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Title: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on December 26, 2013, 04:46:58 pm
I have acquired a part-finished layout from a former member of the MRC I am a member of. Three 48"x18" baseboards, track laid, wired up and basic scenery. I am hoping to develop it into a port/holiday resort 'somewhere on the south coast between Weymouth and Dover'.

Pictures below taken by previous owner for very comprehensive description sheet for the layout he was trying to sell:

View from fiddle yard end; 'rest of the world' on the left, exchange sidings on the right.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9040.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9040)

The exchange sidings (explanation later), 'Rest of the world' behind backboard right. There is also a tunnel mouth in the cliff on the right with a bit of 'Z' gauge track as a narrow-gauge railway to a transfer siding right.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9041.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9041)

The main station throat pointwork on the right, the exchange sidings in the distance.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9042.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9042)

Fiddle yard and exchange siding end again.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9043.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9043)

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Bought the layout, put it up in my garage.

Overall view (picture cropped to shield sensitive eyes from the other accumulated crud in the garage):

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9010.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9010)

The station end. Station is on the left (note platform in situ). The two long lines in the middle are the goods yard and the single unfinished line on the right runs down the quayside of the harbour - the dropped part of the baseboard far right. The exchange sidings are intended to be where wagons for the quay are dropped off by the BR engine to be picked up by a dedicated dockyard shunter. The spur by the tunnel mouth far left is just the right length for a tank engine and twin push-pull set or a 57' three-set.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9011.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9011)

Some stock arranged in the platform to demonstrate that I really need to extend it to accomodate my proposed trains...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9012.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9012)

Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: port perran on December 26, 2013, 05:58:34 pm
Great - plenty of scope for development I think.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Newportnobby on December 26, 2013, 07:36:46 pm
Looking forward to see how this progresses :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on December 26, 2013, 10:42:42 pm
The current motive power available on Dunestone - except where noted, all will be paying works visits to be detailed and weathered:

Dapol LSWR M7 class 0-4-4T no.37 in Southern green - bought 2nd hand from a fellow club member - this one will be making its way to the paint shop to be repainted into BR lined black, and possibly push-pull fitted.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9050.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9050)

Minitrix BR 2MT 2-6-2T no.41240 in BR lined black - one of my original locos from the 70s - still running well.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9051.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9051)

Dapol LBSCR A1X 'Terrier' 0-6-0T no.32661 in BR lined black

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9052.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9052)

Farish BR 3MT 2-6-2T no.82041 in BR lined green

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9053.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9053)

Dapol SR Q1 0-6-0 no.33005 in BR black

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9054.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9054)

Farish BR 5MT 4-6-0 no.73158 in BR lined black - another destined for the works to emerge as one of the 73080-89 'Standard Arthurs' as soon as I can get hold of some appropriate name plates

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9055.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9055)

Dapol BR 7MT 'Britannia' 4-6-2 no.70004 "William Shakespeare" in BR lined green

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9056.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9056)

BR Class 08 0-6-0 shunter no.D3729 in BR green (factory weathered)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9057.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9057)

BR Class 33 Bo-Bo no.D6577 in BR green

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9058.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9058)

BR Class 73 'JA' Bo-Bo no.73 001 in BR Blue - lost a horn unit from the roof of this one (surprise!) - will visit the paint shop to be repainted into original green with grey stripe, and have detailing parts added.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9060.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9060)

BR Class 73 'JB' Bo-Bo no.E6033 in BR blue - this one will just have detailing parts added and left in ex-works condition.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9059.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9059)

BR 4CEP EMU no.7105 in original EMU green

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9061.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9061)

BR 4CEP EMU no.7113 in later green with small yellow warning panel

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9062.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9062)

Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: willintas on December 27, 2013, 07:13:41 am
How does your 3MT Work?-Does it Waddle up the track?
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on December 27, 2013, 12:44:01 pm
 ??? - Works quite smoothly, actually...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Greybeema on December 27, 2013, 01:08:18 pm
Great place to start from Talisman56.  There are a number of Southern and Southern Electric layouts to look for on the forum.

What industry are you going to model through he exchange sidings - being the White Country - I do cement but there are loads more..

Keep us all updated will you??
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Sprintex on December 27, 2013, 01:24:21 pm
I agree, an excellent basepoint to develop into whatever you fancy :thumbsup:


Paul
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on December 27, 2013, 02:11:28 pm
Great place to start from Talisman56.  There are a number of Southern and Southern Electric layouts to look for on the forum.

What industry are you going to model through he exchange sidings - being the White Country - I do cement but there are loads more..

Keep us all updated will you??

I'm undecided on what to put in the exchange sidings - I have some PCA cement tankers in the freight stock box but have since discovered that they post-date my time period considerably - pity, as they are excellent models. Looks like I'll need to swap them for some Presflos in due course...

I also have an un-made Metcalfe Brewery kit in the 'kits to make up' bag, so that is another option.

I will be working on the layout from right-to-left, i.e. station, town and harbour, before tackling the exchange siding end to give me some time to decide - you know how it is, you finish something off and someone brings out something that you like even more...

The 3rd rail will only be installed on the platform lines and run-round loop, per prototype. I have a Farish electric substation to fit somewhere, but I feel that prototypically it would be further up the branch, or even the branch would be powered from the nearest main line substation.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: NeMo on December 27, 2013, 04:31:31 pm
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/MGalleryItem.php?id=[/url] 9060)
BR Class 73 'JA' Bo-Bo no.73 001 in BR Blue - lost a horn unit from the roof of this one (surprise!) - will visit the paint shop to be repainted into original green with grey stripe, and have detailing parts added.

Interested in adding detailing parts to my two 73s... where are you getting them from? What plans do you have to improve these models? I assume you're going to replace one of the bogie frames with the one with a NEM socket?

Thanks!

NeMo
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on December 27, 2013, 05:13:01 pm
Passenger rolling stock for Dunestone:

Farish were very helpful when numbering their Mark 1 vehicles in BR(SR) green - get the right ones and you can make up sets with very little work required - set and vehicle numbers are available on NGS/Modelmaster decal sheets ref. 2415 and 2403:

Mark 1 set 518 - BSK-CK-BSK: one of these was an 'old tooling' model so I replaced it with a renumbered 'new tooling' coach.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9067.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9067)

Mark 1 set 525 - BSK-CK-BSK (pre-June '62, identical to 518 above) or BSK-SO-CK-CK-SO-BSK (June '62 onwards, as pictured): all new tooling vehicles - second CK is a renumbered vehicle.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9068.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9068)

My problem set: set 560 - BSK-FK-FK-RFO-Pullman Bar 2nd-SO-BSK: the FKs should be Bulleid FKs (or a Mark 1 CK and a Bulleid FK, depending on which reference source you read) and the Pullman a Bulleid 3rd Kitchen Restaurant from a 290-series 6-set.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9069.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9069)

The new set, Bulleid 4-set 'N' no 83 - BSK-SK-CK-BSK: I am investigating using Crafty Computer Paper decal sheets and printing my own vehicle numbers to enable the correct numbers to be applied to the coaches - I already have the set numbers from Cambridge Custom Transfers sheet BL32.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9066.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9066)

Loose stock: 1x BCK, 1x BSK, 5x SK, 1x FO, 1x RMB Mark 1 in green, 1x CK Mark 1 in Red/Cream; 1x SO Bulleid in green; 1x BSK, 1x CK Bulleid in Red/Cream; 2x BTK, 3x SK mainline (old Farish coaches).
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on December 27, 2013, 05:24:44 pm
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9060.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9060[/url])
BR Class 73 'JA' Bo-Bo no.73 001 in BR Blue - lost a horn unit from the roof of this one (surprise!) - will visit the paint shop to be repainted into original green with grey stripe, and have detailing parts added.

Interested in adding detailing parts to my two 73s... where are you getting them from? What plans do you have to improve these models? I assume you're going to replace one of the bogie frames with the one with a NEM socket?

Thanks!

NeMo


Replacement air-horns from TPM available through the NGS shop (stock permitting) or Ultima - bogie sideframes with NEM pocket from Dapol via DCC Supplies - try and make the underframe equipment look a little less 'boxy'.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Bealman on December 28, 2013, 02:13:15 am
Looking forward to following progress on this one!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: CarriageShed on December 28, 2013, 02:48:48 pm
Dapol LSWR M7 class 0-4-4T no.37 in Southern green - bought 2nd hand from a fellow club member - this one will be making its way to the paint shop to be repainted into BR lined black, and possibly push-pull fitted.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/MGalleryItem.php?id=9050[/url])


Sacrilege! All it needs is some push-pull apparatus fitted and two Maunsell-green non-corridor coaches added and it would be perfect.;)

Good luck with the layout, despite the above. Looking forward to seeing your progress with it.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 28, 2013, 05:51:41 pm
Being a coastal location, one prototypical source of freight traffic would be dredged sand or rocks.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Bealman on December 29, 2013, 12:18:36 am
Yeah, even though I, too, am an entrenched BR 1950s-60s man, I do agree with Pete33's comments above. That is a nice looking paint scheme on that M7. Bit of a shame to remove it, really.  :(

George
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on December 29, 2013, 11:05:46 am
Dapol LSWR M7 class 0-4-4T no.37 in Southern green - bought 2nd hand from a fellow club member - this one will be making its way to the paint shop to be repainted into BR lined black, and possibly push-pull fitted.



Sacrilege! All it needs is some push-pull apparatus fitted and two Maunsell-green non-corridor coaches added and it would be perfect.;)

Good luck with the layout, despite the above. Looking forward to seeing your progress with it.
Yeah, even though I, too, am an entrenched BR 1950s-60s man, I do agree with Pete33's comments above. That is a nice looking paint scheme on that M7. Bit of a shame to remove it, really.  :(

George

Ok...  :idea:  What dates would the livery on the M7 be valid for? My credit card awaits with trepidation...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Bealman on December 29, 2013, 11:11:59 am
There are many folk on here more well-versed in railway history than I - but I am guessing maybe right on change-over time? Just after WWII?

But what there heck.... don't forget - there's always Rule 1.....

George :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: CarriageShed on December 29, 2013, 11:13:53 am
The M7 in SR Maunsell Green is valid right up until it received its BR paint job. That might have been in 1948, but it's just as possible that it was 1950 or even later. Locos didn't just switch paint schemes overnight because their ownership had changed. ;)

Initially only the numbering and ownership lettering would have been changed, and even then there are examples of locos carrying their Grouping lettering for at least a couple of years after Nationalisation.

Of course, for someone like me who's modelling 1930, Maunsell Green and No 37 is perfect, except that I already have No 37, so a second M7 would have to be renumbered.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 29, 2013, 11:18:28 am
Nationalisation of the railways happened in 1948 but some locos survived in their pre-BR liveries for some years after 1948. Certainly some WR locos carried GWR liveries into the 1960s. I don't think Southern Railway liveries lasted that long but you can always run a loco. in pre-Nationalisation livery, in the 1960s, as a preserved example. (Which is what I intend to do; fortunately there was a GWS outpost at the shed at Bodmin General nearby where my North Cornwall layout is set.) In the early 1960s BR management seems to have been more lenient about running privately preserved locos on its lines, at least on the WR.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Bealman on December 29, 2013, 11:26:04 am
There y'are, talisman56! Problem solved! Just put it alongside your new Bulleid green coaches and it'll fit right in there, buddy!  :thumbsup:

I was lucky enough to win the Dapol B1 in the NGF raffle last year, and it of course is in apple green LNER livery with whitewall wheels - but it is such a lovely model and a lovely runner that there is no way I woould think about a paint job on it. I will find an excuse to run it - even if it is Rule 1.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on December 29, 2013, 11:30:18 am
I've just had to catch my credit card to stop it running for the hills!

If the livery on the M7 is valid for 1932 to 1937 then I now have an excuse to get the new Brown/Cream Arnold 'Brighton Belle'... looks like at some point 'Dunestone' could have an alternate time period modelled.

First things first, get the electrics sorted out and 'complete' it for the current timeframe...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on December 29, 2013, 11:32:47 am
There y'are, talisman56! Problem solved! Just put it alongside your new Bulleid green coaches and it'll fit right in there, buddy!  :thumbsup:

I was lucky enough to win the Dapol B1 in the NGF raffle last year, and it of course is in apple green LNER livery with whitewall wheels - but it is such a lovely model and a lovely runner that there is no way I woould think about a paint job on it. I will find an excuse to run it - even if it is Rule 1.

I think it might be a little more accurate to put it alongside the Blood and Custard ones... back to the 50s as well?!?!?!
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Bealman on December 29, 2013, 11:38:00 am
Now ya talking, mate! I love blood & custard!  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on December 29, 2013, 09:03:05 pm
After spending most of the day with the layout in bits, sections upended and upside down trying to find the cause of a dead section, finally managed to find the problem. Previous owner has polyfilla'd the far left end of the layout, trying to make a standing area level with the tops of the rails, an area which includes two points. After much cleaning in and about the rails, blades, etc, have managed to get the section 'live' again, but the blade contact on one set of points in particular is very dodgy. Looks like I will have to replace those points and much of the trackwork in the area, removing the polyfilla in the process.

Also had a point on the main board which was not throwing (properly). When I restored the board to correct way up to try to resolve that issue, it had gone away. Must have been something in the way, which has now fallen out while the board was upside down...

Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 29, 2013, 09:23:27 pm
Moral of the story: don't use Polyfilla next to track! 8-(
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Bealman on December 30, 2013, 12:09:39 am
I have those two identical problems on my layout which is currently undergoing restoration. I too put Polyfilla between track in a timber yard, and it is nothing but a nuisance. I have SEVERAL points that will not throw - there's been a 20 year gap since they did - but the layout is pretty permanently attached to the garage walls and therefore can't be turned upside down!

For me it will be a matter of inspecting each point carefully, getting underneath (particularly unpleasant these days with advancing years) and jiggling point motors, etc. etc. However... labour of love!

George
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on December 30, 2013, 03:57:17 pm
Right, having found a problem with the trackwork due to polyfilla applied by the layout's previous owner (see posts above), it looks like I will have to completely reconstruct the left-hand board (the 'Exchange sidings').

Forget SCARM, AnyRail, etc, we'll get down and dirty on the layout...

This is what I'm faced with:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9114.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9114)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9115.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9115)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9117.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9117)

One thing that Dunestone does lack is any locomotive stabling/servicing facilities, so any reconstruction should include that. Ideally, I'd like to put it somewhere in this area, but it would block up the access to the quayside...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9116.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9116)

So, basically, this is what is intended. Left hand line is the quay storage siding, centre road gives access to loco shed, etc and is goods yard headshunt, and the right hand line is a private siding for an as-yet to be specified industry.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9113.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9113)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9111.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9111)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9112.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9112)

Any comments/suggestions?
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 02, 2014, 01:24:50 pm
For the private siding I'd go with a brewery.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Greybeema on January 02, 2014, 02:00:06 pm
Do you have the facility to run around the train in either in the station and propel it back into the works siding or fit a loop in so that the train loco is not trapped?
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Mr chapman on January 02, 2014, 03:40:13 pm
Looking good. You've got some nice stock there! Always good to see another southern layout :) Keep the updates coming :)
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on January 02, 2014, 05:54:42 pm
Do you have the facility to run around the train in either in the station and propel it back into the works siding or fit a loop in so that the train loco is not trapped?

The works/private siding is trailing to the entrance pointwork so the incoming train engine can propel back into there from the main station run-round loop. The new formation does include a small 'goods yard' run-round so that the shunting loco can get onto the right end of the wagons for any siding move.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on January 02, 2014, 07:04:57 pm
Been trying for a while to get a layout plan uploaded - you can't upload a 12 feet plan as a picture and still not need a magnifying glass to see it. So herewith a PDF of my SCARM plan, annotated. Load it up in Adobe or your own preferred PDF viewer and view at 200%...

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

I'll put another plan up later showing the proposed alterations.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 02, 2014, 07:10:34 pm
Been trying for a while to get a layout plan uploaded - you can't upload a 12 feet plan as a picture and still not need a magnifying glass to see it. So herewith a PDF of my SCARM plan, annotated. Load it up in Adobe or your own preferred PDF viewer and view at 200%...

I'll put another plan up later showing the proposed alterations.

Very nice to have so much space. That layout should have plenty of operating interest. Our periods overlap because I'm modelling 1960s steam / diesel BR SR and WR in North Cornwall and both stations are alongside the sea (well the estuary of the River Camel).

I don't have a thread, yet, but have uploaded my layout plans (visualisations and Anyrail track plans) for Cant Cove and Penmayne in the members' layout plans section.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on January 02, 2014, 08:14:14 pm
Another PDF, this time the proposed modifications to the left-hand end of the layout...

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 02, 2014, 09:29:20 pm
Very nice operating possibilities with this modification.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Bealman on January 03, 2014, 12:33:34 am
For the private siding I'd go with a brewery.
Absolutely. Go with the brewery.  :beers:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on April 26, 2014, 12:40:18 am
OK, had some spare time and an urge for destruction yesterday afternoon, so started the mods on the left-hand ('exchange sidings') board.

Just a reminder of what it looked like:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9041.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9041)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9114.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9114)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9115.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9115)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9117.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9117)

The whole area (grey painted and grassed) was covered with plaster/polyfilla, presumably in order to create a 'hard-standing' area at rail height. This has caused an intractible electrical issue in that locos would not run over those lines, or if they did, progress was slow and jerky...

So... out with the soldering iron, unsolder the dropper wires and get the scraper out!!!
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

After tidying up, was left with a completely blank board, keeping the three entrance roads as they are aligned with the centre board:
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...so I could plan what was to go onto it - per previous posts, the Metcalfe Brewery buildings are prominent, and the Peco turntable and a loco shed (not the one I'm using as an example) will be included to give "Dunestone" its missing loco facilities.
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The original trackwork was Code 80, the new works will be Code 55, as a start to eventually replacing all the trackwork with the finer-scale option.

Yes, I'll have to replace that backboard as well...

More progress imminently - hoping to get these mods and an adjustment to the main station entrance pointwork completed before the Yeovil meet in September.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Newportnobby on April 26, 2014, 03:14:04 am
Looking much better, and I bet you're pleased with the results :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 26, 2014, 09:24:29 am
A definite improvement. I look forward to your progress updates. I really don't see the need for Polyfilla for such use when cardboard and balsawood can be used to build up the surface and (partially) fill in the tracks for yards.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on April 26, 2014, 09:44:00 pm
A bit of playing around with the board, pointwork and track leads me to the following plan for the left board of "Dunestone".

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It fits into the rest of the layout as follows.

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Now to make a shopping list of the things I don't have....
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on April 28, 2014, 11:26:10 pm
More progress on the rebuild of the left board on "Dunestone":

Nice new coating of cork sheet.
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Got busy with the printer, SCARM layout print at 1:1 applied.
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Aerial view.
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Add the main buildings.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Dunestone_album/Dir_2/medium_12030.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12030)

From the centre board end.
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And a couple of trackside shots.
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Making sure I've got the right points.
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Next thing - cutting a hole for the turntable to sit in, and a bit of track laying...


Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Newportnobby on April 29, 2014, 02:52:13 am
Looks very good and well thought out.
Puts my branch line to shame :-[
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 29, 2014, 08:46:11 am
Making excellent progress.  :photospleasesign:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on April 29, 2014, 06:16:48 pm
They say if you're going to have second thoughts, better before anything serious is done...

I was determined to get road access to all the features on the board, and after a lot of shuffling about have done so. The revised plan is below, I'll be posting some pics later on...

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Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 29, 2014, 06:34:29 pm
My first comment and I'm by no means an expert on locoshed track layouts is that (from the photos I've studied of ex-LSWR sheds in North Cornwall and North Devon, throwing out the ash, taking on coal & water were all done on the line outside the shed. In some cases, e,g. Ilfracombe, there was a very short siding off the locoshed line for the wagon were the ash was shovelled in to be taken away for disposal. I'd use the line marked Coal/Water?ash for stabling locos. awaiting their next duty, etc. My second comment would be that, ideally, (and I know you've not got THAT much space) the brewery should have a goods in (loaded wagons for unloading with barley, malt, etc. and / or empty wagons at the loading bay)and a goods out (loaded wagons awaiting collection) siding. Otherwise, to me, it looks a fine plan with plenty of operating possibilities.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on April 29, 2014, 07:05:11 pm
Thanks for the comments Chris.

My thinking on the Loco shed is that it will be for the Branch engine and local shunters, and probably should have some of the facilities you mention on the line immediately outside the shed. The main facilities on the turntable road are for the visiting 'big engines', mainly to do with turning and watering, but with the facility to 'coal up' should it be necessary. The siding on the other side of the Coal/etc area will be occupied by a couple of loco coal wagons, leaving room for stabling a small/medium loco. With regard to the removal of the accumulated ash, it shouldn't be a big task to shunt a wagon onto one of the roads for a couple of hours so the task can be done. Gives one of the operators something to do... :)

As you say, I haven't got that much space, so the brewery is all on one road. ISTR a brewery site in a similar situation where the single road had a capstan at either end and the vans were rope shunted to get them to where they were required. Either that, or when the time comes for the brewery to be shunted, the vans are placed in the right spots by the shunter...

The Metcalfe kit obviously assumes that the incoming materials are in sacks rather than bulk loose grain (hence the sack hoists on two of the buildings), so I would assume that these would come in in 12T box vans, and the resulting beer in barrels would go out in the 12T vans when they were empty. Were there were special 12T box vans marked 'Ale Van' or are they a figment of Peco's imagination? If there were special vans, what made them special?
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: wookie on April 29, 2014, 07:18:42 pm
If there were special vans, what made them special?

Strong locks I would imagine  :o
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 29, 2014, 08:02:08 pm
https://www.model-railways-live.co.uk/Articles/227-13/Rolling_Stock/Freight_Only_-_Freight_stock_on_British_Railways/ (https://www.model-railways-live.co.uk/Articles/227-13/Rolling_Stock/Freight_Only_-_Freight_stock_on_British_Railways/)

Has examples of wagons used to carry beer.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on May 01, 2014, 01:50:49 am
Just a couple of shots showing progress to date.

Aerial shot showing latest trackplan and rough sketching of roadways, etc. The roads are intended as private access roads only so are not as wide as normal public roads...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Dunestone_album/Dir_2/medium_12069.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12069)

Bullet bitten, tracklaying has begun!! ...but only after a quick trip to the shop for a Code 55 'Y' point - I would have sworn on a stack of bibles I had one in stock...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Dunestone_album/Dir_2/medium_12070.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12070)

Just cutting to size and fitting together dry at the moment, once the track is sorted then the plan will be marked and used as a template for drilling holes for droppers and point motor rods. Then the plan will be removed before the track is reassembled and glued down.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Newportnobby on May 01, 2014, 02:44:48 am
No doubt the 'Y' point is in that "safe place" we all have but can't remember where it is, and will appear next time you are seeking something else :hmmm:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 01, 2014, 09:39:38 am
Thanks for the comments Chris.

My thinking on the Loco shed is that it will be for the Branch engine and local shunters, and probably should have some of the facilities you mention on the line immediately outside the shed. The main facilities on the turntable road are for the visiting 'big engines', mainly to do with turning and watering, but with the facility to 'coal up' should it be necessary. The siding on the other side of the Coal/etc area will be occupied by a couple of loco coal wagons, leaving room for stabling a small/medium loco. With regard to the removal of the accumulated ash, it shouldn't be a big task to shunt a wagon onto one of the roads for a couple of hours so the task can be done. Gives one of the operators something to do... :)

As you say, I haven't got that much space, so the brewery is all on one road. ISTR a brewery site in a similar situation where the single road had a capstan at either end and the vans were rope shunted to get them to where they were required. Either that, or when the time comes for the brewery to be shunted, the vans are placed in the right spots by the shunter...

The Metcalfe kit obviously assumes that the incoming materials are in sacks rather than bulk loose grain (hence the sack hoists on two of the buildings), so I would assume that these would come in in 12T box vans, and the resulting beer in barrels would go out in the 12T vans when they were empty. Were there were special 12T box vans marked 'Ale Van' or are they a figment of Peco's imagination? If there were special vans, what made them special?

Smaller, craft breweries still receive brewing materials in sacks (at least Czech ones do) and I'm pretty sure that would have been normal in the 1960s for a small classic tower brewery like the one the Metcalfe kit represents. So, yes, box vans for incoming sacks would be usual. For shipping the barrels / casks out as the link shows there were a variety of open and closed wagons used and even demountable tanks for a few bigger breweries. As the link shows and someone else posted a while back elsewhere on the forum, redundant meat vans were converted for use as 'ale vans'. (The meat vans being replaced by insulated containers on Conflats.) Having sold two spare meat vans i now have two left which I might convert to 'ale vans'. I'm not sure if the Peco 'ale vans' are prototypical. When the tube wagons come out, conversion to wagons for pallet loads of casks would be quite simple.

On my layout, the (off scene) Castle (Estate) Brewery will use standard open and closed wag but I also have some bulk grain wagons and at least one BR Bulk grain wagon may gain 'Castle Ales' branding! One pub, near Penmayne station, will winch up casks of Castle Ale from an open wagon on a siding below.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 01, 2014, 09:41:52 am
Just a couple of shots showing progress to date.

Aerial shot showing latest trackplan and rough sketching of roadways, etc. The roads are intended as private access roads only so are not as wide as normal public roads...


Bullet bitten, tracklaying has begun!! ...but only after a quick trip to the shop for a Code 55 'Y' point - I would have sworn on a stack of bibles I had one in stock...


Just cutting to size and fitting together dry at the moment, once the track is sorted then the plan will be marked and used as a template for drilling holes for droppers and point motor rods. Then the plan will be removed before the track is reassembled and glued down.

Looking good.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on May 09, 2014, 11:05:02 pm
Busy trackcutting and fettling...

Aerial shot showing completed formation
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View from the right, as from centre board
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View from the left end of layout
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Next, board cutting for the turntables - yes, plural turntables - the Brewery road has acquired a wagon turntable, which will probably be modelled in a disused condition...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Newportnobby on May 10, 2014, 02:02:44 am
I think it would be neat if the wagon turntable was operational in some form :hmmm:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 10, 2014, 05:59:32 am
Excellent progress. I look forward to seeing the next stages.

Wasn't there a working wagon turntable made by one of the German manufacturers, Arnold?

I'm only the mailing list of a Japanese model railway shop and they announced the new Katoa working turntable . . . several hundred dollars equivalent!
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on May 10, 2014, 08:05:39 am

I'm only the mailing list of a Japanese model railway shop and they announced the new Katoa working turntable . . . several hundred dollars equivalent!

I'm afraid my 6.45 Peco turntable kit and manual 'Meccano' drive will have to do...   :P   :)
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 10, 2014, 08:37:43 am

I'm only the mailing list of a Japanese model railway shop and they announced the new Katoa working turntable . . . several hundred dollars equivalent!

I'm afraid my 6.45 Peco turntable kit and manual 'Meccano' drive will have to do...   :P   :)

I already have my Peco turntable kit (for the distant future Penmayne layout, bought at a very good price, on eBay, last year) but will be buying the motorising kit which, while expensive, is still rather cheaper than buying the Kato motorised turntable excellent though I'm sure it is!
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on May 21, 2014, 09:37:35 pm
A couple of quick shots - we have holes in the baseboard!

This one for the main loco turntable - A bit of additional strengthening needs to go in before everything is stuck down as I seem to have cut through two of the minor longtitudinal bearers when cutting the hole...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12565.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12565)

And one for the wagon turntable in the Brewery yard - the hole is a bit on the small side and is a snug fit for the boss on the underside of the mounting plate :) - will still stick it down, though...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12566.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12566)

Some wood purchasing and fettling next. The loco turntable is all done - apart from the railings on the turning bit. Just awaiting the delivery of the turning mechanism for the underside.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 21, 2014, 09:44:40 pm
Looking good. I'm really looking forward to seeing your working SR turntable as I will have to make one (in the distant future) for Penmayne from a Peco kit I've bought. (I have no plans to buy the motorising kit, yet, though.)
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Mr chapman on May 23, 2014, 03:56:01 pm
Layouts looking great. I'll be very interested in the turntable mods.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on June 03, 2014, 07:01:15 pm
Got some tracklaying done today...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12867.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12867)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12869.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12869)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12870.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12870)

...but it came to a halt because of lack of materials...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12871.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12871)

More to come once some more PL-82s purchased...

... and for the person who posted a question as to how/whether the 'loose' sleepers were used...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12872.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12872)
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 03, 2014, 07:13:34 pm
Thanks. Glad to see you making steady progress. I have bought plenty of spare sleepers and guessed that was their purpose after seeing so many pictures of layouts under construction with sleeperless track ends.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on June 09, 2014, 11:14:30 pm
More tracklaying...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/thumb_13075.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13075)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/thumb_13076.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13076)

The wagon turntable on the Brewery siding will be modelled in derelict condition - it's only big enough to turn a 9' wb wagon, and all my box vans are 10' wb...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on June 10, 2014, 03:10:29 pm
Today's project: motorising the turntable...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/thumb_13103.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13103)

Motor and bits are a Turntable Drive TTDN from Frizinghall Models and Railways.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 10, 2014, 03:36:56 pm
Now this I'm really looking forward to as, some day, when i build Penmayne, I will have to do this, too. (I already have the Peco turntable but that's all.)
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on June 10, 2014, 06:43:50 pm
Now the turntable is in place, can finish tracklaying...  :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/thumb_13110.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13110)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/thumb_13109.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13109)

Just one little bit to tack down, when I find the rest of my styrene sheet so I can pad it up to turntable level...

Now the 'interesting' bit - point motor fitting and wiring up below the baseboard.  :uneasy:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on July 27, 2014, 01:29:28 am
Back to work on the layout after holiday and a hectic time otherwise.

Had to relay a couple of pieces as a bit of work on the back of an envelope said I needed to add a couple more section breaks otherwise I'd have locos moving about the loco depot when I didn't want them to...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14250.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14250)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14251.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14251)
You will note the dropper wires awaiting soldering onto the relevant trackwork.

A look at the underside of the board, all the droppers and other cabling that needs to be kept is (not-so-)neatly labelled. The rest will be cut back and some of the wires reused on the new works, particularly the red/black twisted supply wires.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14252.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14252)

One of the reasons that the original points were not changing properly... one SEEP PM1 with badly corroded operating rod (the other half is stuck in the tie rod of the point that was removed from the top of the baseboard).
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14254.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14254)

A bit of a  :doh: moment... I thought that it was luck that I had 34 tags available on this board - until quite a while after I noticed how many wires are present on the inter-board cable socket...  :dunce:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14253.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14253)

So a quick call to Railroom Electronics resulted in a couple of these arriving in the post...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14255.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14255)

1.30am, probably cool enough for me to get the soldering iron hot now... more tomorrow.

Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Bealman on July 27, 2014, 02:37:55 am
Excellent stuff.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 27, 2014, 09:36:58 am
Many thanks for the update. Please, keep them coming. I am very impressed by (and envious of) your neat wiring.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on August 01, 2014, 10:17:21 pm
Finally got to doing some soldering today...

The dropper wires are all soldered onto the track:

Overall view
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14444.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14444)

The Loco and PW yard area
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14445.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14445)

The end of the run-round loop and Brewery siding
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14446.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14446)

Have removed all the old wiring no longer required from the underside, hacked away clearances for the point motors and repositioned the original socket and tag board for the inter-board umbilical cable. When I've installed the new socket and tag board for the new stuff I'll update you with more loverly photos...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 03, 2014, 12:02:04 pm
Excellent progress. More  :photospleasesign:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Bigric on August 03, 2014, 12:31:31 pm
Just been all the way through this thread . VERY impressed with how NEAT & TIDY everything has become......from the full size plan to the track laying . Nice one ! Cheers , Ric
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Mr chapman on August 03, 2014, 09:24:04 pm
Not seen it come up yet sooo...
I'm really liking the small wagon turntable. How did you make it? Will you be feeding rails into it or will this siding be purely scenic?
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on August 04, 2014, 12:12:20 am
Not seen it come up yet sooo...
I'm really liking the small wagon turntable. How did you make it? Will you be feeding rails into it or will this siding be purely scenic?

It's a Peco OO9 turntable - it's too short to turn 10' WB vans, so it's going to be modelled in a derelict condition, and the track at right angle to the main siding likewise...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: EtchedPixels on August 05, 2014, 11:29:48 am
One of the reasons the small clay wagons stayed 9' wheelbase until the end was wagon turntables that size that nobody wanted to replace.

So prototypically a wagon turntable only big enough for 9' wagons is just about ok into the 1980s!
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Tim.hynd on August 05, 2014, 01:13:37 pm
Just seen your photo of the D Type connector board and have just wooped with joy as I can now cut down 100+ soldered joints. Purchased and looking forward to my job becoming easier!  :D

Layout starting to take shape now! Keep up the good work!  :bounce:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on August 17, 2014, 10:34:15 pm
Mucho slaving over a hot soldering iron today, tidying up existing wiring and adding new for the extra sections and points on the revamped board.

Overall view:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_14939.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14939)

Right:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_14940.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14940)

Middle:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_14941.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14941)

Left:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_14942.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14942)
Yes, the lash-up in the bottom left corner is temporary unil I know the turntable actually works properly...  :)

Next: point motor installation and more cabling, dependent on the arrival of a spool of grey wire...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Newportnobby on August 18, 2014, 10:24:51 am
 :doh:
That is just soooo neat :'(
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Bealman on August 18, 2014, 11:13:51 am
Brilliant.

As an ex-schoolteacher, I can safely announce that your wiring is neater than a lot of handwriting I've had to put up with over the years.

Now if I can start seeing a novel in your wiring.... please ring the ambulance...  ;D

Seriously, great work.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

George

Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on August 20, 2014, 11:42:48 pm
More progress over the past couple of days, point motors have been installed! and a few more wires added, and in a couple of cases, rerouted. Amazing what shortcomings in the wiring plan half-an-hour doodling on a bit of paper exposes - especially when the isolating sections in the loco yard are concerned...

In-progress shots of the point motor installation: the point motors are Seep PM-1s, and they must be installed with the point blades and motor in the mid-position of the 'throw'. So an offcut of wire can be used to hold the blades just so
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15050.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15050)

...and an old mounting block is just the right size to hold the actuating rod in place
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15051.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15051)

Another overall view of the underside of this baseboard
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15044.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15044)
Only when looking at this, having downloaded it onto the computer, did I realise that not only has the isolating section wiring not been installed (I knew that - the cable is arriving in the post tomorrow) but I haven't run the control wiring for the turntable motor  :doh:. Something to add to the list for tomorrow.

Detail of the centre of the board, showing the point motors...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15045.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15045)

Having thought I'd finished with the left board, for now, I spent a little bit of time on the right board, which has the station, goods yard and harbour on it. An overall view of this board
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15046.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15046)
Island platform for the station at the back, two goods yard roads in the centre, and the quayside line at the front, with the dropped board section which will be the harbour itself. The red box highlights a missing section of the retaining wall, having looked at the back of the wall sections (I had to reglue the very right hand double section back on) there is no makers details. If anyone can recognise the design and give me a pointer as to where they can be obtained, I'd be eternally grateful...

Added the missing section of the quay line - had to dust off a couple of decent bits of Code 80 track for this.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15047.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15047)

Closer look at the station platform, I've added an isolating section at the end of the bay platform, the break is just to the left of the 16T wagon
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15048.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15048)

And a picture of the recently loaded-up 16T wagons
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15049.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15049)
You can try to spot the odd one out, but no prizes...  :)

The wiring on this board is a lot simpler... just one extra wire to run and that's that for now. In the fullness of time I'll get round to splitting up the two long goods yard roads into several shorter sidings to break up the 'straight line' effect.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15052.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15052)

Just a few odd bits to complete, then onto the centre board, to get the new wiring back to the control panel...


Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: daveg on August 21, 2014, 07:59:52 am
That is one neat installation!

Dave G
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Caz on August 21, 2014, 08:29:36 am
Really nice informative pictures, thanks for posting, love the tip about centralising the PM1 actuating pin, never thought of that.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 21, 2014, 10:44:30 am
Superb wiring; very humbling.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: port perran on August 21, 2014, 03:45:55 pm
Great wiring job and looks like the beginnings of a cracking layout.
Makes my own wiring look very................untidy and amateurish !!
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on August 29, 2014, 01:51:25 am
With the wiring mods on the end boards complete, now to the centre board. This one has the main electrics underneath it, and the connections to the control panel.

General view of topside
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15248.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15248)

General view of underside
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15249.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15249)

Additions to the left side which match the additions on the left board, where all the changes have been made.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15250.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15250)

Detail shot showing the new connector board
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15252.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15252)

...and all the wires lead back to this little addition, awaiting a cable to connect it to the control panel.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15251.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15251)
Pity my woodworking skills are not up to those of the original owner of the layout.  :-[

Next, into the unknown - opening up the control panel box for the final changes to be done...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Bealman on August 29, 2014, 02:04:45 am
Brilliant work. Sorta reminds me of that remark you would hear every now and then "He should exhibit it upside down"  ;D

Seriously, great work. Please keep us posted!  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 29, 2014, 07:36:10 am
I am in awe of your excellent wiring. Please, keep the pictures of the layout coming.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Newportnobby on August 29, 2014, 10:17:16 am
Super neat wiring loom :admiration:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on August 30, 2014, 12:53:10 am
Opened up the control panel box - looks pretty simple inside...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15264.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15264)
Spot the reason why one of the sections didn't work... I didn't think it was only happening on one of the controllers  :doh:

I thought I'd taken a 'before' photo of the top, but alas, no. Here's a picture with all the changes made - on the right-hand side, and the very bottom left.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15265.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15265)
A few extra switches and point operating studs added - and a few holes to fill in...

Added the plug on the right to match the one fitted to the centre baseboard - the new points and section wiring comes in here
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15267.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15267)
My woodworking seems to have improved somewhat...  ::)

Progress so far on wiring up the inside
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15266.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15266)
Had to give up this evening when I started getting cross-eyed...

Another bash tomorrow, when hopefully I'll get the wiring inside the control panel finished and be able to get a bit of testing in...


Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Bealman on August 30, 2014, 01:00:17 am
Continuing to look good. Like the way your wiring has right angle turns. Definitely keeps it neat.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 30, 2014, 06:33:37 am
I hope the testing goes well and you'll be able to run some of your trains very soon!
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on September 04, 2014, 03:29:53 am
The electrical work has finished, much to the joy of Mrs Talisman who has a mild dislike of the smell of a hot soldering iron...

The inside of the control panel
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15496.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15496)

... and the outside, annotated for the unfamiliar operator, of which there might be a few at the weekend
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15497.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15497)
I'm not too fussed about any permanent damage to the control panel box as I will probably be replacing it when I have the full set of layout changes done, anyway.

An overall view of the finished left-hand board
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15493.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15493)

...and detail of the turntable end, with the item that prevents the loco falling off the end of the turntable bridge
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15494.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15494)
A few more of these will be needed on the other visible sidings throughout the layout before long...

And how the stock in the fiddle yard will be stopped from an inglorious and possibly fatal descent to the floor
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15495.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15495)

With fingers well and truly crossed, set up the centre board and left-hand board in 'test' mode to see if the point activation was OK. Found that two of the points were transposed, and had to swap them over under the board - thank goodness for screw terminal blocks. Then had to swap the actuating wires on one of those and the other single point so that they worked in the same way as requested from the control panel. The crossover, happily, worked perfectly first time, otherwise I'd've had to get the soldering iron out again...

Tried operating the turntable, the selection switch on the control panel worked OK, but the on-board action is a bit ropey and noisy, so a bit of fettling will be required on that.

Next thing is to set the layout up again in the garage and try running a loco or few on the new section...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Bealman on September 04, 2014, 05:36:06 am
Continuing apace. Thanks for the update!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 04, 2014, 06:31:51 am
Excellent progress. Please, keep the updates coming.  :photospleasesign:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Buzzard on September 04, 2014, 07:11:32 am
Looking forward to seeing the layout on Saturday.

Nigel
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on September 04, 2014, 08:40:49 am
Looking forward to seeing the layout on Saturday.

Nigel

Looking forward to being there...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on September 05, 2014, 08:33:22 am
Burnt the midnight oil last night to iron out the electrical howlers, one section had a short, another wasn't getting power at all, and I had transposed the wiring to two of the isolating switches.

The first and last were easily resolved, the middle one was a puzzler until I found an annotated copy of the centre board wiring diagram amongst the paperwork given to me by the previous owner, which revealed the power supply to that section in its former arrangement was provided on two separate wires on the supply tagboard. A little jumper wire soldering later fixed that, or so I thought - another short!!

Spent a good 3/4 of an hour tracing wires here, there and everywhere until I took a step back and had a couple of fingers of Edradour. When I went back to the board, the answer was immediately obvious - I needed to swap two wires on a point motor...

Quick reassemble to the rest of the layout, and grab the first loco that came to hand. Thus the Union Mills 'Black Motor' 30325 became the first loco to traverse the whole of the layout in its new formation.   :laugh3: :bounce:  :claphappy: I'll put up some pics later (and a video, if I have a chance to investigate the motion picture capabilities of my camera).
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 05, 2014, 08:57:53 am
Excellent news. I look forward to  :photospleasesign: and, maybe, a video of your Union Mills 'Black Motor' 30325 traversing the whole of the layout in its new formation. A Union Mills 'Black Motor' is on my future to buy list as they could have been seen in North Cornwall in the early 1960s. What's been your experience with your 'Black Motor', please?
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on September 05, 2014, 11:18:25 am
The 'Black Motor' is a really quiet, smooth running beast. Slow running is great on clean track, and I've had it hauling 45 wagons on the club's test layout. Recommended, as is the Adams '0395', and the 'T9', of which I have two...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 05, 2014, 05:21:55 pm
Thanks for the feedback about your "Black Motor". Martin (Port Perran and Trepol Bay) is also very pleased with his T9 which I want to buy, first, but, next year as I already have a lot of locos. awaiting DCC fitting. I hope Union Mills locos can be DCC converted? I'm guessing so.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on September 05, 2014, 06:13:58 pm
As promised, and awaited by Chris in Prague, a photo tour around "Dunestone" with 'Black Motor' 30325.

One issue is that I have yet to upgrade the lighting in the garage where the layout is, and as a result, photo taking is a bit of a hit-and-miss affair. In the end I had to resort to auto, flash and taking several pictures and choosing the best one - I have a few things to do before tomorrow...

30325 and her train lurking in the fiddle yard ready for action
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15546.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15546)

Entering the station and heading for the bay platform
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15529.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15529)

Arrived safely...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15530.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15530)

Shunt set 518 back into the branch carriage siding - once the buffer stop is in situ then it will only be long enough for a pull-push set (and loco) or a 57' three-set.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15531.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15531)

We can get to the far end of the Brewery siding
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15533.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15533)

The goods yard sidings
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15534.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15534)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15535.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15535)

The quayside siding
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15536.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15536)

The quay storage siding
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15537.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15537)

The PW siding
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15538.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15538)

The siding for the loco coal wagons
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15539.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15539)

30325 on the turntable...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15540.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15540)

...and where the loco shed will be
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15541.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15541)

One last thing to do, get the coaches again and visit the main platform road to run round
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15542.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15542)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15532.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15532)

Pick up the train again
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15543.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15543)

...and depart for a destination unknown...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15544.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15544)

I need to a bit of adjustment on the turntable mechanism, so no progress on that yet...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 05, 2014, 06:24:32 pm
Thank you very much for that excellent series of photos. Your layout is coming on very nicely indeed.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: smileyjon on September 05, 2014, 07:10:29 pm
Nice photo set.  Looking good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on November 17, 2014, 01:39:10 am
Sorted out the turntable mechanism today - trying and succeeding, to a certain extent - in reducing the noise it makes and making it smoother in operation.

From below the baseboard
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/36/thumb_18715.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=18715)

...and above.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/36/thumb_18716.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=18716)

Also started ballasting (shudder)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/36/thumb_18714.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=18714)

And finalising the layout of the Brewery buildings
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/36/thumb_18713.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=18713)



Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 17, 2014, 09:20:08 am
Excellent progress. Thanks for the photos. Getting the Peco turntable to work electrically satisfactorily is certainly a major achievement and something I will have to do (in the distant future) for Penmayne, too. The brewery looks excellent and will, doubtless, generate a lot of van traffic in and out. 8-)
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Mr chapman on November 17, 2014, 05:24:39 pm
Nice work :) The 700 looks lovely and right at home on Dunestone. Where you shunted the coaches, could the buffers not be mounted on the wall? Then you could retain the length. Top job :) Bring on more updates!
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 17, 2014, 05:30:19 pm
Wall-mounted buffers could be a good solution. I have often seen them at the end of bay platforms.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on November 17, 2014, 06:05:07 pm
Nice work :) The 700 looks lovely and right at home on Dunestone. Where you shunted the coaches, could the buffers not be mounted on the wall? Then you could retain the length. Top job :) Bring on more updates!

Once I've done the Loco Yard/Brewery board then I have a major relaying proposal for the main station throat - including providing a single slip and connection to the main platform so I can institute 'right-road' running for trains entering the station. At the moment trains for the main platform and run-round loop/good reception-departure road have to run 'wrong-road' through the tunnel. As the new trackwork will be Code 55 (with its different geometry to the Code 80 in situ) then the length of the storage siding will change and I will be able to get a Bulleid/Mark 1 three-set in...  :)  In the mean time I can live with the restriction.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on December 06, 2014, 02:44:30 am
In the absence of receipt of a ballasting tool (I'll post separately about this), doing mock-ups of the arrangement of the station building area and changes to the station platforms.

The built-up area for the station building, with Bus/Taxi area out front. I've determined that the roadway needs to be about 25% wider in the final build, with a curved section on the right-hand ("down") ramp:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19245.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19245)

With the station building in-situ. Farish Scenecraft Art-Deco station building, I've gone for this one as will be applicable to any era 1930s to 1970s without changes, whereas a more traditional building will certainly have been updated more as that time period goes on...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19246.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19246)

The station building from the platform side:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19247.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19247)

The extension of Platform 1, leaving Platform 2 its original length. I'll need to either replace the retaining wall or repaint some sections as it looks like a mixture of stone and red brick. If I retain the stone platforms it'll mean repainting the red brick sections, even though there are more of them:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19248.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19248)

The Platform 1 extension on the centre board. The length of the platform will mean I can get a tender loco + 5-car train in and still enable running round; a longer train will mean a shunt movement or pilot loco removing the coaches to release the train engine:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19252.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19252)

A 6-car train in the platform:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19249.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19249)

...and the other end. I've shuffled up the retaining wall sections along the back of the layout to fill a gap which was at the point marked by the red box. This has left a gap at the other end which will be a roadway leading into the main station square and low-relief buildings:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19250.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19250)

The station building end with train in platform:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19251.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19251)

Finally the main station entry with the next major modification marked out. This will mean that trains entering the station will run 'right road':
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19253.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19253)
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: MinZaPint on December 06, 2014, 02:22:49 pm
Good to see the layout coming along, have enjoyed following your progress since seeing Dunstone at Yeovil  :beers: David
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: port perran on December 06, 2014, 02:36:22 pm
Glad to see that things are progressing.
Will be watching this one as it develops.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 06, 2014, 02:55:11 pm
Nice to see good progress. The new track layout will enhance operations.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on December 30, 2014, 09:07:52 pm
A bit parky in the garage for any layout work to be done, so a bit of playing trains rolling stock testing:

Overall view of station area - extended Platform 1 and new station building, and started work on the Quay road hard standing.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19979.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19979)

Pullman trains in the station - 'Brighton Belle' in platform 2, T9 30300 brings a Pullman service into platform 1.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19977.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19977)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19981.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19981)

Class 22 D6324 waits for the road with a Milk train for the Capital
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19978.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19978)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19980.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19980)
Yes I know, needs a brake vehicle...  :-[
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: port perran on December 30, 2014, 09:29:41 pm
Great train formations. Have fun!
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on April 10, 2015, 04:15:43 pm
Quite a while since last update, nothing much to report as it's been a bit cold in the garage... must be something to do with 'Winter'.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9060.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9060)

I did send a loco (above) off to Ian at Mercig Studios to be reliveried/weathered, it returned today and was immediately put on a short Engineers train...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/thumb_23830.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23830)

A closer look at E6004:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/thumb_23831.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23831)

An excellent job, pity the photography doesn't really bring that out...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Newportnobby on April 10, 2015, 09:06:44 pm
Nice - that's how I remember them. In green :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 12, 2015, 04:08:55 pm
Can we have an update, please.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on October 13, 2015, 02:14:54 pm
Can we have an update, please.

I'd give you an update if there was one, Chris. RL has been doing nasty things this summer and unfortunately the layout has had to take a bit of a back seat. However, I'll need to get things moving now as I was approached by the N&DMRC exhibition manager as to whether it would be ready for the 2017 exhibition  :goggleeyes: - nothing like that sort of encouragement to get ones modelling urge going again...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 13, 2015, 05:02:53 pm
Thanks for your reply. I'm sorry that you've not been able to work on your excellent layout recently but I hope you'll be able to resume work very soon. It's very good news that you've been invited to attend an exhibition with Dunestone.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 07, 2015, 09:11:17 pm
Should the railway enthusiasts at Dunestone wish to travel to North Cornwall to enjoy the programme of Christmas Season Special trains as I also have D6577 and plenty of the latest standard BR SR Green BR Standard and Bulleid design coaches, a through train could be run, next month? 8-)
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on February 26, 2016, 05:42:22 pm
I'm back! Sort-of...

Well, 2015 was a bust where railway modelling was concerned, due to a combination of family business and illness, the latter mostly my father (84 and still going...) but also a couple of bouts for me as well (apparently I'm getting on a bit now, according to the other half :( ). Recently I've been sorting out the electrics for the Club N-Gauge Layout currently under construction, so that didn't help my own layout, either...

Having had some rare free time, I've been able to take stock of where I am with the layout and make a list of things I've still to do, viz:

1) Find a name for the layout I'm really happy with - I think I did mention in the very early days of getting the layout that I wasn't really comfortable with the layout as it is currently named, but in the absence of any inspiration at the time had accepted the current name for the time being.
2) Finish off the remodelled 'left' board - ballasting and other track work, scenery, buildings, etc.
3) Remodel the station approach pointwork to eliminate 'wrong road' working for passenger trains going into the main platform (no.1).
4) Rebuild the station platforms, station building area and car park/approach roads according to the cardboard mock-ups currently on the layout.
5) Finish off the quayside area - harbour walls, water, ships/boats, quayside inset trackwork and surfacing.
6) Develop the 'town square' area on the end of the 'right' board.

Now I've seen that list, I'm off to find the 'eek!' smiley... or perhaps this one will do:  :o

Hopefully more soon...

Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on February 26, 2016, 06:26:58 pm
I'm in a creative mood, so let's get Item no.1 on the list in the previous post sorted.

Inspired by the 'Map of Layout Locations?' topic, I've been searching for a location for 'Dunestone' (let's call it that for the time being), and also trying to invent a 'back history' to justify its existence.

Looking at the stock roster, apart from the BR standards and SR stock, I've got mainly LSWR- and LBSC-originated locos, so I'm looking for somewhere where those companies stock could legitimately be seen together, and be on the coast, leading to somewhere between Southampton and Portsmouth as a likely location.

Half-an-hour later, and I've invented an imaginary branch from the Eastleigh-Fareham line, south towards the coast, going over/under the St. Denys (Southampton)-Fareham line and ending up on the eastern bank of the River Hamble near Warsash. The harbour was developed as a fishing port and to bring in the smaller stuff that Southampton or Portsmouth couldn't be bothered with. As usual when railways appear, the town developed and now has a quite healthy summer tourist trade, mainly due to the seasonal ferries to the Isle of Wight. A junction facing Eastleigh would enable direct access to the LSWR main line to London, make it a triangle and then access towards Portsmouth and the coast line to Brighton, and the Portsmouth Direct line at Havant. Alternatively the same could be achieved with a south to east chord where the St. Denys line is crossed, but I was originally intending a south to west chord to enable access west via Southampton in the absence of a suitable southbound connection at Eastleigh.

A name? - Can't really use Hambledon...
Hambleport? Hamble Harbour? Bother - I'll get back to you on that...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: cjdodd on February 26, 2016, 07:39:28 pm
Good to see you back, and hopefully to full health.

I'm going to throw Hambleside Warf into the mix for a name.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Newportnobby on February 26, 2016, 09:01:14 pm
Glad to hear from you again although your list of what needs doing is a little daunting :worried:
I dare not even compose such a list until I know I can even attempt to do anything on the layout(s)
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: port perran on February 26, 2016, 09:54:17 pm
Good to have you back aboard.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on February 26, 2016, 11:44:35 pm
From OpenStreetMaps - in the period I'm doing the M27 doesn't exist, but the Hamble Branch looks like this...

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Greybeema on February 27, 2016, 09:11:56 am
There was planned link from just west of Southampton to go through a tunnel and connect with the Isle of Wight - Brockenhurst through the New Forrest.  Now that would make a nice line to model...
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 27, 2016, 03:58:21 pm
Welcome back. As long as you're modelling BR SR and cover the 1960s period with both BR SR steam and diesel, you'll still be very welcome to run some 'through' enthusiast specials when ready. 8-) It looks like your branch will be an attractive destination.
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on February 27, 2016, 08:08:07 pm
I've spent a while fleshing out the history of the 'Hamble Branch' today, and refining the location of the terminus station.

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

"The Botley and Hamble Railway was a relative latecomer to the area, borne of the frustration of the local merchants and entrepreneurs with the ports of Southampton and Portsmouth concentrating on their own local businesses, and international imports/exports. From a triangular junction between Hedge End and Botley stations on the Eastleigh-Fareham line, it went in a generally southerly direction to a passenger terminus and dockside on the east bank of the Hamble river close to Warsash, with intermediate stations at Botley High Street, Swanwick and Sarisbury Green. A south to west chord to the Fareham-St. Denys line was included to provide a direct route to Southampton and the West Country. Late representations by the residents of Hamble-le-Rice, frustrated by a lack of a direct service to London, resulted in the construction of a 'station' on the west bank and a connecting Ferry service to the railway station. As a result, the main station was named 'Hambleside East', and the Ferry station 'Hambleside West'. Later, the popularity of the Isle of Wight for Summer Holidays saw the establishment of a summer passenger ferry to ease the overcrowding on other routes to the island.

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

"From the outset, both the LSWR and LBSCR saw both potential and trouble in the new branch line, and after many months protracted discussion between themselves and the directors of the line, agreed to form a joint operating company to run the train services on the line when it was completed. After this initial period of uncertainty, the services settled down to local trains to Eastleigh and Portsmouth via the main line and an intermittent service to Southampton via the St. Denys line, as there is a station on that line which the residents of Hamble-le-Rice can use which is a shorter and quicker alternative. Fast services to London via Eastleigh were run directly in peak hours and by attaching coaches to Southampton-London services off-peak.

"The line was officially subsumed into the new Southern Railway in 1923, and saw a boom in Summer services between the wars as the area around the terminus station was developed into both a commuter town and holiday resort, as well as the staging point for the Isle of Wight. As part of this, the station buildings were enlarged and rebuilt, resulting in a brand-new Art-Deco station building which still exists today. The other railway companies also saw some potential as Summer Saturday services from the GWR and LMS, mainly via the Berks and Hants line, were also introduced. Electrification came to the area just before WWII as the main line was electrified to enable electric trains to run to the newly-established construction and maintenance depot at Eastleigh. The branch was also electrified and the local services to Portsmouth converted to EMU operation, but the other local trains and the London services remained steam-hauled.

"With Nationalisation in 1948 came a new owner and rebranding, but the branch soldiered on relatively unchanged into the 60s. Competition from other transport modes saw the reduction in Summer services and these are now only to be seen in high summer. Local services are still the same, but the steam services are gradually being replaced by diesel, when the new-fangled devices become available. The good Doctor also cast his eye over the branch as part of his comprehensive review of British Railways, but the buoyant commuter services caused him to look elsewhere for savings. The recent proposals for the south coast motorway may have something to say in the matter, but for now, things are looking good."

Extract from 'History of the Railways of Hampshire', pub. 1965.
Title: Re: Dunestone - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 27, 2016, 08:20:14 pm
Thanks for the maps (I love maps) and the excellent and highly believable history. Very good to know that it is convenient for trains to / from the West Country.
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: gc4946 on February 27, 2016, 09:18:22 pm
Maybe name the station Hambleside East and Warsash since it's actually located in Warsash.

Following station naming conventions, supplementary phrases such as "and Warsash" would have been appended to name boards during the pre-BR blue era.
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on February 27, 2016, 10:22:47 pm
Maybe name the station Hambleside East and Warsash since it's actually located in Warsash.

Following station naming conventions, supplementary phrases such as "and Warsash" would have been appended to name boards during the pre-BR blue era.

Technically correct, but that'll be a bit of a mouthful for Exhibitions and signage for the layout itself - The station was built just outside Warsash and I'll assume that Warsash was subsumed into the 'Hambleside' that developed around the railway station. I'm just imagining a station 'running in' board as long as that one in Anglesey... :)

Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 27, 2016, 11:12:32 pm
 :hellosign: Many thanks for the up-dates all looks good to me
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Pete Smith on February 28, 2016, 02:42:21 pm
Would be nice to bring the maritime acadamy into the back story
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on February 28, 2016, 03:36:16 pm
Would be nice to bring the maritime acadamy into the back story

I'd been looking around for possible users of the station, and had identified the Chemical Works of 1864-82 as one of the local business that prompted the building of the line, but not yet got to the mid-20th Century - good potential for special Service trains for new classes, etc there, thanks for the heads-up...
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 28, 2016, 03:47:29 pm
The Chemical Works would, in the nineteenth century, at least, almost certainly have had its own PO liveried wagons, such as tank wagons?
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Pete Smith on February 28, 2016, 03:51:29 pm
Also bird watchers as your station is in the middle of the nature reserve ;-)

The aircraft factory over the river could send out part built aircraft components for completion at other factories but more likely to use the adjacent station and not require the use of the ferry.

Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: GScaleBruce on February 28, 2016, 06:42:51 pm
Enjoying the back story. You wouldn't get much freight on the Warsash Ferry, so a line down that side of the estuary would have been even more valuable...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cYM8fizYSjM/VtM-xtp7NhI/AAAAAAAAHYo/NQKBgJH4JNM/s800-Ic42/1981%252520Soton%25252003%252520Warsash%252520%252528Medium%252529.jpg)
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Pete Smith on February 29, 2016, 11:34:49 am
S Joyce and Son Boat builders started producing motor tenders at Warsash in the 1920's; with the coming of the 2nd world war and the RAFs need for high speed rescue boats they were ideally placed to full-fill this demand. The companies previous limited use of the railway increased with Napier Sea Lion engines arriving from Lincoln and timber arriving from across the country; propellers, driveshafts and other oily bits arrived from Young's propellers in Woolston, Southampton.

In the post war period the company resumed manufacturing high speed launches, demand was much lower and the company struggled for a while until the demand for luxury products increased in the 50s and 60s. For a time it supplied and serviced the vessels used on a high speed passenger service to East Cowes from Hambleside quay. But it was for the luxury launches that the company became known and duly prospered, although rivalry was fierce with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riva_Aquarama amongst others.

(the company's relationship with Napier was well cemented in the second world war but initial plans to use the company's baby deltic engine in a top-of-the-range 100ft launch did not come to fruition due, in part, to reliability concerns raised by SJSBB's chief engineer/naval architect, George Braithwaite CEng, FRINA, FIMechE.)

Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on February 29, 2016, 12:03:39 pm
Does anybody do baby deltic engines in N scale? :)
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Pete Smith on February 29, 2016, 12:28:37 pm
Does anybody do baby deltic engines in N scale? :)

Class 23s - i dont believe so (although resin shells are available), but their absence is explained (not considering the the whole region thing and scarcity) as Napier/EE sent a Class 23 special to demonstrate the baby deltic engine fitted therein,  it unfortunately blowing a cylinder liner just outside Eastleigh, causing chaos for the Soton/London commuters and considering George Braithwaite CEng, FRINA, FIMechE, Chief Engineer/Naval Architect of SJSBB, was in the cab, the demise of the 100ft luxury launch, 'Julia', half-penned on his drawing board.
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 29, 2016, 12:35:50 pm
I'm liking this highly detailed and believable back story more and more! 8-) Sylvia's 'beau', Jeremy, the dashing naval captain (a VERY frequent guest at Trevelver Castle, near Cant Cove, Cornwall, and often to be found conversing in her father's study with Lord Trevelver and the Head Butler, for unknown reasons) might well have been involved in testing high-speed naval launches for undisclosed purposes. 8-)
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: daveg on February 29, 2016, 01:37:32 pm
Does anybody do baby deltic engines in N scale? :)

DJM are will be -

N Gauge Class 23 N23-001 D5903 BR 2 tone green with small yellow warning panel 114.50
 
N Gauge Class 23 N23-002 D5909 BR Blue with full yellow front end - 114.50
 
N Gauge Class 23 N23-003 D5900 BR 2 tone green with small yellow warning panel - 114.50
 
N Gauge Class 23 N23-004 D5907 BR 2 tone green with small yellow warning panel - 114.50
 
N Gauge Class 23 N23-005 D5901 BR 2 tone green with small yellow warning panel weathered - 124.50

HTH

Dave G
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on February 29, 2016, 02:09:21 pm
Does anybody do baby deltic engines in N scale? :)

Class 23s - i dont believe so (although resin shells are available), but their absence is explained (not considering the the whole region thing and scarcity) as Napier/EE sent a Class 23 special to demonstrate the baby deltic engine fitted therein,  it unfortunately blowing a cylinder liner just outside Eastleigh, causing chaos for the Soton/London commuters and considering George Braithwaite, Chief Engineer/Naval Architect of SJSBB, was in the cab, the demise of the 100ft luxury launch, 'Julia', half-penned on his drawing board.

Does anybody do baby deltic engines in N scale? :)

DJM are will be -

N Gauge Class 23 N23-001 D5903 BR 2 tone green with small yellow warning panel 114.50
 
N Gauge Class 23 N23-002 D5909 BR Blue with full yellow front end - 114.50
 
N Gauge Class 23 N23-003 D5900 BR 2 tone green with small yellow warning panel - 114.50
 
N Gauge Class 23 N23-004 D5907 BR 2 tone green with small yellow warning panel - 114.50
 
N Gauge Class 23 N23-005 D5901 BR 2 tone green with small yellow warning panel weathered - 124.50

HTH

Dave G

 :laughabovepost:  :laughabovepost:

Sorry, I was enquiring about engines, not locos!!

I was imagining a freight train arriving at Hambleside East with a couple of engines on 15' bolster wagons for the SJSBB Yard to put in their boats... :)

Nice to know that the locos will be putting in an appearance, but I'll need a pretty robust 'Rule 1' for one to appear on the South Coast...

Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on February 29, 2016, 02:14:44 pm
S Joyce and Son Boat builders started producing motor tenders at Warsash in the 1920's; with the coming of the 2nd world war and the RAFs need for high speed rescue boats they were ideally placed to full-fill this demand. The companies previous limited use of the railway increased with Napier Sea Lion engines arriving from Lincoln and timber arriving from across the country; propellers, driveshafts and other oily bits arrived from Young's propellers in Woolston, Southampton.

In the post war period the company resumed manufacturing high speed launches, demand was much lower and the company struggled for a while until the demand for luxury products increased in the 50s and 60s. For a time it supplied and serviced the vessels used on a high speed passenger service to East Cowes from Hambleside quay. But it was for the luxury launches that the company became known and duly prospered, although rivalry was fierce with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riva_Aquarama amongst others.

(the company's relationship with Napier was well cemented in the second world war but initial plans to use the company's baby deltic engine in a top-of-the-range 100ft launch did not come to fruition due, in part, to reliability concerns raised by SJSBB's chief engineer/naval architect.)

Thanks for the info - will give me something to put on any scenic extension board...
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on February 29, 2016, 02:16:31 pm
Enjoying the back story. You wouldn't get much freight on the Warsash Ferry, so a line down that side of the estuary would have been even more valuable...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cYM8fizYSjM/VtM-xtp7NhI/AAAAAAAAHYo/NQKBgJH4JNM/s800-Ic42/1981%252520Soton%25252003%252520Warsash%252520%252528Medium%252529.jpg)

I'm thinking that when the Railway company established their Ferry, it would be a more substantial and capacious vessel or two...
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 29, 2016, 02:24:42 pm
RE: "Baby Deltics", an Enthusiasts' Special is always a good excuse. 8-)
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Pete Smith on February 29, 2016, 02:39:37 pm

Class 23s - i dont believe so (although resin shells are available), but their absence is explained (not considering the the whole region thing and scarcity) as Napier/EE sent a Class 23 special to demonstrate the baby deltic engine fitted therein,  it unfortunately blowing a cylinder liner just outside Eastleigh, causing chaos for the Soton/London commuters and considering George Braithwaite, Chief Engineer/Naval Architect of SJSBB, was in the cab, the demise of the 100ft luxury launch, 'Julia', half-penned on his drawing board.


 :laughabovepost:  :laughabovepost:

Sorry, I was enquiring about engines, not locos!!

 I was imagining a freight train arriving at Hambleside East with a couple of engines on 15' bolster wagons for the SJSBB Yard to put in their boats... :)

Nice to know that the locos will be putting in an appearance, but I'll need a pretty robust 'Rule 1' for one to appear on the South Coast...


Wasnt sure so that why i referred to CL23s.
Don't forget that SJSBB's erstwhile Chief Engineer/Naval Architect, George Braithwaite CEng, FRINA, FIMechE, experienced the baby deltic engine (in the loco) and, despite its big brother's fine performance in minesweeper service, decided it was not for the 'Julia', nor any SJSBB vessel. The big brother engine being of course much too powerful for SJSBB's range of launches/luxury tender's.

Of course wartime Napier Sea Lion engine's would arrive on liveried bolster wagons and then later engines for the modern [60s] launches; the records as to the type used have not yet been "discovered".

Rumour has it the company also developed (or not) clandestine vessels during the war which no doubt would have had "interesting" shaped deliveries arriving under nondescript tarpaulins, most likely unloaded under the cover of darkness. Perhaps from Derby or Crewe or maybe even Packard in Detroit.
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on February 29, 2016, 03:14:25 pm
...and of course, in WWII the Luftwaffe would have been more busy bombing the sh more obvious targets further up and down the coast than to concentrate on a little enterprise half-way up a muddy creek somewhere in between them...

I did try Googling the company, but nothing came up, apart from a Thomas S Joyce in Castlebar - but then, with all the clandestine work being done there, it's probably been suppressed under the Official Secrets Act. Good job I'm still under that from when I worked at Rolls-Royce Ltd (Military Aero Engines) in Bristol...
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Newportnobby on February 29, 2016, 03:17:36 pm
Ah - but you make an assumption Luftwaffe bombing was accurate, that no loads were jettisoned on being attacked, and no 'overthrows' occurred :hmmm:
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Pete Smith on February 29, 2016, 03:31:58 pm
It is, of course, entirely fictional covered by the act. Their, arguably, more famous Italian rival (Riva) tended #pun to concentrate on smaller launches and the Princess Grace tie in obscures the publicity.

But certainly little boat yards existed (and still do) up and down the Solent. Sunseaker had similar origins and the SJSBB may well have built boats similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_Two_63_ft_HSL, and the Napier/EE tie in is  nice.
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Pete Smith on February 29, 2016, 03:40:18 pm
It is understood, by those in the know, including a gentleman known to frequently travel to points west, that SJSBB's Chief Engineer/Naval Architect, George Braithwaite CEng, FRINA, FIMechE, was asked, at one point, to revisit the design of the 'Julia', by ex-wartime colleagues in a dusky corridor of Whitehall, with the intent of fitting a BS Marine Proteus. A large order of 'Paint, Grey, Battleship' would also need to be procured from the adjacent chemical works.

However SJSBB range of luxury tender's was pushing the production line to the limit, including an order from the young Jochan Rindt, a discount given for his ambassadorial services, and the design was sold to Vospers at nearby Porchester (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave-class_fast_patrol_boat)
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on November 13, 2016, 03:30:38 am
Apologies for no progress this year, the mojo has been a bit lacking...

With the impending MRC Open Day, a few updates and fixes for Hambleside.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/2626-131116031920.jpeg)

Firstly, some dodgy-looking ballasting on the Engine Shed/Brewery board.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/2626-131116031954.jpeg)

The Brewery yard has had some paving added - it's not up to the rail height and I'm having second thoughts about concrete. Perhaps it ought to be cobblestones.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/2626-131116032222.jpeg)

Second, The station throat trackwork needs looking at - a bit of tweaking to enble correct road running on the approach to the main station platform is needed. Watch this space...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/2626-131116032101.jpeg)

Finally, some recent acquisitions.
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chetcombe on November 13, 2016, 03:49:35 am
I am inclined to agree, cobblestones might look better than the concrete. I think Metclafe include some in the Brewery kits - I have used some around my Brewery/factory area and like the effect.

I see an NGS Thompson BG and what look like a couple of Green Class 33s - hVe I missed any of the new additions?
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Bealman on November 13, 2016, 05:24:11 am
Love the locos and rolling stock!  :thumbsup:

Yep, cobbles for sure.  :beers:
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: daveg on November 13, 2016, 07:35:34 am
I think the brewery is one of Metcalfe's best kits.

Cobblestones would definitely suit. I have used Redutex around my brewery.

Take a look here: http://redutex.co.uk/ (http://redutex.co.uk/)

Dave G
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Newportnobby on November 13, 2016, 09:39:52 am
I am inclined to agree, cobblestones might look better than the concrete. I think Metclafe include some in the Brewery kits - I have used some around my Brewery/factory area and like the effect.

I see an NGS Thompson BG and what look like a couple of Green Class 33s - hVe I missed any of the new additions?


@Chetcombe (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=817)
Mike - I really think you should procure a class 33 as you could then run trains into Dorset from, say, Bournemouth and Lymington to mention but 2 ;)
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on November 13, 2016, 11:41:59 am
I am inclined to agree, cobblestones might look better than the concrete. I think Metclafe include some in the Brewery kits - I have used some around my Brewery/factory area and like the effect.

I see an NGS Thompson BG and what look like a couple of Green Class 33s - hVe I missed any of the new additions?

Two [NGS] Thompson BGs (Crimson and lined Maroon); a BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4T (recent release from Farish); and two Dapol Class 33s (released last month). The others are a previously-owned Terrier, and two NQP locos, a Farish 'N' (just had to straighten out the fire iron posts on the tender load) and a Dapol 'Britannia' (as far as I can see, nowt wrong with it apart from needing a little TLC on the drive mechanism to lessen the noise). The wagon is one that I assembled and had weathered at the Dapol Open Day.
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 13, 2016, 06:38:27 pm
Thanks for the update. Some very fine additions to your NPCCS and loco. fleet, there.

I also think a BR Green or BR Blue 65XX Class 33 would look fine running in Dorset. A 33/1 with a 4TC (alas, not available RTR) would easily be justified on a special. Until then, a 33/0 with BR SR Green / BR Blue & Grey stock would look very good. 8-) I agree, also, about cobblestones in the brewery yard but concrete might be a later, more modern addition / replacement?
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chetcombe on November 13, 2016, 11:28:17 pm
I am inclined to agree, cobblestones might look better than the concrete. I think Metclafe include some in the Brewery kits - I have used some around my Brewery/factory area and like the effect.

I see an NGS Thompson BG and what look like a couple of Green Class 33s - hVe I missed any of the new additions?


@Chetcombe ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=817[/url])
Mike - I really think you should procure a class 33 as you could then run trains into Dorset from, say, Bournemouth and Lymington to mention but 2 ;)


@talisman56 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2626) I did wonder if those steamers were new additions as well, you have been busy!

@newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) I have a Green SYP Class 33 on the way, but it seems to be taking a very long route to get to me! Appreciate you helping me spend my hard-earned though :D
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on November 21, 2016, 02:00:00 pm
The PW staff moved in at the weekend and Hambleside East has no train services this week.

Before that, though an update on the Brewery Yard - cobblestones laid and it looks a lot better now...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/2626-211116134641.jpeg)

The track layout before the PW crew moved in - on the left (from top to bottom), Down and Up main lines exiting the tunnel, and the spur to the goods yard and docks headshunt and the loco depot, PW siding and Brewery. On the right (from top to bottom), bay Platform 2 line with the stabling siding opposite, main Platform 1 line and the run-round loop/goods reception road. The other lines lower down are the two Good Yard lines and the line to the dockside.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/2626-131116032222.jpeg)

The main problem with this layout is that trains approaching the main Platform 1 had to run 'wrong road' through the tunnel and this was inhibiting Up Goods services that wished to leave at the same time.

The current formation was completely removed and a new base layer installed.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/2626-211116134721.jpeg)

Then the new points and crossings were tried out for fit. The presence of a main baseboard bearer under the middle of the area has restricted the positioning of the single slip - the three-way point has had to be used instead of a point and separate crossover to the run-round loop.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/2626-211116134749.jpeg)

More progress pics soon...

Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 21, 2016, 02:31:20 pm
Thanks for the update. I'm sure the new track layout will make operating much easier. I look forward to seeing it in use, with trains, in due course.
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: port perran on November 21, 2016, 04:22:30 pm
Looking really good. I like the brewery and am impressed by the wagon turntable. I have one on Trepol Bay and I think there are a few others lurking amongst forum members.
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: MinZaPint on November 22, 2016, 12:58:20 pm
The cobblestones in the brewery yard are a big improvement  :thumbsup: having seen Dunestone at the Yeovil gathering I look forward to following your progress.
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on November 26, 2016, 02:07:06 am
A bit of track bashing and fitting this evening, and after a bit of fiddling, the plan was executed, despite the change in geometry enforced by the change from Code 80 to Code 55. There's a bit of a wiggle in the loop line to enable the crossover to the Up Main to flow smoothly, and as a result, there's a sharper-than-intended curve into the MPD line, but that can be eased when the rest of the track is replaced.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/2626-261116015849.jpeg)

...and mission accomplished as regards the storage siding - there's ample room for a 59' three-set, and if the coaches are set hard against the buffer stop, a 63' three-set can be accommodated.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/2626-261116015957.jpeg)

Next step, lots of holes to be drilled for the electrical wiring, then the track can be stuck into position...
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 26, 2016, 07:04:06 am
Thanks for the update. A nice rake of SR livery Maunsells. What will the station pilot be?
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: talisman56 on November 26, 2016, 08:14:57 am
Thanks for the update. A nice rake of SR livery Maunsells. What will the station pilot be?

One of the two M7s or three Terriers... :)

'Black Motor' 700 Class 0-6-0 on heavy traffic Summer Saturdays.
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 26, 2016, 10:30:52 am
Thanks for your reply. I have still to order my Union Mills T9 and 'Black Motor' 700 Class 0-6-0 but will do, soon, so I hope to have them DCC-fitted and at Cant Cove, next Spring. I look forward to seeing your train running, again, soon.

Do you know anyone who will repaint, add lining transfers, new numbers and, where relevant new nameplates, to BR SR steam loco. models? I have an old Graham Farish Bulleid Light Pacific that needs some attention. Its previous owner started work on it but one side needs redoing and both sides need BR lining added. (I know the new Bulleid Light Pacifics are due and plan to buy one but I want to keep my existing fleet and detail them.)
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Newportnobby on November 26, 2016, 01:06:27 pm

Do you know anyone who will repaint, add lining transfers, new numbers and, where relevant new nameplates, to BR SR steam loco. models? I have an old Graham Farish Bulleid Light Pacific that needs some attention. Its previous owner started work on it but one side needs redoing and both sides need BR lining added. (I know the new Bulleid Light Pacifics are due and plan to buy one but I want to keep my existing fleet and detail them.)


Maybe Gideon would take this on as a commission, Chris :hmmm:
@Ozymandias (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3534)
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Ozymandias on November 28, 2016, 09:18:35 am

Do you know anyone who will repaint, add lining transfers, new numbers and, where relevant new nameplates, to BR SR steam loco. models? I have an old Graham Farish Bulleid Light Pacific that needs some attention. Its previous owner started work on it but one side needs redoing and both sides need BR lining added. (I know the new Bulleid Light Pacifics are due and plan to buy one but I want to keep my existing fleet and detail them.)


Maybe Gideon would take this on as a commission, Chris :hmmm:
@Ozymandias ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3534[/url])


Yes, that's very much something I can do! :)
Title: Re: Hambleside East (was Dunestone) - BR(SR) 60s
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 28, 2016, 09:44:26 am
Thank you, both. Please, PM me, Gideon, for the details. It's an old Graham Farish unrebuilt Bulleid Light Pacific that has been part 'converted' to 34002 "Salisbury", in its mid-1960s condition in BR Late Crest Lined Green livery fitted with AWS and BR speedo and attached to a cut-down 4,500-gallon tender. 34002 lasted until April 1967. "Salisbury" is a favorite of mine because it hauled the 'Cornubian', a special run by the RCTS/Plymouth Railway Circle, to commemorate cessation of steam operation on the Cornish Main Line, on 3rd May 1964. My model of 34002 is, currently, awaiting, first, DCC-fitting.