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Title: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on September 08, 2013, 05:34:04 pm
Fisherlea is based on parts of what I remember down in central Southern England if they had ever been rail-connected, i.e. a Smiths crisp factory and an engineering works, with stock either in rail blue around 1976/77 or in Network SouthEast days around 1988/89.

A few months ago I dismantled my previous layout, Penda's Whin (details on this forum) as it was getting too unwieldy to operate and towards the end of its life I only used one of its three running circuits.

However I bought extra sections of Kato Unitrack so I could mount that on my vacant plastic outdoor table board. My plan is to keep the Unitrack sections for the long term and build up extra sections including a station in the same modular way, but customised to British rather than Japanese practice.

In the meantime I went through all my Fleischmann track I took up and found some of it had distorted and shown signs of age. These were binned, but there were still enough good pieces left to make up a single track layout with passing loops and opportunities for shunting, which was absent on my previous layout. I bought a few extra pieces that I was short of online and was ready to start tracklaying.

Fisherlea 1.0.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/thumb_6683.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=6683)
This was my first attempt but I wasn't happy with the passing loop on the left, there weren't any sidings branching off away from it.
I live in a block of flats where I can hear the neighbours fairly easily, so glued down the track as opposed to drilling through the plastic and pinning it down.

Fisherlea 1.0.1 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/thumb_6758.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=6758)
I refined the sidings on the left hand side and added a track at the edge to allow for easier railing of stock.

Fisherlea 1.0.2 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/thumb_6760.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=6760)
The basic infrastructure is taking shape. I had sheets of card that had been hanging around in my pile of materials for years that I used for the roads and hardstanding. This layout will use up raw material, including grass matting, that's been hanging around in my scrapbox for ages.
Because this board was an outdoor summer table top, the centre slopes down draining water away,
I may have a park in the centre of the layout.
I haven't decided if I'm including a station along the rear straight section
... or to fill the space between the road and railway with industrial units and housing with the gardens backing onto the railway, I fancy building several of the Kestrel Design 1930s semis.



 
 
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Badger76 on September 08, 2013, 09:47:11 pm
What a good idea! I've got an old plastic table in the garage I could use.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on September 08, 2013, 10:17:32 pm
I should have said the size of my layout is 54 inches x 35 inches.

It had four detachable heavy duty plastic legs and supports but I disposed of them because I never used it as a table, just the top as a base.
Although it's slightly heavier than a strip wood and ply construction, its rounded edges makes it easier to carry around and stack it vertically when not in use.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on September 10, 2013, 07:02:15 pm
I photographed some of the stock that'll be running on Fisherlea:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/thumb_6964.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=6964)
It'll cover both 1970s rail blue and late 1980s Sectorisation eras, suitable for branch line operation.
I was born in Birmingham so my DMU fleet for operation here is all Met-Cam built.

This layout will be a haven for my UK Farish diesels.
It's taken time to assemble because from many years experience of running these locos I've stipulated only running these fitted with brass or the rarer white plastic gears for maximum reliability, in some cases this meant swapping parts round with other stock. Even the headlights still work on the Co-Cos!
For maintenance purposes I've purposefully concentrated on DMUs and Co-Cos.

Although this is supposed to be based in central southern England, I'm waiting to see how Dapol's forthcoming class 33s pan out next year before committing myself to buy a representative.

Wagons will be traditional 4-wheeled opens and vans for the 70s and Continental train ferry wagon designs for the 80s.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on October 05, 2013, 11:33:30 am
Although I haven't made any more progress on the layout, until I buy a Kestrel Models 1930s semi to check its footprint, I realised I can add another era drawn from my stock, between 2002-2006, using models representing Wessex Trains and EWS.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/thumb_7274.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=7274)

Interestingly in 1991, the ownership of the stations at Romsey, Mottisfont & Dunbridge, and Dean were transferred from Network SouthEast to Regional Railways.
 
I also brought out my 2 + 9 GNER HST with red doors for a trial run (didn't take any photos) but I couldn't run any other trains because it was much longer than the passing loops could take.
 
However I could assemble a scenario representing Newquay on Summer Saturdays as I own a Virgin Voyager but if I had the space I would rather model a section of the Somerset & Dorset if it hadn't been closed by Dr Beeching and in my fictional world divert HSTs and Voyagers to Bournemouth down the S&D.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on December 15, 2013, 11:37:07 am
I'm looking forward to two weeks off work over Christmas...

 ... and I've ideas on how to develop things further.

I've realised this layout looks like some of the former circular industrial estate railways, e.g. the Trafford Estate (Manchester) and the former munitions factory, closed 1958, now an industrial estate and part-retail park called Thorp Arch Estate (located near Thorp Arch village behind Wealstun prison in Yorkshire)

I work not far from Thorp Arch and a lot of brick built single storey buildings still survive in use as industrial units. Until 1958 special unadvertised workers' trains called at the munitions factory.

Here are my early efforts using empty clear Farish loco boxes to see what's feasible.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_8839.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8839)

Moreover, the buildings are low enough to stay fixed on the board and not get damaged when I stack the layout vertically. A visit to the Thorp Arch estate beckons to photograph some of the details.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_8838.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8838)



Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Newportnobby on December 15, 2013, 11:39:47 am
Interesting idea, and I hope a local visit and some photos will help bring it to life on your layout :thumbsup: :camera:
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on January 19, 2014, 07:40:53 pm
Today I glued down some grass matting in the centre of the board, representing parkland.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/thumb_9663.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9663)

Two minor roads crossing the lines have sticky blue tack added between the road and rails to form the ramps, as an experiment to see how this stands up to use and storage.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/thumb_9690.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9690)

Yesterday I bought an old plastic Lima Italian station building found by chance at a show in Huddersfield, today it was marked out and loosely fixed on the board.
It'll be adapted as a social club-cum-restaurant with its own car parking and al fresco area.

The band of grey between the track and the road will be used for buildings, either residential or commercial - no final decision's been taken.
Pavements, road layouts and painting will be my next consideration.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Newportnobby on January 19, 2014, 08:12:09 pm
Good progress :thumbsup:
Looks like the local authority planning department will be quite busy :)
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on February 02, 2014, 05:56:18 pm
Industry wins over residential development!

Subject to checking on how much suitable plastic strip I've in stock, it'll be an Art Deco styled 1930s factory using surplus empty Farish and Oxford Diecast clear boxes.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Fisherlea___layout_development/Dir_1/medium_9987.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9987)

Inspiration will be taken from similar buildings that survive in west London in Perivale (Hoover) and Brentford (Great West Road) but probably won't be quite that elaborate.

http://www.perivale.co.uk/hoover-building.htm (http://www.perivale.co.uk/hoover-building.htm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Mile_(Brentford) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Mile_(Brentford))
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Newportnobby on February 02, 2014, 08:07:45 pm
Neat idea :thumbsup:
BTW - from my schoolboy French one of the motifs on your sofa is a bit 'fruity' :D
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Dock Shunter on February 02, 2014, 08:12:48 pm
Neat idea :thumbsup:
BTW - from my schoolboy French one of the motifs on your sofa is a bit 'fruity' :D

Erm.......Just a little bit....... :o
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: joe cassidy on February 02, 2014, 09:02:17 pm
Calm down everyone!

"baisers" (noun, plural) = kisses

"baiser (verb, without 's') = you know already

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: icaris on February 05, 2014, 10:26:33 pm
Nice progress good layout

Geoff
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on February 16, 2014, 12:45:00 pm
After some deliberation I'm arranging for the factory to have its own staff halt which will be made from Farish and scratchbuilt platform parts.
The halt can accept a 3-car Met-Cam DMU or equivalent length unit or loco-hauled stock.

From the railside:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Fisherlea___layout_development/Dir_1/medium_10266.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=10266)

From the roadside:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Fisherlea___layout_development/Dir_1/medium_10265.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=10265)

Some more greenery has also been added and I'm deciding how much more room I'll need to set aside for car parking for all these mini employees.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: scottishlocos on February 16, 2014, 01:30:22 pm
Hi

Really like this layout and idea behind it I too am starting a new layout that can represent both blue grey and regional eras. Good luck with this the class 101s look good and the 37 will prove usefull for freight and passenger trains.

Kind regards

Dave
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: johnlambert on February 16, 2014, 01:46:42 pm
Neat idea to recycle those boxes into an art deco station building.  Can't wait to see how that turns out.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on February 16, 2014, 01:55:22 pm
I designed in a staff halt inspired by IBM station on the Wemyss Bay line

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_railway_station (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_railway_station)

although the factory's located further away from IBM halt in reality compared with my model.

Haven't chosen the name of the firm yet who will occupy this building although it'll be a multinational company who could have afforded to build an Art Deco-style edifice.
I could even pretend that IBM opened its UK HQ in Portsmouth forty years earlier than when they actually moved there in 1976; during the 30s, the Western Road-Southampton Road areas of the city were open fields with growing suburban housing then.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: PostModN66 on February 16, 2014, 03:27:50 pm
I really, really like the vibe of this layout - different, interesting, and a great idea to use those loco boxes!

Don't make it IBM though!  I had the misfortune to work for a company that was bought by IBM and those eighteen months were the worst five years of my working life!!   :(

Rage Against the Machine!!   :thumbsup:

Cheers  Jon   :)
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on February 16, 2014, 08:01:40 pm
Work's started on the office block.

The two long wings based on ex-Farish loco boxes will be the main offices and both will be symmetrical and identical in detail, with the ex-Oxford Diecast box forming the main concourse and reception.

It'll be finished in white resembling a concrete surface that was known in the building trade as Snowcreate a type of concrete "that always will stay looking like new even after the harshest of British weathers" (source) http://www.perivale.co.uk/hoover-building.htm (http://www.perivale.co.uk/hoover-building.htm)
However my building will have detail features taken from a number of similar white concrete Art Deco structures.
Most of the detail will be built up using Evergreen plastic strip.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Fisherlea___layout_development/Dir_1/medium_10274.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=10274)

One of the long boxes may have a removable top so I can store stuff to help maintain the layout such as track cleaners.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on April 21, 2014, 11:53:40 am
I've made no progress with buildings and scenery but have modelled mini Virgin Cross Country HSTs to go with my Wessex and Wales & West sub-collection.

In my scenario they run Liverpool Lime St-Portsmouth Harbour via WCML, Birmingham, Cheltenham, Bristol TM, and over the Somerset & Dorset which remains open in my mind, via Highbridge, Glastonbury, Evercreech, Bournemouth and then Southampton, Fareham and Portsmouth Harbour.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Fisherlea___layout_development/Dir_1/medium_11824.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=11824)

Rule 1 applies for the insertion of a GNER power car owing to problems with Virgin's own power cars as the unit arrived in Liverpool on a diagram starting from Edinburgh.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Fisherlea___layout_development/Dir_1/medium_11825.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=11825)

I can also call on a Dapol Virgin 2 + 2 HST

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

Seriously, a 2 + 2 HST, being shorter fits better in loops and the platform on Fisherlea compared with a 4-car Voyager. Also the power cars, being shorter and 8-wheeled can manage the sharper curves more easily.

Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Bealman on April 21, 2014, 11:58:55 am
Very interesting concept!
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on June 13, 2014, 07:02:11 pm
I've rejigged my DMUs so I can now operate two privatisation era periods, 2000-2002 and 2008.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/thumb_13178.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13178)

Firstly, a SWT 159, suitable for both periods covered as above.

For 2000-2002, I can call upon Wales & West and Wessex 158s and a Regional Railways 150/2.

For early 2008, I can call upon the St Ives Bay and FGW 153s,
and an Arriva 150/2 of which five were sub-leased to FGW from early that year.

All these were chosen for maximum livery variety when run together within each of the specified eras.

Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on June 13, 2014, 08:26:11 pm
I can now recreate four separate eras on Fisherlea:

1976-77 - BR blue
1988-89 - Sectorisation, Network SouthEast

2000-02 - privatisation after award of first tranche of franchises
2008 - privatisation after award of second tranche of franchises

I need to address how best to deal with buildings and structures to cope with the different eras.
My planned Art Deco office complex now looks like a very shrewd idea after all.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on June 14, 2014, 12:35:05 pm
I won't include any dwellings on my layout because it's intended to be somewhere on the outskirts of town and décor and fashion have changed a fair deal between the 1970s and the noughties.

For example, I knew someone whose semi in the 70s had bright yellow wooden door and window frames but looked unfashionable only a few years later.

If I carefully choose my buildings then they could serve all four eras modelled with no modification.

On the other hand I already own buses in NBC green for the 70s and Stagecoach stripes for the late 80s, but will need to model Barbie-liveried First Group vehicles for post-2000 era.

Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Newportnobby on June 14, 2014, 01:30:31 pm
I knew someone whose semi in the 70s had bright yellow wooden door

That's a lemon entry, dear Watson :-X
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on June 14, 2014, 03:04:59 pm
After some retail therapy buying extra DMUs, I've gone back to work on the layout.

I've laid down some pavements cut up from a unwanted cardboard box. Some of the work was challenging because I had to cut several pieces of curved pavement and some more car parking areas bits at strange angles.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/thumb_13187.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13187)

Not all the pavements are laid yet as I'll need to make up some level crossing ramps.
They'll be made from card, but will need a fair amount of trimming and patience to fit alongside the rails as the track curves over the roads.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on June 14, 2014, 04:42:07 pm
After some retail therapy buying extra DMUs

A treatment only surpassed by buying extra EMUs :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on June 15, 2014, 09:37:23 am
This shows where I store my layout when not in use, in my spare room.
Every time I want to run any trains or do any work involving the baseboard, I have to transport it to/from my living room.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/thumb_13195.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13195)

Therefore I haven't added details that could be damaged whilst in transit. I'll probably fix down the platform and some smaller buildings on the board but other structures may be removable.



Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on June 16, 2014, 09:22:48 pm
My Wales & West 158 unit was bought as a pair of bodyshells and made into a dummy unit. I wanted to motorise it with the later split-frame chassis as for maintenance purposes I prefer to standardise on them rather than the Poole-designed spring-drive shaft chassis.

It was one of a batch of these 158s produced about 2001 not long after Bachmann's purchase of Farish and appeared with an improved UK Farish spring-drive shaft chassis.
(BTW the Arriva Transpennine and First North Western 158s also had the same chassis)

However if the later chassis is attached to this batch of 158s, it makes the body sit 1mm higher so I carefully cut out the middle reinforcing clear plastic body section to bring it down to its correct height and glued the roof on for reinforcement.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/thumb_13247.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13247)

Now I can wait for a suitable 158 to do a body and chassis swap.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on June 20, 2014, 06:13:01 pm
I received my used Central Trains 158 with Chinese flywheel drive unit for the chassis swap.
After attending to running issues, I then swapped the green air dam (deflector) on the powered chassis for a yellow one fitted on the Wales & West unit.
Fitted the chassis into the bodyshell prepared earlier with two dollops of blutack one at each end of the split frame chassis.

Hey presto, one motorised unit with flywheel drive to enter service on Fisherlea.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on June 23, 2014, 07:33:19 pm
Tonight I fitted the missing cog on my FGW 153 and test ran it round the layout.

I should also say I own two more 153s - a First North Western midnight blue and gold version with Northern logo and an Arriva Trains turquoise example.

They can run together on a Cardiff Central service or the ex-FNW unit could represent the sole example transferred to FGW in late 2007,

see "Picture of the Day 4 February 2008" at http://www.therailwaycentre.com/Picture%20of%20the%20Day%20index/Old_POD_Feb2008.html (http://www.therailwaycentre.com/Picture%20of%20the%20Day%20index/Old_POD_Feb2008.html)
for this interesting formation

However the 26 February 2008 photo of the day on the same website looks VERY tempting!
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on July 15, 2014, 10:22:58 pm
I've pressed my Arriva Transpennine 3-car 158 into service to broaden the FGW franchise era between 2006-2008, but with a Chinese flywheel-drive chassis rather than its former Poole-origin chassis.

Its centre coach has been modified in the same way as the Wales & West 158 to accommodate the Chinese flywheel-drive chassis.

However I'm invoking Rule 1 because I didn't like the way First Transpennine modified the original Northern Spirit livery by adding their vinyls in the way they implemented their stamp on their new franchise.
See post ##24 in http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/8066-fgw-3-car-158s-in-ex-tp-first-or-northern-purple/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/8066-fgw-3-car-158s-in-ex-tp-first-or-northern-purple/)

I saw them with this livery modification very shortly after they took over in 2004 and again in 2006 when visiting my parents in Portsmouth, anyone could have thought the First Transpennine franchise included Portsmouth as part of their network as well!

First could have adopted a more discreet way by covering up "Arriva" with their logo, yet still have kept the distinctive livery.

For my purposes I've kept the original livery as modelled by Farish.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on July 20, 2014, 11:46:23 am
After today's Farish's announcements, my pair of Poole-built NSE 3-car class 101 DMUs will soldier on for longer. At least I have plenty of spares backup.



Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Danfilm007 on July 20, 2014, 12:42:25 pm
Loving the layout!
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on July 20, 2014, 01:01:20 pm
NEWSFLASH:

To mark the fact my ex-junior and secondary school year group pupils will all turn 50 between 1st September 2014-31st August 2015,
streets and structures will be named after individuals using their surnames or a combination of their other elements such as streets they lived in or other personal connections.

I'll also attempt to complete Fisherlea as a layout not later than 31st August 2015.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Newportnobby on July 20, 2014, 01:48:36 pm


I'll also attempt to complete Fisherlea as a layout not later than 31st August 2015.

Could be better than a Farish/Dapol promise :hmmm: :D
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on July 21, 2014, 07:42:06 pm
The first named announcement of many:

1. Camilleri's Ristorante

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14175.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14175)

This will be based on an old Lima plastic Italian station building repainted and modified to look like an upmarket restaurant in modernist architecture style.
Lima moulded details of the timetables "Orario Generale" and arrival and departure boards onto the walls which will be kept as part of the general ambience of the building.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14174.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14174)

Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 21, 2014, 08:45:21 pm
The timetables "Orario Generale" and arrival and departure boards on the walls could be the restaurant menu, drinks list and specials boards!
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on July 22, 2014, 06:52:08 pm
I'm researching more suitable naming ideas but my biggest challenge is thinking of buildings and uses that span the 1976-2008 period without significant change.

Camilleri's Ristorante was a useful starting point because I owned a suitable Italian modernist style building and Italian restaurants have always been popular throughout the chosen eras outlined above, moreover many of them are or were family-owned.

I've rejected some ideas because they only became popular in the UK at specific times - such as a German Bierkeller, not common during the 1970s.

However I'm considering a Home Guard museum inspired on BBC's 1960s/70s Dad's Army TV series with a photo of Captain George Mainwaring and his mates on a hoarding promoting the museum using Farish Scenecraft's 42-110 Nissen hut http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=scraftn&prod=1 (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=scraftn&prod=1)
which I own and could span the whole time period.

Another possibility is a transport café based around an ex-LT DMS double decker, the first of which were withdrawn in 1976/77. A similar café exists on the A64 near Leeds painted red and based around an Alexander-bodied Atlantean?
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/140442 (http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/140442)


Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on July 24, 2014, 08:47:11 pm
I've began work on the Home Guard museum - this will be based around a Scenecraft Nissen hut.
It'll be a small museum, surrounded by fencing, some hardstanding and a flagpole.
The back story is the museum was established in 1975 by someone as a personal collection, inspired by the TV series, based around a disused Nissen hut that would otherwise have been demolished, to tell the history of what actually happened and will house a small amount of local memorabilia about the Home Guard.

A home-made hoarding promoting the museum will be fixed somewhere on the hut based on a much reduced image of some of the Dad's Army characters.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14196.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14196)
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: scotsoft on July 24, 2014, 08:50:42 pm
I like your idea of the museum, have you considered having an aircraft museum close by?

There are quite a few model kits you can get of iconic aircraft fairly inexpensively.

cheers John.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on July 24, 2014, 09:32:10 pm
I've only setting aside a small area for the Home Guard museum, the exact location on the layout yet to be decided.

As for an aircraft museum, I want to keep a lot of greenery in the centre of the layout and won't have much room for hangars or other ancillary airport stuff.
I knew someone at school, after completing a chemistry degree, who started training as a civilian pilot and instructor, last time I heard of him he was flying cargo planes.
If I decide on having some museum or display it'll be strictly civilian and due to lack of room, light aircraft only would be considered.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: n85cs on August 11, 2014, 08:14:30 pm
the poole /Southampton / Bournemouth cross country services ran via Birmingham new street, Coventry, leamington , Banbury, oxford, reading / Winchester / Basingstoke

the old dover - Manchester ran via dover - Faversham, Bromley, Clapham, Kensington Olympia, north pole, Watford, wcml to rugby, Coventry - new st
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: jonclox on August 11, 2014, 08:38:18 pm
the poole /Southampton / Bournemouth cross country services ran via Birmingham new street, Coventry, leamington , Banbury, oxford, reading / Winchester / Basingstoke
Not in that order though :laugh:
Wasn't it Poole/ Bournemouth/ Southampton/ Winchester/Basingstoke/ Reading/ Oxford/ Banbury/ Leamington/ Coventry/ Birmingham New Street ?
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on August 19, 2014, 05:14:22 pm
I'm pretending the Somerset & Dorset lines stayed open :) and some Virgin Cross Country HSTs were routed that way - this is why I own Wales & West, Wessex and FGW stock as well.

Under my scenario, the HSTs would run via Highbridge and Glastonbury along the Somerset Levels.
However the sound and sight of them would be awesome if they climbed up the 1:49 from Bath (Green Park) towards Midford! :claphappy:





Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on October 11, 2014, 07:17:09 pm
I went to the Sheffield model rail show today and came back with a dummy Farish Regional Railways 158 and two spare Farish 101 centre car bodies in NSE livery.

Once I got home I quickly modified one of the 158 bodyshells to take the later Chinese made flywheel drive unit, this is my fourth such conversion to date.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/39/thumb_17186.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=17186)

The RR liveried unit is far more useful for work on Fisherlea, as it's numbered in the series allocated new to RR South West & Wales in 1991. It may get some very light weathering, but probably not as much as Farish's forthcoming RR 158 might have received.
 
However I pinched the motorised chassis from my Transpennine 158, but will keep it as a dummy so I have a model record of the former Northern Spirit's purple/gold livery, alongside its counterpart in turquoise/green, a class 156 (Dapol)
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 11, 2014, 07:23:21 pm
Very nice; I remember the Class 158s when they were new when I was living in Manchester. What will you use the two spare Farish 101 centre car bodies in NSE livery for? I thought the later (darker blue) NSE livery was very attractive as was the Provincial Railways and InterCity liveries of the period. I cannot say I'm very impressed with the current liveries on British railways.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on October 11, 2014, 07:38:18 pm
I quite fondly remember the NSE 101 3-car units in particular, I always passed at least one of these DMUs at Guildford whilst travelling between Portsmouth and London, and when I lived in London for a while, they turned up on Paddington services at well.

One of the centre car bodysides on my 3-car NSE units is bulging badly and I've tried straightening it out with some success but isn't a long-term solution.
They are very difficult to get hold of, moreover Farish aren't planning to release any class 101 3-car units in NSE livery in the foreseeable future, so it's a case of getting hold of spares whenever I can.

The other centre car bodyshell will be held back for long-term possible fitting onto a newer 101 chassis as a sandwich between blue/grey DMU carriages.



Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 11, 2014, 08:12:36 pm
Thanks; sounds like an excellent plan. I have a later model Class 101 unit in BR Green livery which I just about remember in real life c. 1967. I also remember the NSE Class 101s on the WR and SR.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on February 21, 2015, 04:10:10 pm
I haven't given up on this project ...!

This is my latest progress:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/31/thumb_21826.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=21826)

- completed all the pavements and level crossing approach ramps, however the infills between the rails will need checking and trimming to fit;
- gave all bare card surfaces one coat of acrylics, but will paint extra layers on to hide the card base colours, and refine the shades of tarmac and road surfaces for the different functions such as car parks and hardstanding.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/31/thumb_21827.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=21827)

These actions have began to transform the layout.

Finally, after naming the Italian-styled upmarket restaurant as Camilleri's Ristorante, the main thoroughfare (in lighter grey) will be called South Grayton Road.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on February 21, 2015, 04:58:33 pm
Even though a lot more work needs to be done, I've posed a typical late 1970s/early 1980s streetscene.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/31/thumb_21828.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=21828)

The Southdown Leyland Atlantean on route X16 to Southsea speeds along South Grayton Road on the outskirts of Portsmouth amongst a selection of cars, a few of which are parked up at Camilleri's Ristorante.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on March 15, 2015, 09:52:08 am
Work is continuing to refine the differing road surfaces - I mixed a pot of Tamiya acrylics specifically to represent concrete.

I'm trying to represent roads and hardstanding in various shades, it's made easier by the fact I've used a lot of card, which allowed differentiation between the various road surface colours clearly where sheets of card join.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/29/thumb_22865.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=22865)
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on March 15, 2015, 10:51:42 am
Here's the comparative footprints of both my proposed Art Deco office block and four light industrial units:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/29/thumb_22866.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=22866)

I'm considering, as an interim measure, whether to model four flat-roofed, single-storey light industrial units or model the Art Deco office block as originally intended.

Surplus Kestrel Models platform sections will be used to represent the felt roofing and the units will resemble brick-built types.
The main advantage doing it that way is that I can produce four identical structures quickly.
The other big thing is that I can name each of these factory/office units after fellow schoolmates who I knew - I've plenty of ideas on these!
Devine Inspirations, AK's FotoWorld, Goodall & Hillyer Computing Services are ideas already under consideration ...

Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 15, 2015, 11:37:18 am
I'm pretending the Somerset & Dorset lines stayed open :) and some Virgin Cross Country HSTs were routed that way - this is why I own Wales & West, Wessex and FGW stock as well.

Under my scenario, the HSTs would run via Highbridge and Glastonbury along the Somerset Levels.
However the sound and sight of them would be awesome if they climbed up the 1:49 from Bath (Green Park) towards Midford! :claphappy:

I'm also pretending that the Somerset & Dorset lines stayed open so that Cornwall can be supplied with best Somerset steam coal and cider with 'Castle Estates' produce being supplied to Somerset! 8-)
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on March 15, 2015, 06:30:30 pm
This afternoon, I've started building four light industrial factories/workshops/offices, using plasticard, Evergreen strip, and Kestrel platform sections for the roofs.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/29/thumb_22896.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=22896)

The clear pieces on top of the roofs will be glazing to fit behind the large openings and the structures will include representations of fire exits and roller shutters/doors to their storage areas.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on March 15, 2015, 08:10:20 pm
This'll be my last update today ...

I've placed the part-completed buildings on the board to see how they fit into the scene.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/29/thumb_22902.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=22902)  roadside

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/29/thumb_22903.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=22903)  railside

I must admit they're not as impressive as my Art Deco office block would have appeared in the same location.

However I may cut away some greenery elsewhere in order so these factory units can be accommodated somewhere ...
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on March 17, 2015, 04:45:23 pm
Change of plan - these structures looked better as part of a small, partly rail connected industrial estate. Moreover I had been looking for ideas for buildings on that part of the layout.

So therefore, last night I modified two of the structures to represent rail-connected warehouses.

The warehouse at the far end of the siding (below) has headroom and storage room for one BR short wheelbase van.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/28/thumb_23001.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23001)

The longer warehouse (below) has a loading gauge profile which accepts Continental European wagons - a bogie telescopic roof wagon (Dapol) and a longer covered wagon (Minitrix)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/28/thumb_23000.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23000)

I haven't decided where to locate my two other units - in these images they're only provisional.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on March 17, 2015, 08:09:55 pm
I've settled on my final design of rail-connected warehousing:

It's meant I've encroached a bit on my green space, but this provides focus for the other side of the board.

The main modification is that the track terminates short of the warehouse door, suggesting partial track abandonment. (below)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/28/thumb_23005.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23005)

The warehouses also hide the siding from the other side of the main road (below)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/28/thumb_23006.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23006)

Enough hardstanding has been provided for mini commercial vehicles to safely manoeuvre around much of the site.
I'll decide on a name for the whole complex, but also name individual warehouses.


Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Newportnobby on March 17, 2015, 09:33:32 pm
Neat idea :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on March 22, 2015, 03:00:15 pm
Work's resumed on the centrepiece of the layout, a 1930s Art Deco office block.

I'm fixing and painting the white plasticard walls before doing the same with the roofs in a different colour.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/28/thumb_23250.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23250)

Both long wings of the building will be made identical. I've yet to design the central atrium section, but will be made in the same style.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 22, 2015, 03:21:05 pm
Ever since you first mentioned your idea of having a a 1930s Art Deco office block I've liked it. I wondered whether you had been inspired by this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Building (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Building)

There are plenty of online pictures to inspire you! 8-)

Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on March 22, 2015, 04:47:52 pm
It was the Hoover building that prompted me to include an example of Art Deco architecture.

However, it wasn't the only structure that drew my attention and my example will include details from other similar buildings.

I've yet to decide how much detail I'll include on my building as the level of ornamental decoration varied considerably depending on the architects' whims and original clients' preferences.

Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on March 24, 2015, 06:46:52 pm
I've been finding out the feasibility of backdating my running sessions to 1967, the last year of regular Southern Region steam.
My current earliest limit that I can run on Fisherlea is 1976. The corporate "rail alphabet" platform signage used by then first appeared in 1966, but the older Southern green signs didn't disappear for several years after its introduction.

Looking through my collection, I can call upon a Farish Standard 5 4-6-0 73158 and a Poole-era Farish D1662 Isambard Kingdom Brunel in two-tone green.

As well as a small collection of traditional short-wheelbase wagons, I also own a Farish Bulleid open 2nd in green (S1482)

At last weekend's Keighley show, I very nearly bought two Farish (latest tooling) Mk1s, a BCK in blue/grey and a CK in green, but changed my mind.

A Southdown "Queen Mary" Leyland PD3 bus in traditional green & cream colours :thumbsup: would be desirable addition to the street scene.

From reading several sources, by the end of steam in July 1967 it appeared that steam services to and from Portsmouth were limited.
There was an early morning newspaper train from Waterloo via the Direct line, one peak morning passenger service from Portsmouth to Eastleigh timed for workers going to Eastleigh works and a corresponding return just after 1700. In addition there was an empty stock newspaper train formation from Fratton yard to Clapham Junction, and maybe freight services and the odd special as well.




Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Newportnobby on March 24, 2015, 09:27:01 pm
I've been finding out the feasibility of backdating my running sessions to 1967, the last year of regular Southern Region steam.
My current earliest limit that I can run on Fisherlea is 1976. The corporate "rail alphabet" platform signage used by then first appeared in 1966, but the older Southern green signs didn't disappear for several years after its introduction.

Looking through my collection, I can call upon a Farish Standard 5 4-6-0 73158 and a Poole-era Farish D1662 Isambard Kingdom Brunel in two-tone green.


I would also venture to suggest the Farish 3MT 2-6-2T as being suitable for empty coaching stock movements :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 24, 2015, 09:32:58 pm
I think both the BR Standard and Ivatt 3MT 2-6-2Ts lasted into 1967 on the SR, plus, maybe the BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4Ts? Certainly rebuilt and unrebuilt Bulleid Light and standard Pacifics did. I think the BR Standard 5MT 4-6-0s did, too? Eastleigh also had a small stud of ex-WR Brush Type 4s on loan but not D1662.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on March 25, 2015, 12:40:27 pm
D1662 is included in my collection as Brunel was born in Portsmouth.

Steam classes which survived until 9 July 1967 were Bulleid Pacifics (the rebuilt locos vastly outnumbered the surviving original versions), the sole Std 3 2-6-0 (77014), Std 4 2-6-0, Std 4 and 5 4-6-0s, Std 3 and Ivatt 2-6-2Ts, Std 4 2-6-4Ts and USA 0-6-0Ts.

I don't want to own too much stock to represent the situation during July 1967, but my preferred choices are a Standard 4 tank and a class 33. My preference is for steam loco types which are preserved.

Both new toolings of the 33 and Std 4 tank haven't been released yet. However if I wanted these locos  sooner, I could have bought used Farish models, but I've already owned such stuff in the past and would like to evaluate the new products instead.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 25, 2015, 04:36:54 pm
Many thanks for that update. I have only been researching what ran in North Cornwall; however, it is useful to know what else was still running on the SR. I have a BR Green Class 33 and 3 BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4Ts, all relatively old Graham Farish but checked / overhauled / repaired by Bob at BRLines so that they are as good as new and the Class 33 and the best 2-6-4T have already been DCC-fitted by Wickness. For me they are better value than what will, inevitably, be far more expensive (albeit better detailed) new tooling models. I also have two far more recent Ivatt 2-6-2Ts and one BR Standard 2-6-2T (they tended to stick to the Bude line). I have a similar fleet of 'as good as new' Graham Farish Bulleid Light Pacifics.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on March 28, 2015, 07:27:12 pm
I've bought a Farish Mk1 BSK in blue/grey and Bulleid composite in green to go with S1482S, the second open. Strictly speaking the CK should have the yellow band applied over the first class section.

Platform and loop lengths dictate the length of the formation - these images show the longest possible trains I can comfortably fit on Fisherlea.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/28/thumb_23406.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23406)
This has 5MT 73158 leading (73155 of that batch survived at Guildford shed until 9 July 1967)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/28/thumb_23407.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23407)
The other image has D1662 Isambard Kingdom Brunel on the same train.

Inspiration was based on a rather grainy photo taken by Michael G. Harvey and published in his book "Diary of a train spotter", volume 2 (Silver Link, 1996) showing 80016 hauling a 3-coach rake in Portsmouth during the last week of Southern Region steam which consisted of a blue/grey Mk1 BSK, a Bulleid CK and another Bulleid? brake 2nd.

A colour photo of the same carriage formation appeared in a recent Ian Allan publication, the title of which eludes me, but hasn't appeared online in any form.



Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 28, 2015, 09:09:37 pm
Unfortunately, I cannot see the two pictures.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on March 28, 2015, 09:39:03 pm
Unfortunately, I cannot see the two pictures.

I don't know what went wrong, but I've deleted the original photos off the media file and uploaded them again, hope this works.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Newportnobby on March 28, 2015, 09:49:39 pm
They're fine now :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 29, 2015, 10:28:25 am
Alas, they are still not working for me: "Duplicate headers received from server"
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on March 29, 2015, 10:52:17 am
Alas, they are still not working for me.

Having followed the tutorial (correctly?) I've moved both recent photos to a new media file, as I was also starting to realise my photos needed reorganising. Whilst doing that I encountered a 503 system error.
Apologies for a brief interruption whilst this was done.

I haven't changed any default settings on the new album, hopefully this should be resolved.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 29, 2015, 11:02:50 am
Sorry; still the same error message.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on March 29, 2015, 11:16:16 am
Sorry; still the same error message.


Here's new photos just taken of these train formations :

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/28/thumb_23408.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23408)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/28/thumb_23409.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23409)

Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 29, 2015, 11:23:24 am
Ah! these two pictures I CAN see! many thanks. I, temporarily, had one of the early Graham Farish models of D1662 but sold it and commissioned a conversion from a late model Graham Farish by Bachmann DCC-ready InterCity livery WR Class 47 by Pauline Miller.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on March 29, 2015, 11:33:34 am
Thanks, Chris in Prague for the good news from you re: viewing my images. I'll move all Fisherlea-related images over to a new media album over time.

These train formations are standing where the station will be located.

The platform planned will only be long enough to accept 3 Mk1s or their equivalents, hence I'm keen eventually to own a suitable tank loco once I've decided whether to buy either a Dapol Ivatt 2-6-2T, a Farish 3MT or their new tooled-up Std 4 tank when it's released later this year.

Although I prefer to choose a prototype which survives in preservation, I'll still consider a 3MT 2-6-2T as great progress has been made on the new build 82045 http://www.82045.org.uk/ (http://www.82045.org.uk/) which I've been following for some time now.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 29, 2015, 12:10:44 pm
Thank you, too, for persevering. I have two of the previous batch of Dapol Ivatt 2-6-2Ts (one P&P fitted, one not), one of the Graham Farish 3MT 2-6-2Ts in lined green but only the later design of the previous Graham Farish Standard 4MT 2-6-4Ts (those which are more suitable for DCC conversion) which are good enough for me. The current batch of Dapol Ivatt 2-6-2Ts are said to be the last ones to be produced so, if you want one new (I paid way over the odds, on eBay for my two as I did not then know another batch was coming) I'd recommend buying one, now. If the BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4Ts are indeed released later this year it will be interesting to see how much better they are (and for what price).
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Caz on March 29, 2015, 08:26:06 pm
Working fine now, if anyone can't see them try refreshing your browser cache.   ;)
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on March 31, 2015, 07:05:38 pm
Thank you, too, for persevering. I have two of the previous batch of Dapol Ivatt 2-6-2Ts (one P&P fitted, one not), one of the Graham Farish 3MT 2-6-2Ts in lined green but only the later design of the previous Graham Farish Standard 4MT 2-6-4Ts (those which are more suitable for DCC conversion) which are good enough for me. The current batch of Dapol Ivatt 2-6-2Ts are said to be the last ones to be produced so, if you want one new (I paid way over the odds, on eBay for my two as I did not then know another batch was coming) I'd recommend buying one, now. If the BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4Ts are indeed released later this year it will be interesting to see how much better they are (and for what price).


My preference is for a BR Standard 4 2-6-4T, one of my favourite tank loco types, and I'm patient enough to wait until later in the year for its release as an all-new model.

Moving on to the 21st century, First Great Western's turned out a 2 + 2 HST from St Philip's Marsh depot as a stand-in to cover a shortage of serviceable 158s.
Fisherlea-bound passengers will benefit from superior acceleration, better seats and NO underfloor engine noises.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/thumb_23509.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23509)

Model wise, I've already removed the incorrect buffers from both Mk3s (which were damaged or missing before purchase) and will order seat mouldings from BR Lines to fit out the interior.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on April 06, 2015, 03:57:29 pm
Not long after I restarted work on the office block, I found I ran out of plastic solvent!

However, I gave priority today to building the staff halt from old Farish sections I had in stock for years.
1mm thick plasticard was used to hold the sections together covering the original sides. It also means the platform has been built as one complete unit.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/thumb_23746.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23746)

The photo shows how the platform is located in relation to the office block.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/thumb_23747.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23747)

This photo shows the pedestrian ramp (in white plasticard) for passenger access. The platform still requires painting and detailing.

The longest train this platform can accept is a multiple unit consisting of three Mk1s or equivalent.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on April 06, 2015, 08:41:30 pm
I've fish(ed!) out from my spares stock, a Southern Railway concrete signal box of unknown origin, rescued from the second hand section of a well-known Sheffield emporium about a year ago. It was damaged at the time but I glued the parts back together again.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/thumb_23754.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23754)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/thumb_23753.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23753)

It's made of plastic and appears to be a smaller version of the Hornby-Dublo signalbox http://www.randrhobbies.co.uk/HORNBY+DUBLO+SIGNAL+BOX+second+hand (http://www.randrhobbies.co.uk/HORNBY+DUBLO+SIGNAL+BOX+second+hand)
 
but the underside of the roof says "No.77019 Made in Hong Kong" - it's a downsized copy for use with an unknown model range. I've never seen this identical model before or since, wonder if anyone else is aware of this too?

Although possibly a bit extravagant for its proposed function, controlling the passing loop right next to the staff halt and "Jubilee Sidings", the time's now right to put this interesting structure to use.

It'll need painting, glazing and detailing, but I couldn't pass up a chance to use this most interesting structure on my layout.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 06, 2015, 09:40:24 pm
It looks very good already and will, I'm sure, be even better when you have finished working on it. It could have been constructed in the late 1930s for a planned track scheme that, because of WW2, was never actually constructed, leaving a much bigger signalbox than was required.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on April 17, 2015, 10:19:34 pm
I've considered buying a new-tool Farish 31 in blue as they ran on Portsmouth Harbour-Bristol services between May 1977 and 1980, when 33s took over.

From my junior school windows near Portchester, between 1974 and 1977, I saw 6-car DMUs consisting of two class 119s as in this link below
(NB I've been unable to find online images of these units actually working Portsmouth Harbour-Bristol trains in the 70s)

http://www.hondawanderer.com/B590_B586_Marshfield_1984.jpg (http://www.hondawanderer.com/B590_B586_Marshfield_1984.jpg)

However in my scenario, the Western Region substituted a 3-car 101 in blue/grey to replace a failed 6-car 119 set.
In actual fact, 101s didn't make it into Portsmouth during the time period covered in the 70s.

My 101 will be in blue/grey as running on the WR in the 70s in pre-refurbishment condition - note the rain gutters only fitted over the doors and 1st class bay in the centre coaches (later declassified).

This web link below shows two images of blue/grey class 101s on railtours at Wadebridge:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/slideshow/slideshow.php?coy=Bodmin%20and%20Wadebridge%20Railway (http://www.railbrit.co.uk/slideshow/slideshow.php?coy=Bodmin%20and%20Wadebridge%20Railway)

Image 3 of 6 shows a pair on a railtour in 1975, the front unit still having its two-character headcodes.
Image 4 of 6 shows a pair on the "Royal Duchy" railtour in 1977, the front unit has its headcodes panelled over.

The DMUs have a "B" (Bristol) set numbering prefix below the cab windows so could have been diagrammed on the same basis as the 119s.



 
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on April 18, 2015, 11:58:07 am
I've settled on my final design of rail-connected warehousing:

It's meant I've encroached a bit on my green space, but this provides focus for the other side of the board.

The main modification is that the track terminates short of the warehouse door, suggesting partial track abandonment. (below)
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/28/thumb_23005.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23005[/url])

The warehouses also hide the siding from the other side of the main road (below)
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/28/thumb_23006.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23006[/url])

Enough hardstanding has been provided for mini commercial vehicles to safely manoeuvre around much of the site.
I'll decide on a name for the whole complex, but also name individual warehouses.


This will be called Fawcett Industrial Estate. The siding going to the rail-connected warehouse will be called Fawcett Siding and its nearby parallel siding on the edge of the board will be called Rugby Siding.

The whole area will be controlled by Fawcett Sidings box (not yet planned, but may be of LSWR brick-built design).

Fawcett and Rugby were street names where my secondary school was located.

Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on April 18, 2015, 12:46:17 pm
Not long after I restarted work on the office block, I found I ran out of plastic solvent!

However, I gave priority today to building the staff halt from old Farish sections I had in stock for years.
1mm thick plasticard was used to hold the sections together covering the original sides. It also means the platform has been built as one complete unit.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/thumb_23746.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23746[/url])

The photo shows how the platform is located in relation to the office block.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/thumb_23747.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23747[/url])

This photo shows the pedestrian ramp (in white plasticard) for passenger access. The platform still requires painting and detailing.

The longest train this platform can accept is a multiple unit consisting of three Mk1s or equivalent.


Decided - this office block will be called Connaught House, haven't yet decided who'll be owners or tenants!
I've yet to choose a name for the halt.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Newportnobby on April 18, 2015, 01:02:12 pm
Assuming the block is named after a famous person called 'Connaught' - how about Connaught Halt? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on April 18, 2015, 01:07:42 pm
As I'm pretending this halt was built at the same time to serve this office block, it sounds a good idea, thanks.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on April 18, 2015, 05:19:18 pm
I don't often start with producing a signboard, but this is my initial work on Burge's Café, with handwritten signage

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24150.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24150)

For those not wanting the upmarket niceties of Camilleri's Ristorante, this'll be a single-storey fish and chip take-away/eat-in place.
It has a healthy trade serving passing customers travelling along South Grayton Road and workers on the Fawcett Industrial Estate.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on April 18, 2015, 07:49:07 pm
Much of this work has been done whilst having the Reading v Arsenal FA Cup semi-final live in the background on BBC1:

It's been scratchbuilt using plasticard, clear plastic kit glazing and plastic packing pieces from 'orribly oversized Hornby locos. The building includes a rear extension consisting of a toilet and stores cupboard.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24158.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24158)

I very rarely model an interior in N but included a fish and chip counter with frying pans and a shelf for users to eat indoors.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24157.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24157)

However, the plastic joins need cleaning up and painting, but I'll wait till the glue sets.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 18, 2015, 08:01:16 pm
Very nice model.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on April 19, 2015, 02:46:56 pm
I've concentrated on the industrial estate end of the board.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24185.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24185)

On the far corner stands Capt. Mainwaring's Home Guard Museum (Scenecraft Nissen hut),

Walk down Spicer's Lane, across from the entrance to Smith's crisp factory, over the level crossing, and turn right onto South Grayton Road, one sees the imposing Jubilee Sidings signal box (plastic Southern Railway Art Deco-style building of unknown origin), and nearby for a quick bite to eat is Burge's Café (scratchbuilt).

At the back is Fawcett Industrial Estate (scratchbuilt) which consists of four units, three of which have been taken up so far, Wright Moves distribution company has two units and Brooks & Quaintance building supplies company has one unit, all rail-served.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on April 19, 2015, 06:20:52 pm
Introducing another scratchbuilt shop ...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24207.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24207)

it's called Devine 'Nlightenment, a lighting supplies store, to be located on South Grayton Road opposite Burge's Café and Jubilee Sidings signalbox.
The signage hasn't been created yet as I want it to appear professionally presented.

This has been scratchbuilt using the same techniques and materials as for Burge's Café.

Again, I'm waiting for the glue to set before cleaning up the joins and finishing.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 19, 2015, 07:16:59 pm
Microsoft PowerPoint is very useful for creating good graphics, such a signs, which can then be printed on photographic quality paper.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on April 19, 2015, 07:28:36 pm
My layout will need a fair amount of quality signage - my use of handwritten or rub-on transfers (decals) aren't the best solutions a lot of the time.

It'll take some time to produce graphics as I don't own a printer at home yet and am reluctant to use the printers at work for this purpose.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 19, 2015, 07:48:18 pm
Send me a PM; I have invested in a large box of Canon Glossy Photographic paper and have a Canon ink jet printer, at home. I can print your signs with those for my friends and I and post you the strip with yours on.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on April 19, 2015, 09:44:26 pm
I'm starting to use Open Office 3.3 (a first for me) to design signage.
Fortunately there's a reasonable choice of typefaces, but I'll need to look for and import fonts representing fashionable styles of the 1970s which aren't available in their software.

Part of me is also pernickety about using incorrect typefaces representing a specific era on the layout, e.g. using Comic Sans which was first devised in 1994, for 1970s era graphics!

Graphic design is another whole field in its own right, nowadays, for example, there's a greater use of handwritten script-like typefaces compared with the 1970s and 1980s.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 19, 2015, 09:57:51 pm
It is possible to find some 1970s and 1960s fronts online but beware of downloading any .EXE files as they often contain nasties! Anything free, first, run through anti-virus software to be safe.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on April 22, 2015, 06:06:14 pm
I've considered buying a new-tool Farish 31 in blue as they ran on Portsmouth Harbour-Bristol services between May 1977 and 1980, when 33s took over.

From my junior school windows near Portchester, between 1974 and 1977, I saw 6-car DMUs consisting of two class 119s as in this link below
(NB I've been unable to find online images of these units actually working Portsmouth Harbour-Bristol trains in the 70s)

[url]http://www.hondawanderer.com/B590_B586_Marshfield_1984.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.hondawanderer.com/B590_B586_Marshfield_1984.jpg[/url])

However in my scenario, the Western Region substituted a 3-car 101 in blue/grey to replace a failed 6-car 119 set.
In actual fact, 101s didn't make it into Portsmouth during the time period covered in the 70s.

My 101 will be in blue/grey as running on the WR in the 70s in pre-refurbishment condition - note the rain gutters only fitted over the doors and 1st class bay in the centre coaches (later declassified).

This web link below shows two images of blue/grey class 101s on railtours at Wadebridge:

[url]http://www.railbrit.co.uk/slideshow/slideshow.php?coy=Bodmin%20and%20Wadebridge%20Railway[/url] ([url]http://www.railbrit.co.uk/slideshow/slideshow.php?coy=Bodmin%20and%20Wadebridge%20Railway[/url])

Image 3 of 6 shows a pair on a railtour in 1975, the front unit still having its two-character headcodes.
Image 4 of 6 shows a pair on the "Royal Duchy" railtour in 1977, the front unit has its headcodes panelled over.

The DMUs have a "B" (Bristol) set numbering prefix below the cab windows so could have been diagrammed on the same basis as the 119s.


My model (Poole-made) blue/grey 101 arrived in good condition and will be pressed into service with flush yellow cab ends in order to broaden the period of its operation.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24302.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24302)

For me, it's much cheaper and less space-consuming than investing in a new-tool 31 and four or five blue/grey Mk1s or early Mk2s with the same spec.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on May 02, 2015, 05:54:42 pm
Here's another posed scene below:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24584.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24584)

Take yourselves back to July 1967 ...
a Southdown "Queen Mary" Leyland PD3 bus is actually heading towards Fareham on route 45 (or was it 145 by then?) rather than the destination as seen, Littlehampton, passing Devine 'Nlightenment store.
Two cars are parked on the opposite side of the road outside Burge's Café.

The Oxford Diecast bus was bought from Bradford MRC's show at Cleckheaton today.
I own few cars or other vehicles suitable for that period, as well as for the 1976-77 era, so this area will be the subject of future investment.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on June 02, 2015, 07:33:03 pm
No more building or scenic work done, but I've sorted out my July 1967 Southern Region ad-hoc 3-coach set.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/24/thumb_25578.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=25578)

Mk1 BSK in blue/grey + Bulleid CK + BSO in green.

My green Bulleid SO S1482S (not pictured) will be pressed into use as a peak-hour strengthener.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 02, 2015, 08:15:26 pm
Very nice. Would a Bulleid SO instead of a Bulleid SK be used as a peak 'strengthener'? (I only know about the SR in North Cornwall.)
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on June 02, 2015, 09:10:23 pm
Chris,

SOs (and some SKs) were built as "loose" carriages although some eventually ended up in fixed formations.

Comet Models (OO scale) gives summaries of Bulleid and Mk1 formations based on the June 1963 BR(S) "Appendix to carriage working notices"

http://www.cometmodels.co.uk/data/PDF/BR(S)%20coach%20allocations.PDF (http://www.cometmodels.co.uk/data/PDF/BR(S)%20coach%20allocations.PDF)

I don't know what Bulleid carriages were used once the Western Region took over in Cornwall, guess some of the 2-coach sets (BCK + BTO) and loose BCKs would have been used, but have no idea of any use of loose SOs and/or SKs used post-1963 in North Cornwall.
Maybe the SOs and SKs stayed with the Southern Region?
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 04, 2015, 02:59:28 pm
Thanks, this general topic has been discussed elsewhere on the forum and I have gathered a lot of information about coaches used in North Cornwall so I was wondering what was the situation elsewhere in the SW Division of the SR. In North Cornwall, 'loose' SKs were the rule and not SOs. ( I thought the SR only really used SOs in Boat Trains but, as I wrote, I've only had time to study what went on in North Cornwall.)

To briefly answer your question, after the WR takeover there was an influx of WR, ex-LMR (Stanier) and even ex-ER (Thompson) carriages as well as BR WR BR Standards as the SR carriages were transferred (some scrapped) away from the WR to the SR. In the transition period (1963-1964) some very unusual combinations could be seen. The SR then swopped Bulleid coaches for BR Standard coaches with some other regions. (This has all been detailed elesewhere.) Once diesel single units and railbuses took over, apart from the school train, there were no coaches to be seen in North Cornwall.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on June 07, 2015, 09:40:56 pm
I'm working on a graphic design policy for Fisherlea.

The layout is supposed to represent specific eras from 1967 to 2008. However I would have to invest in a lot of different signage to cover this timespan as typefaces and designs changed over the years.

For simplicity, I've decided each area will be devoted to a specific era.
I can only focus on a small part of the layout at one time and even my posed photos of vehicles only cover a tiny fraction of the whole layout, so I can screen out any historical anomalies quite easily.

Fawcett Industrial Estate will represent the noughties. The company names are in typefaces representing that era, including fictitious web addresses.

Burge's Café and Devine N'Lightenment shop will represent the 1970s.

If one chooses a typeface carefully, the style can span several decades. Camilleri's Ristorante will appear in the Mistral typeface which first appeared in the 1950s and is still used nowadays. It's got a contemporary edge and has a timeless, yet discreet appearance.
I've also designed rebranded contemporary logos featuring the Italian flag should I wish to change things around.

Station signs and other railway infrastructure name boards will be in BR rail alphabet style.

The art deco office (Connaught House) will use Times Roman signage as it conveys the idea of being upmarket and can also span several decades.





Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on October 12, 2015, 07:19:01 pm
My apologies for not posting anything lately on this topic.

For most of the summer, I've been developing ideas based on Kato Unitrack's geometry in case I may not have room to stack a layout board away in the future
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=16430.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=16430.0)

I've just signed a new tenancy agreement and work's resuming on Fisherlea, with some important changes:

1. This layout will focus exclusively on the last week of Southern Region steam in July 1967, and rail blue from 1974-85.

2. All post-1985 prototype models featured so far on this topic, will in future be represented on my Kato Unitrack-based modules.

I'm partially remodelling the factory/warehouse area to include one large undercover distribution and transhipment facility (to be called Wright Moves) but the Brooks & Quaintance building supplies unit (the smaller factory unit) will remain.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_30333.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30333)

A rake of wagons has arrived via the train ferry at Dover awaiting shunting and unloading.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_30334.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30334)

I had to own a Bulleid design loco, however, by July 1967, there were only two streamlined locos in service, 34023 Blackmore Vale and 34102 Lapford, so a rebuilt version was more appropriate, 34089 602 Squadron (UK Farish model) lasted until the end of steam.



 

Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: gc4946 on July 10, 2016, 08:00:32 pm
For the following reasons I've now dismantled this layout:

1. I've reached a tipping point stage with my Kato modular layout project http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=16430.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=16430.0)
which from now on will be my layout focus because it gives more flexibility in how I set up and dismantle my layouts.
Should I move home again, I can store layout sections in boxes which also protects my efforts, instead of having to arrange specialist transportation.

2. The board featured 225mm/9 inch curves which doesn't suit quite a lot of current British N gauge locos.

3. Its all-plastic board, actually intended to be an outdoor table, dips in the centre by about 17mm when I checked against a straight edge and although I designed the layout to overcome this design issue, it ultimately constrained me by what I could actually model - e.g. no track could be laid in the centre and had to hug the outer, flatter parts of the board.
(BTW I've owned this table top since 2007)

However ...

I'm keeping all stock, buildings and vehicles acquired, modelled or in the process of construction and will incorporate them into my Kato modular layout scheme.

I'm also keeping many of my straight pieces of Fleischmann track, in particular their points, because they're shorter than their Kato equivalents, and future plans will include modules interfacing their track with Kato.

I want to keep a record of my efforts and hope some are inspired to do something similar and learn from my experiences in using different techniques.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 10, 2016, 08:12:04 pm
Thanks for the update; looking forward to future developments.
Title: Re: Fisherlea
Post by: belstone on July 11, 2016, 11:18:23 am
Sometimes you reach a point with a layout where you know it is never going to be quite right.  Better to learn from that and build a better layout than struggle on with something you'll never be happy with. Good luck with the new project.

Richard