 06:45:36 pm
Thank you, Keith, for these three very nice photos. I always enjoy seeing the 'Little People' in place. The Class 04 is a lovely model but the NCB on the cabsides should be changed?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on March 14, 2017, 08:55:08 pm
Great stuff Keith.
Those little people look so good and really bring things to life.
And that 04 looks really good in yellow.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 15, 2017, 04:03:22 pm
Thank you, Keith, for these three very nice photos. I always enjoy seeing the 'Little People' in place. The Class 04 is a lovely model but the NCB on the cabsides should be changed?

You are right Chris, although it's too new to change just yet. Unless I can think of an alternative meaning for the acronym in relation to Sonmel... :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 16, 2017, 06:34:33 am
In a sudden burst of enthusiasm the pole erection team have commandeered a couple of the newly purchased hopper wagons before they could get to the paint shop (the wagons that is)!

The brand new class 04 was put into action to run them up to the quarry.

After much huffing and puffing (all done by manual labour) the first poles were erected.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-140317172444-495542179.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-140317172445-49558712.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-140317172447-49559519.jpeg[/url])


Really great photoís Keith and i love the little people also, but shouldnít one or two of them be leaning on shovels or something   lol.     :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:

Keep the photoís coming Keith.      :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Bealman on March 16, 2017, 06:51:19 am
I like the livery on that little 04..... NCB, I note. Does that mean I could run one on a 50s - 60s period layout?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 16, 2017, 07:15:41 am
According to my quick search they were built between 1952 and 1962. Looks like you have found your next purchase George.  :)

I got mine in a sale from Rails earlier this year, very good price.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Bealman on March 16, 2017, 07:48:48 am
Thanks for that!  :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 16, 2017, 04:43:50 pm
Encouraged by the prospect of power arriving at the quarry soon preparations have begun for installing the required plant.

Mock-ups have been made of rock handling, conveyors and wagon loading facilities.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-160317163629-49614289.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-160317163633-4964223.jpeg)

 
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 17, 2017, 05:07:00 am
That looks great Keith, it looks a lot like my Coal Distribution on Roedann Viaduct, great to see another layout with something else other than stations.      Happy Modelling Keith.      :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Webbo on March 17, 2017, 07:10:15 am
Ditto on Steamie's comments, Keith.

Steamie, we are wondering what's happening with Roedann Viaduct?

Webbo
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 17, 2017, 12:39:33 pm
That looks great Keith, it looks a lot like my Coal Distribution on Roedann Viaduct, great to see another layout with something else other than stations.      Happy Modelling Keith.      :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks Steamie. I've just had look at your conveyors on Roedann. Am I right in saying that they are card covered with "corrugated" effect paper? Inspired by your work I am looking to do something similar (and hopefully as good). I will probably build in plasticard and then add corrugations later.  :helpneededsign:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 17, 2017, 02:56:02 pm
Ditto on Steamie's comments, Keith.

Steamie, we are wondering what's happening with Roedann Viaduct?

Webbo

Well Webbo with all the aggro with the redundancy i havenít had the inkling to do anything with it, but donít worry i am going to get on with it next week and hopefully the roundhouse will be finished.   :beers:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 17, 2017, 03:19:55 pm
That looks great Keith, it looks a lot like my Coal Distribution on Roedann Viaduct, great to see another layout with something else other than stations.      Happy Modelling Keith.      :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks Steamie. I've just had look at your conveyors on Roedann. Am I right in saying that they are card covered with "corrugated" effect paper? Inspired by your work I am looking to do something similar (and hopefully as good). I will probably build in plasticard and then add corrugations later.  :helpneededsign:

Thanks Keith, but they arenít made from card, they are coffee stirrers, i put 3 end to end then 2 lengths of the 3 end to end side by side, then 4 to make a box, with 4 more put on an angle for the roof, it sounds complicated but it is really easy to do, you then can cut them to the length you require. I then used corrugated plasticard for the sides and then used this stuff for the roof.

Corrugated Sheet Grey Redutex 148TI111, it is like rubber and really easy to apply, it also comes in roof tiles, you can get it from DCC Supplies.

If you look again at the photoís in my gallery you will see the Coal Distribution Photos and you will have a better idea on them.   Happy Modelling Keith :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 17, 2017, 07:32:02 pm
Excellent Steamie, thank you for the explanation. I will use the card formers I have already made in place of your coffee stirrers. Saves me a job and I have run out of coffee stirrers (I think that Waitrose have got wise to their usefulness and don't have them laying around all over the place anymore!). I can easily add a card strip along the top to form the ridge. Then I can add an outer layer of plasticard. Thank you for the link to the material that you used for the conveyor roofing. I have not come across this before, will order some. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: outofgauge on March 17, 2017, 08:47:48 pm
Hi Keith-just a quick one -ngineer on shape ways does some conveyors if your interested -just the Base roller belt -no top cover thought don't know if that's any good to you ?

Regards

Neil
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 18, 2017, 07:04:49 am
Hi Keith-just a quick one -ngineer on shape ways does some conveyors if your interested -just the Base roller belt -no top cover thought don't know if that's any good to you ?

Regards

Neil

Thanks Neil. I was not aware of the Shapeways website. Amazing stuff on there, but not cheap!  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 18, 2017, 07:32:36 am
Hi Keith-just a quick one -ngineer on shape ways does some conveyors if your interested -just the Base roller belt -no top cover thought don't know if that's any good to you ?

Regards

Neil

Thanks Neil. I was not aware of the Shapeways website. Amazing stuff on there, but not cheap!  :thankyousign:

They are not the cheapest, i bought a brick template from them and the cost including postage was a bit to much IMO, a covered conveyer is what is needed on your quarry Keith because i donít think a ready made would get up to the top of your distribution tower would it ?    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: outofgauge on March 18, 2017, 08:42:22 am
There is another guy on eBay-goes under Dapr he does unusual items as well -it's one of those keith-it's not mainstream -so you have to pay more. Like steamie + says thought -its got to go some height on your mockups maybe home grown is best -keep us informed. There's a whole load of plastic sections out there to build with the evergreen selection seems endless !

Regards

Neil
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 19, 2017, 05:10:39 pm
There is another guy on eBay-goes under Dapr he does unusual items as well -it's one of those keith-it's not mainstream -so you have to pay more. Like steamie + says thought -its got to go some height on your mockups maybe home grown is best -keep us informed. There's a whole load of plastic sections out there to build with the evergreen selection seems endless !

Regards

Neil

Thanks Neil. Yes, I have seen the Dapr stuff on eBay. Do you know of anyone who has used his stuff?

As Steamie said the length that I require means that I will have to scratch build. I have started this today, to also include a small building where I will have a change in direction of the conveyor. Really enjoyed it although I have to order some corrugated sheeting for the roofing. Just primed what I have built so far.


Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: outofgauge on March 19, 2017, 05:57:35 pm
Bought some of his skips-because the merit/ peco scene looked rubbish (pardon the pun ) his stuff looks OK to me -in the point of a building to change direction it would be a hopper ? One conveyor feeds in the top -second conveyor goes from the bottom ?? Have I got it right ? If so are you just going for a tower no internal details or are you going for an open affair using girders/ braces and the like ?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 19, 2017, 07:07:31 pm
Thanks for the info on Dapr. I quite like the look of the converted shipping containers.

Yes, one conveyor drops material onto another. This aspect aspect will be hidden inside my building. However, the building will be elevated on a tower of some description. Currently assessing whether I have enough spare parts from my Walthers kit or whether I will have to scratch build the tower.  :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 20, 2017, 05:50:58 pm
Scratch build it Keith, you will enjoy the thought that it is unique, has no one else with have anything like the one you make. All you need to do is take your time and think about how you would go about, looking at various photoís will help enormously.      :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 20, 2017, 08:37:15 pm
Certainly a strong contender for scratch building Steamie. Not done any work on the layout today but pleased with my efforts to date on the conveyor and building. Need to put together a shopping list for structural sections for the tower. I have some beams but they are prototype 2+ feet deep, bit over the top for a tower.  :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: outofgauge on March 20, 2017, 08:55:25 pm
Keith -I'm a structural welder/ steel erector -24"◊12" wouldn't be uncommon! Our industrial unit has some quite close for the uprights ! It's all to do with the twist action -and depending on how much your hopper up there holds -wouldn't be a silly as you think !!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 22, 2017, 05:31:50 am
I agree with outofgauge Keith, it would be ok, you have to remember what it is supporting in real life, but you can always get some slightly smaller beam and do a mock up to see if it looks ok.

Itís your layout after all Keith and if it looks right to you, but do please donít give up on scratch building Keith, once you have done something no matter how small, (My1st attempt was the Coal Staithes) on Roedann Viaduct, you will get so much satisfaction from doing it i promise you.     :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 22, 2017, 07:58:14 am
 :thankyousign: for the feedback and encouragement guys. No worries, scratch build be the way. Currently negotiating with the finance department and the steel stockholders. Looks like an order will be placed today. Probably order a variety of sections, makes the postage look less :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 22, 2017, 08:10:00 am
:thankyousign: for the feedback and encouragement guys. No worries, scratch build be the way. Currently negotiating with the finance department and the steel stockholders. Looks like an order will be placed today. Probably order a variety of sections, makes the postage look less :D

Try and get it interest free Keith.       :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 22, 2017, 08:15:33 am
:thankyousign: for the feedback and encouragement guys. No worries, scratch build be the way. Currently negotiating with the finance department and the steel stockholders. Looks like an order will be placed today. Probably order a variety of sections, makes the postage look less :D

Try and get it interest free Keith.       :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:



Hopefully there will be plenty of interest.... :claphappy:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 22, 2017, 08:16:40 am
:thankyousign: for the feedback and encouragement guys. No worries, scratch build be the way. Currently negotiating with the finance department and the steel stockholders. Looks like an order will be placed today. Probably order a variety of sections, makes the postage look less :D

Try and get it interest free Keith.       :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:



Hopefully there will be plenty of interest.... :claphappy:

 :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 24, 2017, 05:46:03 pm
Much excitement on Sonmel today as there was a shipment of many tonnes (well grams actually) of structural steelwork from the mainland.

After furious cutting and welding the support structure for the mine conveyors begins to take shape. (There was a bit of a delay as the lawns had to be mowed first,  :))

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/5078-240317173722-500931585.jpeg)

Further cross bracing needs to be added before the structure is finally assembled and moved into place.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on March 26, 2017, 12:42:28 pm
I have been busy FULLY Retiring for the past couple of weeks so progress on Sonmel has been a bit slow. We have also had some hard landscaping done in the garden which has also kept me busy.

However, I have made some progress, shown below.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-090317171222-493972279.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5078-090317171222-493801397.jpeg[/url])

This is all very temporary at the moment, just seeing how things might look.

I will now have a hunt around the forum and see what you guys and gals have been up to over the past few weeks.


Looks great Keith, that Horton Sphere there, reminds me of the large tank farm hidden in a shale bing on the outskirts of Edinburgh that I used to work at :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on March 26, 2017, 07:31:37 pm
Just caught up with your thread Keith, like the way the conveyor is coming together, look forward to seeing how your scratchbuilding comes along, looking for some inspiration :)

been wracking my brains for an idea on NCB (similar to the way I hi-jacked BP to be Blackford Petroleum) .... best I can come up with so far is Norris Crag Boulders :) but give me an hour in the African sun tomorrow & I might come up with something else (other than sun stroke)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 28, 2017, 04:31:31 pm
The support structure for the conveyors is now assembled.

Here it is ready to leave the fabrication shop:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/5078-280317155519-50389168.jpeg)

And just to show how it might look when it is transported up to the mine.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/5078-280317155522-503991495.jpeg)

It needs to be painted prior to moving...
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on March 28, 2017, 05:34:58 pm
the second picture is very well framed :)

Great work, great looking structure

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on March 29, 2017, 07:56:51 am
Looks superb Keith, itís better on the inside now donít you think.      :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 29, 2017, 10:54:41 am
the second picture is very well framed :)

Great work, great looking structure

Cheers,
Andrew

Thank you Andrew. Rather intricate but quite pleased with the end result. I had already built the building to go on top but the tower changed dimensions from planned during construction. So now need to build new building. Bit like real construction... :'(

How is the sun?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 29, 2017, 11:03:32 am
Looks superb Keith, itís better on the inside now donít you think.      :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Many thanks Steamie, much appreciated. Your feedback was good. :thumbsup:

Rebuilding has caused some more work, see above post. But that's my fault so hey ho no problem.

Redutex is currently out of stock so I am experimenting with different ways of making corrugated iron from scratch. Not entirely pleased with any outcome so far, but no rush. I did buy some ratio stuff, on-line so unseen. It is very thick and seems to be a bit over scaled to me. Best results so far with kitchen foil, but that is too thin. I have just discovered some old foil baking trays, need to "upcycle" one and see how that looks.


Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on March 29, 2017, 03:30:28 pm
too hot to handle!

Have you tried printing corrugated overlay?  I used that technique for the interior of my garage

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/main_33878.jpg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 29, 2017, 07:53:06 pm
  :thankyousign: Looks very good. Something I have not considered to date. I have so far favoured plastic over card. I have had a Metcalfe kit unbuilt for 12 months now!

However, I have yet to find a home made technique that I am happy with.

I have the scalescenes website currently bookmarked. Did you use theirs? What quality of card / paper did you print onto?

Maybe I should risk a couple of quid on a download :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on March 30, 2017, 10:28:17 am
I didn't do anything more complicated than a google images search for N Gauge corrugated iron & got a picture I could use... it was then just printed onto ordinary paper.  this was an internal office for a garage that won't normally be seen, but I plan to detail the interior so that the roof can be lifted off to reveal what is going on inside.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 30, 2017, 02:48:34 pm
I didn't do anything more complicated than a google images search for N Gauge corrugated iron & got a picture I could use... it was then just printed onto ordinary paper.  this was an internal office for a garage that won't normally be seen, but I plan to detail the interior so that the roof can be lifted off to reveal what is going on inside.

 :thankyousign: Andrew.

A good, simple and pragmatic solution!! (Keith fires up new browser window and starts searching....)

Do be careful in that sun.  ;)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on April 02, 2017, 08:12:36 pm
Great weather has delayed progress as we have been spending time in the garden and on the beach.

However, the tower has been primed, new building constructed and many experiments conducted regarding modelling corrugated iron. I think that I have found an acceptable solution. We will see what a new day and objective appraisal brings...  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on April 02, 2017, 08:18:39 pm
It is indeed difficult at this time of year. We've been gardening then a cliff too walk because it's been so nice today.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on April 17, 2017, 05:18:21 pm
Great weather has delayed progress as we have been spending time in the garden and on the beach.

However, the tower has been primed, new building constructed and many experiments conducted regarding modelling corrugated iron. I think that I have found an acceptable solution. We will see what a new day and objective appraisal brings...  :hmmm:

As you may have gathered by the lack of posts, the objective appraisal did not go well  :no:

Complete re-build was the prognosis. This has now happened and I am much happier with the result. Progress is now delayed by lack of a shipment of corrugated iron from the mainland (DCC are expecting a delivery of redutex in about a month  :'( ) Whilst I have found that metal foil "corrugated" with various bottle tops is OK I am not entirely sure that it is of the required quality. I shall continue to investigate different bottle tops, primarily those associated with vino. (Oh well you have to take the rough with the smooth.  :goggleeyes: )

In the meantime I have been messing around with rock crusher models. Much styrene sheet later I think that I am beginning to get somewhere..

As I have said somewhere before, no rush, no pressure, it will get done when it gets done.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 17, 2017, 08:52:02 pm
Thanks for the update, Keith. Looking forward to seeing the photos. of the results. I'm sure that the extra work will have been worth it.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on April 19, 2017, 07:12:05 am
I think most people are of the same thought Keith, although here we arenít getting the same temperatures has down South. I haven't really done a lot myself on my layout due to lack of funds.

The wait for the Redutex will be worth it Keith, you will find it is so easy to use and you can weather it to suit you very easily.

Happy Modelling.      :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 15, 2017, 10:30:17 am
A wet morning here today so a chance to catch up on things.

Still waiting for the Redutex corrugated sheeting to arrive, but the first picture shows some progress on the support tower, rock crusher and conveyors as far as I can go at the moment.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/5078-150517095420-518331188.jpeg)

I have also been working (slowly, when not outside) on the first accommodation on the island:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/5078-150517095620-51839826.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on May 15, 2017, 11:15:06 am
A wet morning here today so a chance to catch up on things.

Still waiting for the Redutex corrugated sheeting to arrive, but the first picture shows some progress on the support tower, rock crusher and conveyors as far as I can go at the moment.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/5078-150517095420-518331188.jpeg[/url])

I have also been working (slowly, when not outside) on the first accommodation on the island:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/5078-150517095620-51839826.jpeg[/url])


Thats very good Keith, like your Granite Distribution very well made, it will be worth the wait Keith for the Redtex i promise you, if i had any left i would of sent it to you. Happy Modelling Keith.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on May 15, 2017, 11:36:29 am
The row of houses looks very good.
Love the water butts-a nice touch.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 15, 2017, 11:56:52 am
The row of houses looks very good.
Love the water butts-a nice touch.

Thanks PP. The water butts were not originally planned. The terrace is a kestrel kit. Good model but the gutter and downpipes seemed to be massively over scale. I bought some Ratio gutters and downpipes, much better scale. BUT the down pipes were a tad short. So cue some ratio barrels suitably converted. Necessity the being mother of invention and all that...
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 15, 2017, 12:00:26 pm
Thank you Steamie. No real problem with the wait for the redutex. No rush, and more "thinking and planning" time!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 15, 2017, 12:29:39 pm
Thanks for the update, Keith. Looking very good. I agree with you about replacing the Kestrel kit gutters and downpipes with Ratio ones as I plan to do the same and have plenty of the Ratio ones painted and ready for use.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Innovationgame on May 15, 2017, 12:49:02 pm
The quarry looks very good, as do the houses.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 15, 2017, 07:58:25 pm
Thanks for the update, Keith. Looking very good. I agree with you about replacing the Kestrel kit gutters and downpipes with Ratio ones as I plan to do the same and have plenty of the Ratio ones painted and ready for use.

Thanks Chris, don't forget the the Ratio downpipes are bungalow sized. You may need water butts too  ;)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 15, 2017, 08:18:13 pm
Thanks for the update, Keith. Looking very good. I agree with you about replacing the Kestrel kit gutters and downpipes with Ratio ones as I plan to do the same and have plenty of the Ratio ones painted and ready for use.

Thanks Chris, don't forget the the Ratio downpipes are bungalow sized. You may need water butts too  ;)

Thanks, Keith. If necessary, I plan to glue parts of Ratio downpipes together to make longer ones.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 15, 2017, 08:35:40 pm
Thanks for the update, Keith. Looking very good. I agree with you about replacing the Kestrel kit gutters and downpipes with Ratio ones as I plan to do the same and have plenty of the Ratio ones painted and ready for use.

Wow Chris, mighty intricate work. I thought about that and went for the water butt option instead.  :smiley-laughing:

Thanks Chris, don't forget the the Ratio downpipes are bungalow sized. You may need water butts too  ;)

Thanks, Keith. If necessary, I plan to glue parts of Ratio downpipes together to make longer ones.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 15, 2017, 09:06:35 pm
One advantage of being short-sighted is that such close-up work (without glasses) is quite easy.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on May 16, 2017, 08:33:52 am
Thank you Steamie. No real problem with the wait for the redutex. No rush, and more "thinking and planning" time!

Yes your right there Keith, thinking and planning is good.   :laugh3: :laugh3:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 18, 2017, 07:34:11 am
Thank you Steamie. No real problem with the wait for the redutex. No rush, and more "thinking and planning" time!

Yes your right there Keith, thinking and planning is good.   :laugh3: :laugh3:

And of course, train running...
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Innovationgame on May 18, 2017, 07:38:35 am
And of course, train running...
After all, what's the point of a model railway if you don't run any trains?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on May 18, 2017, 07:49:17 am
And of course, train running...
After all, what's the point of a model railway if you don't run any trains?
Thank you Steamie. No real problem with the wait for the redutex. No rush, and more "thinking and planning" time!

Yes your right there Keith, thinking and planning is good.   :laugh3: :laugh3:

And of course, train running...

Of course, silly me.    :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on May 23, 2017, 12:06:52 pm
Looking good keith, I also liked the water butt idea, the house occupants seem to have adopted the Tobermory approach to colour co-ordination :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 08, 2017, 05:39:56 pm
Thanks Andrew, apologies for the delay - just back from hols.

The house occupants were "directed" to adopt a colourful approach to exterior colour.  ;)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: joe cassidy on June 08, 2017, 06:41:19 pm
I used to live in Alresford, Hampshire.

Apparently people who live in the main street really are "directed" as to what colour they may paint the facade of their house.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on June 09, 2017, 06:00:18 am
Hope you had a brilliant holiday Keith. Looking forward to more on your layout soon.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 09, 2017, 07:01:44 am
Hope you had a brilliant holiday Keith. Looking forward to more on your layout soon.   :thumbsup:

Seconded! 8-)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 09, 2017, 01:29:15 pm
I used to live in Alresford, Hampshire.

Apparently people who live in the main street really are "directed" as to what colour they may paint the facade of their house.

Best regards,


Joe

Thanks Joe, I believe that this is the case in a few locations. Sonmel is influenced by many things, one of which is the use of green paint for windows and doors as on Lanzarote. However, unlike Lanzarote buildings can be colours other than white.....
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 09, 2017, 01:32:10 pm
Hope you had a brilliant holiday Keith. Looking forward to more on your layout soon.   :thumbsup:

Seconded! 8-)

Thank you guys. Back refreshed although many things to do in the garden at the moment. Lots of new ideas whilst away and many pictures of rock formations.... also good news is that the Redutex now has a delivery date of mid June. I may be able to finish the conveyors soon...
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 05, 2017, 01:00:16 pm
Hooray, long awaited Redutex has arrived in the post today. Looks to be very good.

However, it's clear blue skies and 26 degrees here so off to the beach for a swim in the sea this afternoon  8)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Webbo on July 06, 2017, 01:29:01 am
Hooray, long awaited Redutex has arrived in the post today. Looks to be very good.

However, it's clear blue skies and 26 degrees here so off to the beach for a swim in the sea this afternoon  8)

Hi Keith

Didn't know what Redutex was until I Googled it just now. Looks like interesting stuff.

Lucky you with the beach handy. Swimming a bit chilly here at my latitude this time of the year, but a nice sunny day is coming up.

Webbo
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 06, 2017, 07:36:41 am
Hi Webbo. Steamie put me on to the Redutex. It looks to be really good. I will find how easy it is to work with when the English summer ends (which could be tomorrow...). As you will probably have seen they do a variety of "materials", all at n scale.

I will post pictures when I have made some progress. However, hot again today (can't claim that the sea is, but this is England after all) so may well be the beach again this afternoon.  8)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 07, 2017, 08:37:07 pm
Thought I would try out the Redutex on one of the quarry buildings first. Larger area than the conveyors so better chance to get used to working with the material.

Here is a naked (can I use that word on here??) building:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-070717202344-53202129.jpeg)

This shows the only plain side of the building. I didn't think ahead that the other three sides all have openings in them.  :doh:

Note to self, need to correct the drooping access platform half way up.

However, after much careful knife work a corrugated steel clad building was created:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-070717202343-531992058.jpeg)

Now need to put the roof on and clad that.

Many thanks to Steamie for the recommendation. Great stuff,  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: dannyboy on July 07, 2017, 11:06:24 pm
That "careful knife work" looks good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: dannyboy on July 08, 2017, 02:37:38 pm
@keithbythe sea (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5078)
I am guessing the "careful knife work" is just a question of scoring the redutex with the knife against a straight edge? Is it an easy material to cut/score?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 08, 2017, 08:09:13 pm
@keithbythe sea ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5078[/url])
I am guessing the "careful knife work" is just a question of scoring the redutex with the knife against a straight edge? Is it an easy material to cut/score?


Overplaying my skill levels really. I can best describe the Redutex as a reasonably soft rubber like material. It is self adhesive with a removable paper layer at the back. Really easy to cut with a new sharp craft knife. Only problem I found was that if you cut "face up" the backing paper tends to want to slide around on the cutting mat. You can cut face down, which for my corrugated steel is not ideal as you can't see the corrugations. Great material, really pleased with it.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on July 09, 2017, 06:32:10 am
Thought I would try out the Redutex on one of the quarry buildings first. Larger area than the conveyors so better chance to get used to working with the material.

Here is a naked (can I use that word on here??) building:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-070717202344-53202129.jpeg[/url])

This shows the only plain side of the building. I didn't think ahead that the other three sides all have openings in them.  :doh:

Note to self, need to correct the drooping access platform half way up.

However, after much careful knife work a corrugated steel clad building was created:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-070717202343-531992058.jpeg[/url])

Now need to put the roof on and clad that.

Many thanks to Steamie for the recommendation. Great stuff,  :thankyousign:


Great to see that you have done a brilliant job Keith it looks really impressive.  :thumbsup:

One tip for you, if you place the Redutex on your building slightly oversize before cutting, you can get the corrugated to match up better, you only need to be about 2mm.

Have you tried any off their other stuff, i have bought some walling i am going to try on Roedann Viaduct when i get myself sorted, (on here without Anne knowing at the moment).   Happy Modelling Keith, and hope to see more of your great layout.   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 11, 2017, 05:47:32 pm

Great to see that you have done a brilliant job Keith it looks really impressive.  :thumbsup:

One tip for you, if you place the Redutex on your building slightly oversize before cutting, you can get the corrugated to match up better, you only need to be about 2mm.

Have you tried any off their other stuff, i have bought some walling i am going to try on Roedann Viaduct when i get myself sorted, (on here without Anne knowing at the moment).   Happy Modelling Keith, and hope to see more of your great layout.   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks Steamie, that's a really good point. I nearly got there myself thinking about how I would put the roof on!

With regards to other Redutex, I have been looking at their paving range. I am working on the fourth (at least) version of my harbour walls and like the look of the stone setts. I have also found that Vollmer do a range of textured card. I can see the advantages of card for walling and flat surfaces but Redutex will win every time for apex style roofing or curves.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 11, 2017, 06:36:41 pm
And on goes the roof...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-110717173636-53269128.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 11, 2017, 06:42:34 pm
Really excellent work, Keith.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 12, 2017, 07:37:12 pm
With enthusiasm high the cladding crew quickly moved on to the conveyor, a full sides and roofing job, and put a roof on to part of the rock crusher unit.

Max X Posure, the island photographer, chartered a helicopter to capture some footage from the "sea" side of the island.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-110717173643-532731189.jpeg)

Not one to miss an opportunity he got the pilot to fly down lower to capture a sneak preview of a Class 22 hauling some recently re-painted hopper wagons on their way from the paint shop.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-110717173638-532711294.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 12, 2017, 08:25:58 pm
Thanks for the update, Keith. The rock crusher looks excellent.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Steamie+ on July 13, 2017, 10:36:05 am
And on goes the roof...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-110717173636-53269128.jpeg[/url])


Brilliant job Keith, well done. Now on to bigger things hey..  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: GoodsYard on July 16, 2017, 06:02:18 pm
Those hoppers look grand in their new paint work, props on the layout its looking grand.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 20, 2017, 04:27:43 pm
A major change... a large hole has appeared in the quarry floor  :o

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-110717173646-53274356.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: mika on July 21, 2017, 03:01:45 pm
Intriguing!
Is it a diamond mine? :confused1: :doh: :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: weave on July 21, 2017, 03:52:29 pm
Sorry, couldn't resist....

https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7344/10363840764_273d7bb244_b.jpg

Anyway, yours looks far more comfortable.

Still thinking of proper answer.

Thunderbirds Tracey Island?

Sorry again, been in the sun.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on July 22, 2017, 03:04:25 pm

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5078-110717173638-532711294.jpeg[/url])


Looks like Max also grabbed a photo of a secret nuclear reactor in the background.... adding weight to the tracey island theory :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 25, 2017, 07:56:26 am
Thank you for your replies...
Not a diamond mine. I like the idea, maybe a future layout will have a multiple level mine, with a helix running around it. Where are my calm pills...

Mrs Keithbythe sea says I can't have a layout in the bathroom (nice idea, but NPN would be very concerned that there is no edge protection...)

Not a nuclear reactor, the base of my desk light, temporarily installed in the harbour for extra lighting for the photos. Another idea for the future, no stop.

It's an access hole for the inevitable derailments and track cleaning under the quarry. The original plan had one but my enthusiasm to get trains running meant that it was deemed to be an "unnecessary delay". As always real life has struck and out came the drill and saw...

However, it does mean that I can build the quarry floor detail as a separate model on plasticard base.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on July 25, 2017, 08:39:07 am

However, it does mean that I can build the quarry floor detail as a separate model on plasticard base.


Knew there would be a silver lining in there somewhere, or as it is a mining theme, maybe that should be a silver seam :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on July 25, 2017, 08:43:35 am
I thought that hole was something to do with a Thunderbirds launch pad and that Lady Penelope would turn up somewhere.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on July 25, 2017, 10:29:21 pm
with reference to your query on my thread, I have a few cranes, far more than a preservation society needs, even for canabalising spares from!  Sure we can come to some arrangement :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 26, 2017, 07:09:20 am
Thank you Andrew. I'm after a land based crane (rather than rail). Because of Sonmel's back story I can be very flexible on type and era. I will pm you.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 02, 2017, 05:25:11 pm
Very wet here today, so a chance to run some trains and have a general play (take stock of progress). Also fitted and glazed 16 windows, 2 doors and built 8 walls.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 10, 2017, 05:22:46 pm
After another wet Wednesday down here yesterday, all of the painting, glazing and assembly has produced a result...

Primed components:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-100817171254-541541920.jpeg)

Painted components:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-100817171254-54163694.jpeg)

Also including some painted pallets and drums (missing drum eventually found on floor of man cave without embedding it in my knee)

Assembled components, just the staircase and handrails to finish:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-100817171437-541642025.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 16, 2017, 05:00:14 pm
Concern grows surrounding the mystery of the hole in the bottom of the quarry. There is much speculation as to what may be found....

The trusty class 04 is despatched with a mixed load of tools and supplies:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-160817165428-54294740.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on August 16, 2017, 05:26:57 pm
I hope the mystery is solved soon.
By the way, the 04 does look good in kellow (I have a boring old green one).
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 16, 2017, 05:39:50 pm
Thanks for the update, Keith. That is a very attractive little goods train. However, somehow, the guard in his brake van seems to have been left behind?
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 17, 2017, 05:00:44 pm
Hi Chris, thank you for the feedback, you are correct. As a private island Sonmel sometimes strays from normally accepted procedures. Indeed last year there was an incident involving staff working at height without safety harnesses which sparked some debate here.

However, the forum seems to operate in a very flexible part of the space-time continuum. This has allowed me to post pictures of the following (or is that preceding?) events showing a different version of reality. Or is this the real version of events? Ooh, my brain is beginning to hurt, nurse the screens please...:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-170817164113-543031413.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-170817164113-54295440.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-170817164117-5430470.jpeg)

The guards van is detached in the quarry siding allowing the tools and equipment to be delivered closer to the work place.

PS I'm still trying to remember where I parked the De Lorean so that I can get to the Thomas weekend at the Perthshire Preservation Society  :hmmm:

 
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 17, 2017, 05:04:54 pm

By the way, the 04 does look good in kellow (I have a boring old green one).

Yes, Martin, it's a jolly fellow in yellow. Not sure about other colours being boring though. Rails have the 04 on offer at the moment, I have been contemplating buying another in blue. However, I may well have to wait until Christmas due to budgetary constraints... :(
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 17, 2017, 07:52:57 pm
Thanks, Keith. The yellow brake van looks very fine. I hope the guard has forgiven the train's driver for setting off without him and his van! 8-)

Yes, indeed, this forum does seem to operate in a very flexible part of the space-time continuum. 8-)))
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 20, 2017, 04:36:00 pm
A phone call from Jeff Tracy to keithbythe sea finally resolves the mystery of the quarry. Jeff explains that essential maintenance work to the swimming pool on Tracy Island required a re-deployment of TB1. As is well known, operations from Tracy Island are held in strict secrecy. The re-deployment was therefore kept secret even from the owner of the new temporary base.

However, Max X Posure, captured a sneak snap of the final lift off:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-200817162302-5434310.jpeg)

With TB operations now completed work on re-opening the Sonmel quarry can proceed again.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 20, 2017, 04:46:04 pm
Excellent, Keith. Thanks for this fun update.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: RailGooner on August 20, 2017, 05:18:15 pm
F.A.B. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 22, 2017, 06:02:15 pm
New (to me) rolling stock has arrived on the island...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5078-220817175902-544091294.jpeg)

Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 22, 2017, 06:59:29 pm
Very nice, Keith. The "Hymek" must have been fitted with dual (air and vacuum) brakes then to work with the new arrivals. 8-)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: mattycoops43 on August 22, 2017, 08:15:07 pm
Very nice, Keith. The "Hymek" must have been fitted with dual (air and vacuum) brakes then to work with the new arrivals. 8-)

Nooo, they are simple 'Rule 1' brakes. They can run anything quite easily! :P
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on August 22, 2017, 08:22:11 pm
Those two bridges look really good from that angle.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 23, 2017, 07:04:53 am
Very nice, Keith. The "Hymek" must have been fitted with dual (air and vacuum) brakes then to work with the new arrivals. 8-)

Nooo, they are simple 'Rule 1' brakes. They can run anything quite easily! :P

Thank you Matty. It seems that Jeff Tracy sent Brains to Sonmel to have a chat with the maintenance guys as recompense for use of the quarry.  ;)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 23, 2017, 07:06:34 am
Those two bridges look really good from that angle.

Thank you Martin. The lower bridge is still very much work in progress!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on September 26, 2017, 05:35:56 pm
Whilst work still slowly continues in the quarry, awaiting shipments of supplies from the mainland, there has been some progress down at sea level.

Development of the access road has started, with the following mock-up developed as the final(?) solution:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5078-260917172739-56162786.jpeg)

Western Sultan has been called in to action to check clearances (both height and width) for the overbridge

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5078-260917172743-561921909.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 26, 2017, 06:21:33 pm
Thanks for the latest update, Keith. Looking very good.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on September 26, 2017, 07:02:52 pm
Yes Keith. Looks good indeed.
Looks like plenty of room for Western Sultan there.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Innovationgame on September 26, 2017, 08:20:22 pm
When you use phrases like 'the final solution' it always sounds like gassing badgers.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on September 27, 2017, 07:04:33 am
No badgers on Sonmel.  :)

I am still trying to source some mountain goats....
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Bealman on September 27, 2017, 07:08:56 am
Heaps of clearance there for the sultan!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Webbo on September 27, 2017, 07:37:29 am
Keith, your photo of Western Sultan negotiating the curve really shows it to be the Sultan of Swing.

Webbo
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Bealman on September 27, 2017, 07:49:38 am
Yeah but because of the clearance, it's not in dire straits.  :D
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 01, 2017, 10:26:09 am
Thank you for the feedback on the clearance.

Bridge construction:

Beams welded to bridge deck, (much easier to do than on the prototype), and primed:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5078-260917172743-561911900.jpeg)

Bridge beams painted in "Sonmel green":

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5078-260917172745-56193709.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 02, 2017, 05:08:05 pm
Well the Sultan might well have been swinging under the bridge with the attached Pullmans, but wait a minute. We could be in Dire Straits after all. Is that really the tallest rolling stock on the island?

ďWhat we need is are some Private Investigations, any ideas?Ē
ďYeah, thereís a specialist company on the Telegraph Road, letís call them inĒ.

The private investigator duly turned up on site.

ďIím so glad that you called me out, really pleased to get out of the office. We have a serious case of Industrial Disease there at the momentĒ.

ďOh really, Iíd only heard good things about the companyĒ.

ďOh itís normally OK there, although I think that itís a case of working there for Love over Gold if the truth be told. Anyway, like I say, pleased that you called me out today, and every time Iíve been here before we have no problem with the weather, It Never Rains on SonmelĒ.
 
Those Private Investigations revealed that the crane is significantly higher than any locos and carriages Ö.(Ooops):

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5078-011017103058-56274542.jpeg)

Raising the abutment foundations by a couple of mm proved to be a very satisfactory (final) solution to the problem:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5078-011017103057-562711977.jpeg)

{Many apologies and acknowledgements to Mr Knopfler for the above dialogue based on the album "Love over Gold"}
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on October 02, 2017, 05:13:26 pm
So......your musical tastes are confirmed then.
Glad you found a solution to the problem .
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 02, 2017, 05:16:15 pm
As a big Dire Strait's fan, I enjoyed that from the very first song reference to the end, Keith. Very clever. Thanks too for the photos. As you've found, it's always wise to run your longest, widest, tallest rolling stock before fixing anything down near the track.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 02, 2017, 05:18:26 pm
So......your musical tastes are confirmed then.
Glad you found a solution to the problem .

Oh, my musical tastes are rather eclectic, more later maybe. However, Love over Gold is a good (very) album.

I'm really glad that I found that I had a problem before the serious terraforming started.  :-[
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on October 03, 2017, 11:43:56 am
Great updates Keith, and also loved the play on song titles, a lot of Alchemy happening on Somnel :)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 05, 2017, 07:16:53 am
Hmmm, Alchemy, not an album in my collection. Lots of tracks, bit of a challenge there...
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 17, 2017, 05:14:31 pm
The bridge steelwork fabricators continue to fiddle, but the terraformers have been in for the first pass of the next rock formations. The road foundations have also been completed:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5078-171017170811-56780396.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on October 17, 2017, 05:27:44 pm
Looks really good.
Steady progress.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 17, 2017, 05:48:50 pm
Coming only very well, Keith.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 18, 2017, 07:18:53 am
Thank you Chris and Martin. As you say, steady progress. Mrs keithbythe sea is quite happy with this as she is worried that when I finish this layout I will be looking to build another one  :no:
I donít know if you are fully retired yet Martin, but since I did in March I seem to have even less time...
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on October 18, 2017, 08:19:13 am
Thank you Chris and Martin. As you say, steady progress. Mrs keithbythe sea is quite happy with this as she is worried that when I finish this layout I will be looking to build another one  :no:
I donít know if you are fully retired yet Martin, but since I did in March I seem to have even less time...
Not quite Keith.
I finish my working life at 11.30 on Thursday Nov 2nd. Mrs PP is then taking me out for lunch.
As Iím self employed, Iíve been winding down for some time but Iíll be glad to reach the big day now.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 30, 2017, 03:55:43 pm
The terraforming team have been experimenting with the next rock faces. South of the harbour the geology is dominated by volcanic ash deposits. This has posed an interesting challenge. Hopefully the trial and error process(es, and very many of them...) has resulted in something vaguely realistic (the edges need significant "tidying")...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5078-301017154759-574671602.jpeg)



Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: port perran on October 30, 2017, 04:19:40 pm
I think that is looking really impressive and realstic.
Keep up the good work Keith.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 30, 2017, 04:48:50 pm
Very nice work, Keith.
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Cornishnavy on October 30, 2017, 06:01:47 pm
Hi Martin
Have you noticed the rock strata on the east cliffs on Porthtowan beach. From the horizontal to vertical within a few feet. Only five miles from Carharrack. Will need to be there at low tide unless you have surf board!
Regards
Geoff
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Train Waiting on October 30, 2017, 06:15:55 pm
That's a very nice formation, Keith.

Takes me back to my student days!

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Milton Rail on November 05, 2017, 07:20:14 pm
The rock face looks fantastic, hats off to the terraformers   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 06, 2017, 07:23:28 am
That's a very nice formation, Keith.

Takes me back to my student days!


Thank you John. I guess that you arenít a geologist since you speak of your student days? Perhaps a geographer or engineer maybe?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 06, 2017, 07:25:46 am
The rock face looks fantastic, hats off to the terraformers   :thumbsup:

 :thankyousign: lots of attempts, but got there eventually!
Title: Re: Sonmel
Post by: Train Waiting on November 06, 2017, 07:33:44 am
That's a very nice formation, Keith.

Takes me back to my student days!


Thank you John. I guess that you arenít a geologist since you speak of your student days? Perhaps a geographer or engineer maybe?  :hmmm:

Geographer.  Rarely used it for business but handy for the better things in life, such as railways - real or model!