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Title: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on July 26, 2015, 10:52:34 am
Welcome college modeler,

A new thread for a new project. It's not entirely sure, but all indicators point towards the theme of my new layout being the station of Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920. I'm still hopeful to acquire the original track layout of the station from last century, but it's a struggle to find it. But the coarse lines are set, and I can start planning.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dpEawoCNe8BCcpND3d6BSjgu2pAws0RXzNSmq_2WTOBmMOCBVXNHw_oJrvDd8h75uop6j9Kaeo2qkReNY1bofoa_xaTXN07k6hnte860e4aaaPrkscVDiln6UMrO_t2X-CvzwTJmrapZWOvLG1wpXpqbD_zAQBlrOJwcVfkwLf123_myYW3tk96yENinbptFZydoN7bofpCaK6SILO2QhJNDbkHChXd3P3Ut8kUntzc-NPjzPekBaOYabCmubTWLemcc-YS2hSYdjSXHGfjXGeRE-v5gIjg_SoTaG_vaSWe9r_uF4LifuA5ZuxIX7N5ttLWXWiI8phJUWTk_-bmFRlb-2Lng9qw_f78jqwElsu7AHo5oyEL7Cw0zHpwqMCDfhuhORN7b4EdgQFuokNCRu_w89rx7WI-lCY3NDDZdNnbPLq3ke-68ExFave8oeNl5KprMge2_GWQcwZwYKy4rscGARj7WgeHt9YcP7U6TmmylePzs1r7Bn7M7a_FWqkZKashOFM5dVIOp56K8qvCiZiMwZVH5cZKWhrGNVuew_pwVjHXYJ_7flskDgKdQZrnW5slsX3Vo3wfNq2NNfZVWBfX3pd2kkdqOnildheEvDg=w1019-h654-no?.jpg)

Via Bruciel one can notice the general concept of the track layout: a pass-through station on a double-track mainline with adjacent a large yard of waiting tracks. The station is situated upon line 161, between Brussel and Luxemburg.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/NeVBiHBBFrK1K_RkbOHCQ5eVcf8uwWdqO7JztTsHvCFAppKE9sVH63lonkKyseYKR6t2JvS6xBcBHpYwetjJTKZ_CjINmI8xgRlGDf1mBWcEz59jXAwvHnSDfjMqlbM2hDTXmOVjrvu9WOD41fzKDwynxNfbisGSVoCWO0isaesczeSRBBb9chrQICC8CIt0_mm6fqRE1FG7Dd-d9XABi2RoY6F-6SOIwn-sbnxELA5XUk5TB17Rsc9HR_WSa1mHRlsJUCJRZdIgVnpaNQHBpWu6PhMFgX1eedq1bOgMEQs_GZuOACx7mWQu1TeyVC9oOeoXMYBaUBOTb8V26DxekMgjc3HW647s0TiJtJ36Ka-vJpZu3RdmU8GcOhuIBLAbalwIhdSS8dSD80Ml3ERqxHr3PiT9iWaB0l0RoZqlq1LpwU_gJubk2g4bNPm-sWhc8l4xYofoTw6t2ylpKnse2FnQpumi8vf73WmGFTTOCjcyCAyTXI8W6cDKdu7g543iy0n-a-HSA0kKa6Bsbe5Gluk-4l35hve9ZIr29vwO6QYZqHJXHPDpiKLWlmKVEEpnJzsb3_WSw4-YlytezasVVWIA4SOXuFu3bDIm3mW_5g=w1440-h280-no?.jpg)

I will build the actual station with modules, which permit me to participate at exhibitions, but the rest of the layout (hidden yard, helices, ...) will be build into a fixed cabinet. I'll post on a regular basis the construction of my layout on this forum. I hope you'll enjoy this new adventure... 
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Pengi on July 26, 2015, 10:56:31 am
Looking forward to seeing the progress on this  :thumbsup: A very impressive station.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: joe cassidy on July 26, 2015, 11:40:43 am
Michiel,

Good luck with this project - it's my kind of layout.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Al. on July 26, 2015, 01:56:31 pm
Michiel.

Looks an interesting layout. Look forward to progress.


Al.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on July 27, 2015, 08:31:53 pm
I just began the wood work of the cabinet. It will take a while before the first stage (level of the hidden yard) is ready. It's not really my thing, but it has to be done. Untill then...
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Pengi on July 27, 2015, 10:32:36 pm
Love the web-site.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: McRuss on July 28, 2015, 06:58:17 am
Hello Michiel,

I hope your new layout will progress well.

Markus
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on July 28, 2015, 08:43:08 am
Thanks Pengi! Although the website was still the old one about Brussel-North. I changed it now. But you'll notice that the new website is rather empty, which is logical. the project just started a day ago.  ;)

Markus, that is my intention. I try to get a little more speed in this project, but one never knows what the future brings. We'll see...
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on July 29, 2015, 10:09:45 am
As said, the wood work has begun. Day by day the cabinet will take form...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/wjiv7M5mWIlRNGkC7SjSye1iRZf8BElrNXubR0olkZEpVUGmqWtrc0DZmb9OCsgjHgs1UahnAibid7lKY0weT9oIy2mYUiugvND76CdkyOsADXHx3Cu9xOUnpLNHtyeMt0UsMpsn6w6xIWibp-TvQiofNDlOvgI97e4dnr6gr2A7X9pirUWBQd-AyzchDQAMG0rcCK8csBo6SV3BhEHcY6cogxWD98AkPCAlsdJfGKbctKDe6MTWCjC6S5lOa9JBLUG4imaYZ1jc7HYBsWHXdZi0HHYM72-HeM7Aw_mzRFR9JjU6svIU1yWKOuKDmLKibqjETu5DiqV0CFRXE3aBHHtQBL5kjhDiCR9eR9vwCvUT3QSk4BcXcacRWgdK6IeBN8RIR8TFAFcIM4ZdEw_yqQFHYTpEcmE3FVu9lN6FHBNXbsbxlcjTsSyolMCVRqfcgnoVOJkIr6gTCeeRdgPuF9f4sZA6zrn9BLmkdDLu0YYctc2nTY3WhkObiYuSAbrWO2kks7SRJ9kCZxmq2oc17LMcRaTBXcN9iIC2ALYXmoi-6ZYYtC8ezomKanPn8iZazFTylHkSYdQ1R6qFqSfNpJATCoiFWinPB1tLezJWTg=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: MinZaPint on July 29, 2015, 11:36:02 am
Really looking forward to following this and seeing your lovely steam locos in action  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on July 30, 2015, 08:39:47 am
I've developed a first version of the track layout of the hidden yard. In fact it consists of two hidden yards side by side. Each helix descends to it's own yard, with it's own loop track. I used the low-cost Peco points ST-5/6 because of it's compactness and good reputation.

(http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab181/Modelspoor/Lx1920/Sporenplan%20Schaduwstation%20LX%20versie%201_zpsmmmrmm5r.png) (http://s862.photobucket.com/user/Modelspoor/media/Lx1920/Sporenplan%20Schaduwstation%20LX%20versie%201_zpsmmmrmm5r.png.html)
(click to enlarge)

The pros of this concept are:
- all track have the same length (2m, 12 long carriages)
- 12 tracks per side, with each track 1 long train or 2 (shorter) trains possible (48 trains max)
- Two hidden yards upon one level
- Only two turning loops for the entire layout (electrical loop module needed to avoid shorts)
- Test driving is possible within this level (via the yellow points)

The cons of the concept are:
- the use of two track crossings, which might introduce potential problems
- deepest tracks are less easy accessible
- A zig-zag in the red track (potential problems)
- Points are insulfrogs (potential pick-up problems)


Please leave a note if you have any remark, suggestion or critics about this concept. I'm working on an alternative to avoid the two track crossings. Tomorrow probably more news about that.  :wave:

P.S. What are your experiences with Peco's ST-5/6 points in DCC operation?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on July 30, 2015, 06:45:32 pm
Under the motto: why do it simple when complicated works well?!  :D This is the second version of the hidden yard design. It's a lot simplere! Disadvantage: smaller radius of the return loop (R2), and no more test driving within the hidden yard.

(http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab181/Modelspoor/Lx1920/Sporenplan%20Schaduwstation%20LX%20versie%202_zpshr6xulzh.png) (http://s862.photobucket.com/user/Modelspoor/media/Lx1920/Sporenplan%20Schaduwstation%20LX%20versie%202_zpshr6xulzh.png.html)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: mickster04 on July 30, 2015, 10:07:45 pm
(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/61317909.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on July 31, 2015, 06:42:14 am
 :D Maybe a tad exaggerated in size and expression, but thanks your feedback. It's appreciated.  ;)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: mr magnolia on July 31, 2015, 07:20:00 am
Hi Michiel
Have you tried the trackplan with peco small radius streamline points in place of set track?
I find it difficult to maintain slow running speeds over insulfrog points and the ST 5/6 ones are such tight radius that those combined challenges are the only real running problems I find on my little layout.

An impressive ambition that you have here again though - enjoy!

Donald
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on July 31, 2015, 08:40:16 am
Hello Donald,

I have tried the Peco streamline (ST395/6) but they need sooo much more space to do the same as with the settrack points.

I have bought 1 settrack point ST-6 for testing purposes, and they work astonishing well. I never had one problem during test; no derailment, no hiccups, no stand-stills. I used all kinds of locomotives and wagons, going from slow (not crawling slow, but just slow) to fast, and all went extremely well. I browsed the net to have an idea about others using these points, and all were very satisfied, except for the small short-circuit problem at the point's hart, where wheels touch sometimes both tracks (I experienced the same problem). With a file this problem has been dealt with.

I'm convinced that these settrack point will do the job, but I will build my hidden yard in stages: first the essence and test drive. Once the fail save working has been confirmed, I'll buy and install the rest

Donald, thank you for your message. I appreciate the concern you have, and for sharing your experience with me. Much appreciated!  ;)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on July 31, 2015, 06:14:21 pm
In made a short video about the evaluation of Peco's SetTrack points ST-5 & 6. They convinced me, and I'm planning to use them in my hidden yard.

https://youtu.be/hHWsm2M-JI8
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: joe cassidy on July 31, 2015, 08:41:20 pm
Michiel,

I'm convinced !

I think that the secret of achieving good running through these points is the alignment of the track leading into and out of the points.

You have got this just right.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: MinZaPint on August 01, 2015, 02:55:58 pm
Nice video  :thumbsup: I hope you enjoyed watching your lovely locos doing circuits as much as I did   :thankyousign:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 03, 2015, 08:15:42 pm
Thank you for your replies!

@Joe (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3251), I indeed always spent some time and effort alining tracks. I believe it's an important factor in having a trouble free running of the layout afterwards.

@Minzapint: it has been a long time since I had locomotives running. I enjoyed the moment and am eager in having the hidden yard operational, so I finely can have all my trains running. There are a lot of locomotives and wagons I've never seen running! That has to stop!  ::)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 05, 2015, 08:10:34 pm
Woodwork! Not my thing but it has to be done. Little by little the cabinet takes form, but still a long way to go...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/qkaVkNrnp9uaVL_26bmGVV41yesYYMziCkm89yC8Iv78vwSlbzL77x3BdneaOnbUoKIZ9usY_wr2P1IoDVXlNyUeqMpH80qZ3nIQ9PuqE2dm9NeqCNrLzU_ineEpYorB1OOJV7FTaj3rcNWOXuhTL9kKTphmAAbvhbQeA6fNa_hPxqeZLGK5zrtpiNLLJ9FTt-1QOnICYFCUKTs8tJc6Ae1c6W8WR1cy0QnN7NUwJsj_U-r2eu9JZ1-cqqZuUL2TARuP9iNQ5f-YaCDorg-9Dc9mIXTEiySFaAsc63ptZ2SE84c5AN7_OcwPkbEcMoGSvA1eq4ZVErSV5AP3qAcRVRIUHYeDqqx0cfoRTYGS8nsNcb-SgqWWscXQO4zjtvmhj_W2a7X1zNwKqbvT0vdkbFstGQysKfbNhoOZbIxDqllv5J_MzllUFT2YwOhVhiY4iz5S-9ngE8vudiodvCI3zkrthTGX9T2bbdsOOcRVR6H98_65ZXj2Pd5hNmi9s4-VB_MzotbnEwsyUbkGUjltfY7hQu9Prl0cIn_WqhDyiyqsQIWgLcI9E1E5YZaxMGNunGqO1ThV5uY7Zk_DKuRkQzmJeazR8tFWglA7hkWSHw=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on August 05, 2015, 09:10:19 pm
As someone who excels at reducing perfectly good wood to sawdust and off cuts, take it from me that looks fine and sturdy, Michiel.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: McRuss on August 05, 2015, 10:11:17 pm
Hello Michiel,

your layout is progressing well.

Markus
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Mito on August 05, 2015, 10:43:56 pm
Looking good :thumbsup:
One suggestion, if the back and sides are not going to be solid then put a couple of diagonals in to give the frame work more rigidity.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 06, 2015, 06:38:31 am
Thank you, guys!

@Mito (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3659), Your suggestion is totally valid when judging the image.  :thumbsup: I was planning to have back and side panels indeed for the rigidity. Thanks for you feedback!
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: André-NL on August 06, 2015, 12:46:21 pm
Hi Michiel,

A very ambitious plan indeed :thumbsup:.
Will you be re-using the turntable from your old layout? It did look great.

Don't know what length of trains you had planned but are you sure that the long rakes run well in your helix?
I hope so, love long trains :D

André
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 06, 2015, 12:55:26 pm
I will certainly reuse the turntable.  ;)

I've no idea whether trains with a length of 2 meters will be able to climb the helix. I'm planning to have a grade of less then 2%, but then yet, it's quite a steep climb. I'll test-run, to see the possibilities and problems. Anyway, most (if not all) trains will be shorter then the maximum of 2 meter.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 07, 2015, 07:38:30 pm
... still busy with the wood work...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/I5s33MdI5YoRwYKYVmctLxLOxu_p0rTWqG9Wlo4_-RHxLyKInZHqRndGSyIkJjOHofxLCHa4DaboyNI8MwFgYzVjMcoK-i_JO3BSipM7e87fWn19V6LDLTlPD9EZ0ssJy0aulHyjYzHrUkbaqa7c893rMVloQHKzWmBj9ePx8qPjmyNHKJY25Y6DigT99IqtDnsbkdBxNoDA3rk_umgBlLC6j9ml3bgwfr3591WRTHY00DIL4FGOTaFjtSIJCn_dXLKUemoVUyjiS7J5Vn-e3TdQTTCuE6vJ6Qy9YcMhYJAwMEIPwA-RMZjiaw1rY9yPJmpnyt4lnNa6geZfJViMQuXU9jk1uel6DEyrw9DXesoovwc0gKM4g19-VFTZmYy685q0jPQXIOQVaYcL2QrC1v-WQkBMCzKHAGufRfYZwNfm1ur9fgzY03c85fb_DXDVzCbPCmW-L54ZlCXPEJA15xXKu93MCj4jb3yE2HyPKe4yPfDW89mAFsivCo5JjqCd8yJSGECIgeYHBk5yzvHRL80s9LkHwsszNrtfHK_VpdhLwl6YeQ85XpX-9tS0263L6huQWmO8s4OuM3OzzyOonlMok9JiYzvitISkjdTjhg=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 10, 2015, 08:34:50 pm
I had this weekend a little time for myself, so I continued the construction of the cabinet. One day it will be finished...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hqg2rjKqlI4QA-HsaDzFJ3dH4G7qao0iVa6pzBkASW65wgOs4Kwkpi3YT8bQx93bScvZEsjXR3RkFVslu8pLxRc1uPowuYcecNVub8NP22hVcruH5NF2C6wmqr0LvWRJghm0Lr0GV2R4t1V411dXAdNxyDnkZpnFFv79OEFDt2HtMKOlCEiUoOhlocwEpLtkNF2m_h0e1dyYogXLS8FWzVAmW75_cqHXdAAc6VqxPySYMg9u448xXrCgTDhkEs5rtWNJ5OwlZZnNf91_Wmn3kW1MtaR4bKjKaX3tP-BoS9fx0C4CQQMWzK-CmEXVF8KIGe99eKn1zHMZ61MhvNK7fURtO51uT4ZkCs--vT6VgqYtk5f8QkexGogavbh5bMS1stRq3dFVdJQkKSPdPY_4VVlYq6N5Sn3PHuOF6zY1U0SCUc0Zfy8jnHYTDPvM6PqcnKDcmIyjGEkeYpVAoPuSbJl2KOzVt6rqb7CsoDAL03qr1bCM6la1-hkXYvuGKJrL-CKyNwCb3usSMncntTCrI9Iv-NCBSglzCLGuW2S6nVqMIXBJaxMssoXsMXxyUofuhuHQzfUXelD2Qa6y0MaiPrdNr7pExRp0-zyrXxdNBw=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 15, 2015, 05:58:38 pm
Today I had time to continue, and made the framework of the most right helix block. For the left helix block I still need to move a lot of "junk" from one corner to another...  :)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/z5e5z-WuS4HjkRDpAjt_sgBqXyPXqkVTQB76YaMloeHl8VaHKhRucpcLCiJvieuS5SvCxB8PWNP8bF65VgpIzyOjbv-bIhmPBEustMwdZfqM9bHtxak8KX-aI8F0haT92uBgPWh5zyYWwAWk1O1sRwDt-fUwsTxKn129GQCk7Gr7SrpjiJ8gTkTTAtioA6aaVx-6DEOlXQAnLYWUHunLd9TVq_kaqmTi4VUw0Hvf8Nm6CVvzQxNF4NeW1qTJRxuGgCXHpeO1-2GgGa0K8v0YScXvqaJinTtxEzcZiOhqhtKXkriHXbe0gYaVAKbJqvrOKaVByNScLJcilu7ifsQ_2geagsfeyfJ5jOTgOKuq_HRM0GS4neR6eIpd--EwLBHHV6bpAaS3ilIIyCmyKYeHmirGuMu_v9fqP0eeo9lNNx_-ZZfC3uRjxk5aR2w47Fg2UDBiJA9Qekc17FKNXlMbqIaH2ehbix-Y0IHgfLbIfDfhSOCa8cxp2gDMc34oHFSPmsMTQVb2_Zvradtz8azM95lsbPH-hZEKpeAIEUMWi5Aka4k8WJpslOwUNJ2MFV9gxRsj53wTIdlOqJytoldKju8qSljC-5ubl2GZcQi4dQ=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Mito on August 15, 2015, 09:14:36 pm
All very professional looking :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 22, 2015, 09:20:18 am
Thanks Mito!

The wooden panel for the hidden yard is ready. I just need to insulate the wooden beams underneath with a layer of cork. Then I can fix the panel.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/S2AakQkqCBFZw5HTzMj9VQVVGrq7kONuHTdd91i_Ixp5VBMkdQVU-n8PnofxDVRqQyJaV7_qPux3ls-pWIAgUnVIO4O_L3ieVHnB-o4SC5CPNkg6ITjgKW9kh8sfHRG1i6KP6Mh3nyTVwbEVOcaROKL2HjfGA7TdxVvPG8kLVd3XVf58TPFpcGW2bdDRGDqsW3v19kz286v5KvVudsxALRgVaFVKdkq1vXeksKHj-oW2Vn3y_IHAxtvfpjBavIW7Uwfa66oWxfbOnDtGtfIC8b1Ip3HjDgOMMp7FpbMXDMn-1oPeZ4-45_LcFwcYJPuUenwdtus8UG74rSbnaaruCuBXiLQwhISPlOa_Mj1Bm92PVvkVmDU4E8OsouRfIH0SzKdxyy9mgklh7dS8PZs2Fz1d6M5jRGKL0MLytwLfLtGgxhx4rkMZpRQu81AxNSt8l5QVLlRB8uxEK4EXHO9-01T-fRWMdo6oKj01_MvjOSqGLxoVN6cZsgSQARangbnwcu-uL3KXE0jKMiQvO_U5A7dY0QSDjou0vTjTB1QtwZrkSfugCX9hIalYixTW0Tk2sOBUcL0M0md_LOhPK6jFXsx_ZBIbFMFPv0EQKBKAyg=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on September 04, 2015, 09:39:21 am
I soldered a quantity of recuperated flexible track pieces together, and I find myself now with an oval with passing loop. I prepared a train of 193cm length and 63 axles to test the Peco points. How long will it take before one wheel set decide to leave the track, to live it's own life?

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/QVYnJZSiK-uU-ZRvDszvMrBVReDbIISfuRJB0IUG6UML1X5oLX51ItBDwxIXn1vVKdxy37OoQIG1pN8rDCndYtxawOhlghum5wvjaLYkI3fGubr7p6XnMa_mw489RrBx2tE2Gh4F1g7WDXXv_pUGclz85UfxyC1bu6bWHz0B4aGbGEB6NnoqiaN3uxuSo6N10kbIAmYcOLB8fLdjv8rpJ9ly-0bs2NBOy-CEejIS_OSb8Dm3jBZwBPUEn0R0U895TO94aB00nnW1KgqLmjY9PtqhMtWt2uwY5OeY-cV4taJC_VmrjDk8w8vEAVv0B_6lggCYYYT3N3tFGnOaByfmd270QcGvuLYr608tXURggVNQ7Dw5ssKywDxen2PlgtFAaJVzi0KfX2INE8SHDH1e-cL8Z_B9ixQF2GmUrpu7wTV0fmuib0BiMognfjwQFlnxhrDHjJ-zBFijK_vrIfAY_txeTggtrAqW2ZGF2l2--__kUp53IFBr6AklNDtY-lk5ErC9eZtfTY_xy2cLFfrTCdYvU4fZy45QlPXQgaFSOx6AooaB73COO1oBLNf6QVgP_1q2Kc1nAgbL3NJFMrHGGq1QVxppnFDPmNCme3L6fw=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_S3hn8dUCWqRF01XnOVCZv9HMe1zq554K-pSnxlQCqFCeIK6Q2iVhB_mfEfBAF9uknRLorRjqczXNucFYks4xq8nWibNgsqBHmKI2r1hWax0GOYXqk5nLC81qf187DyByqhCPPf2YwwlbAs6xxU1NqZaSIU7TXgDjOu3mgUXTGB8k_t5J7xWP28uXq4CGnYVewvLueT60A4-3p0Nz0Cj7DNSa-A5l5KdEsHYCAd-IV5t-GDncYmEPp0KywLhzPA_6AQmnmqjmeAAYCpdA6w8KudcQYtFclasfdM1sw0Xcy-niPZZPGdNIPtRbuRTX1sw0RnUUOc0a6n7wwm0izAxhKHQ9xrRiUArIlyJsPn4ULXm2tIUxVFNarzI-GJgbZ6ej0SIakxRYTL1DLnDYRCmeHyAeGvk1y8azBkflpEW0XAwnxRy9d8yfpFHvHelA3vCUkxoQ83GymZtqaEs1lVyMZhtq_a0kr_USTOmglDYLsp05n8iZuGLiJqqCO_RKMcXZfo3g8oOiIpgQCixotAlk31OnbebjsuM24gKy8mNd7qXxN9utp_JWeNp6Qdct19C0mpK1xIczq351_z6M7HC6ksD8aIxAsgl9zpTU88rzw=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on September 04, 2015, 09:41:33 am
Very impressive train, Michiel :goggleeyes:
Did it pass the test?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on September 04, 2015, 09:55:16 am
I'll let the train go this evening. So, I'm also curious about the outcome.  ;)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on September 04, 2015, 08:52:08 pm
Everything is working out fine. The long trains do like the Peco points. I'm satified. And here is a short video of the trains in action:

https://youtu.be/MBZVh5Sdc2A
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on September 04, 2015, 09:19:33 pm
That has certainly answered my question, Michiel. Thanks for the vid :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: MinZaPint on September 05, 2015, 04:59:57 pm
Hi Michiel

Great video, bet you enjoyed watching your locomotives Running round as much as I did  :thumbsup: I look forward to watching progress on your layout.

Cheers  :beers:  David
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: mickster04 on September 06, 2015, 04:37:16 am
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBZVh5Sdc2A&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on September 12, 2015, 10:53:32 am
Thank you all!

The return loop track has to duck under the future helix (see track plan, red loops). I was wondering about the grade and long trains. So I tested the setup. A single locomotive with a rake of 2 meter climbs the 1% grade without any difficulty! I'm relieved.

A short clip to illustrate it...
http://youtu.be/hs5oLw7iFgU
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on February 05, 2016, 06:45:21 pm
Hello guys, I'm back to continue with the next episode of my model railway layout: the hidden yard of Brussels-Luxemburg station. I have drawn out the positioning of all tracks, and began to place the first 3 tracks of the yard. Current goal is to have this hidden yard up and running in an automated manner.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/yxpoOMEvH9v1tB6IkcVKpAtfJSd1x8ZKmSKG0HTjRQIyVi-IlW3hYeFqRnI6qMnYAV2jMALM3IPI_zQjbqtQX0Z-IWF50TA6N3CzAWjyLbX195rSAjI7-TvkBtCw7RAgw8lIizOeE6nUgAj0VAd9c6OPkNcYck6O3zNsIaWfVH0dv7gBXER4q7IQ-dLajMl2AoAKlvVmqBBiyqpQHWGJyJvgn6FJEICmpclF3NSfDmRb5zBhsAo2CksV0NsZ2F30zSzNLPMAAKr8-V2K6noO5Hij7YIpsAwlkDnEpfijQuN4_QTTo6rACb6Pg0AMh5HHoWtkjWbaWcIMEx-dyj-0_PRWSHpaHW78NydXlrBTeg_GU9EThisvr8Z1rLkN6zO9spPp_zWJCu80S1zGffE14wvcNerXj_ZMw7fq6G-ri9hZRP346tFkHcToWotqOsXJVHiEGKWZhGFNwmFKyOQerRM4thkW3O8QpOIDkuUn3B1U6bysuw0plRJq4Tjo_NJHj_9Nqp1KrRWqZijLwiQcSXr4cOqRHOH_O16VNI7wQNjsScIULQBMowmnUT1CROLOkEy7DtZ6MYR86d2_a9PvFIDNcY1GVB8Awl3wpYFDMQ=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: joe cassidy on February 05, 2016, 06:49:43 pm
Welcome back Michiel.

I look forward to seeing more of your great modelling.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on February 06, 2016, 12:39:45 pm
Thanks Joe!  :)

For the moment the modelling is restricted to mainly laying track and drawing wires. But it's a necessary phase to get to the more modelling related stuff.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: joe cassidy on February 06, 2016, 01:52:58 pm
Michiel,

We always learn something from you, even when you do "simple" things like track laying or wiring.

Keep us posted.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on February 06, 2016, 04:44:58 pm
It's a beautiful day: the first train drove over the first tracks of the hidden yard, still in construction. Ok, still in analogue operation, but it's a fact!  :)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/204R14tdmug/hqdefault.jpg) (https://youtu.be/204R14tdmug)
(click on the image for the video)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 07, 2016, 09:46:46 pm
 :hellosign: many thanks for the update, always good to see trains running
regards Derek.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on February 13, 2016, 02:22:01 pm
Finely, weekend again, and time to spend on my layout. All track of yard "South" are laid, but not yet connected.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/MLWsF5bkC_6CY6f95-3j5Pdio-hwGkuss6V2x6jKOYapVQaUeBKhc08W8Vx5CLWmrxK-6KAqPlf8dxx9rCX8Nv-g4vPAJImyIqFYwxeno_VbG6UdmXL5slBAMDDBVMtYuOaHBScx2ZWOvFYOEDAfb6-KtcR9j_UYyLa9oLr24T1glSLSwEttl05cAUGCAJe6iMOL0x1zWozo2cATXcCeMqLZaA3JEtdCB6Le8PeZKA5sB3RUmP9PJv6uB1oRK9mAp5DlT67kYkB2M6h7hekCEK_EJMnTtOQQIG7TeBY8Weg4NHu_HU_eqD_fjehHnRnyxbo9IPgplHw9AANOTktDcOQc167y4Dzvh78pfxAlGr521Z5rW-vL2htGy4Fq8Ufh46AFNXSB6K5dUWY76q7TWfdFe0IwzSDtkNZ7jeZ2sQ68YTUyjOfw7GCDHBPlou-uzJlRENEuRb_oaQnSedB14ditQfnmsIDOk1_dukfe8OwO6e1AaqO0BDeBl0m3yE7mDtVNXA7MQ3L8tSaIecRbxusWxkxjMn6GR8FYUFPakmgp0vdsKAtGiaDJOhZ7FaIPYDb5TO6hPpwB_4WouxQ-zoX6VuKHsd553NnHK1daCA=w677-h902-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 13, 2016, 04:24:02 pm
Thanks, Michiel. Very good to have an update. Looking very good.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Southernboy on February 13, 2016, 05:41:24 pm
I've not seen this thread until today. Good luck with your plans Michiel.

Will your new layout feature the two old ladies? I thought they brought some character and personality to your updates :)

And the type 10 locomotive? Any updates on that project?



Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on February 13, 2016, 06:20:48 pm
The two ladies will come back once scenery is getting form, I'm certain. Now they are hibernating somewhere at an obscure place, but they'll be back when things are getting interesting.

And I will continue with my type 10, without any doubt. But for the moment I like to have some trains running again. I's been years I've not had a layout with trains that could have their go and stretch their wheels for a good run.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 05, 2016, 10:59:33 am
All 10 tracks of yard South are connected, and have been tested. I can start the construction of yard North...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uLLb0XEmbPNXQiAj51ozYc-kr_Ar0Uca1EUR6vaYLksYck9v8G9ZnUABPcvYX6RI3ICG8RnO8xHwbHQPwsdgT77cWlzwQ75rjtxtaL8GkvucMRuTUvwnNadaM9I37d0NeF9ulKJOTWqQ7hBO79_UEfUO1VEYxLaXXeSa_OSaG0fPa344KoJtnfruJvX_JLzsvTDr1D2z1yCz6nj6vzbkBhY89NCOMfsp2XiY2LJW-RGmg6Ojyyv-mHeC-C7QrHbxInY3_18WiszVL_ke5ROG7WZU5CKxl3Zf2Nx0zcOQqpPkc-qj_lOafxc9YpKVISTMpCZys39lu3h63iXcOAb5SnV7Aq6MAr2GZIdUZE4vSKERpOHxmWS4zsdqdfWdzuSkgN1M2abHSLb9zZDnziZLE_yozNaDEYywhwltzA5mVQh44A4IAy7hl3soDV3PlpJA0DNnmYrrlGj67k5jDLOaIx_ajAQV1P3ihnw4cjD9co8DfqdR0P9gcEuOHDxNW5UBmx6KFI_RRXxTpZf-U3yYGdbN9hGmsZYcIOPuWlmYMu6LjGOvGtYlzQwRd-GLO44Q9sqNEci4S4X5xpUNMQ1yn7mzbsO3UtcxE98jXMvgrg=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Southernboy on March 05, 2016, 11:22:45 am
Always good to see an update Michiel.

For the visible track through the station: I was wondering will you use Peco, or fiNetrax code 40?

Your wiring set in conduits cut through the cork underlay is very methodical and neat.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 05, 2016, 11:40:29 am
The visible track will be Peco code55 (in stead of the code 80 in the hidden yard). It is very possible that I will build some specific points by hand, also code 55. But the majority of the code 55 points will be from Peco.

Code 40 is better looking, but driving is extremely troublesome. One needs to address all wheels of locomotives and cars, and have smaller flanges installed. That is a huge job. I'll stay with code 55.  ;)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 05, 2016, 12:21:58 pm
Very good to see a new update, Michiel. I agree, Code 55 is a good compromise. I wish you success with building points but, with your model engineering skills, I'm sure you'll do an excellent job.

The SNCF diesel looks very good but it, and its carriages, are rather 'modern' for your chosen period?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 05, 2016, 02:09:03 pm
Thanks Chris.

The diesel is a Luxemburger (CFL), with some Belgian carriages (type M2, the green ones), and a DRG sleeping car. They are not supposed to run services on the layout situated 1920-1930, but these are the first I grabbed when opening boxes looking for material to test drive the layout with.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 05, 2016, 03:12:09 pm
Thanks Chris.

The diesel is a Luxemburger (CFL), with some Belgian carriages (type M2, the green ones), and a DRG sleeping car. They are not supposed to run services on the layout situated 1920-1930, but these are the first I grabbed when opening boxes looking for material to test drive the layout with.

Oops! My mistake, Michiel. In any case, I had meant to write SNCB for the diesel and carriages, so still would have been wrong about the loco.!

Best regards,
Chris
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: wookie on March 05, 2016, 04:23:23 pm
That's a nice looking yard!
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: bluedepot on March 05, 2016, 05:05:29 pm
nice yard and nice nohab!


tim
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 07, 2016, 07:38:17 am
Yard North is getting shape. All track segments are cut on length. All 20 points have been modified electrically to keep them reliable on the long term. Now I can start wiring all 10 yard tracks; 4 sectors per track.
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Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Bealman on March 07, 2016, 07:43:01 am
Go Michiel!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on March 07, 2016, 09:28:38 am
It's going to look awesome, especially when filled with stock :goggleeyes:

All 20 points have been modified electrically to keep them reliable on the long term.

Can I ask what you have done to them, Michiel?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 07, 2016, 10:28:25 am
The problem with these ST5/6 points is that the point rail get electrically feeded by their contact with the stock rail. The point rails are at the same time their own switches. This is nice when the points are new, but once corrosion, glue, paint and dust have done their work, electrical contact is becoming problematic. Point rail lose electrical tension, trains are getting stuck more and more frequent on the points, the modeller is getting frustrated.

I made a fixed connections between point rail and stock rail, by a soldered wire between them. No more problem on that issue (but that might introduce some other issues, which I will deal with later)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4Hp7-s-6YPo/maxresdefault.jpg)

Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 12, 2016, 12:37:59 pm
It' weekend again, so time for some modeling. All tracks of the hidden yard have been wired. The cascade of orange wires are the 80 occupancy signalling wires, waiting for connection to the feedback modules. I just need to solder the occupancy detectors ( diode circuits as current detectors) to all tracks of yard North.
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Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on March 12, 2016, 01:24:34 pm
What can I say but........... :goggleeyes: :jawdropping:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 12, 2016, 02:17:14 pm
Highly impressive work, Michiel. Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 13, 2016, 10:50:22 am
All diode circuits have been placed and connected. The driving tests were positive (with the Nohab, because the Class 55 has a burned out motor). Next step: feeding the points...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uLF0rB7_trsJZrYwZXlw4RcJ5aw0L8tAcosh1HwA8SzO3YaL0O4CwK0-IvtXnHXIzPRXfMSOF3Smj4mI4aFgdTXRtyXdU_Qw4B7P5HkxAzTN6JtgHsFsr-tpgvpSgd8nuzqrFPfYaH6UhgpB1XGvFyUuH8AKLdrXoT1MapWTAJgn2E4qTeFV4TeFSusvw7gF-iO8FR_rf1q9uTYuwqHxRlqS-YJgsxwbAsH9sKKKsJ6J8ViIR3tfCzbL8bETzk8K1a4epvf0OyMA8BveCeqzibtFapxDKXsF6abXwdKun6IorRwstKALWDIpkJjY0wbIFUTetiBYGbQrqnXDA_9fXGkt_nyq6vcc7QipGBHK1-IBb5e6mFMXkRlJVfCitLBpYtJX5qlRJG-Nc2A0b-BoBo7CVxzJIfc474HWDxKiPJ5fku_tZfRNIulzUrp7xW7x2eKBujMdRCC-NWAtUlRGWYd9-QDda1N-bVUFPO9D1vgE737hpZoOslYBLbor7HLYw7AWrAPD3rPtfKun4XxxfhKMPEdB-GXRA0IzYHeQPzHWaLJvwxcaH2O4njlE1qZxd1FWi_CpdDYGYlpaSb3vMWn-g7DOdr-znB039m-Upw=w1203-h903-no)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: mika on March 13, 2016, 12:37:21 pm
This looks impressive, Michiel.  :goggleeyes:
The size of your storage yards is stunning.

Lookig forward to when you progress to scenic development.

Thanks for posting.

Michael
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: André-NL on March 13, 2016, 01:37:12 pm
Hi Michiel,

You are making good progress there :thumbsup:.
I see you use the same nifty diode circuits as in your old layout (Brussel Noord).
Are you using them only for occupancy detection or also to activate some relays?

André


Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 13, 2016, 02:17:44 pm
You are very observant! I use these diode circuits only for occupancy detection. Nothing else.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Shaun Harvey on March 14, 2016, 04:42:29 pm
WOW!

regards

Shaun
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 15, 2016, 07:31:14 am
Thank you for your expression of amazement, Shaun.  :D  and for your feedback.  ;)

@Mika, I'm also look forward to the moment I can begin with the scenic part of the layout. But that has to wait until the hidden yard is ready, and can be covered by the upper part: the actual station of Brussels-Luxemburg.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 16, 2016, 08:04:32 pm
I'm busy connecting points. Every point is fed individually to ensure the electrical operation in the long run. The first street of points is ready, three more to go...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/yZ01cYNYVJQHT3NLHdBrMOpcWCmYraMLAvoSC0Q1Wwl7dP2twhqkgqM3UEzT2V2LkqYdt4b4n03F_w0u7uhBkBKbEgRK6zOO04wFqbaE86ssff9QUQrw6MyWeNhUdKnmB4Pq5eIBGwYm2dFr7ByoMpK-RfktmpYIa8cTw6P7AzYKBFU01zBHbF0jEa8KF8mLkIIph_hFDNfD8bgIsJBVlrVBnXkwXA3qV1H--l1aq26WQ0WGg-IyerK2ixdtij2Wqd_ZelABZv0cAX9hBvzGOHd6Ksy7Fq2lGdJZSq_8pJgtra_AzzbBt7tpSqmyiaav-viynRd7ZmkACo3mEcyVSaSlzBPymaTMmSBQlDrtOGkhrgYOTsrFje1mmlRfBhmJlLTS7khzsBJWKzTf9DdIOwErZko8C83Z-DKCnBKiXYyl8OFTIW0RJGEXgXULY0kxk33xrS71kPl0wCUYIVqhSKvXIcPcx7YGQSfv1zLNUuzUZ-e_FJaKsYVfdlK2aSU4lBnsMAgJwIzMHyrxayMmf5h_hnsxz8w0NjT4OdrFI26uEtYEQX18O3fTHxo4h0FDgIInJXCEzXht3MxLmvHeGBXEAm5W_rjw5G7eSlX_EA=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 19, 2016, 04:59:51 pm
Very nice models, Michiel. A pity the Belgian one is not available RTR.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 20, 2016, 06:31:10 pm
Indeed a pity that so few Belgian locomotives and carriages are produced. But IF they would, then they would be unpayable. The number of Belgian scale N adepts is very low, maybe a few dozen. Production cost would be too high for the few units expected to be bought.

But beside that, I continued with my layout, and wired all 37 points individually. They are now all fed. I tested them briefly with a locomotive, and no short-circuit. So, next step are the two turning loops...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/EK6s5UoyybFUgrFRReJqjzw0mm6PM9hmcNVMaJfCFUUUvCDoph_hhfy0024wrQMfoM9Ia5EL1K3E7XdU6k_r9kvmPnKZwh9DlYQBY-XYz8fdrTkbjiIj1qZ5EK5Y18UfuSlJ_XYZFIdpUHVuY2aCF-8BygiQyEAeX6bv6dmrL3lte87hy4mWK7NJREh7nXyih5aV3G8R-3phrCtCD8D0JRH_ApYofUmw895r-JxoED4_MVCD3QKKtmA2L9rs7TkgpiXQBcZikW8HoHRhtmIJhwA7VPCdQHbFZ3WF3o6a8Ukv7Mu8I8DGXRd2dsJGh_br84pcDLOhG6HNNysvKtSzkM3GekSxrBXcjVDz7AVp2g0uOVMr24cYIp3Dp6XqjyjKFaULDi4fdY62_jHOvhqOeXIQ-ViaCqM4k5hRLbSBecDglyly3xKRBYhPLBTjPsrdYA0eJHihoO0WeaUE3rzf1T42fO-SSFnKtNeeE4uNb8iz9DUwdlImESQrxYAjxe7FK-8xXoWqUirkB-rwV51pOlOdZ63py0MOywGXENlwIdyb6Wq_VqGbrx3xyQxnbHX0PB5XBuCTEi3eBab5g2_aN4gZOq_lNDe8nDKAIUCWAw=w677-h902-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 20, 2016, 06:47:18 pm
Thanks, Michiel; that's a very impressive amount of trackwork.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on March 20, 2016, 07:24:46 pm
A hugely impressive storage yard, Michiel, but how on earth do you reach the back of it if something derails?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 20, 2016, 07:45:35 pm
The total depth is 90cm (about 35"). I tested it, and with my entire arm and shoulder I can reach to the back for simple interventions (little push, re-railing or removing), but for maintenance (e.g. repairs) I can lift away the future modules on top, and then it's like working at the layout as I do today. So I'm confident that it will turn out all right. And of course, I intend the hidden yard to be really reliable... (touching wood again)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: mika on March 20, 2016, 08:24:13 pm
Simply amazing... :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: wookie on March 21, 2016, 07:07:22 pm
That fiddle yard is awesome - I want one  :'(
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 22, 2016, 09:50:00 am
 :hellosign: love that yard, very impressive, thanks for sharing
regards Derek.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 22, 2016, 05:13:10 pm
Thank you for the great feedback. It's always a pleasure to read your impressions, and even constructive criticism I can appreciate. There still is a lot to do, but progress is noticeable. Today I spend some time figuring out how to connect the loopback modules...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jKkGpQsj4xYlOKFKiEfR71Ji4xUsFRuzd9TY3tsaU1-7NL2QdkSFeOZTTFRXkuDpn0Yp64rCdTqAu2-zdt7tJVGSGk03utWIum_P69zO1cvNj-n8XgTvp41bNF6JHHdbE_8RvipsUMm_no_-0xjI6P-1Mmasf7aT7uCVYEZJFnWbDFleq1SrnQYD1fTHk6tckI2bnuNcd_ji1CYwmNR43ROPAYghIrz-tUCOyNWmSujZ3oYAV-p9Cmt0QQA1smpw3gmhHxDa7L3xYIyICyzSj1NYCUyVMa9mddpw6Puy0We4C58nfParZYxdyGSHBaxyHnePBs4qPY9aT-YK36rTYOqgTeiAzocL4b4mnO0v9WlnG6i59wnFSeneEQf5w3cpn0G5L3k5As0NbrMn3xkXMT2Qq-b5El7GnGlqvaNM6l2TnBclyjSLeGGQFBq6PvA2qhMu7IgtsEQzmwhaa-SptyyRadiB0M4xEaUk0yiFke1YAd_jdg0vpWgH2VOS9F_jVpzUoXXtcXI3V935GzgvBaJuMS_NxSdVqf7nY31NGdh7qFS5RbKa3vEwWptMqdFj_dSvccIpyP9fIT_bYFE_MH2H2k0-KPzsiDKTeit9pA=w1203-h903-no)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 27, 2016, 10:22:48 am
Today I started the construction of the first helix, at least the first stage. So some basic woodwork is again a part of my occupation this weekend. To my satisfaction my calculations seem to be correct...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vFVi-bYUdoxP-MfCsXLEf6PS2pRmlKwZYkZ1AZS1q6swJXxglJJUtD8eUH74OJtvpRhU27qn1qQyWC1iEMn2qAqHmGTnFILcerONq9o-nQ0HFDXPWhLvxE6qbJu4DNSeQ7u3bLalWyB5DOB6TgYPmss-J6CWahKQMCwzxyWooK79sfphur9GkEvVSgKzPGOZ8LC8FbJcAiEdccjgU4see-Spj7xlYeW4EzyjeqEPu_ssJpAeTwdxGhA1-65WExsr5gaVRez1Z-ZF_AzsJRi-MS-HQ1Pnu8gbAeF-2l0gF5v7pWZsGBzThYAfn6TVaQxtjPsh9LqYBISKvxwPnZI8eyweOQd9Q0h7hU3a_p7Su1mIYrkigdS5HDOxmzJODAoFoE2vs19S-2sjrHY9J7bBkdaSdRu2xsVQj0hk4j5TmO3nqd2Ov-1oUDN1WofC9VW8kPUTBE6PABEQdfY2XOjZBnHCzKIYn1FceGRopAm0LPlii-MOUfdB09lQL0DKflIPg7-84O6kxr8OkJc527w0m9SXpzH5i5ALxpI6Ibpk6fHfaUAX9isQaioYMszAv0p9swJVNVMXgz690kRLlENk9l-0ZdgiWhmguCavJ_pHnQ=w1203-h903-no)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 31, 2016, 09:48:00 pm
Mini-update: I just build a temporary viaduct to connect both hidden yards together. That way I'm able to test drive the both yards. Now checking if I have enough pieces of track to make the connection by the viaduct...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/tKiu4Fh-ucMJ2Mz_L_lE-1qFxEcQMhpuRnQfTPGaM2ySNptS0UpyFp6vgGcm_953QBfSBhwFfMytsvIYK8nOPp6SgCWzNhKub6l4EffpwFf2iXVXVHWQoHEM4qVFqkv-aoBfTHTP42eu-BwZZ34mteSaHPiQcfJEojC3wpD8SN0J9hcdOuCRFLAYVcZnhjJMXZNacwB5EBP1I5OV1W6yeTJRvSbAGkcEMA1lekKVAb6pJxi7Wz7HGMMM0I3x7F4CooJcX-NlqBVZI3OYyPorP3RVjjDN2kIOK5IqcZh5UA5KmOWKTt4-9vLyIFDRplnGWIJk6PHxkSMKwiI5DrpnBPMSucrULsT9G9L2a6XsN3VscUYoDyr1uJnt9CCgFwAu9zTRVpYI5PuwPee3wTT1zbi1RAHAefqReS0WD1FPgUFwzrIVkcuXHBH2Oq49ZPeKVXhggPncDhFcZjJU_NarRgl1yJKmpiLT1PCo1rklYQv3JVJXvP8Y7-eZaQVXnKygRuCsghyFYNWyDA14vM0iZDyh1ojTnKEkLGvFdZ53tnocjyHJkowNm_ZvAaR9zH7VK1GnTuIjFq6eCLVwNItWl7z0lGh94wjML7QW7LL0oA=w677-h902-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: wookie on March 31, 2016, 10:34:37 pm
There must be nearly 400 quids worth of points on just the fiddle yards!  :o
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: jrb on April 01, 2016, 02:04:10 am
There must be nearly 400 quids worth of points on just the fiddle yards!  :o

Makes the Nelevator look quite a bargain, doesn't it? And all that space saved, too...
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on April 01, 2016, 06:28:01 am
£306 to be exact. You get 36 points for the price of 2 new locomotives. And since I limited the budget for the layout at €100 per month, I have saved for more then 3 months to be able to buy the lot, not to mention all flexible tracks.

What is a "Nelevator"?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Railwaygun on April 01, 2016, 08:06:33 am
The Nelevator is a vertical fiddle yard! There is a thread on NGF and here:

http://www.nelevation.com/nelevator/ (http://www.nelevation.com/nelevator/)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: wookie on April 01, 2016, 08:54:40 am
I saw one at TINGS last year, an amazing piece of kit!
I'm not sure that it would be portable enough to use on an exhibition layout though....
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on April 01, 2016, 10:00:19 am
Can I wait to see the yard filled with stock? Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on April 06, 2016, 10:31:40 am
All tracks have been laid, including the double track connecting both yards over the temporary viaduct. All detection sections have been isolated. For the moment I'm out of wire. I'm waiting for the delivery of more. Once the return loops modules have been wired up, I'll be able to start running trains digitally (but not automated, just by hand controller and switching points by finger)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/raWn-XPCW7x_XL9UhMU9cYSPpBd_R37YLzcqMGUdldhMtFsy0r8bM6Yu3POSoXUqURaX3tuZWutFfpTyHONBWPX9mHdscZ73otAbNR9pPftusCSGEShvjFnBFqYmp0QTWW5dVs8gzbzBc71ApRbEKzf3R5VSE4u2OlLefPDu2u7Nb2kJDHSgYBkfl4KW6sFDQyRCGerwkvo_fvRC72piAi0v4YD4uDgSZqkQaKxSVDnEd9PiNh7RMgcLzYP3Tb1Me3E6ES1FEeOHIDsMhRzqlZWqifUFG3dFCcSDifSlW8PTKK3w8KaS2T_hNIPhI4YmbJdZAQIfL5cf2nPrZ4noejog5wUczRiWfgkmSQWr8iPm_qxx7qKpOpquRjDaVSnDZOI3i0UpK--HoE_bFZ9FvaqHc2cBgMcoCSyqZKD7LbGDfA1Fft6Ppiiwn3hBb3-gNhOzb8olbymyqPpuLRXx57uf4X-x3BjproGjk5MzZW8cp4vD_creENsttV4c0pPpCvu0LdIaNTcMG8lBVfLK1rTwcbWTTzBk3DTS5mu3pWB6wh-fIBSpplTV72_4YZ03VO5pbHzXrnUDd-5iLvJRiPFYq4QQMZ780kyO1PVMWg=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on April 08, 2016, 08:48:09 pm
Today I received the missing wires. I connected the last pieces of track and there: trains can run entire loops through both staging yards, by hand controller, but so what. I'm a happy man.  :)

Next assignment: automatisation, with block detection and point setting....

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4MzqTOwBvjmHlhzJ6sucbb_V9-0PYDuwUiw00Ez3E6lEjPEicWq_Ass0TBPoVUgwszdnoCCwKZRWbJztzNDlU0ZRQ54miOe4u9suFfW1n59J47mGdnwOOU0azJTJQoCDZQj4pLvVg0JJ7NmMbHqBK0kGO-jHdakrHoxI3W82FMuxK5isoZREHetJoN3OhQ1fTJmeiHigQE-xvnwrO5icSax7zHfPUwUsfXY7vqPG5R6FEyEHrS84y62lvonzxdpJO4YhlxbmRGgX1_xqhgdp8tumDUUgeCJ1Hr2XWPlITQVc4zq_dCTIbp1H3-YlyzkG5MW36eZS2COICcvJX0N9Q-eZl5RF0SinG5826PYVXf_jFA1EJYGXkb45-OE9suhxyQ2ZKEbHF75sk5ZSwEJwZIZGfCkAIXWLsfjyqe515GeL33q5DocG5bMMXmnfCHX1-R1PnHYQHDxGfLgdeycT9DxtJtH9n3tHP4pFM7bOXcihe8smzxLAO6bDDPNp8j2B3ojbalbLLNk8jrMPhmieWEphRGDyRq_Y5hSzMqyRzdDI-3ThPgLyVnGE09NUlKK2zZowvt2uG1XwZEt7cntMKFOy_cXNcmpYtQcGPczWdg=w1203-h903-no)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on April 08, 2016, 10:00:57 pm
Any chance of a video, Michiel? ;)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 09, 2016, 09:49:00 am
Any chance of a video, Michiel? ;)

Excellent idea. Many thanks for the latest updates, Michiel, of what will be a very impressive model indeed. 8-)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on April 09, 2016, 10:23:36 am
I made a video with a full run through both staging yards (click on the image below):  ;)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WxTahZr2zRo/hqdefault.jpg) (https://youtu.be/WxTahZr2zRo)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on April 09, 2016, 01:57:51 pm
Thank you for responding to a request for a video so quickly, Michiel. It was fascinating to watch.
Now I know you have used set track points I see your locos run through them OK. Are all your locos fitted with loco and tender pickups?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on April 09, 2016, 02:14:14 pm
The locomotive as you saw on the video, only picks up current from the big 2x3 driving wheels from the locomotive, not from the tender or smaller running wheels. Peco points work as a charm, even these Setrack ST5/6 points.

I'm very satisfied about how thing are running for the moment, but undoubtably I will encounter the locomotive that will halt upon the points. I'll deal with it then...
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: MinZaPint on April 09, 2016, 03:28:16 pm
An excellent video, this layout is promising to be really good and your superb locos run beautifully. Very well done and thanks for posting  :thumbsup:  David
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 09, 2016, 08:31:50 pm
 :hellosign: Michael, very impressive thanks for the video
regards Derek.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on April 11, 2016, 07:57:02 am
Thank you all for the positive feedbacks. You are great!

For the moment I'm connecting all occupation detectors to the feedback modules.At the end of the week I should be able to detect the position of all trains by computer. Controlling all points with servo motors, and driving them with servo decoders will not be that easy.That is next on the agenda.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 11, 2016, 08:46:36 am
This is real micro-electronic engineering. Very impressive, Michiel. I hope all goes as well as you plan.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on April 13, 2016, 12:16:29 pm
Thanks Chris, but that is too much honour. I just assembled existing kits of electronic modules. I did not do the design, nor development. Just using them, and happy when they work as intended. I'm still on schedule to have the occupation detection working for next weekend.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on April 16, 2016, 04:06:26 pm
A short and boring little video about the first automated traffic on my layout. Speeds are not yet calibrated, points are not yet connected, so the 4 trains are running one behind the other a circuit throught both staging yards. For what it's worth...

https://youtu.be/_ZWdyRtONLs (https://youtu.be/_ZWdyRtONLs)  <--- CLICK!
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: MinZaPint on April 16, 2016, 04:24:38 pm
Not boring at all, kept me awake! Brilliant thanks for posting I just love those Locos  :thumbsup:  :beers:  David
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Southernboy on April 16, 2016, 04:41:58 pm
Absolutely wonderful stuff Michiel.

Are you planning to follow an authentic period timetable? Or run to a schedule of your own? Or perhaps run trains by whim?

Just curious: Either way it's always a delight and inspiration to see an update on your progress.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: wookie on April 16, 2016, 05:24:26 pm
Very nice Michiel, I have run out of superlatives  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on April 16, 2016, 05:32:13 pm
Thank you, guys!

@Southernboy (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=105), I will try to run with as authentic consists as possible, but with a compressed timetable. It will take a lot of research to find out about the consists of a century ago, and I'm planning to build some authentic cars and locomotives from scratch. But that  is a story for much later. Now I'm concentrated upon completing the hidden yards.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 16, 2016, 07:29:58 pm
A short and boring little video about the first automated traffic on my layout. Speeds are not yet calibrated, points are not yet connected, so the 4 trains are running one behind the other a circuit throught both staging yards. For what it's worth...

https://youtu.be/_ZWdyRtONLs (https://youtu.be/_ZWdyRtONLs)  <--- CLICK!

Thank you, Michiel. Very nice work.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on April 16, 2016, 08:22:51 pm
In the mean while I'm experimenting with points and servo motors. I'm not decided yet how I will mount them...

Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on April 16, 2016, 09:58:35 pm
Thank you very much for the video of the trains and the yard, Michiel.
Between you and Maurits71 we have an awful lot to look up to :-[
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Railwaygun on April 16, 2016, 10:47:39 pm
In the mean while I'm experimenting with points and servo motors. I'm not decided yet how I will mount them...

(Click on the image for the movie)
([url]http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab181/Modelspoor/Lx1920/IMG_4474_zpsldlzydrr.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://vid862.photobucket.com/albums/ab181/Modelspoor/Lx1920/LX1920%20Point%20Servo%20Experiments_zpse4xfnsvk.mp4[/url])


( if you havent seen them - there are several Servo threads in the Electronics forum)

this works

http://vid862.photobucket.com/albums/ab181/Modelspoor/Lx1920/LX1920%20Point%20Servo%20Experiments_zpse4xfnsvk.mp4 (http://vid862.photobucket.com/albums/ab181/Modelspoor/Lx1920/LX1920%20Point%20Servo%20Experiments_zpse4xfnsvk.mp4)

the clickable photo link doesnt work on Safari/iMac
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on April 18, 2016, 07:47:10 am
@Southernboy (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=105) , I'm coming to this forum because you all inspire me. I really like the English style, and the early English steam era. Lot of you model great layouts. It's not about how big a layout is, but how much fun has been put into it. I'm proud to be here amongst you, guys.  ;)

@Railwaygun (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=941) , thanks for correcting the link. I'm working with Firefox on PCs, with Windows7 and Ubuntu, and all seemed fine. I'm sorry the link did not function with Safari on iMac.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on April 23, 2016, 03:59:01 pm
This week I used to chase electronics problems I encountered during the test runs with my trains. I also managed to steer a servo motor by Arduino and DCC commands. A victory for me, and so a short video of the memorable moment:

https://youtu.be/ud7s2px2ApM
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on May 10, 2016, 10:35:30 am
The battle with the servo motors is not over. I'm still working on the final implementation. In the mean while, trains are waiting patiently for better times when points are working, track are cleared from rubbish and rails are having tension. Soon...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/GEueMSN6oSTyM0Iw5VECVEod0t5uZ_GvEUzY6qER04WrYnK8LGao4ifVbvJB_sxIcCoPFvHyda9K1hSnl_n7-TY5fCFBGOy_SnhI1FPgBiQ5tx0Bbp_F_SlayC9MkL7Iuae6J4R2DTR0ufrlsXKoFMrUCfYIIpCKHV2DorBvW8ih-Y6N9W3d1QHy57m-xkbeWjTtTH4yb7zxAessiNJP3F1kA7XXPEnNQcw_HKpTvwynNk7oxPo_r9jGWPkkeZSiToVS5vqlewZdEPwg4iOQr9cLbO_IWKS9OsGTBUzt_h3B7asRqdjyji8p-lxFwtCWfoVIKQYLknjgxLeqP5HGQGXheNntO9iinb3NcpR1qUpzcpX7VADJkUYfPDaPB5ePxj5pXd_U1T1Gph9fMxvaHcG7hwAbRXGEjB_fJGSeWoguZZIkVHwx65cHmglmR9WAP1gYjh8UviNzjyFwkr_P6xByFqiPpYlfxU8jKL4Du_6O25XCsLIKI_QoDU5I6WoThhsKver2AVzNaIFyUHxVJdMHvDcgSE6XXBVhpaZteG9GBm6M_ansZ09u7DOp7eysOMHfiWPrLzmHJZvnUEsSL_vVsBTYr1YCkzpwYw_B2Q=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on May 31, 2016, 08:18:49 am
I won the battle against the stubborn servo motors. I have installed two servo motor interfaces (OC32), which are switching the servos without any hassle. So, for the moment I have installed 10 servo motors on my points, and made 7 side tracks operational. Six trains are running without too many problems. So, progress has been made.  :)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 31, 2016, 08:34:20 am
Thanks for the updates, Michiel. Glad to see you're still making good progress towards full running.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 03, 2016, 10:02:33 am
I'm back from vacation. After more then a month of absence, I had trouble remembering the state of things. But test driving showed all was fine and working properly. Last weekend I installed some more point motors. 9 on a row, 27 to go...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Yf_nKVbGRblXoo4cq4Ud6DBXERtAuTjnJjbNaC5epUQGGMu0lWsVyDL_kUD9zVsqYekH_lv0Vx_IpzWRWXQE3B4XRXjS_j09kxR4xLPuBnJDwbO2LFp60BIF-FBj71UN1JUMF_wyMnZsvJhiTWXiBvaokQ8KTnBerpPpGhAuOMcjGriDGpmfqCJrYt9HoBFeOyFjOtY49eYlzo1Kxc2e0rsrchX4YKaG3ac3UJ6dV-bfv9yiB8RzXfNRMaEeMN9vABdUCtxf5groL5n7VnAVrtJmUn8J3HUJIQblEiL8MLZMu5rf_KAu00CwDj8lFFlkHl5e90nnlDZx84PYCL8sdy5Qfn9pmjjmrmHcurlHLj4x2v6v0Yhu4fWDj-xscZBUpMEADsNL-Rd0No1Zv94ZuENJsyEBylDAaRLie9cQBUp0UiO2qTt2E5IN0mcfdrwjPu7oin3hl2JTf2wouFacPZVfN-FcmqeqfMPYUtLJmO51dg2Xjdf2dcMw7iU64Ava57P0frOcmg6sxP94FxbN69bj5pL4wrPrYa3H9ukmaT9P3yIcNhy44puzkuY0MF4Ky73jISpa_NWnaD8IvfIaQ4kaemYrTIVxbc4dhyhQEQ=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: MinZaPint on August 04, 2016, 02:51:05 pm
I'm back from vacation. After more then a month of absence, I had trouble remembering the state of things. But test driving showed all was fine and working properly. Last weekend I installed some more point motors. 9 on a row, 27 to go...

Well that's what I call a labour of love, I struggled with just 3  :-[  :greatwork:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 04, 2016, 06:50:25 pm
Thanks! And I just terminated to install and connect all 18 point motors of the Northern shunting yard. All points are operational, all tracks are ready for automated traffic. At this very moment a train is test running the yard. It's a happy moment for me. The Southern yard is next...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Gsn7xo2b9zrPbkdyBSj1x75_sRudTPCWMH3p-IF_S3V-cWcDKPecSSFTwyAe4cb3maOaxtBxFGHNPoIj7u8wsm07zrEgD8gUj7RF9LOgzvCkr0OZuwtthFRhtO_V_wv6cnDYE_INja2RPmJMMkfP8IshouHPefi8n8beUug0FGflYWQiIhTbXXoq2YkldDdwaBXn6soC2veNRKipb8oMHBcpbfOF0G4dNRDyP0Z3bb94KNtdHN9CTCrertvHfAzV_0Sur4VSdg11WHJ6d9PPcBhjxx6X0Ck8YvYQr6l0n5k1g4_VNBkJhPiYQbdapa0zRlf6bXaMVW2wsCs_4BvYMEH232slR39LevitRKadzmND2SvPuZmdG5ypbxFGL_whIcBiuUycagexcaMw-BssoW4K-TwJS2YXRDGnsUzEn7usyroIlpLBONQiRmYAGH4rlZcikVo12oP1T8uOrfAr5lm0lzNmpFb-6AsNgfZV-XLdDCwzqX4ZS3PcorOs9hg7kLVMwp6savH3xRm8WZ6fCq0HvH6KJUYyi0AnrKjkWQY14Ptmdd2JgQLpGOgieTrl6UViYagIbAOSlcSFoyTn0e1TatL-EUYkY9v_4uAVSQ=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on August 04, 2016, 09:42:57 pm
Just ........Wow :goggleeyes: :jawdropping:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Yet_Another on August 04, 2016, 10:06:14 pm
Boggle boggle! :o
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: deibid on August 05, 2016, 09:48:48 pm
I have a very important question after the awe of that number of servos... tower pro?
How do you find their reliability? Whats the failure rate out of the box? Any failures so far?
I only have 3... from time to time I have to replace them.... they are ridiculously cheap, but you have loads of them! Only because of that maintenance is a porential p i t a!

Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 05, 2016, 10:12:13 pm
You have a point, Deibid. I just installed these servo motors. They are fresh and I did not had any failure with them untill now. Out of the box all worked. But since they are dead cheap (about £1 per unit), I suspect they are not very reliable. But they didn't yet had the time to fail, but I expect them to do.  How often, I can't tell yet.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: lil chris on August 05, 2016, 11:25:42 pm
Superb model railway, I hope you have a better reliability with servos than motors. I bought 13 Cobalt anolouge motors and up to now I have had two failures lucky the Cobalts are guaranteed for life.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 06, 2016, 06:28:23 am
I made a video about the test driving through "Belpaire" staging yard. Click on the image below.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KQGfiHPQ4NE/hqdefault.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQGfiHPQ4NE)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on August 06, 2016, 10:00:29 am
Hugely impressive, Michiel. :goggleeyes:
I like the running lamps on the locos lighting up but the 'mosquito' sound of the track cleaner is somewhat loud. Out of curiosity, what is the longest train you run please - loco + ? carriages?
Lastly, can I ask who the music is by?
 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 06, 2016, 12:26:01 pm
The Tomix vacuum cleaner is indeed very loud, and I only use it sometimes. The noise bother me too. For the moment I'm running short trains less then a meter (5 carriages), but I've already tested successfully trains with 13 carriages (2 meter). That is the longest my layout will be able to digest.

The music is royalty free music I randomly grabbed from internet: the first is called "Free Our Fallen", the second is called "Rebirth".
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on August 06, 2016, 03:01:29 pm
Thanks for the information, Michiel
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 07, 2016, 08:44:58 pm
Thanks for the update and video, Michiel. Very impressive.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 21, 2016, 07:15:18 pm
All points are motorized now, with a servo. The movement parameters have been adjusted, and the new points have been defined into the traffic controlling software. On the photograph you see one of the two point rows with servo motors. I just need to configure all 10 tracks of the new yard into the software, and my hidden yard is finished and operational.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jyW6x2O95qEK3wklBO6Xe2wCsa4hzZdssMCX2OIlC-4F8V3F4lbXZYoKhLF7V0_aOfXz3W73jHWydrEfKGxZcvpC-fKvEngziXYVtrgzAzewQlYvY-hA9IdZbSQvBJOft1c7lcFxckYN2BOOU9oyM61VJox0FrDx43h3-8dl2G4a9jj7B1pmBV8eQRfj0UoAOYNPs_uWufEjdXV66eIr-972aFR0QLc4aVdNZjzHUW9CMZMJcbBnfcrW6WRvvK4qvp-66kxYAx40n6j4FKgbIT0iwM3aZkU-Hf5_r6hiI7gZYQCMbKujcJLq-KUh_t6Y5qYLGmAP7cX9cxFC9Dqp4Tz0uSUxXa7WIi19NIkoltAZH1q63fgUj19cEVYlWgKJGtOPzoZkh5nN35Z47HtHSI6PgY6QEkxeW8TKHvkYWk7crdrD4w5-hcL8RBUYwwOKPF81SKOtR11I7lZuaMBdYfOKC1Ykj1i7TghphZLMiPcmAYJvcp9AvApZ-gMKIWbZl0J6pYmNZHAjQWBHbtYF7PTL8oP9W5eh-5JMO0T2kyHvfu-tJwMd6iI_4Mi6k2SpINAkk9R29wZoOFsxQhBIhcF5ZOxa73-S5VSV1VtFFw=w677-h902-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 21, 2016, 07:49:04 pm
That really is very impressive work. I hope all will function smoothly.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on August 21, 2016, 08:40:04 pm
If the fiddle yard is hidden how do you see what is where please, Michiel?
Do you use mirrors or something more high tech such as cameras and screens?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 21, 2016, 09:14:11 pm
@Chris (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6), I'm also hoping all will work smoothly without too many failures. It's for me also the first time I'm using this technique and material. I'm learning also.

@Newportnobby, I'm planning to use plexiglass. The hidden yard will be in a closed area (dust), but with easily removable plexiglass panels to reach when needed. At least, that the general idea. I've not yet started to build such a construction.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 21, 2016, 10:27:08 pm
 :hellosign: Very neat work  Michael, thanks for sharing
regards Derek.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on August 22, 2016, 09:48:46 am
I'm planning to use plexiglass. The hidden yard will be in a closed area (dust), but with easily removable plexiglass panels to reach when needed. At least, that the general idea. I've not yet started to build such a construction.

Thanks, Michiel. Maybe I did not explain. On my layout I operate from the front and cannot see the fiddle yard at the back behind the backscene so I am investigating ways of doing this.
Is this the same for you?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 22, 2016, 12:39:27 pm
I'm planning to have the fiddle yard under the visible layout. Once the future modules are laid on top, I still should have a view upon the train in the fiddle yard underneath. I'm planning to install plexiglass walls, and led-lighting inside to be able to see what's happening. Cameras are not yet planned. I would like to wait and see how handy the plexiglass screens + leds are.

I finished the fiddle yard today. Two cleaning trains are test driving through the yards. All goes well. I can start cleaning up the mess, and plan for the next stage.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hMvqG3V3iuRwW-NVpMlseDkQT369o_y4cGHyHC7YF8IRH6my8OurQZYAWDR91IJPFnEDfVaUUSmlhx7Wbnk0ZfMicWyk0Lix_tDS06ikyqOcWo_KP-BcgQm_n-1A_IYAbJS-99N-0sePCjrhSKXsZJH2hslUPTMGS1oLKkqC81CHXL-dutxkyzmAyQOw5K6bgrvLKHSarH44845F1jN3wjl28FEIXJWWjRWHvHK4NVFW5ZJ9EY7ycW7wSaheV93Zn8D-hZmo-qg0urib0iDWs49Mpm9Dojtb_BK0G1MVhZ_T6LA4iCqiJ9sRbmpV0RGdrOrmsB7ppDlKlTmmJV0UYOcZ7ViDEbipmJMldc7orOCUDZgpi8bYNtOVAFEVE4rIbDy2fZmmsXQKJ4QETjjmaSvwBe2pwxEdvpvbZ2CsnubcsZDcpHecOuynUbWOxpa1thT_LbBQtXyw5p3gW8Kdi6gZTJEXOZXmQHeftZfpgQhKBTr9TcW0hH3lzer-XtqznU5cGBuMmcJrJgCq9PQJrIRajzA8IwdJidYSeXvd1pN8JoJVbBLu5j3zYSumxbt8Wal7T04Hg8i1XWIcOo4bUu4DRXBTX_tdBOBIn1j_lw=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on August 22, 2016, 02:34:59 pm
Thanks, Michiel. I understand what you're planning now.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 22, 2016, 05:20:01 pm
A fun part is the "long trains test". See how long it takes for cars to uncouple or to derail. For the moment, 30 minutes after the start of the test... nothing! It looks good... (touching wood)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/JfcdTOExY6-wDEUGSCGJvKVJyxsxWAyUVLpEvrVQgZnAutuPPGY-7zU9wFSCXkkAfIiLjAcTGNbeAG2rS4qiQs3RJRlSSkC_0MovSDVIQo1q9AaD8VfT-E6siW90qv-mwLLNbM5NTzaPNSj7dIJiKEOYt1VgLK1ce9NtmFF5Jxhlcx-_fRmJuo-tAW3F2v2YZwMz_SpvcQf3pCQkluHvdKFRk6xutBoPMGWokOC00lEQXoXMR1eD55CfQWB6qIkvy7I1U2jJP-YmOf4aPKmZcWeSm0qrfQwvnED74YwASzo5xABanP7WdNvZE_CrRe5mxxCr7YWjPIpsSAyRe22P9bERN5mz3iZEx0_PuWR-bKtXF53QqYy-x6IEcKaxeVQI72I7L3PeqCbnbikSvb4SK4IX7iC2zPv77VjQ3mK7-b29dOh0YEHMveohs6CAvC-Bd2538FKIfoP_HYbkd8J9xT0-JH8dXHIg_Djt6B9Bqmka1cVVmnBGVwJcwJPA8Ze06BRQp0p4uaYRcO-e3dTbe0DUTlj99egFj4Av_mUs-_aH4ByTi1004c45ZdkQCuKHifmDBZjQzO74Y2o66vLB_Z7LRAoN8p3IJac8hFKjGA=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: MinZaPint on August 23, 2016, 05:23:34 pm
It looks better than good!  :greatwork:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Milton Rail on August 23, 2016, 06:18:13 pm
Wow... now that is what I call storage sidings!  incredibly neat wiring and track work - brilliant
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Southernboy on August 24, 2016, 10:53:54 pm
This is all looking very impressive Michiel - it's always good to see an update.

On your previous vision of LX1920 there were two ladies who sometimes appeared to observe proceedings. Do you think they'll pop by to keep an eye on new developments?  ;)




Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 25, 2016, 06:32:14 am
The two ladies will come back, but they are not interested in the technical stuff deep down the hidden yard. They'll be back when the scenery stuff is appearing.

In the mean while, I'm busy with the aftermath of the hidden yard. I'm laying the track in cork gullies to hold them without fixing them like with glue or screws. Big advantage of have the track not hard fixed, is the noise attenuation.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9R98ydUCsWHEbATd0faejrt1WUKu2OR00SRrA3FNuMmxlmDFS_ATj8Fxm0X-cBa43NvXPeUNhgDLlexeVySfpV92suH6DnQMgyOUSAvBN8dVad5rqtweEP-LTmMB-XH8tg6DCdHFxuzsM9F4UyWf0Y9G89nlHOT887M_gTdZVi6C3KezAkbZBR27gjvMfTiBdN70xPerGnIgNJWeacCST_AOH6FqVt-FVLaZuJT8zv1hFL4gTuFxoxRiwPTJ5_v9d6SGkb9CucBWYzxQPzz223q_wJ_mmWHRuB6pvmMd2sjjpIRvhasA6anhpZzM5uM7PYhP_JxPMdlSUaR-MCY8rY2Ng0-JHFGFQZ0APLbuEnoCR8K5kzPzujto8rnH9EF6YDaT-nOPr6NRLEgmVmr-i3Sxk0ByEAtR4GoY43VxvgGDF_qa6XKMcE9dNSLjmTRzZsc7G_vAjpMi1ItnEdX4IpVz2yrhbG02sR9K2CrOrP5LX4KhbfwChiyKUX_V_l3HDYfyoDjO3IcVe0VLVGWPTa661xJ9_2jvEj65_fFQAQWcg-vfzfMFWODzird7uyovUYTR-Gruiy81MicOs0_BAi_kfLzgepknAb6RMZzd_A=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: mickster04 on August 25, 2016, 08:39:34 am
 :what a novel idea. Where did you come. Up with it? On a permanent layout that is a great solution imo :D
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 25, 2016, 08:43:11 am
The two ladies will come back, but they are not interested in the technical stuff deep down the hidden yard. They'll be back when the scenery stuff is appearing.

In the mean while, I'm busy with the aftermath of the hidden yard. I'm laying the track in cork gullies to hold them without fixing them like with glue or screws. Big advantage of have the track not hard fixed, is the noise attenuation.
([url]http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab181/Modelspoor/Lx1920/IMG_4625_zpsyeg9edhe.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s862.photobucket.com/user/Modelspoor/media/Lx1920/IMG_4625_zpsyeg9edhe.jpg.html[/url])


Very good idea, Michiel. I have used cardboard strips and PVA glue in my fiddle yard for the same purpose as your cork 'gullies'.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 25, 2016, 06:06:12 pm
And just one other movie about test driving my trains through both hidden fiddle yards. Click on the image to watch the movie.

https://youtu.be/6o7hY4Bd0tc
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on August 25, 2016, 09:37:42 pm
Says an error has occurred and to try later, which I will do :(
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 25, 2016, 10:40:02 pm
 :hellosign: Thanks for the brilliant video Michiel , very neat fiddle yard
regards Derek.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 26, 2016, 08:58:07 am
:hellosign: Thanks for the brilliant video Michiel , very neat fiddle yard
regards Derek.

Seconded! A highly impressive feat of model engineering and electronic control.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 27, 2016, 02:41:09 pm
Thank you, gentlemen!  :)

@newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) , did it work later? I checked it several times, but never had that message. Must have been something momentarily, I suppose?

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/CaxVDT7cCvfmq4T561RCxJLkZgMA0z9DaluYQXLXk_FVXy3QTe8Jp41zh981NH1aQ6Pm9g84c4qBWUxV3jIxg9VG1jpCGb2HvpY23H28PEkdqOfjkvuG2yZwOLiD8pjdgEgNPLjHKrasxKnEDxy2owCp7E7dduTh0nMAVrvk9x-wdrYR1TixinTHwOt8JMvT7RgWBGqxKnNc2PPMnuDz75ebFM4hJLytD2cZx7LqrDDJVfOWPupweAiACHanMCfKvZUBfai1spodOnGrOnhF7_gB4LVbqndKOEQanJAXWf2YhyXorQ-8sLK1REhLRahFQ488vuOOy-Bn35PWmmCzrrps-dbGU9jIVTLaypiGJUYK79DTrg8oXOVEKBWqTblwyrMjO-zZzQOXyy-kqVhUT7EeOcT6rzNyTBW0KHsKME0mCuaGiksOqiVTY44Yz_fhxUzsuak09rw2U3D1d7rwf05f_Dyxk66zHWdFe0nBReO2JVhMJ2kEQe4-gDX0ymQ_VpOMh33hXtF9E8rBJT-VgG8C1-inQl3DoCOn9wQdREg7pLnVd8c8b9qxdrWTpmWfguRff549L6sX7CUlCX1PBLguQpwoDEg4uXCg1OF_rQ=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on August 27, 2016, 05:22:09 pm
Hi Michiel,
For some reason my laptop now does not like vids with the suffix '.be' but works with '.com' so I watched your vid on YouTube and was hugely impressed with your fiddle yard. It is mesmerising :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 27, 2016, 07:56:17 pm
I knew it! Belgians are not to be trusted. At least, your laptop finds them suspicious.  :D

Good that you found the back gate using '.com' to watch Belgian stuff on YT.  ;)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on September 10, 2016, 01:08:15 pm
I made a first try-out video with a mini camera on the train. It has potential, but at the end it's clear what still has to be modified..  ;)

https://youtu.be/kSSzWeiwPpU
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Railwaygun on September 10, 2016, 06:20:04 pm
I made a first try-out video with a mini camera on the train. It has potential, but at the end it's clear what still has to be modified..  ;)

click on the image to start the video

([url]http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab181/Modelspoor/Lx1920/IMG_4633_zpsryakqfik.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=[/url]

[URL=https://youtu.be/kSSzWeiwPpU)



@railsquid (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3832)  & others have several threads on train cams on NGF
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on September 13, 2016, 08:22:07 pm
I began with the helices, and hope to keep the grade equal or below 1.5%. It's an constructive adventure. I'm curious how it will turn out...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/l6bnhpgBdlJ6Kil_XxeADnXXbvKIVdI3ZFU3rPOYVbR4cuqfNiwvk1vN84Amgf3uNEFgVpyoyVg-zsq3eqc3F4eyxLx5Ch0KM4U6Hd0iW3eDVqrEQRMcOCcepk5y3hN1vGIWuh9dBOk7sx9q2hvm6eFnSimGm8pQrCzp9V1OsmIiv2X1UDv5LqLzyqloxLzRaIwcXk408Zj8JZdXKzqsUtwRXWddfdtBynUrDPAfu-Ivi1n5AFysSFznpKN_BvhgH-ocrq6bvqGP_PZaFiNQ3RNS-vKzVG1rsReuxoW3O1OEoFViFAaI_icdLK4BoICTFvgfUvCRGT6tB-pbz6m2HFgSfFyifRCf2TI-eaICMcESQVoOmZHLr2EoGLBqd3OhL5D1UO8Va6U-IckKFKcsQnjDTvBd9LbJa293kuJNNy3C12u1n4MKSChWoztrEmyZ1Vq8NpSn2ar92WLu4P2KOAcoKxOGiz495nC3Ig1--Wl4m97xOu0HytEDsUhbXvMhi7QtaLRx-Lt0UuwRn0UX0C6Craxy57aN8TuZ5xZSKnJsYOtueGC6M-6pKqLQNSVOK_ro2-5t6e799BZkkYz6SKpxfg9apxdN8oDD4o1M6w=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on October 09, 2016, 11:26:39 am
Unfortunately I had to take a few hurdles before I could start the construction of the helix. The two track that turn under the heixes had to be lowered another centimeter. Also 4 point motors had to be moved, and have been positioned under the baseboard. So, now I'm ready to go up! The first half circle of the helix has been build...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/wQY70fP9EihL_nXDYwVueJCqARzzk3l8TdPF68eNHovRpEwH8_zqzfiyYu9EYgMFtHMsTOctlBWFq6pViXYSJMndR20Kgc315_ESwv1baFMKYxDQpWGapr9o1yLuYFK0aFy-GsXOSCWo0m_tIdY8uUheJl6B0d81X8tdDEpuA0SZK3EL-MsjK_NljF0EYZ1jSqkqo5NCA09suSYFFH4yK9oxBVfR6doZwyG1dU15Mks7LOElzXnvUFgat_YnW7PeDOLO01nuUg7R9eO4BxPRYcngWdpyfDdhn3joJk9QhGzlLy1d6NLrpQanH3UT4PSJ25FdkWb20DaUpj1OUU-_kPcyoVMkzF-uZCcaNzn6OfQm5NfbGAw0bniIPDvTd2EutmWHV6PHUi5ydP6_eUIdjW2CgwIuoyLp45qtleXmKyCNwu_Ae6mp807iYCmK61mFU7bIEVgxNF-SQXHFso8TqmJRgMidIu_6fOzU4dck0R2TVUWFmoIN13DaPrChSVP91D_wEgSZ2hPkiS9pBSIH_vJxfv4dYHmQZD8ta-2XDlN2byj2W7-5AsOzaXRx6UXIOK15EIfL4XIa1npdxFPovKkQ-fPLcPBYeOliJFnFAQ=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 09, 2016, 11:31:57 am
Very good news, Michiel. Thanks for this update.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on October 10, 2016, 08:36:48 am
I would like to share this little tool, the helix compasses, I use for drawing circles for lining out the tracks upon the helices. Nothing new or original, but very practical to keep the tracks nice and circularly bend during the ascent.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Wmeg6CzFkrRi9XA_UdSTNoIdRMAiEyBcSsjaw00wDulogps3eVfvLeSx9fWQoMvGAK_VKDNMb063OCx-vwBYMKK-zQSYsKl0MptMbKDyBfbbQYLYPIsPo1bafVLqT85LG_GI2EFM2vk41olLrfUfvkC20uqpZSg5BKjF5w_1h-xkHuR9RJl_1RBtz4uFy5a3DcRXizcTtaAbSF1noTYWLoEMDPITZOl7EEkSN2R3f_KErfCCjd2SudE1DkfADqNlkH_tlIx6Rl_JRvtc-OqPH3I4ON3bYb_lisP56dB-OXB7BjqPD4mUlUhiPk3Dy9680JvYqrwqrPKk6HHpMLnhMLLGUKYVRjbi5vL1kHh9NyWzGU1sjc1fhf6ovxB0NHvLuhbFCVzXuVqkxaLm-FqL3IYizjeRlT4JH6MNC3m7fTckG5dCUSAPlyfMh1ah51KLX715AH_U0qWN0KmT-bejv8RNY_uhaB4OyCpct1KG4vsaevp7rqsc09F5794daLY-5IotYfAcQEsXamEqveYK4msQle6yR4DnUp5hQBvdA6Q4_vf1cS2HgNvvXK4nYpVboUzJHY7S5PVC2xVhb2qlORtWilcW_4j4MqoNIUlCGw=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Mito on October 10, 2016, 09:06:12 pm
A very neat idea. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: rhysapthomas on October 30, 2016, 10:31:53 pm
Hi Fantastic work

I like the shape of the helix it looks easier to cut by getting strips of ply or mdf cut then trimming them to the octagonal shape.  Could you give me the dimension of each segment of the hex please?

The segments do you join them with a segment glued to the underside

Thanks
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Snowwolflair on October 31, 2016, 01:49:08 am
You want one of these

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/3761-311016014816.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45032)

Boscam CM205 5.8G FPV Wireless Mini CMOS Camera - fits inside a coach
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on October 31, 2016, 08:34:22 am
...Could you give me the dimension of each segment of the hex please?

My helix has been measured to fit exactly a square of 90x90cm. The octagon is formed with 2x8 segments in the shape of trapezia. Two layers of 8 trapezia together form the base layer where the cork and tracks are fixed upon. I used 3mm MDF for the trapezia. All trapezia are the same.

The trapezia have the following dimensions:
small base: 186mm
large base: 449mm
width: 132mm
edges are at 45°

Don't hesitate to ask if you have any question.

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Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: rhysapthomas on October 31, 2016, 05:20:24 pm
Thank you Michiel

I have considering a helix for a project next year but was put off by the idea of cutting all those curves.  Your solution can be achieved with straight cut MDF

Another question are you happy with a single support column per section?

Thanks again
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on October 31, 2016, 05:34:58 pm
My helix is not yet finished, but until now, the single support seems enough.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on November 16, 2016, 07:46:55 am
Finding time is the biggest challenge, but slowly it grows: my helix. The end height is in view. Just a few loops more and I'm there...

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Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 16, 2016, 09:47:03 pm
 :hellosign: Looking good  Michiel, nice progress, thanks for the update
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on November 23, 2016, 07:45:00 am
Bended flexible track has the annoying issue where the ends stretch outwards, and cause kink in the track. Especially at isolation gaps this is a real problem. To counter the effect, I use copper print boards. I cut them in small rectangles, and scratch isolated islands in the copper layer. After I soldered the track upon the small piece of print board, and soldered the feeding wires, I cut the isolation gap in the track.

There are several good and proven methods to do the job, but I chose this one, and I'm very satisfied with it. I just share it with you. Who knows it might be useful to some of you.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/HfAK7vwToRq2FnRimrUJlXOMBucAx0S7MkSvDa_whpE-fglEA2BhmhzFeZMqRsXipXZD6dOirWewK6i7B-IzCHPC5tBU661ZtZ-xwSNXo0dGOysr3mckrDu8dJfaA2byKHe-TxXc8xsUYxGu7zVDJC4BFzjt_n18wOAdSQsvCPaJ7edPIKvgcnSDYEweea0q5ifQR94QN1BjlfHwSbX-WLG3B5o_jGs17SgLqJn8nHt25H0HChCT_BR9IIsk3YZ7zHcYOAa-poy2bYJ4uMKogMsuzDLha_QRsAcn-G-6gnsdRf4kb4IHdpeUZBC8hq3OCU-B0DV8GDi4Q1tVHezSzue-XaHq8-w54EDUx9KyX2lM5XmtKaBPecew428iSPlNYm-gYFnUF6l1C5LLBrmYLKXChIgG7bbsUNyd5AF412ICMhGJnMQQtVoYMkMEU1GiyeX-F4ccJC3DnyxmXZ6cnl2os87ZyYe1ns3itzg04UahNi7Qg7mvSkK-y5SwXfapkh7CQ53TI5Df9FbUahI_KSlc5p-bqSy6hwrxW_3WS3WcGKxRP2fV2Q4D58ufyPYFhZncwfmDzrhUL8avEIq8HJQfp5_JGusHROrqKU-fpw=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on November 26, 2016, 01:43:47 pm
I'm at the upper loop of my helix. It's almost done. I already bought the wood for the next helix. We don't want to run short, of course.
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Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 26, 2016, 02:01:49 pm
Thanks for the update, Michiel. That is a very impressive helix.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on November 27, 2016, 08:31:40 am
For those who are still struggling with soldering flexible tracks, here are some images as inspiration of how I do it.   ;)

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Fix the track before soldering in a straight line

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The solder has run nicely into the joint and is shiny

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The result: a fluent line of the track in it's bend.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on November 27, 2016, 02:31:34 pm
The first helix is ready!!! I have constructed a temporary shelve to lay a loop upon, so I can test-drive trains trough the new helix. Second helix coming up... in a few weeks.
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Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on November 27, 2016, 04:05:33 pm
A very neat & tidy piece of engineering, Michiel.
I look forward to seeing a video of a train ascending or descending soon.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 27, 2016, 10:40:50 pm
 :hellosign: Really nice work there Michiel,  :thumbsup: thanks for sharing
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on December 09, 2016, 08:38:32 am
Yesterday the first trains ran through the new helix. All went as expected: trains of less then about 1m length can climb the helix with just one locomotive. Trains longer then about 1m need a second locomotive. That is comparable to the situation on the hilly railway line through the Belgian Ardens, with inclines up to 2%.

I'm preparing a video to show you the memorable moment.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on December 09, 2016, 10:06:55 am
I'm looking forward to seeing that, Michiel :drool:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on December 09, 2016, 09:43:33 pm
Here's a slow video of a long train climbing slowly the new helix. Warning: no video for impatient viewer.  :D

https://youtu.be/iRDg0ecT73o

Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on December 10, 2016, 01:18:21 pm
Most impressive, Michiel. I always seem to be mesmerised by helices :goggleeyes:
At present it is a very complicated way of turning a train round. Will there be something on the upper level other than the loop which reverses the train?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on December 10, 2016, 02:57:29 pm
The ACTUAL station. The hidden fiddle yard and the helixes are just technical constructions to permit a diverse and interesting movement of trains through the actual station, which will a model of the real station Brussel-Luxemburg as it used to be during the years 1920-1930.

So, once these technical constructions are ready and rendered out of sight, the really fun stuff starts.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: rhysapthomas on December 10, 2016, 04:53:41 pm
Watched it all the way through very relaxing
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Pengi on December 10, 2016, 06:16:35 pm
Absolutely terrific work - awe inspiring  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Mito on December 10, 2016, 06:19:15 pm
Quite exhausted. :D As already said, very impressive. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 10, 2016, 10:47:32 pm
 :hellosign: Very nice video, superb helix construction, thanks for sharing
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on January 14, 2017, 11:07:39 am
... building the second one...   ::)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OXUupwZUMXcHaoYRlhXoi-5vCnlUq0LB291BSc4G_DCsEkAJuBzXh2-RwaJ7HrCtDba8gTh5cLdCvope8K8LGAgbFDwiNg41YozhMEMSxgw63625WXP57JMcGQwSTgTHUm7CBMMH5FsHDxRqmWNcQhHcc2y-lVoWIOtqn_VK8jOfOiDeErpd23sf8fVp2xm7FPg2_VwzemU6XqqTI6Nghz6ditpIk4sAiIXJSSldpAoirfAsw_c43CMykWRXBrVOz8nAsYmMW6CkwgTJzX5i74777TsQm2NK768wdfZspEE4YNxRaDx-_nyK1VSzNpLfi7GesNdZShVQmITLzwznmUbUC81FGavO-vP25StAEgSzGyz_UGrba7gDY7DZSaCuUBcl9D61nIVc0humRvFl_KzZ9GegB6m9KpW8nNXo1RLWsEk90pQqmPPAAs2dw6sQfL0RC22DceqGGMbhy7pfm6t47kZzoL4pXn4NMbXVR_P-2Ye6swHdlg4ZCx0mk_LvLhWf_JyWseMlRO8lrRFKmsDGCW5e4qFrKJFcqFcgqdw6qCGjIHIfRQ27Ekkm14U9GdG6Q97x7YyWlP99VMEfqe7pUfSS9MkA6uqvMsH_kg=w1128-h902-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on January 14, 2017, 01:45:00 pm
There's no stopping you now, Michiel. About time there was some competition for Maurits :)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: weave on January 14, 2017, 01:57:16 pm
Hi Michiel,

Wonderful stuff. Wish I had the skills.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on January 22, 2017, 01:33:19 pm
Still busy, so it's still a mess in and around the second helix, and I'm still silent... nothing new to tell...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/D7GGVEmbQlHWV0Df094257wxS-e0zcqzJD32vPCTRscB29WF6JZBeanYRI_EgyzCF3ktf-I_hY4_JHJd1gbklDp8TN6unSt5anY7lCO4G67-OZuk2Ns_Fo4NsWlTABmL4La8Qn45rZYdghB8A59fmCTLLZtxUBHZXU08Eiyn0vBIEmK_O3didJ7iXKxJBsDIuXXF05fIDNe7ec3p365S4ZN9A3y41RvzRhZIAE-10MR_LP0P30a_GlfV6NNqA3JYOG804p1NZyhV5gi3eiQ-rHq0cbVmJ8C3dFVRAmjX5B2DK512vmiMg9WZ5BYVVlashM7HJZ39nWLX23YBVLmA0WY4YpDtEns4Kow3885imh2rBj360O_Us1Byv_dC0LtbBGt_-QIvmzaoBOeEj97rsi_vVW3B4qOcnomZC2cwGIa1pTGr_6_aWIBJq92ekBrNIONs87YxTncrI8Nqqf1sIysz0SQWBeE0ZOD8SPcAR8aud0r_jGfB70-sAZHx4heO1xvXiwSu5zF1qQc5Pyl-bLVV3BAyQ2zN6POaMii75ACKgGtaZE8cx6fbTmWHRPbQbsalsoNAWJHUGX49L0CCFwiuMDW6Zn-FihMhTqkSuQ=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on January 22, 2017, 01:48:29 pm
No matter, as long as the mojo is still within you.
A belated Happy New Year, Michiel :beers:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on January 23, 2017, 08:16:58 pm
A larger view of the entire layout, with at the far end the helix in construction.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KfIhkIwAKDVAiwlfMDBOWl856JgZJq0qpYye6FqWmoPzQ72K4J8R_DMf24i25B1yaH2Px2PQ8K1VwbuQ3injIncuLKowp3Iucl7rWsjEaG-1IU_zuV4UxxFfYh2W9nunYzbyGaO4bTZIxHhlqMB0Lq30siaOhZ3KzAbloM7InMgCNXHKapfPlClaH1ZlwW5Qkf5-xlCqOc9mxaTVW6RQY0Ny2eFmDAP7PHWRRov4OUjMGGu8OmBQexwQR1cYwyH8trRq-Y6fuHEUJCMl0qtcQmjFfNrcbyGOEIvoDoweGHN3yFpFaqowfPLoMOo4BCO-pyqs4xlHV60qeC_XUkMdVsL9oZXTRjBlkVWMl4ZTApeVITlytTlluNsb_iqibJnIRMmQrqNZ9M-faH6YtlfxD67BR7-Se23gc7iPgExqYKcQWabxoLfm-3_gBBFp4z5KUp8uV3EiiNl2mel-YdtauCxsS0jVGEhFavoDtqdctDUFwcJGMm7kZ34yqFJwGsfe4VgDZCAOiJRPIU2_Igfl-ruv9RolV30s-_uY5Ym9ANWjSEaQ4Q1t3k3V1tMLdRvVZkkIxoy0sKs8fptEtPU-MenroV6FPgDzj9iKeTjSjQ=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on January 23, 2017, 08:23:44 pm
I am confused now, Michiel.
Is your wonderful locomotive shed a separate thing or where does it fit into the layout shown above please? :confused1:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 23, 2017, 08:30:36 pm
That is an incredible layout, Michiel.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on January 24, 2017, 06:40:11 am
I am confused now, Michiel.
Is your wonderful locomotive shed a separate thing or where does it fit into the layout shown above please? :confused1:
I confess it's a little confusing. The huge locomotive shed was a part of the previous project: Brussels-NORTH. But technically (failed attempts to automate all mandatory shunting work) I had to abandon it. It was asked too much of N-scale. So, with pain in my heart I unmounted what I already had done, and started this project: Brussels-LUXEMBURG. It's more modest, and a different type of station operating wise.

I'm sorry about the confusion, but I will not let you down with this project. Once I start with the scenery, it will be more clear where this project is going to. At, least, I hope I will be able to deliver what my imagination has presented me. Hang in there, and stay tuned. The fun stuff will start in just a couple of months.  ;)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Bealman on January 24, 2017, 06:47:54 am
Those helices are awesome. As NPN says, you're certainly giving Mauritius a run for his money!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on January 24, 2017, 09:49:31 am
Thanks for the clarification, Michiel. That's a great shame as the loco shed was an awesome piece of scratchbuilding :(
I look forward to your next update.

you're certainly giving Mauritius a run for his money!  :thumbsup:


@Bealman (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=255)
That'll be Maurits then, George. Mauritius is a country :P
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Carmont on January 24, 2017, 10:31:54 am
Forgive me, if you have already documented this information, but can you give us some specification of the Helix?

What is the radius of the inner track and what amount of lift do you have per revolution?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on January 24, 2017, 10:57:41 am
Thank you very much for the positive feedback, gentlemen. And honestly, Maurits is still a few lengths ahead of me, impressive-wise. For instance, he makes 4 track helices!  :thumbsup:

The radius of the inner climbing track is about 40cm (about 15 3/4"). Every revolution the track climbs 4.5cm (about 1 3/4"). This results in a grade of about 1.8%. I hoped at the start of the project to get it below 1.5%, but 1.8% is just fine, and very realistic (same grades you'll find on the Belgian main lines through the Ardens).
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Carmont on January 24, 2017, 11:53:17 am
Thank you very much for the positive feedback, gentlemen. And honestly, Maurits is still a few lengths ahead of me, impressive-wise. For instance, he makes 4 track helices!  :thumbsup:

The radius of the inner climbing track is about 40cm (about 15 3/4"). Every revolution the track climbs 4.5cm (about 1 3/4"). This results in a grade of about 1.8%. I hoped at the start of the project to get it below 1.5%, but 1.8% is just fine, and very realistic (same grades you'll find on the Belgian main lines through the Ardens).

Thank you for that !
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Bealman on January 24, 2017, 09:43:54 pm
Thanks for the clarification, Michiel. That's a great shame as the loco shed was an awesome piece of scratchbuilding :(
I look forward to your next update.

you're certainly giving Mauritius a run for his money!  :thumbsup:


@Bealman ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=255[/url])
That'll be Maurits then, George. Mauritius is a country :P

Yep. Precursive text on phone. Apologies, Maurits!
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on January 26, 2017, 06:57:04 am
Quote
@Bealman ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=255[/url])
That'll be Maurits then, George. Mauritius is a country :P

If Maurits keeps building at the rate he's building now, he soon will be one.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on January 26, 2017, 09:57:26 am
Quote
@Bealman ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=255[/url])
That'll be Maurits then, George. Mauritius is a country :P

If Maurits keeps building at the rate he's building now, he soon will be one.


 :laughabovepost:
I think you're right!
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on February 06, 2017, 12:09:01 pm
...and finally also the second helix is ready!  :)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/V3ffFTGycIKEZCYCTZI0Fp2uIAtkKcH5poeHpS0c82yaAittX5VSIysMebSoZ8ok00-3aItaWxc374A1Q516z88uZUPOQzejXGZvcYBIjYtK6xFIs0XTV5KYGU9fRy3QHQ7DK3fbXJc8Ym9KfPF3QbIupexh9w3izXNAiuzQOgV5mPBZFkorCaXuNniphROGGSC52VKgC-rViKIl2YYFr7662uTyuoD16uxgd8TzqntINio2d7ANfXTGLhcj-bFOVNDCkCVS0Jd4ZqGCMJArvMGR3EhsNMfoY2suW9B4FCcY6bUM4JnKKy7X0YSl8dGTHu9YmrcOUetlAe_QA3-nw8mVWxmcWplyQ0fGuwM7EYcUWUqGiCpjxYAsjTfytVz5XS7PgGENrvaqOJMr1jcmam9SuIAHv1RHw6DWSGszQ_1slPX05FReo7VTR-zO1i7Gn9dF9bXNJzjSrjOXilRX7LRkCWk5FGhkZbd7_w2DBpkyugt5VuOlncajoj6SW73Sgv3lXiLunvBbTakQPV3WKE-8xwfpyt5yqsBRc6ePpFQOeV6DutG468DLcKhd7V8pZvBojaaGfbPdqih-yP8zVzCne0Jlhz__0dn4taXeoQ=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on February 06, 2017, 12:15:17 pm
Excellent feat of engineering :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on February 07, 2017, 03:45:17 pm
Thanks!

I've terminated the frame that will carry the main modules with the actual station layout.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/7NFJ1ajEl0X1z4vrRWPDeMlbFH2mlM9VZR36RS0RrhmNTyBMuyC7Y8GJeqs9SCW0kYdJdBy0RoUNomiRqV8ooUIF794xRgBMz8mR4bN7BPlGGo-9TnAdXhTNOnHaJ_fVzu91R0V3ZG1kcC-qHNY2_rNTsOZdhqKpxdHfxPdSugh64ewKguZ-JrRd3uWFZR5pb2yYp1piTgBA9LE2i2Y1N0rOtSgCvu7nVDgvKAIHTFTZBA_PfRH9291elad4q5Uz-kH6vTqO5XN1UYsJ2nzn9UOOnoTjYDbDL4NiDEntzjOoRxt2vsXfnXOkmvyLckazLtP3RQM-gw3YRTUZ_Fw9HKc_eZFy4Di4Rtdoe1jU6c8B5XYU9LCOYOvpxIXiiqcFl4-3vgGMfDT2W-gUCZ0UD3JThJReDB5-zCt2-It0V4Cort9x_7gnihBpCncXwMwsIQRePAtNbcLfRabq-W3aTaUUtYXz8W51kAhG2N4_xFQCrOkGZBmnLnbViaQEpb0Ma2CDiaCNTaBFJ5gdFtpBaJJMcoYZJmTOrL3Agm8S7wVpyzugAf6eCJ2vhb9uLSFG2OQzP08jTKwJfmGibVNn-rK2mWOEKM4kNZTYVprwJg=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on February 11, 2017, 05:13:03 pm
So, next phase, the construction of the 5 modules. The first has received it's brute form.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ICb1xO2czqpUMQqucfpQVThVfzHvP6GWh_AF-I2FzYrHxEHAgj9rlTHpKuRUurfo_n30maca_A-ZIiUN8CkCGoEmFWUhzigOS5lS2JkHb8RggCCfs7sJUzmwEzUtpBKYxygjaRTDuSnub55A2nDAHwy7mLyf7R5y_DpD-HGypGHUXXcYop3GR0Mj6pLc_QbZEXqp6mR9prS51D8zg5V1Wt4hdIjL_-Kko8xOP4HL8BMP09oVQDe2-FlCB48_2GadrcbfSyl2DIhND3Igbfy4coB6XiE3DAbrh0Q7UZl6hB_GEl7YD6s5P0HFuxKQf82ZH4bqQFunWxAJtTVGT5LRBLAqvTW_UIn71AoqADQWzdJJtL5dsFvaYMuwkXlPI3DYM1PPQPZn-hYG9C_7SWzxCxpvqbawSwZ2T2Hu9-XnWlwekBW3EltW7oXFW8PQDsvAnzt3yPm2AugL5CgPqDFFKjhmZZkIKJdSG1dI15i_HGOi9JL26XrScudlyTTd72ViqhGNh99cRIyICy3dLpOp2RuEi5vxHvWjVw0aJpGm0hpwBpATrZBhmcOGUPDHWQ42hXesesQrnh3AI-Ekfz6e09KgHUZJXuIhrHC-BLotkg=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 11, 2017, 10:21:02 pm
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign: Thanks for the updates Michiel, looking good
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on February 13, 2017, 04:35:21 pm
Last weekend got 4 of the 5 segments ready in their raw form. I still have to straighten and aline them, but first the fifth segment, the most difficult one because in the middle...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/7xkOPZN5UmWNPK-uTb-qx42erhQZOoaGv1ArIl8h2hFjWUrz3gewnt5YqihFK1EODn3JiFEgWe3NNRz1AOA6hSTsj66MF8ODQz-kufODmhri3fjrwqKnqiRtE4b-o0EPRsCWqEtlLgOKzCeB0s60dWlYptZXrxXtU_Nh-I_dWkfHme37BPQQ80XjLjQPcOYgQ8FQ30PUUg8UJnwqKsJa9bH-RUBXzSjn68ACgoPzhX0fIimsGMyrwcXz7uwJ5BQCT1bVKLK0Fm0pEhdDfsDwa5F6R4io4nkwDHNz7exEUMxXTrointbYvAns7GGnSjqgWrkKfX7skJtv15piwSH2fWF4BB0Wke0tJ21WjReBGYSDQ3vAXnQEXylDhzNIQd8bn_KlBN-2td64n6GPLt17MhV_5PGGLHFlUPraGMjkTXZHmKXH6Wkv7Y3LnifCjlqj-oqsqPvWN9G57mewZ5_eeidydkQb-Bgp50VqLPI6ZxlcBNxj9haU1TmEW4p3YWh9FmPxs8lrjLxbjQzC8gQc4sxKJLV4ORKD7MH0lgiSrAl5ppdcxx-rFopcKjsrvWfBMUnSDOEvR9DtorCJKiQA0t1PunEx0QItlLKiIeBV-Q=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on February 25, 2017, 02:53:13 pm
Since the shunting yard will be covered, I've installed lighting using LED-strips. The lighting is less yellow then suggested by the second picture.

(pictures lost)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on February 25, 2017, 03:22:17 pm
Excellent, Michiel.
The lights show just how long the fiddle yard is between the helices :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on February 27, 2017, 10:16:07 pm
Thanks! Between the helices I have 3,50 meter to be filled with station. The empty surface is inviting me to start now, but first I need to finish all electrical matters of both helices.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/H76xV3_9BmI3t6Aj8FID0xc3gmfniNZ3URS9C3n8vNwqQMioQxdEdMsFs6ebhoKrCP1PpPT_bQdPc9eRhjom03HaviZyhWa_YpOGRevzxK5z3YR3S8g6dy-Gy-qdEWmQBnn6uqXpBRGs1IvI4uSvPdjKmtGIn_gOV6wWVuUreL63yF0FV9ABIjt386WPjVVGA3Zxxbl-e2h56N25Ip2DqDxKw-XH3ZmzHoU1U0hUTq7MD0rcjbN4gRWm7NFG2XnvHvgzH9wPybk5J4A9B18eAHIwCKESmex8tbjxstcYe_hIz0frMVLXYid5mpiL6GllkJnDzjQyx9WUURX-rODnWrYHa4ApdS8OLjFmVFBtwtkE5m5I7r-HQ_9LxIT7MCljsy09mxrM_c-Jn34MUWQ09cj5dk3Nh2jFP5R60nL1nkK2VqW5X08rju4f3ooukQXhlshrTp67_HfkwMCVTEUyr52_Fzw3qZ7T_tE7_sFGq-d92wVAoRATtoHNzE2k0wuksIDPOb_sXkb42ljKtAh8RdGbJaLo9chMd8x3fvFb8e6wfMTW7tV12UwOpCpwQt_CvPph6anDg8J014NRN9m22OaIxBdEBePW8kFex8v42w=w1203-h903-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: mika on February 28, 2017, 12:40:52 pm
:jealous:
Michiel, how I envy you for that amount of space.
I'm looking forward to you starting with the scenics but I understand that you want to get the helices ready first.

 :greatwork:

Cheers
Michael
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: DCCDave on February 28, 2017, 02:06:04 pm
Thanks! Between the helices I have 3,50 meter to be filled with station. The empty surface is inviting me to start now, but first I need to finish all electrical matters of both helices.

([url]http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab181/Modelspoor/Lx1920/FrameWork/IMG_4839_zpsbvzy6ntk.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s862.photobucket.com/user/Modelspoor/media/Lx1920/FrameWork/IMG_4839_zpsbvzy6ntk.jpg.html[/url])


Love the way you've got that set up, maximises the available space. Can't wait to see what comes next...

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 01, 2017, 08:05:09 am
Thank you Michael and Dave. Maximizing the available space was indeed the challenge for this project. The room available is not much bigger, and has to be shared with a few other household functions. But I'm happy with what I've got now.

What's coming up? Well, as I said, first tidying up, and electrifying the tracks in both helices. Hopefully that will be terminated roughly in April. I would like to test run the current setup, and then start the actual layout section: the station of Brussels-Luxemburg.

My guide of inspiration, and as a hint to you about what to expect I'll build on the inviting empty surface, is here an arial view of the busy station in the year 1935. Have a nice day...  :)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/NeVBiHBBFrK1K_RkbOHCQ5eVcf8uwWdqO7JztTsHvCFAppKE9sVH63lonkKyseYKR6t2JvS6xBcBHpYwetjJTKZ_CjINmI8xgRlGDf1mBWcEz59jXAwvHnSDfjMqlbM2hDTXmOVjrvu9WOD41fzKDwynxNfbisGSVoCWO0isaesczeSRBBb9chrQICC8CIt0_mm6fqRE1FG7Dd-d9XABi2RoY6F-6SOIwn-sbnxELA5XUk5TB17Rsc9HR_WSa1mHRlsJUCJRZdIgVnpaNQHBpWu6PhMFgX1eedq1bOgMEQs_GZuOACx7mWQu1TeyVC9oOeoXMYBaUBOTb8V26DxekMgjc3HW647s0TiJtJ36Ka-vJpZu3RdmU8GcOhuIBLAbalwIhdSS8dSD80Ml3ERqxHr3PiT9iWaB0l0RoZqlq1LpwU_gJubk2g4bNPm-sWhc8l4xYofoTw6t2ylpKnse2FnQpumi8vf73WmGFTTOCjcyCAyTXI8W6cDKdu7g543iy0n-a-HSA0kKa6Bsbe5Gluk-4l35hve9ZIr29vwO6QYZqHJXHPDpiKLWlmKVEEpnJzsb3_WSw4-YlytezasVVWIA4SOXuFu3bDIm3mW_5g=w1388-h270-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 01, 2017, 08:27:09 am
Really superb work, Michiel.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Mito on March 01, 2017, 08:48:41 pm
Looking forward to seeing the photo turn into a miniature reality.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: port perran on March 01, 2017, 08:51:25 pm
That is all really neat.
I look forward to progress in due course.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 06, 2017, 12:27:31 pm
Last weekend I hooked up the two helices electrically. The rows of diodes are the occupation detectors. They are not yet connected to the feedback modules, that's for later, but the test running of trains manually could happen next weekend. I still need to tie up the wild bunch of orange wires.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/IJxfCmyDqC-7agKzspuL-E4A2Dg6DFNCfMMalrYnK3Sefcn2VCevU5-dGRLvSvb_RV25lBc4kvrYw2evyUn3X-Z4p3haAwkwBP-NjEublGXfsDRRQNkhMczvEI-FBw4EJTplGJ36_oC3risDpt0f7LA7r483X0iGOgTAGTPnpvgZLslFj8JxvEIUqXA4AAUy3jRrkS1DCeI_poh3_WRtpbGNsPxWmWhH4iNU5GE-KxQf8Rh2lv2B2WWlKRZQ72DCT2ZMVTCewZ0xP0b_TDAu014Q6EQvGuKr2fsRyaTFTT3r674Yu_OTcux3rPAdBfHKUnAukfdj85AHh1Emg3zCGUGAhPw8izrrXTHmWI2FfpgMCHbXGy93FvtHwc9mRAhXSYKxc-gKyHvta_pQR_FbVNxfFcSBCBBMQtlxcYQ6-J-XfHJukYvf51pPo1P9XqjV6dpAxSmEcgrrmTof-gjTUYyskEadlgfBgtWrnDZuA5jbu4WwwMPBAJc7QFz2MGU9MI7DN1B0ON8tPA0S7frSIb2TMkEMpJX_PH2T5-qBY6kgh1V_hagP8O1gFjW5NmAdaO3JDa4DRMaMVhTfWKT-WMq395tjAnwiO_oKyiqhOA=w677-h902-no)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 11, 2017, 04:37:35 pm
Both helices are connected electrically, and by track. So that demands a short video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5pWzwg9N1o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5pWzwg9N1o) ( <- click ! )
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on March 11, 2017, 07:25:17 pm
Excellent, Michiel :thumbsup:
Good to see all that soldering has been worthwhile :goggleeyes:
The tracks running close to unguarded sides of the helices really would worry me. Do you have any plans for protecting trains from a terrible fall (even if it is only stretching cling film round the outside)?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: wookie on March 12, 2017, 02:43:12 pm
Truly amazing!  :beers:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: port perran on March 12, 2017, 04:57:48 pm
Excellent stuff.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Southernboy on March 12, 2017, 04:58:50 pm
Thanks for the video, great stuff :)

It all looks very promising Michiel, and I'm impressed with how you're moving forward in such solid fashion. No short-cuts here!

With such an extensive layout / so many point motors / so much wiring / and I'm sure later there will be signals too / do you keep a wiring diagramme or simiilar should you ever have to trouble-shoot problems?

Similarly, do you envisage general maintenance being an issue at all? I see you have a track-cleaning train, but things like dust can accumulate over time and get sucked-up into engine motors and the like for instance ...

I'm just just wondering out loud really ... on my own layout regular dusting was a dull but necessary task - and on a large layout such as this it must be quite a big job? Or maybe not? Just curious what your thoughts are?


Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on March 12, 2017, 05:33:30 pm
Thank you very much for your feedback, gentlemen.

@newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264): Once i'm confident all is well, and the helixes are performing with satasfaction, I planned to place a rather low border all along the inside and outside. But that will hinder any intervention of technical nature, and that is why I wait untill confirmation all is running well.

@Southernboy (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=105):
About the wiring, I've no wire plan, I did not plan the wiring on paper or so,  but the wiring system I use is very common. And, I'm working very systematically, with my own colour code for each different function of the wire. The quantity might be a little more then the usual layout, though. But, because I work systematically, added by the color coding, I find the wiring quite straight foreward. In case of an error or malfunction it's clear what wiring section is implicated... to me.

About dust: it's also a preoccuaption of mine. I've no experience with layouts in the long term (this is would be my first) but dust protection as been on my mind when developing the construction of this layout. The hidden yard and helices will be inside a closed cupboard, behind doors and plexiglass, keeping it slightly overpressured with a slow turning fan (with dust filter of course). This should minimize the amount of dust below. For the upper part of the layout, I've not yet a plan. Of course I have a vacuum cleaner car to clean once in a while all the tracks.

Possibly once a year I should clean the tracks my hand... I've still to see how easy/difficult it will be.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on April 19, 2017, 12:48:10 pm
Both helices are finished. All track and sectors are connected to the occupancy and feedback modules. I've configured the traffic controlling software and I'm holding test run now. Initially I had quite a few problems, but now the locomotives are beginning to run better, without too many hick-ups.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Fo2wcrkYsn2UOstXg6XXPlxvQwBX99y_HFjq7qzCP4sLq5mTYCuqUCdtLh2IP9CsbPeIpDbspaxOcUtYEVVOOsjcgN8LUb2Kz2kETvXj0lRgzCXfyHgqsAGLPDAku0rkMjVjvkt2pEkkaFvNKz8EMb9KFDKVGOVZLUPf223DicIgupSmk4d28oxr3A6zxmLWb6CZfXSpdtePo8wV8o9wqo-1N6ogOOorg6actaAL_K7AIV5q7WqDvR0E8sHoHL01xf4QTN7xDZq3FRNWS-a19zylymC2bGXx3WvoLX5MA93MQTzmbRircWPoHfTN5RJdma1cn1PRI7nghff5HaS_P_ItOPRX7NuKIurYLdOwnSE47xRRqYgqu23MxiekwGirl42-uBjywTkSlWfGzFzx-tr5bNqcjYbUhUKoAP2Q3U8qm4IfLGT8U9Cihcf8D_1dYL1Xo6xf54oT3eYQUkWSJxVsNq3_UpO98-6XE_eiAZR1plCXuntsTefBUkHKzNHJXpoQe03ncKEF8hL0FE7oJMa044UBB3CpQijGvRTCdfwjnjPeacVk-cFxLMkkyEbekQGvsnUjfKMx3jdhwUHuXNritC0GIawUvk8b6rG1PA=w1203-h903-no)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on April 22, 2017, 10:25:48 pm
Another short video with test running my layout with nine trains, digitally controlled.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/71E99DosCUM/hqdefault.jpg) (https://youtu.be/71E99DosCUM)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on April 23, 2017, 10:42:35 am
Absolutely mesmerising, Michiel :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Hiawatha on April 23, 2017, 04:12:41 pm
A most impressive layout!  :thumbsup:

The two brown locomotives - are they repaints or built-up kits? And is the brown colour from a pre-SNCB railway (I only know a few green SNCB steam locos)?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on April 24, 2017, 08:11:51 am
Thank you, gentlemen.

The brown locomotives are indeed from de Belgian State Railways, which preceeded the current NMBS / SNCB. The house style color was brown, but at the period I am depicting (just after World War I) many of the locomotives received from Gemany as war damage payment, are still running in their original German colours. Also a few left-over English locomotive will run past Brussel-Luxemburg, the 3 last ROD 2-8-0 (ex-LNER O4/2) locomotive pulling the last trains repatriating the soldiers from the German front lines to the North Sea harbours (passage to Dover).

 So, it will be a very colourfull display of liveries.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on May 07, 2017, 07:04:51 am
Test runs are over, and revealed a lot of minor isseus, which have been dealed with. I started building again, and am laying the tracks aproaching the station (south side), with the first points. It is still a puzzle how to lay and drive them, especially because I can not simply place the motor underneath the points.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/tqIIb7CGrltc4huMxCYun5u--bCkQdXI2X12nu3GWrtxSX8RtB0aeD4GS2rcTBHbwpQl1SioZGgWqhUv-M5gQVEoQAqGvxRBjI82GcosEN6YXc1uzQoswxVSdfqTe1bnK7LhemkvAZe1naNFrlcGD2ysXwy3kXslL6XdCp5MM0zqdf_EEzOBwbN5Ns6VvV3s3-98u3TLG9N18i-8pqaA_q2fJE2Sh-T03ySAZ8SoQIMnmKfmck2GvMaJ9vU6OrwhRpqlzBQoyWTzsRfQ82CF-w_EyF6POawyopaIsD84LaChsXd43B7gd1eoSiYyWHPZ1f4UurwpHbkTMqrUu3wRHgW4BHv0qdUzocTqOGU33ie-bCvMhvpjsfQ7zeB4HKUk34eUMbY6JWBkdtE8yQM-w7kUv8tZpwg0BEjWO7610GjFKybrbO0GQqZDNouDi1VfurLMIgkCFOAwwNOIk2s-h9shILwk05vExMJVYbSBU-WfANzz65Mz1gaIdYdXqEsMJvlRXsTOJ8DAgF95LOhlFWrIPR1GC3pXqeaPHtKua8pXgSiog38UXkdXKIUjxbAFBJZjL7lLf3cyeXU2r0ol4hzd_p-v6y9MuZFAdILtGWjHraFFJrpjlfNt=w894-h671-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on May 07, 2017, 12:02:24 pm
How are you going to work round motorising those points, Michiel?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Bealman on May 07, 2017, 12:38:09 pm
Peco supply above board mounting equipment   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on May 15, 2017, 07:56:25 am
I'm planning to use rods to drive the points by servo motors from farther away. I still need to build the prototype system to see if my idea is working.

The last weeks I've been chasing an electrical problem which hang my Littfinski feedback modules after a few quarters of an hour running of trains. The cause has finally been found and fixed, so I can continue with the creative and constructive work. The four-double track approaching the main station will have a double bridge to run out of sight...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LjpUX3Xo0Fl62CZ-tt33lkXsu2rPYzUKzguZYXzIFDaAv2cBDILPL8HCUiANq-2PoXuj1j9qCyZ_GooRMukzMgIY-M8S4ftXsEV_Wyr1dhD9VUyMOc1325R0xngSMBp3ONb0ci0R6pC4TakTIZ_oaY80UWvSXJPGMrxc0Z1ADlaB51NPfMgKLlVofJDuVd8cphPYhM-jHar0gmojeNexKqhHk0YkV0_vnUC-oHPb3r5GewUp6KN_yCGAiBNSuaFySt4s-5Zr_Yl8dNpkfqAlp0bo8jFY16AepxwpRN6whAY4zj_o3ZhNTPJ6FStwwzsdZQDTwctuxa7VzHUjzTqUtDR76pevNH91Uc3JYint0xFidhs7BQT5yh4da_aYFvU8dqJsIEjBCGEQBLqMttlVcsuxCbjI6cf2uqwShIL3QdbC1jidfybMxD663a1VahrITLLry4zx1RlTE569edVh_HfNJVPXRPMThdBwZIWn6K4NI46Ismz4gigb-stuTtHhlXRci0lxP4RHTILMFY5F7kaC2pEfzdUBbB04C7x-uMLrRhDEGSF1HvQmoVWRGdE3vCGGzYQzY6CWlIIqIdnbBTeIlOvqDvnZlc1gsMIoFwYk2g7qnNdxgqiT=w894-h671-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: mika on May 15, 2017, 09:57:05 am
Hello Michiel,

the helices arelooking very good. I'm looking forward to the scenic developments.

Cheers
Michael
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on June 03, 2017, 12:12:43 pm
I'm working on a mechanical system to operate the points, comparable to what has been used a century ago: functional and visible as the real thing.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/05mRaL1JcDw/hqdefault.jpg) (https://youtu.be/05mRaL1JcDw)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Southernboy on June 03, 2017, 07:20:38 pm
I love it Michiel, as you say, functional, and like the real thing. And you plan to keep the rodding visible? 
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on June 03, 2017, 07:40:14 pm
I build it this way because it looks close enough to be convincing, and will be kept in sight, as you can see on the picture below from a station somewhere in the UK. Only the part with the levers and the (future) servo motors will be hidden.

(mark the rods left and right beside the track bundel)
(http://roscalen.com/signals/Bognor/090315/StationThroatWide.jpg)

Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on June 10, 2017, 08:26:24 pm
Today I did just some test running to see if the newly layed points are connected correctly. Here is a very short video of the passing by of trains at these points.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wW6Ndk6zdvY/hqdefault.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW6Ndk6zdvY)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: MinZaPint on June 12, 2017, 03:08:01 pm
Smashing video, I really enjoy seeing your (different to me) rolling stock and running so smoothly too. Looking forward to more  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: joe cassidy on June 12, 2017, 08:04:56 pm
Great trackwork, great trains.

Thanks Michiel.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on June 13, 2017, 08:23:18 am
...I really enjoy seeing your (different to me) rolling stock and running so smoothly too...
I'm working towards a Belgian collection of rolling stock from around 1920-1930, but since there is nothing on the market, I'm heavily leaning upon the war damage locomotives  and wagons from mainly Prussian origin Belgium received after WW1. By time the collection will shift more towards the Belgian assortment with scratch building. But that is for later.

Getting steamers to run without hesitation is not easy, due to their weird wheel formations and limited weight, especially since I'm only using very old second-hand stuff bought for £20 or less, and repaired them again. The modern BoBos and CoCos are easier, but steamers need a lot of attention to get it right. Also the track laying needs extra care, but in all I'm very satisfied with how they run.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on June 26, 2017, 03:07:42 pm
I've connected electrically the entire track section approaching the station at the southern side. All is wired and sectionned. Track has been fixed to it's final position, and received a first coat of a dirt coloured paint. I't starting to look.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4aFH077_-FgHsZ2DYfTVuabesm9Aq13RJKIwXpjpLJSx_Qj3pFJXdWtggOMXw9HeiOQs4Gq2v_YwOFGQPYbPGp44Myq574AFCmCNZ2Yk9ZgJ1ztAiIB0sZWWEQK586O8E07CQngbyEGZlA5MqM54-yBdAZZsfpBHHwp2uSvSsL5EMLj2iBXDML1GnISbWuNK8vK0q7umH3hltxd5M8menl0cr2StLqeGjtedBXoM9RZ5euJUHgcpCy3syaEN3yWiukvTyag8g1uxDw3KoDJCgVqHlMb9lFFb_ck_UFVw0FHX0sXWs8RJlSXdDq1JaMOXS06-yaLbd_9QWSZhEtp7NloEIwMPz5iwtgDgrQJsJ3IjyVxNpO8vaWv7Qp7Xbm1mBQjwXP68Dw4szJuMANPmfrtYtcQ4SQUiygcu7Di--wQWTcAF6XOhEsBgNI3ktIssC67c-kxYcRV0hokzfh8LZhDcCRunzOhajWXF3nWohsa69UfzSFx9ecVBkxGes10H2IzPALUeII7p1yUjdMU8y-g0WJ1NKygzqoxRaIJsqUJQfMGMvizF3AhBDbwNG9czLWFlD2LP4SPd1XmJrN6PDrs9zWU3gI-yWVufoUb_9U0Uho124CFm9MpK=w894-h523-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on June 26, 2017, 03:34:31 pm
Watched over by 'les deux femmes formidables' I see ;)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on June 27, 2017, 07:36:04 am
I'm surpised you remember them. I did not watch well over them, because I lost them.  :-[  That is why they were absent this many time. I "bought" them again, and so they are re-incarnated: Germaine and Urbanie are back!  :)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on July 06, 2017, 01:55:30 pm
I'm sorry all my images have been rendered unvisible. Photobucket decided to block the view all images unless I pay a ransom of $400 per year. I decided not to pay the ransom money, and I will move all my images to another server. This will take some time. My appologies.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on July 06, 2017, 02:53:09 pm
No need to apologise, Michiel. Many other members are also doing the same.
I hope Photobucket come to regret their decision.
I've forgotten my password to Photobucket so won't bother accessing it :no:
There's nothing there I'm worried about.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on July 20, 2017, 10:34:48 pm
I began to replace the broken images. It will take time, because it's quite a cumbersome process.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 12, 2017, 08:14:51 am
Just a small video to show the progress of my layout: slow but steady...

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kd8NEEmJquw/hqdefault.jpg) (https://youtu.be/kd8NEEmJquw)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on August 12, 2017, 12:33:13 pm
Fascinating, Michiel.
On the Northern approaches did the 2 trains stop deliberately?
You have some very interesting locos and stock.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 12, 2017, 01:09:17 pm
The 2 trains stopped as was programmed, but I made a mistake in the programming. They waited for the wrong occupation at the wrong place. I noticed it also when I was recording. Something that is easily fixed.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on August 28, 2017, 10:00:50 pm
I'm slowly progressing with laying the tracks of the main station. Where is time when one needs some?

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/PhOyXqjaU3tP8D2VmhFQX5HvtiNuXkH_qhlQskAIpQ0uxPQ03F_DutAFStoe-S4fQq9LV1apwM0J1VUqoggWbLUoaG5Fvdk2WDW0VfD3lasjXIlY7D9WyHmTYzZ-wM_iscmrtAka_cZ3e-2A823UFHE99fDxv6NpQnmVLUq9hnGNwtOrQDg4NxbbUC27igkdk-YWdRvb-WhKMtI7-DPieUjPjvtpGv0bfSWZmUDvzYVZFdNmC7nDGQ86Ahx1sXNQ3qfA2ToL-tXpA9VvJ9U88ryrZj43b8mBI4FlDDOaWr4pQcZvJA7QjZAmmOWBzIMn__FV0JkLotMRJ-4bbwMmNPW0l51qKwtApcw4YlMJ5AE-QCXP06P8FT6rsjR2NmVyPgPwGe_eDzCxeBabPcXYH5BWmyAao5X8GZ9ien8b_futvdLtuTOe-iWJWHSR-DCkY0w6el3r2UohTTkdE84KuRFwHirC6Oz29q23ofXM-hmNBND94Jpzeiso7AN8X2W9jwGF5YyIRHQMQgq49GfraMJyfkaXp7sEmY6WXKQoNcnlCC1ltZQ6NwmEIBJMIWNPyP8OiAA38U-tiasx1rEB3AwNbSilkuUmcqk2FZ5Y9Y2_GHuUvNZl=w1024-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on August 29, 2017, 09:31:16 am
 :goggleeyes:
I think your loco drivers are going to require some serious route training, Michiel :D
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Southernboy on September 02, 2017, 07:08:58 pm
That track-work looks convincingly complex - plus hours of fun to come with wiring it all up - a task not to be envied, but ultimately one which I'm sure will bring much reward and satisfaction. I look forward to seeing this progress.

For the platforms / station buildings / do you have plans and/or photos to work from?
 
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on September 03, 2017, 06:34:59 am
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/azdEJFA9RS_SIFsbZtOxiZ6cKpbbIhj2wkpWImV0xLfSsImmvuIqGOT2ha9O8TAb-Q0oiCQ8wJrVY51vyAYeNjLAGntx4ljqmujWnSXSvA2wx9UiYuqXCk8ghyZbICv8e4T6cWlXD0188r2ChKWvCzLi-uU5sIBD6vo1QjBr9MvI_31mQ0dRieSqn_w6DpYTJgI05Vs4EjZN5lyGTxQldobIwXh7ichrH3tUrmrD9bjku317SyCLYEmEzRUFB1zedRTjzCm9Vgjkc3MNV-DjL152q6dJ4gy-Ek38aZcJ5_m33aldW0VPNAa7iwcrsSrO_eoWYl0bf4B9FILLrE4TOV9UnyieyUcKnwGEBNTfvKDwRdFZ8BIIOBvExERIF4sOroobRcxQyBKw5JDTEe27KL7YVzj3dOG4RXr396jBfMgerf2V1WzveL5MVhUF_izfDHgQLF2lbm3Vx77ec_GyT5Zwukojw59unppkoFFbs8fnmXvdvAK2ZS1uYo_2YbrcEtoiVy4anNYjIKCtgkEAUFfBr9CBgjHM0Jlz1_tqLFhg-9ALkzzDrym96Jo2UdDLX30J54Q0K6X-ja6LBGUx96YZm_zbSE5l-AaUx4v9I2_YmWR6JOiO=w1315-h653-no?.jpg)

The two World Wars on our territory left ethernal wounds. We have no archives left, only a few scattered documents. I have found a few pictures and paintings of the station buildings and platforms, but most of the modelling will be done on basis of "what could have been". Only the main building has been preserved. Everything als has been destroyed, and replaced by a modern underground station serving the European Government quarter. Below you'll see a atmospheric painting of the station at around 1925, from our famous Belgian painter Paul Delvaux.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ThXUVkKnKshzCRXqDIzG1c9h4ugG2git8iz0SNeyGPdFCefMoTR0ZqAVYYBtPfV7xdQlRnN15CPcB3hVQCwRdnamqx9_1lYZfmMaLjJurerBNoH6GwApNooEK4fzkZmWjPB400VWZ78G7Yks9t4HanP9K1OJ_L8HfXbabbG5qPydUvtXjP4c5lDoUMXdgvcZEkp71H2vDvh4znhNPd01sweKWUphCrFoDfdOduuF4G0ejNz8FLQhfpYE5_FHObP9OaaL6NC123bG5u9RZSzVxT2yzzcVbeLYZTan1OSfIDjpFgjS4zjpmNSMpHhz5D-YPHrQh9qSuZLCtvTjNzJzeODwr5hqUpneFSOrX2jxAZKNG9QEvcTnIX1KRq52AH9w7kXqIQt544tlFPRcZjaUJho5pMUbcgS_3uXP5spFOsgCJYFYuyy22yIJKb6wKuMACis7Re2tMEV6cgfmHM59K-4xV0Riw0TZvXVXKE_ExbvyanH5Cnfrb_Ozdn6nnhbgh87FGVsNKkrae5Lrh7Fus2oMOcjV8pq18zeXeXVWFn60vuxOOsua_ZPFS3iSQ7cOt-B29CrTAcfDHNLvdhvUBL0Zj60mFv3qNeQS22orCH2SICTR448D=w800-h655-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on September 05, 2017, 09:35:59 pm
A remarkable moment: the circle is closed, the head line is going round. The tracks have been layed, but I still need to do the wiring and electrical stuff at the under side, so trains are still not running.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/UihG6Lauj0LmWlutiKqzP4LNMml4FNWCvDJR3ZqxGwW92f1OSF4hWtBWwA0eKoEr_Bd2nku7d5JOMbZVIhslLsJIXUbapVNlZssaVEJByeMDFP76yMMo2mwOfBJPSbVWsjRBsAGeEIYmmj0cT-Iw2U11hr_AZpNxhb5JGyGkVW8mN9_N7pG4xyNvGN-_AaSJRaDpiTSxzoraJRfpNYfrD12DwzCG2a1U7oQeWRsoFyoQ8MiSP24bgVbcFnnOji-8XIv5vrZT3KI6HaO5zEpnE13aZNRZY08gRmcOoB0P33hEPF0-HSW_sZxV7yviDyKHsAZmjOLvKT5iJMo657qKeu59HishcXMXWpCom-NA9-Rtfec4_-KuXj52oe3R4kvcjXVVmlJWpfmr-1gMdBOLyuwKPBRsIxtX6SuxkbuE-gWfzSK_Br7r0GA1uv7aLViTIwXJfZ_EzCBFeH7xws-AlOPg87BtIz-x5EI0-oohINQVBO9J2AqQjuXpAyz0I68ZreatEQ7lA4QZd4n61uuqS6khZObjINFrqvS62Z5uSoKaoRrSdKyUP0AdSdnsy9V23deZbSCM_Z3kixjwwSsrmHolYwr0QnwMK2y46jU7AGSLWD4OSs0L=w615-h819-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on September 05, 2017, 09:45:40 pm
Very impressive. You just know we'll want a video as soon as you have trains moving ;)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on September 06, 2017, 08:31:07 am
Thank you. I'm working out a plan of strategy to get those train running as soon as possible. Not yet fully automated, that will be the next step.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: cornish yorkie on September 06, 2017, 11:32:17 pm
 :hellosign: Nice one Michiel, looking good   :thumbsup:
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: mika on September 07, 2017, 03:20:41 pm
Look at that space! Truly impressive.

Michael
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 23, 2017, 03:49:09 pm
I'm surpised you remember them. I did not watch well over them, because I lost them.  :-[  That is why they were absent this many time. I "bought" them again, and so they are re-incarnated: Germaine and Urbanie are back!  :)

Delighted to see them back, again, Michiel.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on October 19, 2017, 10:49:03 am
I've restored all my images in this thread (except a few I lost forever), since the Photobucket disaster. I'm back in the running...  :)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: McRuss on October 19, 2017, 06:42:01 pm
Hello Michiel,

good to hear that you could recover most of your pictures.

Markus
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on December 17, 2017, 03:43:10 pm
Here's the situation of my layout today, with a small video:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5CZgL9gwm00/hqdefault.jpg) (https://youtu.be/5CZgL9gwm00)

Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on December 17, 2017, 04:00:34 pm
Lovely video, thanks :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on December 17, 2017, 04:29:37 pm
Thanks, Michiel.
You have some smashing locos and rolling stock.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Mito on December 17, 2017, 06:10:39 pm
Says it's blocked in Spain :(
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 17, 2017, 06:20:14 pm
Many thanks, Michiel, for the video update. Very nice to see all those trains running.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on December 17, 2017, 08:23:41 pm
Thank you for the thumbs!

@Mito (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3659) : you are right. Some guy in Spain managed to claim royalty for the 100 year old music!?  :dunce: I've replace the music by other 1920 stuff; less catchy, but alas. The music is secondary. I hope you are able to see the video now.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Mito on December 17, 2017, 08:41:40 pm
Now I see it :thumbsup:  A lovely video. I like all the different types of locos. What was the problem with the brown one, with the wheels locking up?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on December 17, 2017, 09:29:32 pm
Just lack of some librification. Most of my locomotives need in one way or another some care. A matter of dedicating some time for it. ;)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: weave on December 17, 2017, 10:14:55 pm
Hi Michiel,

Great video. I especially love the London-Brindisi Express.

Please keep'em coming.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on December 19, 2017, 12:50:31 pm
Thank you, Weave. The English connections of the Luxemburg station in Brussels are not far away. It were the English who financed the building of the station and railway line through Belgium to Luxemburg during the 1860's-1870's. They looked for a faster route to the Eastern colonies, avoiding the slow detour by ship by Gibraltar. Other British influences will appear at due time (Mac-Intosh locomotives, English troop transport trains from Germany to Ostend/Dover,...). Belgian and British rail a century ago had a lot in common.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: chrispearce on December 31, 2017, 05:44:39 am
Hi Michiel. Excellent progress and great video. It looks like you are building the station to actual scale size (judging by the aerialpic and your overlaid trackplan at the start of the thread) which is impressive. Does the prototype still exist? I've tried to find it on Google Maps but without any luck. Has it changed beyond all recognition?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on December 31, 2017, 07:29:57 am
The original station has been reduced to a mere 6 platforms, buried under ground. Now the buildings of the European Parleament are filling the space on top. Nothing is left except the facade of the ancient station building. So yes, it changed beyond all recognition. I'm trying to unbury the memories of the old days when the station was glorious, famous and steamingly busy.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: chrispearce on December 31, 2017, 08:04:14 am
If the station has been buried then we really NEED your layout! Hope you are able to find enough images/info on the original. About the last video - is there a track that crosses the mainlines at the right hand end at 90 degrees?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on December 31, 2017, 08:21:48 am
That crossing is indeed 90°. It's the crossing of the tram line with the train line. Since I did not find a code 55 electrofrog crossing of 90°, I had to make it myself. It's ugly, but it serves the purpose, and once inbeded in the street, it will be nice and beautifull.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Southernboy on December 31, 2017, 09:37:06 am
As always Michiel it's a delight to see an update from you.

I really enjoyed your clip.

Trains of the period are so full of character. Plus the original Brussels station trackplan lends a rarely-found authenticity to proceedings.


 
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: joe cassidy on December 31, 2017, 11:55:21 am
Nice to hear from you again too Southernboy.

Any news on a follow-up to Frankland ?

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on January 05, 2018, 10:04:37 am
Last two weeks I test ran my layout intensively, and I had a rough time with my Littfinski feedback modules. The onboard processor hangs after undetermined time or cause: sometimes after 10 minutes, sometimes after 5 hours, of running 10 trains non-stop. Very annoying, because the hangup of the modules cause major traffic chaos with collisions and derailments. I've to find an alternative, but that's a story for later.

To relieve myself from the disappointment and frustration, I started something totally different: scratching walls out of plaster. I've scratched 60 cm of wall and glued it together. It needs to dry now before detailing further...

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Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on January 05, 2018, 11:19:33 am
That's a labour of love and you deserve a medal for doing it that way, Michiel.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 05, 2018, 11:27:24 am
That's a labour of love and you deserve a medal for doing it that way, Michiel.

Seconded!
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on January 27, 2018, 03:48:26 pm
I continued with the wall in plaster, and started the construction of the signal box in plasticard. It's getting form, but I also see that I've still a lot to learn...
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Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 27, 2018, 08:00:53 pm
Thanks, Michiel. Very nice to see the two ladies, again, too! 8-)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on June 16, 2018, 10:23:59 pm
The 5 station through tracks are now automated. I made a short video of the test running, to celebrate this memorable moment.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IzPU00FmQRI/hqdefault.jpg) (https://youtu.be/IzPU00FmQRI)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 17, 2018, 07:49:24 am
Excellent progress, Michiel, with some very interesting trains.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: mika on June 17, 2018, 07:56:03 am
Congratulations on the progress. This looks really good.

All best,
Michael
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on June 17, 2018, 09:41:03 am
It's great to have an update, Michiel, and to see some of your fascinating rolling stock
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on June 17, 2018, 06:32:51 pm
Chris, Michael and Newportnobby, thanks!
I know that visually nothing changed, but behind the scenes, the wiring and electronics, have changed a lot. Now the entire layout has the basics for running automated (by PC) and to expand easily there were needed.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on September 14, 2018, 08:46:48 am
After a long vacation interruption, trains are running again... hesitantly. I started to construct the platforms of the station and made a short video of the test runs along the platform borders.

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(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1oPOYBV7phI/hqdefault.jpg) (https://youtu.be/1oPOYBV7phI)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on September 14, 2018, 09:38:08 am
Thanks for that, Michiel. I always find your locos and rolling stock fascinating and think, if I wasn't doing UK steam/early diesel, I would very much like your era.
Is all of your stock available 'off the shelf' rather than kit built?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on September 14, 2018, 09:50:10 am
Thank you Newportnobby. I fact, there is not one model "off the shelf" for my region (Belgian State Railway) and my period (1920-1930). I buy models (all occasions) that are closely related (ex Prussian war damage locomotive) from the normal brands (Minitrix, Arnold, Fleischmann, ...) and transform them. I'm also scratch building some models, and some kits are also welcome (eg Langley's LNER "Camel" Sentinel steam railcar, Belgium bought 3 units from the LNER in 1930). I made a small video of the test runs of the latter, which might interest you all.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CRrW2RDalCk/hqdefault.jpg) (https://youtu.be/CRrW2RDalCk)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Newportnobby on September 14, 2018, 04:08:48 pm
Thank you, Michiel.
I guessed the stock was kit built or modified - something I am not able to do :(
The Sentinel looks good but a little noisy at slow speed. It seems to quieten down at higher speed.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on September 14, 2018, 05:12:52 pm
You are right about the noise. I did not know the Tomytec motors, and selected it for it's size. It's small enough to keep the entire passengers cabin AND both steering cabins free. It sits exactly where the original steam motor sat. But the noise... I hope to be able to reduse the noise a little with modified decoder settings. We'll see...
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Snowwolflair on September 14, 2018, 05:16:00 pm
You are right about the noise. I did not know the Tomytec motors, and selected it for it's size. It's small enough to keep the entire passengers cabin AND both steering cabins free. It sits exactly where the original steam motor sat. But the noise... I hope to be able to reduse the noise a little with modified decoder settings. We'll see...

They are not usually noisy.  Is it noisy when not in the model?
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on September 14, 2018, 05:37:37 pm
The noise is the same, inside or outside the model. The noise is only at low velocity. When running at medium speed, or fast, the noise is gone. But unfortunately this model only runs very slowly. The Tomytec motors seem to be made for HSTs and Bullettrains...  ::)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Snowwolflair on September 14, 2018, 05:40:26 pm
If it is a cardan drive type it sounds as though it is not lined up correctly.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on September 14, 2018, 05:53:49 pm
It's not a cardan type of drive, but worm and worm wheel drive (is it called that way in english?). To me the decoder is using too much feedback, but I need to play with the decoder settings yet to see if it has any impact.
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Southernboy on September 14, 2018, 10:23:57 pm
Good to see an update Michiel.

Love the clips - this is certainly a layout full of unique character.


Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on September 15, 2018, 01:07:38 pm
Thank you, Southernboy. It's slowly coming togehter, but fortunately I still have huge amounts of work to get it somewhat presentable. I just made another very short video of the first use of platform 9 in my station ( platforms 6 till 8 are not yet build).

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hOkBPT6cWO4/hqdefault.jpg) (https://youtu.be/hOkBPT6cWO4)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on September 24, 2018, 09:27:48 am
Last weekend I placed the first 3 platforms in full length. Trains are stopping with a reason now, en not just in an abstract open space. It makes a huge difference when running the trains, and watching them to halt, wait and leave again.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/tAlhRyRCv_l7HlpYU6D-JVvJQXLAzqwds928RNhYB9JYWMVxuJu4VWHuWbW_FFMfxwPmH7EKiSHLrgZ9UDw7T1KXgiqVvpRuMiffZU_-T_iQbHvv1juKNWnrmNvh4aNfFndmtVhgvtnjfItE4wcEBfso3oldYLtFYII14jn8OqqkWIK5agxALEjyIxApaOA6GRJk8YeYbqcWyuCEIsWuOCPYL7XFTFnbyB2aknK1vNR2d81bVH_GDdhhUKUME78PsQZJvcvIvNIM2Ng0y2y0jQURvZ3ZKGQA2zv8H7s4zN5tQfF6chCVv-yBnSYS1pSjMqI7g-tzXsUDPZ3b5s97I0KKo7xSo_ZemDAJQ5fjJSR1by7fCu7Vt88BhW49ebO3UspfnPDXa5WKIsqUUtfv3APYRo7kad0J0RF6SmHbo1643MglaTodEArW4f7jZV4EoM49neCQoIgiPd9iJIIZV9rEYpk_At3nvwhaDxQcqt_uxrV1CVvhR0JpHBvwkFeCE9V36S4C2q_BQh2pGN0Wu2hU0ytWanEzw_Qbs9v7DDZizNCZ00W2s3rWt0jcbzDsTdrTR1Ti0PQ1k8cxdBuvxtzVqKQl3shXqiO3RyS0ffQFxjCpLy1N8W9_VPIZo10=w1024-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: LX1920 - station Brussels-Luxemburg anno 1920
Post by: Michiel on November 05, 2018, 02:55:01 pm
I started to add another few station tracks, servicing the terminal part of the station.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/AaEO4IWpSv_Vibl5SXbsGcLwU0DVMRdWGMhEJl3CeE0huGPhhP5OOmj1Vi6nxHZ8X-cAWL3NlafJz3OSMzrUAZ5xIsi-ervwTOnIWESZaHTLQo7cfP-DHgwxVRlXyweSBQfZkif6JXDQGDvWjQbRY7ktY5tGGxgAD1I89zTFVF58keI7z7qsHpBgF3TtfNQUDEi9_gCl1TQwV0qjd2VC2C2MJunWPrg3HJ9pszavH8jhL0sttvicXxaZX2D-L9CvHngG_TFmRqy1OOCvtO1DVtZBinll1qnCot8unWIT-wbgYzKYTQdIZ2q_zKD-PqZQxDUj7qtM2LUXW6aZXgOH2gAn7bYF4H5fm2gUIVcpLKbzU_wKLIChWaInf0f0DgywCBySxWZU6UNpD8Gb45nqDT2vWC4ekrZhfvUCXxf5sy-ryUTw6gVHZ5apr3wZ2pmuoz1_0UadQ-V3Q2m8I4YV6_ya8JSmfL1bVx9wMIn65wcvMPOgTtjnq5weEF4pU5kLh6AV05euDX37IxxcR784GCCZkEU6BZV6nLW232eR4j2ojvZud8mHWpxEYKndDmUt15BR57J1Myvw62JkW4SKZLRBUtHH0oeOZAb5KScwgomCkzpYTuYhY5cEp5cxsahOmHvWORnln2UeK8qxCBabfJqi=w1414-h849-no?.jpg)

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