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Title: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: tadpole on February 21, 2013, 06:00:49 pm
Rummaging through my box of tricks, and came across a set of transfers and cabs, by Amsie's Model Railways, for a class 304 AC EMU. Also have various bits of coaches, roofs, pantographs so needn't spend any money, which is just as well as she's not  something I need for Salisbury. It's only a 3-car (2x DTSOs and a MBS), because I did a trial on the other trailer, which didn't work.

So, off we go!
Cleaned up a couple of Chinese Mk1s, and stuck the cabs on.

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu73/fletch5535/P1030631_zpsb096d34d.jpg)

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu73/fletch5535/P1030628_zpsc11dee5b.jpg)

Added the decals - not easy. These come in two layers, both extremely flimsy and practically see-through (hence the need for both - Fox transfers they are NOT). First is a white undercoat, which also does the grey parts of the blue-grey livery, and the second os the proper finished livery.

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu73/fletch5535/IMG-20130221-00138_zps5eb50874.jpg)

As you can see, I botched some parts of the undercoat.
Near-finished mock-up, touched up with paint where the decals let me down.

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu73/fletch5535/AberdeenCity-20130221-00139_zps2847a84b.jpg)

I'll probably finish off these two cars, but don't really want to spend any money on her - she's effectively been free so far. She can run with my VEP power car in the middle before I decide. (But if I pick up some cheap Mk1s at Glasgow tomorrow, anything could happen!).

Verdict? For the full 4-car set, you'd need to perfectly apply 16 very flimsy decals. If you have the skills, patience and steadiness of hand to do that, you should be a brain surgeon and not wasting your time playing trains. Stick with Fox decals, or ERG vinyls.

Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: tadpole on February 21, 2013, 06:03:00 pm
Apologies for the poor photos by the way - had to resort to an old camera due to flat battery.
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: Newportnobby on February 21, 2013, 06:14:23 pm
Nice work, Tadpole :thumbsup:
Not knowing much at all about worms, did the 304's appear at Salisbury?
I thought they ran out of Fenchurch St or Crewe :dunce:
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: Malc on February 21, 2013, 06:20:36 pm
They certainly look the part - especially for a freebee. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: tadpole on February 21, 2013, 06:26:38 pm
Yes, Crewe, Manchester and, my old stamping ground, Birmingham. And yes, there were similar beasts in Essex.

The Brummie ones worked Walsall, Coventry and Wolverhampton services and started out as 4-car all-blue, ending up three-car blue-grey. Some were proper suburban (like mine), others had outer an suburban VEP-style window layout.

If i do the middle car, it'll have a pantograph, but in the meantime I might stick my VEP power car in the middle and run it as an experimental third rail unit. The middle car from my thumper will make it up to a 4-car set.
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: Newportnobby on February 21, 2013, 06:29:16 pm
Thank you for that. I remember seeing many on my spotting travels but my mode of transport by then were the AM10's
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: Tank on February 21, 2013, 06:36:29 pm
Coming on very well. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: thebrighton on February 21, 2013, 06:42:27 pm
Greetings,
I built the Amsies kit as a NSE 308. You're right, the transfers aren't up to Fox standards and were the same as Adam at ERG used to use pre vinyls. I found the white 'undercoat' layer didn't quite match up to the 'topcoat'. Still it was a very easy kit to build and looks ok from normal viewing distances. I had to fit an interior as the transfers are very see through so you could see the other sides in reverse through the windows! Not sure about 304s but the NGS Gresley bogies were a good match for 308 bogies. A link to a photo of mine is below.

http://www.ngaugesociety.com/uploads/images/AMMC/AMMC2012/ClassC-RunnerUp-2012L.jpg (http://www.ngaugesociety.com/uploads/images/AMMC/AMMC2012/ClassC-RunnerUp-2012L.jpg)

Gareth
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: tadpole on February 21, 2013, 06:47:53 pm
That looks really smart, gareth.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: tadpole on February 24, 2013, 10:54:13 am
Nearly finished.

Power car completed - these decals went on perfectly first time, apparently Im getting the knack of them now the unit's finished  :doh:

Three car set in all it's glory - yes, I know, I've marshalled the power car the wrong way around.

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu73/fletch5535/P1030644_zps4aba1f17.jpg)

Corrected formation:

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu73/fletch5535/P1030648_zps88d66698.jpg)

Painted roofs, added some cab-front detail. Needs some tidying up and headcodes (two white dots):

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu73/fletch5535/P1030649_zps90aad2b9.jpg)
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: Newportnobby on February 24, 2013, 11:10:35 am
They look superb, Tadpole :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I only ever saw them in green though (it's an age thing :-[)
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: tadpole on February 24, 2013, 11:12:33 am
They look superb, Tadpole :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I only ever saw them in green though (it's an age thing :-[)

Green? I never even knew they came in green (it's an age thing  :-[).
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: captainelectra on February 24, 2013, 12:29:47 pm
Looks really nice. You need to turn the pantograph around, though!  ;)
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: tadpole on February 24, 2013, 01:00:27 pm
You need to turn the pantograph around, though!  ;)

cheeky!

Adam, I'll PM you regarding my next project - 2HAP/EPB, but green or NSE?
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: captainelectra on February 24, 2013, 05:53:31 pm
Not that I'm trying to curry favour with our forum owner but it has to be NSE!  :) Green is so dull....
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: Tank on February 24, 2013, 07:05:55 pm
Yes, green is soooo last season.  ;D
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: sidetnee on February 24, 2013, 07:21:09 pm
Really captured the look, great job. :claphappy:
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: NSE DAZ on February 25, 2013, 07:49:13 pm
Very neat work that man  :greatpicturessign: Green :help: Toothpaste all the way you know it makes sense  :thumbsup:

Look forward to further project  8)

All the best Darren NSE DAZ
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: tadpole on February 26, 2013, 07:40:05 pm
The full 4-car version hits the tracks.

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu73/fletch5535/P1030650_zpse6a9cebb.jpg)

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu73/fletch5535/P1030651_zps932a4bd7.jpg)

.....and back to 3 cars again (I seem to recall they were reduced to three cars about the same time as they were repainted blue/grey).

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu73/fletch5535/P1030654_zps54afcd02.jpg)
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: EtchedPixels on February 26, 2013, 08:23:57 pm
Nice little model
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: captainelectra on February 26, 2013, 08:35:03 pm
Now, if someone could cast up some ends as good as those, I have some really nice artwork for these units ready to go vinyl.

I quite fancy doing the Greater Manchester Class 504. As with a lot of the more obscure EMU that I produce, I will probably be the only one, though...  :(

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5270/5726174513_3ebb91ed3f_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: tadpole on February 26, 2013, 10:35:46 pm
Presumably, given top contact third rail pick-up shoes (instead of side contact), and some gadgetry to make them work on 750v instead of their preferred 1200v, and a splash of aquafresh of course, these units could have been quite at home on the former SR.


Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: PaulCheffus on February 26, 2013, 10:37:55 pm
Now, if someone could cast up some ends as good as those, I have some really nice artwork for these units ready to go vinyl.

I quite fancy doing the Greater Manchester Class 504. As with a lot of the more obscure EMU that I produce, I will probably be the only one, though...  :(

([url]http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5270/5726174513_3ebb91ed3f_b.jpg[/url])


Hi

You and me both. I did try to get just the ends from Amsies but with little success.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: dr deltic on March 19, 2013, 09:36:17 pm
After scratch building my own ends, managed to get a set of etches from Worsley Works for the 304 for a couple of quid!

Will be used on the next set when the 310, 309 and 303 are finished!
Title: Re: Class 304 EMU - quickie project
Post by: amsie on July 06, 2017, 03:23:15 am
Model looks great!!!

The two layer decal system was developed long before vinyl cutters were around, the white layer printed on an ALPS printer.

The 308 end was 3D designed and cut out on a hobby CNC machine, long before Shapeways was around.

Paul, I apologise if you had trouble contacting me, I took a break from the model railway scene for a number of reasons.

I'm in the process of sorting out my old N gauge bits.  I may well still have the master around somewhere :-)