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Title: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 06, 2013, 10:22:00 am
After what seems like ages planning, see http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=9529.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=9529.0),
I have actually started. So may I present 'ESLING'.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling2_zpsc507f9a1.jpg)

Yes, it is an acronym. Edwardian Seaside Layout In N Gauge.
This is the town end and tram depot. Not much to look at at the moment I admit!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling1_zps661d407a.jpg)

The seaward end. Its where the promenade will be for all my holiday makers to stroll along.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling3_zps25234864.jpg)

This is the site of the pier. It will be 175' long so not huge but long enough to look right!
As you can see from the above photo's the backscene is in white canvas.
Yes, I'll be painting my own and the challenge will be making it match where it meets the sea.
Having something in front of where it meets, like a bathing machine, will help draw the eye away from it.
(Bathing machines had largely fallen out of use by then & were parked up on the beach but I fancy making a few!)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling4_zps57ef40d5.jpg)

This is the trackplan from above. Its fairly simple yet interesting.
I thought a small, self contained system would be different.
So yes, there is no fiddle yard on this layout - a first for me!
Where the tram is will be the tram depot. Big enough for four trams.
I plan to have two closed and two open topped for summer service.
They will use an overhead wire system, a dummy one not live, but will have bow collectors not a pole.
Far easier to make, have in place and not uncommon in the U.K.

In the corner behind the depot will be the generating station, in low relief of course.
Also in low relief, at the opposite end at the back will be the railway station building.
All these holiday makers have to arrive in Esling somehow!

Otherwise they will be mainly town buildings with hotels being nearer the sea of course.
I may do an entrance to a park on the corner in front of the tram depot, not yet sure.

Next stage is wiring up the track, fixing it down and paving it. Updates will follow as things progress.




Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Malc on February 06, 2013, 10:28:19 am
Been looking forward to this - I have been following the thread with interest. I have fond memories of visiting Blackpool and riding on the trams, so keep up the good work.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Caz on February 06, 2013, 02:11:27 pm
Nice one Moogle, I've also been looking forward to your tramway layout and can't wait to see it develop.   :claphappy:
Just out of interest, what's the tram in the pictures, one you've made or what? 
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: gawain on February 06, 2013, 04:16:28 pm
I note that the track across the centre reverses the direction for the main oval. 
I was wondering how and where, you will switch track polarity?
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Sprintex on February 07, 2013, 07:41:31 am
I was wondering about that reverse loop as well ;)

It's certainly a different idea and should be interesting to watch it develop :thumbsup:


Paul
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 08, 2013, 09:37:36 am
Just out of interest, what's the tram in the pictures, one you've made or what?


(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling5_zps3c1353ff.jpg)

Its one I've made and is a Typhoo Tea tram running on a Kato shorty chassis.
The old Matchbox London Transport tram is the same moulding but with a metal roof not a plastic one.
I'll probably make this one an open topper seeing that I went to the effort of scratch building seating!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/The%20Workbench/tram4.jpg)

Theres a lot of work involved cutting the diecast body (thank god for mini drills!) but the weight it gives to adhesion is worth it.  :thumbsup:

 (http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/The%20Workbench/LondonTram.mp4)

I note that the track across the centre reverses the direction for the main oval. 
I was wondering how and where, you will switch track polarity?
I was wondering about that reverse loop as well ;)


Simply by using sections that will be fed via DPDT switches.
With this method I can reverse the polarity where needed on the 'S' reverse loop and have sections to hold trams in.
The crude illustration below should help explain!  :uneasy:  :-X

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling6_zps3b231c0d.jpg)

The advantage of using Tomix sectional track is that I can just remove rail joiners, insert a thin shim of plastic and have a section break!
The street paving kits they do for it are great, though care is needed on the points as there are a few gaps to be filled after.
It only covers curves of 104 mm, 140 mm and 177 mm radius so the main loop of 243 mm radius will need to be done another way.
I'll probably use card as most of the track is on main roads so probably wouldn't be paved or cobbled.
Some of the main loop will be 'surface free' and stay ballasted.
Hopefully this weekend I can put the feeds in place and finish the surfacing.
Need to clip the point motors back in place first though!  :doh:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: longbridge on February 08, 2013, 09:52:39 am
Looks like being an excellent layout Moogle, those trams really look the part  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: N Gauge Bob on February 08, 2013, 10:04:50 am
Looking real nice....will it go to shows?

Re your scenic break, bathing huts, etc...how about something like this...simple to make and colourful...and at today's prices the real things exchange hands for 30,000...my mate just sold his in Hove!!! As far as I know they have been there over 60 years...I remember them as a lad!!!

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.redspottedhanky.com/images/203/original/beach-huts-in-brighton_brighton_37781533.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.redspottedhanky.com/trains/trains-to/brighton/&h=536&w=800&sz=354&tbnid=W_uTS5G0NBRsEM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=134&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbrighton%2Bbeach%2Bhuts%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=brighton+beach+huts&usg=__-QjSz4IPNUv-kBAyfJqLWjXH82A=&docid=W4pNbtSCF3jUHM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=H80UUdykGJS2hAfn4oCADQ&sqi=2&ved=0CC8Q9QEwAA&dur=759 (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.redspottedhanky.com/images/203/original/beach-huts-in-brighton_brighton_37781533.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.redspottedhanky.com/trains/trains-to/brighton/&h=536&w=800&sz=354&tbnid=W_uTS5G0NBRsEM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=134&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbrighton%2Bbeach%2Bhuts%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=brighton+beach+huts&usg=__-QjSz4IPNUv-kBAyfJqLWjXH82A=&docid=W4pNbtSCF3jUHM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=H80UUdykGJS2hAfn4oCADQ&sqi=2&ved=0CC8Q9QEwAA&dur=759)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: upnick on February 08, 2013, 10:09:40 am
Excellent Moogle   look forward to seeing this develop    ;)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 08, 2013, 10:33:10 am
Looking real nice....will it go to shows?

Re your scenic break, bathing huts, etc...how about something like this...simple to make and colourful...and at today's prices the real things exchange hands for 30,000...my mate just sold his in Hove!!! As far as I know they have been there over 60 years...I remember them as a lad!!!

I plan to make the control panel a plug in one so I can have home operation from the front and rear operation at shows.
So yes, hopefully it will go to shows although that depends on me getting work to afford to buy and run a car to get it to them!  :laugh:
Thats also why I'm building this with what I've got already on a non-existent budget buying as little as possible...

There will be a few beach huts as well as some bathing machines. Ironically its from the latter that the former came from!
A lot regarding the scenic break will depend on how far down the beach comes out as I want a reasonable bit of water around the pier and to have some bathers in.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: scotsoft on February 08, 2013, 11:27:51 am
A really interesting layout you have planned there moogle  :thumbsup:

Nice work with the trams and the seating, afew ambient seaside sounds and your pac-a-mac and your ready  :D

cheers John.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 08, 2013, 11:51:54 am
A really interesting layout you have planned there moogle  :thumbsup:

Nice work with the trams and the seating, afew ambient seaside sounds and your pac-a-mac and your ready  :D

cheers John.

 :thankyousign: Ambient sounds...  :hmmm:  Now there's an idea...

Pac-a-mac? Thats a bit modern for this layout! Plus fours and a mackintosh maybe...  ;)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: scotsoft on February 08, 2013, 12:09:44 pm
You have to register to download, but these are free to use  ;)

http://www.freesound.org/browse/tags/seaside/ (http://www.freesound.org/browse/tags/seaside/)

cheers John.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 08, 2013, 12:29:39 pm
There's some good sounds on there,  :thankyousign: for posting.
Reckon I could play with a few of them to make a nice 'soundtrack' to the layout.
Rig my Ipod up to some underbaseboard speakers...  :hmmm:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: N Gauge Bob on February 08, 2013, 03:17:56 pm
A really interesting layout you have planned there moogle  :thumbsup:

Nice work with the trams and the seating, afew ambient seaside sounds and your pac-a-mac and your ready  :D

cheers John.

 :thankyousign: Ambient sounds...  :hmmm:  Now there's an idea...

Pac-a-mac? Thats a bit modern for this layout! Plus fours and a mackintosh maybe...  ;)

But you must on no account forget the seagulls or herring gulls or whatever they officially are.
You could have some sitting, some sh.........oh well you get the drift  :D
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 10, 2013, 01:28:38 pm
A really interesting layout you have planned there moogle  :thumbsup:

Nice work with the trams and the seating, afew ambient seaside sounds and your pac-a-mac and your ready  :D

cheers John.


 :thankyousign: Ambient sounds...  :hmmm:  Now there's an idea...

Pac-a-mac? Thats a bit modern for this layout! Plus fours and a mackintosh maybe...  ;)

But you must on no account forget the seagulls or herring gulls or whatever they officially are.
You could have some sitting, some sh.........oh well you get the drift  :D



I get the drift. What are they officially? A bleeding menace!  :smiley-laughing:

Got a lot of the tramway surfacing done and point motors clipped in.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling7_zpsbad2d2cf.jpg)

As you can see, I'm reusing old buildings from previous layouts.
Whilst doing the surfacing I found that the position of the depot needed moving forward to give enough clearance on the main loop.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling8_zps38c5bb38.jpg)

This has had an added benefit of allowing for a slightly bigger and less cramped depot.
The photo below clearly shows the gap left using the street paving kits on the points.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling10_zps4142180b.jpg)

It also allows me to have inspection/maintenance pits inside. They need cutting out still.
(Its where you can see the sleepers in the pic below)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling9_zps9e2fd290.jpg)

The tramway shed is going to be big but not enough to dominate the layout!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling11_zpsde1e2c4f.jpg)

It still needs raising up in height obviously and will need to be lengthened, (to where the pencil is) sides, ends and doors added.
Started life as a Dapol (Ex Airfix) OO scale platform canopy. That bigger scale does have some uses!  :smiley-laughing:
You may also have noticed the shorter red tram in the above photos.
Its a Typhoo Tea one cut up and glued onto a heavily adapted Kato 4 wheeled motor chassis.
Needs the gaps filling in obviously!  :laugh:

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling13_zps5169c26b.jpg)

More old buildings. Yes, I'm having a small brewery here, hence the chimney.
This view shows how I'd like the 'S' bend to look. Trams running between the buildings!
Incidentally it also shows where the tramway won't be embedded in the road, mainly along the back and behind the depot.

I've decided a park entrance will be in the corner opposite the depot.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling12_zpsaf8a807d.jpg)

There will be a fountain, paths, flower beds and of course some nice fancy park gates!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling14_zpsbf68e774.jpg)

More recycled buildings. I'll be adapting them as needed.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling15_zpsbee890c3.jpg)

And I just had to reuse my as yet unfinished town hall.
It will sit back a bit from the road so that there is a nice open area in front for the townsfolk.
And the Police arresting the Suffragette protesters I plan to make!  :D
Its an ex Kato Japanese bank building in case you're wondering...

 :)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Malc on February 10, 2013, 03:10:05 pm
Magnificent. Coming on a treat
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 10, 2013, 03:48:22 pm
Been starting on the section breaks.
(Apologies for the poor pics. Taken on mobile as cameras charging)

To remove the rail joiner on the end of the Tomix track:

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling16_zps11cde8f3.jpg)

You need to put something like a small screwdriver blade in the round hole under the plastic clip:

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling17_zpsd0ccea86.jpg)

Like thus:

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling18_zps741ca4c2.jpg)

Lever it back and forth and the rail joiner should loosen and come off:

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling19_zps08802b29.jpg)

I've done this to both pieces though only doing it to one will give a stronger join.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling20_zps6a292644.jpg)

I'm going to glue mine as I wire and fix it into position.
I can insert a shim of plastic between the rails while the glue sets as I dont trust just using the clips for the join.
Just a personal preference. More to follow later as things progress.  :wave:

Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: EtchedPixels on February 10, 2013, 06:17:13 pm
Tomix sell little boxes of insulated fishplates btw
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: MJdJ on February 10, 2013, 07:33:51 pm
Hello Moogle,
Another treat for us, your new layout. Thanks for sharing.
Kind regards
Mark-Jan
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 13, 2013, 10:49:30 pm
Tomix sell little boxes of insulated fishplates btw


I know but I have nothing else to order (that I can afford) at the moment so the postage would be too much.
I'll make do with the method I'm trying. Thanks anyway.

Had a break this evening from wiring and filling in track.
Been making cast iron pier supports.
Not out of iron though but out of old gel pens.
About 8 years ago a place I worked at used gel pens, not biros.
The used ones were discarded into the bin usually but I looked at some one day and though they'd be useful so collected a few.
They've sat in my 'bits box' since then!
So, finally found a use for them.  :smiley-laughing:

I cut the main part of the barrel in half and inserted half of the inner tube (what the ink was in) back in.
This gives me a peg to plant it in place with and being hollow somewhere to run wires up for lighting if I so wish.
I had eight pens and needed 16 supports -  result!
I'll take some pics tomorrow when I start installing them to make all that clearer!

Basing my pier supports and other parts on the pier from my hometown:

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/P-Poca_080609/TownPier_080609-0118_b.jpg (http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/P-Poca_080609/TownPier_080609-0118_b.jpg)

Only whats below deck though, above deck on mine will be completely different.
Currently marking out a card template for the arches and other beams so they will all be the same size.
Pics will follow when I've started making them.  :camera:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 14, 2013, 01:52:34 pm
Some pics as promised:

The pier legs

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling22_zpse87f12fe.jpg)

As you can see, ones apart still showing the 'inner tube' as it were.
I wont be adding lighting but I am thinking of a rotating weathervane on the pier head building.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling21_zps59291784.jpg)

The pierhead. I had to drill holes in the framework for the three nearest the camera.
Not easy then there's screws in the way!  :laugh:
The pier legs come level with the lands edge but the ground needs raising to bury the track in so there will just be a slight slope or steps onto the pier.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling23_zps0d63d247.jpg)

Another view of the pierhead end. I'm leaning more towards a building people walk around or go into.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling24_zps6716d2b1.jpg)

This is the master original of the cast iron arch and girder I want several of.
Made from obechi, card and model filler!
Gonna make a temporary mould from some reusable instant moulding compound I have.

http://www.metalclay.co.uk/oyumaru-instant-mold-moulding-compound/ (http://www.metalclay.co.uk/oyumaru-instant-mold-moulding-compound/)

Never tried it like this. Will be casting them in resin plaster which is strong and light.
Its also what I have at hand as I have no resin at the moment!  :laugh3:

The master will need a bit of tidying up prior to this and I'll post pics when the casting gets going.
Stay tuned folks...  8)

 
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on February 15, 2013, 10:48:51 pm
Just had a look at this for the first time - great stuff! Certainly different! I'm a great fan of ambient sounds too - but I always make mine so you can switch 'em on or off, 'cos they can eventually get on your nerves.

I will be following this. Good one!  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 15, 2013, 11:49:37 pm
 :thankyousign: I know what you mean. The sounds will be on my ipod.
Its one of those tiny clip on ones and thankfully has a pause button and off switch!  :laugh:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Dock Shunter on February 16, 2013, 09:57:58 am
A great bit of modelling going on there Moogle...... :thumbsup:
And you have found a great use for those old pens.......even if it has taken 8 years..... :) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Southernboy on February 16, 2013, 10:20:03 am
I've just spotted your thread Moogle: I like N gauge tramways and yours is coming along nicely - especially with the pier being such a prominent feature, it will really set the scene.

How did you make your tram?
I like the idea of the suffragettes protesting outside the town hall - any ideas on how you'll adapt N gauge figures for long skirts and big hats?

The ambient sound could be interesting - I was thinking perhaps you should include the sound of a brass band playing, after all, if you are modelling an Edwardian-era park, I'm sure there would have been a bandstand too :)

Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: EtchedPixels on February 16, 2013, 02:49:16 pm
I like the idea of the suffragettes protesting outside the town hall - any ideas on how you'll adapt N gauge figures for long skirts and big hats?

Langley wedding set has a few.

Alan
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 17, 2013, 02:03:27 pm
A great bit of modelling going on there Moogle...... :thumbsup:
And you have found a great use for those old pens.......even if it has taken 8 years..... :) :thumbsup:


I've just spotted your thread Moogle: I like N gauge tramways and yours is coming along nicely - especially with the pier being such a prominent feature, it will really set the scene.

How did you make your tram?
I like the idea of the suffragettes protesting outside the town hall - any ideas on how you'll adapt N gauge figures for long skirts and big hats?

The ambient sound could be interesting - I was thinking perhaps you should include the sound of a brass band playing, after all, if you are modelling an Edwardian-era park, I'm sure there would have been a bandstand too :)


 :thankyousign:

Trams are Typhoo Tea Trams grafted onto Kato chassis as mentioned in a previous post.

Long skirts are easy. Just use Milliput or model filler to lengthen them.
For big hats you need a hole punch, thin plastic sheet and a round file.
Punch out some plastic circles. Make a hole in the circle centre with the file.
Place on head. Add blob of glue, file top flat if needed when dry and paint.
Presier brides and model power steam era passengers are good for that - just add hats and repaint!
Langley wedding sets as EP says are good too. As are their funeral sets for gents.
O.k, you end up with a lot of priests but they could always populate your carriages!

No room for a bandstand in the park though, nice as it would be as I'm only modelling one entrance.

Made a start on the pier castings. Still not sure if it'll work in resin plaster but I'll give it a go!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling28_zps3949eacf.jpg)

Need filling/cleaning up. Started on some.
Castings broke as the mould wasn't very flexible. Good ol' superglue to the rescue!
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling27_zps05c047c2.jpg)

There's ten arches for the main length of the pier.
The pierhead I'm gonna use a different style so it looks like a later addition.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling29_zps6941dd5a.jpg)

The cross members for between the arches.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling26_zps7a25c151.jpg)

So still work to do,  :camera: will follow as always!  :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Malc on February 17, 2013, 02:52:14 pm
It's coming on a treat. Looking forward to seeing the finished layout.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 19, 2013, 08:24:06 pm
It's coming on a treat. Looking forward to seeing the finished layout.


 :thankyousign: though it'll be a while yet before its finished!

Bit more pier work been going on.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling30_zps4091f607.jpg)

Started at the seaward end and worked towards the shore.
Good job too as I had to reposition some of the pier legs.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling31_zps3cc44749.jpg)

The end that reaches the shore slopes downward slightly where I had to adapt things.
I'm not fussed by this as it means there's a slight slope onto the pier (which some had) giving it character.
Still gaps to fill, beams to add etc but I'm pretty chuffed with how its looking so far!  8)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on February 19, 2013, 08:26:59 pm
Lookin' good, buddy!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Caz on February 19, 2013, 08:34:34 pm
Can almost smell the candy floss.  Looking good Moogle.  :claphappy:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 19, 2013, 09:04:21 pm
 :thankyousign: I've built wooden jetties before but never a pleasure pier, so its a 1st for me.  :claphappy:
I'll probably make the pier head support frame from card to the same 'X' design thats between the arches.
Have plenty of cereal box card which when 2 layers are superglued together is surprisingly rigid!  :)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Caz on February 19, 2013, 09:06:28 pm
But how are you going to model the candy floss?   ;)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 19, 2013, 09:14:21 pm
But how are you going to model the candy floss?   ;)

Dunno if they had candy floss then! Better ask my friend Google...


:idea: Perhaps tiny bits of pink and white cotton wool on micro rod sticks? :idea:

Update, asked Google. Candy floss machine 1st appeared at the 1904 World Fair.
So possible to have some on my 1910ish layout!  :laugh2:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: BernardTPM on February 19, 2013, 09:38:55 pm
You could paint some short lengths of Slater's 10 thou." plastic rod in pink with white tips each end for sticks of rock. Not sure if your painting is up to putting the 'E S L I N G' on each end though (backwards at the bottom end, of course)  :laugh3:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on February 19, 2013, 10:39:18 pm
I think you're all bloody mad but I like it!! :laugh3: :claphappy:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Pengi on February 19, 2013, 11:42:24 pm
Could part of the smallest inter-dental brushes be used to model candy floss? Might be a bit oversized but could be used as a sign on a building.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: upnick on February 22, 2013, 10:13:41 am
Could part of the smallest inter-dental brushes be used to model candy floss? Might be a bit oversized but could be used as a sign on a building.

Now thats a  good idea   Pengy   ;) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: upnick on February 22, 2013, 10:15:24 am
Superb  progress Moogle are you going to have a band at the end of the pier   along with a  punch & Judy show ? 

I'll send you a   PM  with some ideas   ;)   
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 22, 2013, 12:11:12 pm
You could paint some short lengths of Slater's 10 thou." plastic rod in pink with white tips each end for sticks of rock. Not sure if your painting is up to putting the 'E S L I N G' on each end though (backwards at the bottom end, of course)  :laugh3:

Don't think my eyesight is up to lettering that small!  :laugh:
Might do some rock though...

I think you're all bloody mad but I like it!! :laugh3: :claphappy:

Absolutely!
Got to be to want to model the Edwardian era in N gauge in the first place haven't I?
Nurse! Is it time for my medication?!  :-X

Could part of the smallest inter-dental brushes be used to model candy floss? Might be a bit oversized but could be used as a sign on a building.


Might have to look into that idea.  :thankyousign: Pengy

Superb  progress Moogle are you going to have a band at the end of the pier   along with a  punch & Judy show ? 

I'll send you a   PM  with some ideas   ;)   

No band, not enough room. Only tea rooms on the end of the pier.
Thinking a Punch and Judy show on the beach might be good.
After all, 'That's the way to do it!'.  :D

Nothing to update at the moment.
I am thinking of using the overhead wire to actually power the trams rather than just be for show.
This would make the wiring simpler for the track, being just the return, improve running and be more authentic.
Researching more pier stuff at the moment, mainly for which style to use for the pier head.

 :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: daveg on February 22, 2013, 12:20:07 pm
Could part of the smallest inter-dental brushes be used to model candy floss? Might be a bit oversized but could be used as a sign on a building.

That gave me an idea that the larger brushes could be used in the coach washer perhaps?

Dave G
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 22, 2013, 12:33:12 pm
Could do Dave. I'll have to see if I can pick up some different sized ones cheaply somewhere to measure up.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Oldman on February 22, 2013, 01:22:55 pm
Try Poundland think that is where I bought my last pack of 4. different shapes and sizes.

What about Donkey Rides as well?
http://www.langleymodels.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Accessories_A66_Onwards_New_Items_61.html (http://www.langleymodels.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Accessories_A66_Onwards_New_Items_61.html)
Part no A109 about 2/3rds way down page.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: BernardTPM on February 22, 2013, 02:49:01 pm
I am thinking of using the overhead wire to actually power the trams rather than just be for show.
This would make the wiring simpler for the track, being just the return, improve running and be more authentic.
Researching more pier stuff at the moment, mainly for which style to use for the pier head.
One advantage of using the overhead as one polarity and the track as the other is that a single track return loop is no longer a problem. Also, as well as having all four wheels picking up, the sprung overhead pole/bow/pantograph helps keep contact through the mild pressure. I did experiment over 30 years ago with a bow collector, the overhead using tinned copper wire which is very easy to solder (being pre-tinned, of course!). It was pretty fine too, though it's best if some tension can be put into it. One possible method there is to actually spring the support poles at the ends.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: E Pinniger on February 22, 2013, 05:17:20 pm
This is looking really interesting, looking forward to seeing more building/scenic work! Tramway layouts like this aren't often seen in any scale, let alone in N and with a seaside setting.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on February 22, 2013, 09:12:26 pm
I must admit that in all my years of modelling, I never really gave much thought to trams (although I did admire the work of the late and legendary P.D. Hancock of Craig and Mertonford fame). However, we have folk like Whiteswan and Balloon 726 with their trams  and now, of course Moogle.

Any more tramheads out there in Forumland?  :beers:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 23, 2013, 01:55:13 pm
 :thankyousign: Oldman.
I'm popping in there on Monday for some more superglue so I'll have a look for some then.
And donkey rides are a must have for an Edwardian beach, even if I've only 2 foot of it!

One advantage of using the overhead as one polarity and the track as the other is that a single track return loop is no longer a problem. Also, as well as having all four wheels picking up, the sprung overhead pole/bow/pantograph helps keep contact through the mild pressure. I did experiment over 30 years ago with a bow collector, the overhead using tinned copper wire which is very easy to solder (being pre-tinned, of course!). It was pretty fine too, though it's best if some tension can be put into it. One possible method there is to actually spring the support poles at the ends.

Exactly the reason I'm thinking of using it.
Making a sprung bow collector isn't a problem as I have lots of small springs salvaged from old cameras and things.
(When things cease working I tend to take them apart for anything useful!  :))

From tramway layouts I've seen a lot have shiny copper wire, possibly tinned, for the overhead.
The real thing ain't shiny so I'd probably look at chemically blackening it afterwards.
I'm gonna make my own style poles using a mold and cast them in resin.
I could draw and 3D print them but it gets expensive if I suddenly just need two more or suffer a breakage due to the postage!

I must admit that in all my years of modelling, I never really gave much thought to trams (although I did admire the work of the late and legendary P.D. Hancock of Craig and Mertonford fame). However, we have folk like Whiteswan and Balloon 726 with their trams  and now, of course Moogle.

Any more tramheads out there in Forumland?  :beers:

I didn't know Whiteswan modelled trams...
As to other tramheads in NGF land, I think there are a few more of us! :toot:
(That includes trollyheads to use a term from across the pond.)
Come on, make yourselves known, even if its not in N that you model them.
You know you want to...  >:D
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Oldman on February 23, 2013, 02:06:52 pm
I did Japanese trams a few years ago , have also motorized a double deck Hong Kong Tram in Nn3.
Lawrence and Claude may know the subject (was on JNS Forum)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: BernardTPM on February 23, 2013, 02:19:03 pm
The tinned copper wire is a silverish colour, but not bright, more a matt silver grey so doesn't stand out too much. If I can find the piece I did I'll take a photo, assuming it's not fallen apart!  :D

The Hong Kong trams are 3' 6" gauge so suited to Nm, though the same type of tramcars also run in Birkenhead on standard gauge.
http://ukih.merchantrunglobal.com/ImageHosting/ViewImage.aspx?GlobalID=1003&MerchantID=3236&ImageID=6530&DisplaySize=400&ListingID=49966 (http://ukih.merchantrunglobal.com/ImageHosting/ViewImage.aspx?GlobalID=1003&MerchantID=3236&ImageID=6530&DisplaySize=400&ListingID=49966)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: PLD on February 23, 2013, 02:34:06 pm
Any more tramheads out there in Forumland?  :beers:

Count me in too..  :wave:

Not done much with trams in N gauge, but plenty in 4mm/ft  and 305mm/ft...
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on February 23, 2013, 03:12:24 pm
Welcome fellow tramheads!  :thumbsup:

The tinned copper wire is a silverish colour, but not bright, more a matt silver grey so doesn't stand out too much. If I can find the piece I did I'll take a photo, assuming it's not fallen apart!  :D

If you could that'd be great.  :thankyousign:
It would be a lot less work if I didn't have to blacken it!  :)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: BernardTPM on February 23, 2013, 04:52:41 pm
Well, I found it; it wasn't in great shape, but I cleaned it and tried to put a bit of tension into parts of it:
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm303/Bernard_Taylor/NtramSmall_zpse0709cf6.jpg)
The track is just old Peco code 80 Streamline with plasticard and Plastic Padding round the corner to see how well it embedded and the part built tram body was still in reasonable nick, so I got that in shot too. The overhead is 34swg Tinned copper as per the reel. Note the shine dulls over time.
The 3 inch nails are a bit crude, of course as well as overscale, but it was just a test. To keep the cross spans in tension I was going to have the 'proper' poles joined under the board with some kind of spring. That would keep it straight, so easier to solder a wire to. Similarly where the overhaed goes round a corner tensioning can be done from the outside corner that would also keep the contact wire tauter. Well, that was the theory! The hole in the pavement would effectively be the pivot for the poles.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on February 23, 2013, 09:39:25 pm
That's a good photo, BernardTPM. I like your approach - that's a great little testbed where you are experimenting with various ideas at once. That reel of wire reminds me of a reel of NiCr (Nichrome) I have that I borrowed from work (I used to be a science teacher) but forgot to take back when I retired  :-[ which would be totally unsuitable for the job because of it's resistance and the fact it would get bloody hot with 12V across it!
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on March 01, 2013, 08:52:07 am
Well, I found it; it wasn't in great shape, but I cleaned it and tried to put a bit of tension into parts of it:
([url]http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm303/Bernard_Taylor/NtramSmall_zpse0709cf6.jpg[/url])
The track is just old Peco code 80 Streamline with plasticard and Plastic Padding round the corner to see how well it embedded and the part built tram body was still in reasonable nick, so I got that in shot too. The overhead is 34swg Tinned copper as per the reel. Note the shine dulls over time.
The 3 inch nails are a bit crude, of course as well as overscale, but it was just a test. To keep the cross spans in tension I was going to have the 'proper' poles joined under the board with some kind of spring. That would keep it straight, so easier to solder a wire to. Similarly where the overhaed goes round a corner tensioning can be done from the outside corner that would also keep the contact wire tauter. Well, that was the theory! The hole in the pavement would effectively be the pivot for the poles.


 :thankyousign: Bernard. Thats really helpful. I'll look out for some of that wire as it seems to dull nicely!  8)

The tram body you have there, looks very much like a London E class tram if I'm not mistaken.  :thumbsup:
I could be wrong though...

Bealman, I think I'll give NiCr wire a miss for the overhead.
Though it could be useful along the front to deter fingers at exhibitions! >:D
As if I would...  :angel:

Found the style I want for the pier head extension part of the pier.
Its in the style of Gravesend's other pier:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/barry_432/6342024728/#sizes/z/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/barry_432/6342024728/#sizes/z/)

So I've extended the legs up using card wrapped around a small dowel thats the same size as the pen parts used.
This had artists gummed paper wrapped around it and the top filled with air drying clay.
I'll post  :camera: when I've sanded them down.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: BernardTPM on March 01, 2013, 09:04:39 am
The tram body you have there, looks very much like a London E class tram if I'm not mistaken.  :thumbsup:
I could be wrong though...
I can't remember what it was now, but not a London tram. I have a feeling it might be a Birmingham 4 wheeler as it's quite narrow. It was made started over 30 years ago! The ends are angled rather than rounded.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on March 01, 2013, 09:19:34 am
Ah, well I couldn't quite tell from the pic so more of a guess really!
Done well to survive this long and I'm glad I'm not the only one who keeps part made stuff for years...
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Balloon_726 on March 04, 2013, 11:14:55 pm
Well, I found it; it wasn't in great shape, but I cleaned it and tried to put a bit of tension into parts of it:
([url]http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm303/Bernard_Taylor/NtramSmall_zpse0709cf6.jpg[/url])
The track is just old Peco code 80 Streamline with plasticard and Plastic Padding round the corner to see how well it embedded and the part built tram body was still in reasonable nick, so I got that in shot too. The overhead is 34swg Tinned copper as per the reel. Note the shine dulls over time.
The 3 inch nails are a bit crude, of course as well as overscale, but it was just a test. To keep the cross spans in tension I was going to have the 'proper' poles joined under the board with some kind of spring. That would keep it straight, so easier to solder a wire to. Similarly where the overhaed goes round a corner tensioning can be done from the outside corner that would also keep the contact wire tauter. Well, that was the theory! The hole in the pavement would effectively be the pivot for the poles.


Hmm that is a very interesting test there Bernard... you ever going to finish your scratch build?
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: BernardTPM on March 05, 2013, 12:06:34 am
I doubt it, but it does confirm my thoughts that clear 10 thou." plasticard can make a pretty strong structure if it has some folds in it.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on March 08, 2013, 11:46:20 am
Small update.  :camera: of new pier legs for the pier head area.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling32_zpse85d9b17.jpg)

Basically the pier deck will sit on top of the new legs/framework.
And yes that's Milliput around the bases and on top!

Second picture is a bit blurry  :sorrysign: but shows the leg spacing a bit better.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling33_zps62dd0a44.jpg)

Must steady my hand or use the tripod next time!  :laugh:
I've added some cross beams now out of an odd bit of wooden U shaped beam I've had for ages.
Next step is to build up the esplanade wall and beach area.
Then to get some more paper clay to make the sea and waves.
Only once thats done and painted along with the pier structure can I add the decking and start on the top side.
I'm looking forward to that stage!  :)

Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: daveg on March 08, 2013, 12:22:31 pm
I'm looking forward to that stage! 

Aren't we all!  :)

Great stuff - thanks for the pics despite the wobble, caused no doubt by a big wave. Here's a little one  :wave:

Dave G
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on March 08, 2013, 09:17:08 pm
Lookin' good!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on March 13, 2013, 05:35:44 pm
Another wee update...

Been working on the seafront and beach area.
First put in some retaining walls to mark where the esplanade is.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling34_zps333f5247.jpg)

Then added some thin polystyrene formers (from pizza bases packaging) and some plaster rocks.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling35_zpsaea6dd75.jpg)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling36_zpsc6d0994c.jpg)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling37_zpsd440e2b6.jpg)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling38_zpsdde051ae.jpg)

I've made steps and part of a ramp for access to the beach too.
Needed to reposition some rocks to fit them in. Heavy modelling!  :doh:

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling41_zpsb2582a0d.jpg)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling39_zps03118635.jpg)

The tramcar and piece of Linka are helping to keep everything square and upright, they're not staying there!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling40_zps425ec8f3.jpg)

Then out came the clay!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling44_zps77f75eb8.jpg)

Yes, time to get messy. Or as I call it, 'fun time'!  :laugh:

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling43_zpsd03e08bd.jpg)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling42_zps32e28d69.jpg)

The clay on top of the rocks is to give me an upper hard standing area.
Sort of thing that only spring tides or winter storms may reach.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling46_zpscb43b081.jpg)

I plan to put some beach huts on here against the wall.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling45_zpscec19e67.jpg)

Access improved now that the steps meet the beach properly.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling47_zps7c2f08a0.jpg)

There's now a surface on the ramp.
May need to fill in some cracks later as the clays still wet in the photo.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling50_zps0e4ddcbe.jpg)

Still need to add clay over the black pizza base beach area and then its wave sculpting time!
More clay in other words...  :laugh:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: daveg on March 13, 2013, 06:27:41 pm
Looking good!

Dave G
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on March 13, 2013, 08:33:07 pm
You are indeed a messy boy but it's coming along nicely!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Caz on March 13, 2013, 08:56:27 pm
Really starting to take shape, looking good, can't wait to see the waves lapping on the beach.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on March 15, 2013, 07:20:25 pm
 :thankyousign: everyone.
Not started on the beach/waves yet, thought I'd give the rest some drying out time first.
Won't be long though so stay tuned...  :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: scotsoft on March 15, 2013, 07:44:16 pm
You are making good progress, begining to take shape and seeing where everything is going  :thumbsup:

cheers John.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on April 14, 2013, 11:31:40 am
Can't believe it's been nearly a month! Still, good progress takes time.

Didn't take pics any before I started painting everything as all you'd see would have been terra-cotta clay!  :laugh:

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling51_zpsaa1eb94a.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling51_zpsaa1eb94a.jpg.html)

The beach is very experimental. Its Woodland Scenics snow that I dyed yellow.
Yes, yellow snow! (I know, family forum... :angel:)

A wash of dark blue/turquoise was put over the blue sea then and allowed to dry.
Some of it seeped into the beach edge so I'll need to re-do the sand here.
Yes, I have model beach pollution!   :smiley-laughing:

Then it was picking out the waves and surf/foam.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling53_zpsfd8708bf.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling53_zpsfd8708bf.jpg.html)

Before finally painting the pier structure with Revell 'Granite Grey'.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling52_zps3cf0cfa8.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling52_zps3cf0cfa8.jpg.html)

Then gave the sea a coat of gloss glaze.
By just using one coat it seems to soak in a little and give more of a satin sheen which I think looks better.
Certainly brings out the depth!
Rocks, lower esplanade and walls to finish. Then I can add the decking!  :claphappy:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: scotsoft on April 14, 2013, 03:06:12 pm
The waves you have created are very good moogle and the waves breaking around the pier legs are also very good.  It is coming along well, looking forward to seeing the decking down  :thumbsup:

cheers John.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: daveg on April 14, 2013, 03:18:07 pm
Nice job - thanks for the update.  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Alex on April 14, 2013, 05:20:15 pm
Hi Moogle,

Nice work, well done.  :thumbsup: I also like the way the waves break around the pier legs, very effective.

Alex :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Oldman on April 14, 2013, 05:32:47 pm
Looks really good. :thumbsup:

Seagulls on the waves next????? ;)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Jack on April 14, 2013, 06:53:16 pm
Having just caught up with this thread I think I have the beginnings of becoming a trolley head!

There is some very nice work going on here Moogles, you've got me hooked!  :thumbsup:


Seagulls on the waves next????? ;)

If you want seagulls all you have to do is open a fish & chip shop! Those flying rats will appear out of no where!  >:( Well at least they do in Mevagissey etc., here in Cornwall.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Malc on April 14, 2013, 07:32:34 pm
Excellent work - you can almost hear the waves breaking against the beach!  :D
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: longbridge on April 14, 2013, 08:54:54 pm
Looking great Moogle, hang on lad i'll just put me bathers on and get me surfboard  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on April 14, 2013, 10:27:08 pm
Aha.  :laughabovepost: The closet English Aussie surfer.  :laughabovepost:
I too like the waves breaking around the legs of the pier. You're going to add sound effects, of course?
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on April 14, 2013, 11:34:18 pm
 :thankyousign: Everyone. It's taken a while to get the right look but I think I've managed it judging by all your comments!   :thankyousign:

The waves you have created are very good moogle and the waves breaking around the pier legs are also very good.  It is coming along well, looking forward to seeing the decking down  :thumbsup:

cheers John.

You're not the only one looking at getting the decking down!
It'll start to look like a proper pier then...   :claphappy:

Looks really good. :thumbsup:

Seagulls on the waves next????? ;)

Perhaps not on the waves, but there will be a few seagulls.
The layout won't be festooned with them though like it would if I was modelling this century!  :laugh:

Having just caught up with this thread I think I have the beginnings of becoming a trolley head!

There is some very nice work going on here Moogles, you've got me hooked!  :thumbsup:

Another tram fan! Welcome to the club. There's no known cure...  >:D

Aha.  :laughabovepost: The closet English Aussie surfer.  :laughabovepost:
I too like the waves breaking around the legs of the pier. You're going to add sound effects, of course?

Of course! Have made up some sound effects on MP3's and will play them on my i-pod via a cheap speaker I found. Good ol' pound shop!  :)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: EtchedPixels on April 15, 2013, 11:43:45 am
There are some long samples of waves on the shore available and you can combine that with random seagull noises in a cheap sound decoder if you really want to wind up anyone in the vicinity 8)

Alan
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on April 18, 2013, 11:31:08 am
I've got random seagull noises put into the sound track's I've made. Did several sound track's to play on random!  :D
One or two also have an engine backfiring noise from one of those newfangled horseless carriage things.
There's also people walking and talking, horse drawn traffic and trams.
So pretty much everything you'd hear at the seaside in 1910!

I've found in amongst some things I was sorting out a little brass music box mechanism.
It plays 'The Entertainer' and I thought of motorising it and having it mounted underneath a street organ scene.
Would be great to have it on a push button for the viewer to press but would need a timer. (And an off switch!)
So if anyone knows how to make a timer circuit cheaply, please let me know!
I could use them on several gimmicks to increase the fun aspect of the layout.

Well, in amongst my birthday presents the other day was some bits from Langley. Including Seagulls!  :)
They need painting of course but no seaside layout is complete without them.
Slowly adding seaweed in places along the shore at the moment. Yes, N gauge seaweed. I must be mad!  :laugh3:
Will post pics once its done.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on April 18, 2013, 12:17:34 pm
I have several timer gimmicks on my layout - press button and smoke comes out of factory chimney for 20 secs, push button and horseys neigh and carry on, etc. Buttons are on layout fascia for visitors to push out of curiousity.

All kits from local electronics chain here in Oz, but timer circuits are plentiful and cheap. Set time, push button, fire relay, control what you want. The 555 timer is probably the most famous chip on Earth.

Mind you, it's old fashioned analogue electronics....  :sleep:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Newportnobby on April 18, 2013, 01:01:17 pm
The last pic of the waves rolling in and breaking on the pier just sets the whole scene off.
Excellent work, Moogle :claphappy:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on April 18, 2013, 04:30:30 pm
I have several timer gimmicks on my layout - press button and smoke comes out of factory chimney for 20 secs, push button and horseys neigh and carry on, etc. Buttons are on layout fascia for visitors to push out of curiousity.

All kits from local electronics chain here in Oz, but timer circuits are plentiful and cheap. Set time, push button, fire relay, control what you want. The 555 timer is probably the most famous chip on Earth.

Mind you, it's old fashioned analogue electronics....  :sleep:

 :thankyousign: 555 timers? I'll have to look into those.
My knowledge of electronics is limited when it comes to stuff like that so Analogue is fine by me!
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: EtchedPixels on April 18, 2013, 04:32:52 pm
I have several timer gimmicks on my layout - press button and smoke comes out of factory chimney for 20 secs, push button and horseys neigh and carry on, etc. Buttons are on layout fascia for visitors to push out of curiousity.

Thats a fun idea. I'd just have to include a "Get the **** off my land" one though and there would be trouble

Alan
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on April 18, 2013, 04:46:51 pm
I have several timer gimmicks on my layout - press button and smoke comes out of factory chimney for 20 secs, push button and horseys neigh and carry on, etc. Buttons are on layout fascia for visitors to push out of curiousity.

Thats a fun idea. I'd just have to include a "Get the **** off my land" one though and there would be trouble

Alan

 :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:

Would that be as a figure appeared holding a shot gun followed by the sound of gun fire?!   :-X  :angel:

Oh the fun you can have with gimmicks - only limited by the imagination!  :laugh:

Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on April 18, 2013, 11:32:07 pm
Yeah, I like that one, Alan. With a voice recorder chip you could play out the whole scenario... "Get the...", then gunshots, etc. all on the same recording!

I have found over the years that some visitors prefer pushing the buttons over watching the trains!!
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on April 19, 2013, 12:06:27 pm
I have found over the years that some visitors prefer pushing the buttons over watching the trains!!


I noticed that when I visited Minitur Wunderland.
Some had clearly been overused as they didn't work!
I think its the fact that they can be involved more that makes buttons so popular.

Update: Seaweed done. Madness confirmed!  :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling57_zps64e74f57.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling57_zps64e74f57.jpg.html)

The dark patches are the seaweed.
Its flock powder, a greeny brown acrylic paint and pva mixed together.
Once dry I dry brushed it with a dark green and then added a glaze. (Varnish)
This gives it a nice wet look which you can't really see in the pics.

A 'landmark' stage has been reached. The pier now has decking!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling56_zpsb16eff12.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling56_zpsb16eff12.jpg.html)

Its 2 pieces of marquetry wood, I got a lot of off cuts from ebay, stuck to thin card.
Planking scribed and then the card side coloured in brown, black and green marker pens.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling58_zpsf1c564ad.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling58_zpsf1c564ad.jpg.html)

Have started painting all the walls and rocks.
Just a base coat so far, will need a dark wash and then dry brushing for highlights.
I thought I'd add one of the pier end as it shows the waves breaking to good effect.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling55_zps13302e72.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling55_zps13302e72.jpg.html)

It also shows that I have a gap to plug on top of one of the pier legs.
Some slivers of card have been added to the gap to support the deck.
Time to get out the clay...  ::)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling54_zpsfcef67c8.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling54_zpsfcef67c8.jpg.html)

So there we have it. Esling pier is taking shape!  :claphappy:
Backscene needs doing next. That way I won't have too much model wise to have to reach across to paint.
Might be a while but stay tuned...  :wave:

Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: daveg on April 19, 2013, 12:32:41 pm
Terrific stuff!

That decking looks excellent.

Dave G
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on April 19, 2013, 12:38:05 pm
 :thankyousign:

It took a while to scribe. I used a small needle file as the timbers very thin. 0.6 mm to be precise!
Was one of those tedious jobs that give the old eyeballs a battering and is best done while watching a dvd.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on April 19, 2013, 10:29:00 pm
That's starting to look soooo good. This layout is going to be a corker!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on May 11, 2013, 09:27:14 pm
Not done anything to the layout since the last update as I've been concentrating on my club's N gauge layout
but I have done some research into pier buildings and have made an executive decision.  :o
I'm going to use a style similar to Cowes West pier on the I.O.W.

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Cowes/CowesWestPier-01_b.jpg (http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Cowes/CowesWestPier-01_b.jpg)
Just the entrance style as its typical of the era. I like the octagonal shape and the oriental style roofs! :bounce:
Should be an interesting scratchbuild. Next update should be about the backscene as thats next.

 :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on May 11, 2013, 11:02:09 pm
As you say, it'll be an interesting exercise, but will look great. That's a ripper old photo, by the way.

George
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on May 28, 2013, 10:48:35 pm
As you say, it'll be an interesting exercise, but will look great. That's a ripper old photo, by the way.

George


Certainly is!  :thumbsup:
Found it via a link on the piers website I posted in the knowledge section.

Well works started on the backscene!
I had to stop due to all the wet weather producing poor daylight, which I prefer to paint in rather than fluorescent.

Sky first:

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling59_zps2490f6a0.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling59_zps2490f6a0.jpg.html)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling60_zps53069e3d.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling60_zps53069e3d.jpg.html)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling61_zps296890b7.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling61_zps296890b7.jpg.html)

Then some countryside:

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling63_zps72bc47d9.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling63_zps72bc47d9.jpg.html)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling62_zps1bfae93d.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling62_zps1bfae93d.jpg.html)

Detail to do next, then the sea and beach.
I will be posting something special once its all done, no hints, stay tuned!

Also started on the pier buildings. Just the main pier head so far.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling65_zps01bd2539.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling65_zps01bd2539.jpg.html)

Taken on my mobile so not brill quality I'm afraid.  :(

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling64_zps97a6340e.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling64_zps97a6340e.jpg.html)

They show the general shape and construction though.
Wood, card and superglue!  :laugh:
I'll take better pics when I've done more.
Thats all for now  :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on May 28, 2013, 11:01:10 pm
Coming along nicely! I like the clouds!  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on June 01, 2013, 10:03:37 pm
Coming along nicely! I like the clouds!  :thumbsup:

George


 :thankyousign:

I've finished!  :claphappy:
The backscene that is... :D

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling66_zpsd5406895.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling66_zpsd5406895.jpg.html)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling67_zps1fa268fa.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling67_zps1fa268fa.jpg.html)

Takes a while to add all the detail.
Finally I painted the road and beach area.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling70_zps27852967.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling70_zps27852967.jpg.html)

Had to have a ship on the horizon!  :)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling71_zpsa8ea0951.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling71_zpsa8ea0951.jpg.html)

Newspaper removed, an 'unveiling' if you like!  :bounce:

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling72_zpsb3ee7095.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling72_zpsb3ee7095.jpg.html)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling73_zpsaf3329e1.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling73_zpsaf3329e1.jpg.html)

I think its turned out pretty well.
May be the odd detail to re-do/add once buildings and things start being added in front of it.
Other than that the backscenes finished.   :thumbsup:

So, whats the special thing I'll be posting?

Well, as I painted this I also had the camcorder rolling!
Once I've done all the editing there will be a 'how to' guide posted in the tutorial section.
Stay tuned...   :tv:  :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: keerout on June 01, 2013, 10:39:11 pm
NICE! I like the sky & clouds, but those waves are brilliant!  :goggleeyes:
shame though there is no room for a steamer at the pier....
I'll wait for your "how to" before I do my backscene, what paint did you use?
Gerard  :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Jack on June 01, 2013, 10:41:37 pm
Veeery Nice!!  :admiration:

Is painting another hobby? I shall look forward to the tutorial.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on June 01, 2013, 11:25:42 pm
That is fantastic. Looking forward to the tute. You are a true asset to the forum  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on June 02, 2013, 12:27:59 pm
NICE! I like the sky & clouds, but those waves are brilliant!  :goggleeyes:
shame though there is no room for a steamer at the pier....
I'll wait for your "how to" before I do my backscene, what paint did you use?
Gerard  :wave:

 :thankyousign: Yes, it is a shame as Artitec do a lovely period paddle steamer that would have been perfect.
But at nearly 9" long it would look silly on a 14" pier! No room for a longer pier though.

I used acrylic paint. I paint in oils too but time was of the essence!

Veeery Nice!!  :admiration:

Is painting another hobby? I shall look forward to the tutorial.

 :thankyousign: Yes, painting is my other hobby.
I don't get to indulge in both as much as I'd like as with no work money is tight but anything is better than nothing as they say!
This is one way of combining the two and I get a backscene that compliments the famous rule no 1.  :thumbsup:

That is fantastic. Looking forward to the tute. You are a true asset to the forum  :thumbsup:

 :thankyousign: I've never been an asset before!  :laugh:
I'm sure you'll like the 'tute'.
Not started on it yet as I'm STILL uploading footage!
The downside of using the highest quality setting I guess...
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: upnick on June 02, 2013, 07:23:14 pm
Hi  Moogle,     

Superb  progress  look forward to the tutorial   ;)     

When you asked what it  was you were adding i  thougt it might be some seagulls in  flight   :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on June 07, 2013, 04:28:56 pm
Hi  Moogle,     

Superb  progress  look forward to the tutorial   ;)     

When you asked what it  was you were adding i  thougt it might be some seagulls in  flight   :smiley-laughing:

No, but I do have some white metal seagulls ready to paint for the 'bombing runs' over the pier!   >:D

Finally finished editing and uploading the tutorial.
I thought when filming it I'd have 2 parts about 20 mins each.
Not so! Even edited I've 2 hours of footage!  :o
So there will be 6 parts in total, each covering a different part of the process.
Longest is just over 26 mins, so you won't die of boredom watching it.
(Yeah, I know, like watching paint dry!  :smiley-laughing:)

Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on June 07, 2013, 06:50:41 pm
All done for your viewing pleasure:

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=14456.new#new (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=14456.new#new)

Enjoy...  :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on June 08, 2013, 12:07:33 am
Longest is just over 26 mins, so you won't die of boredom watching it.
(Yeah, I know, like watching paint dry!  :smiley-laughing:)

Not much different to watching lawn bowls.....  :D (Apologies to all the bowlers out there and that includes quite a few of me mates!)

Haven't got round to watching the tutes yet, but I will!  :thumbsup:

George

Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on June 12, 2013, 09:44:07 am
I'm sure you'll enjoy the tute's Bealman.

Right, after doing all that backscene stuff I've done a bit of work on the main pier building.
Started on the oriental style roof. Never done one before so its another challenge!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling75_zpsdd9742de.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling75_zpsdd9742de.jpg.html)

The roof is removable at the moment and will be tiled when finished, probably in slates.

Also made a start on the windows.
There's 8 to do with 16 panes each.
Each pane is drilled out and filed square with a small square needle file.
So that's 32 panes down, 96 to go!  :laugh3:

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling74_zpsa4e650ac.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling74_zpsa4e650ac.jpg.html)

The double doors each end come from my spares box and are from some ancient Graham Farish building kit.
I think it was the wooden waiting rooms they did. Just happen to have lots of spare doors and windows from them!

As you can see, I have a fair bit of work left to do yet...
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Newportnobby on June 12, 2013, 10:14:14 am
What a smashing labour of love, Moogle :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on June 12, 2013, 10:59:17 am
Just got in from a few beers down local club.... have not looked at tutes yet... but your latest pics are excellent. As RNPN (Retired NPN) says, a true labour of love, but also a true inspiration.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: daveg on June 12, 2013, 11:34:28 am
Hi

Not watched the vids yet but the pier is coming along very nicely indeed.

Love the waves on the pier supports and those windows ....!

Dave G
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on June 12, 2013, 01:04:19 pm
 :thankyousign: guys for those kind words.  :thumbsup:
My modelling is a labour of love to me as I put heart and soul into my models to make things look right.
More so when I'm making things from scratch or kit bashing.   8)

I've just realised that in the 4 months I've been building Esling the only commercial items I've used so far are the doors on the pier building and the tram track!  :o
A new record for me I think!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on July 07, 2013, 08:29:10 pm
Now that I'm back online, time for an update.  :toot:

I did some work on the roof, scribed in slates etc but it just didn't look right.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling76_zpsaa826b64.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling76_zpsaa826b64.jpg.html)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling77_zps69fffee7.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling77_zps69fffee7.jpg.html)

So more research was needed. I did some, then ran out of internet allowance!  :smackedface:

Still, cracked on with the modelling.
Decided on an all round canopy to give my pier patrons some shelter from the British summer.  :D
Then realised I needed to be able to 'bed' the building in, so I cut a hole.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling80_zpsbc974033.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling80_zpsbc974033.jpg.html)

"Well it wasn't there this morning!" went the conversation...

Then I added the pier building.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling81_zps9e408094.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling81_zps9e408094.jpg.html)

And then the roof.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling82_zpsc96aa738.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling82_zpsc96aa738.jpg.html)

Now that I've tidied up the front edge, I need to touch up the sea as the clays showing through where I've knocked it.
You may have noticed the fancy canopy supports in the photos.
They are by Scalelink, can't remember the cat no as I've had them for years, and the ones I wanted to use numbered  13 in total.
An odd number indeed to have on an etch and I needed 14, so one of the others the same size was used. Doesn't notice unless you look for it!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling83_zpsbd8f40e7.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling83_zpsbd8f40e7.jpg.html)

The white is just an undercoat, I'm thinking light cream and pale blue for the colour scheme.
Figures are just placed to give an idea of size, they're not fixed.
Need to think of railings next for the sides, then build the toll booths at the entrance.

 :wave:



Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: scotsoft on July 07, 2013, 08:35:20 pm
I think the building looks better with the all round canopy and that woman in red is showing a well turned ankle  :-[

cheers John.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on July 07, 2013, 08:51:05 pm
I think the building looks better with the all round canopy and that woman in red is showing a well turned ankle  :-[

cheers John.

 :thankyousign: My thoughts exactly. Better with than without.
And as for that woman, has she no shame!  :laugh:
Maybe its to tempt the workmen...  ;)  :D
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Trev on July 07, 2013, 09:45:02 pm
Coming on well. Certainly looks better with the canopy.

In respect of the lady in red, I'm hoping to find people for my layout (based pre war) that don't look like they've just walked out of Marks & Spencers. That lady in red and her hat look just right. Can you let me know where you got her from please?

Thank you
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on July 07, 2013, 10:29:39 pm
The lady in red is an adapted Prieser bride.
Veil removed, a circle of thin plastic with a hole in the middle glued onto her head for the hat.
Then she was repainted.
The lady next to her is a Model Power figure from their steam era passenger set similarly treated.
I used a hole punch to make the plastic circles!
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Pengi on July 08, 2013, 06:51:31 am
Great work Moogle :claphappy:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: daveg on July 08, 2013, 07:57:00 am
Really very nice work.  :)

Dave G
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: upnick on July 08, 2013, 08:06:41 am
Superb progress Moogle    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on July 08, 2013, 11:43:55 pm
Everything that they said. Plus the new roof is heaps better than the old one. Love the ladies there. Reminds me of one of my favourite layouts of all time, the Craig and Mertonford (in book reviews) - that layout was in the same era and had lots of people dressed like that. I think you are in the middle of creating a classic, mate.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bad Raven on July 09, 2013, 10:39:02 am
Superb.  :claphappy:  :claphappy:  :claphappy:

Suggest you extend the board marginally at the sea end and install one of these from the end of the pier:-
(http://[url=http://www.urban75.org/blog/images/brighton-beach-volks-railway-04.jpg]http://www.urban75.org/blog/images/brighton-beach-volks-railway-04.jpg[/url])

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_d0aQae2awa0/TH_SQP_Ij4I/AAAAAAAAA2I/AuKhazeM9HE/s1600/Daddy+longlegs.jpg)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on July 09, 2013, 11:38:25 am
 :thankyousign: everyone. It's taking me a while, but it will be all worth it in the end.
A 'classic' in the making as Bealman says it may be. I've had a go at modelling the era before,
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=8033.msg88612#msg88612 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=8033.msg88612#msg88612)
and its not as easy as say the 1950's or modern day, but it can be done.

Superb.  :claphappy:  :claphappy:  :claphappy:

Suggest you extend the board marginally at the sea end and install one of these from the end of the pier:-
(http://[url=http://www.urban75.org/blog/images/brighton-beach-volks-railway-04.jpg]http://www.urban75.org/blog/images/brighton-beach-volks-railway-04.jpg[/url])

([url]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_d0aQae2awa0/TH_SQP_Ij4I/AAAAAAAAA2I/AuKhazeM9HE/s1600/Daddy+longlegs.jpg[/url])


Ah, the Rottingdean Daddy Longlegs!
One tramway I think you'll never see modelled with the 'tram' moving!  :laugh:
No space for extensions I'm afraid.
If there was, I'd have a longer pier!  8)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Jerry Howlett on July 09, 2013, 02:08:38 pm
Looking Great moogle a "work in progress" and congrats on your originality...
Now how about that "Sea Tram" ?????
Didn't the previous Moogle layout appear in an NGS Journal?

Jerry :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on July 09, 2013, 05:25:34 pm
Perhaps I'll do that sea tram if I win the lotto tonight...  :laugh:

You are correct Jerry, the previous Moogle layout, Brewhouse Yard, was in NGS journal 06/07.
It's one and only exhibition was at the NGS 40th anniversary exhibition in Kettering in 2007.
A lot of people liked it not just because of its small size, but because the era modelled was different.

The journal editor saw it and asked me to write an article about it.
Glad I did as it inspired a certain Mr Burrows to send in the articles he had written on pre-grouping modelling.
(See journals 02/09, 03/09, 05/09 & 06/09)
Its from the interest generated from those articles that the 'Era 1&2 Area Group' was formed.

Funny how these things happen!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on July 11, 2013, 12:09:27 am
Ok.... fill us all in on the sea tram - what the heck was it? Don't tell me there are rails under that water? Details, please....  ???
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on July 11, 2013, 10:26:57 pm
Ahm... yes, there was rails under the water!  :-[

More details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_and_Rottingdean_Seashore_Electric_Railway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_and_Rottingdean_Seashore_Electric_Railway)

http://www.urban75.org/railway/brighton-sea-railway.html (http://www.urban75.org/railway/brighton-sea-railway.html)

Mad or what!

Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: scotsoft on July 11, 2013, 10:37:36 pm
There is a section on one of the Coast programmes that uses computer generated graphics to show it running.
It tells about its conception and demise, very good series it has been  :thumbsup:

cheers John.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on July 12, 2013, 12:16:10 am
Thanks for posting that, Moogle! What an amazing contraption! I have never heard of it in my 61 years on the planet! That's once again what makes this forum so cool. You're always learning something.  :thumbsup:

It apparently ran by an electric motor? I always thought water and electricity don't mix...

As I say, an amazing bit of history.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: scotsoft on July 13, 2013, 10:47:27 pm
Here you go George, the railway in three parts  ;)

The second and third parts are not much to see.

Brighton to Rottingdean Seashore Railway 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLi4bz2GS20#)

Brighton to Rottingdean Seashore Railway 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR44Lt0qH3s#)

Brighton to Rottingdean Seashore Railway 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7bL63X5FrU#)

cheers John.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: daveg on July 13, 2013, 11:27:32 pm
Excellent find, John!

Thanks a lot.

Dave G
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on July 15, 2013, 12:14:43 pm
That is totally remarkable. Talk about architectural follies.... well there's a railway folly, BIG TIME! Nowt wrong with the last two vids either, clearly shows the track bed and if nothing else, reminds me how bleak and windy British beaches can be.... no sand on the south coast ones, either! Alright, the Northumberland beaches are bleak & windy too - but they have sand, not shingle......  :D :beers:

Remarkable stuff. Definitely think you should at least park a stationary one near your pier, Moogle!!
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bad Raven on July 23, 2013, 08:49:09 am
I grew up in Brighton in the 50's, left 1961 age 11.

The Volks railway on the beach (still there), what was left of the Daddy Long Legs, and the miniature Southdown coaches with small petrol engines which operated rides in a beach compound were only SOME of the eccentricities.

There was also a large slot car track in some under promenade arches west of Palace Pier, one that had real engines with electrically hand controlled throttles.

No model railway that I can recall.

Electrically the salt water was of course a conductor (and highly corrosive), but the device was overhead supplied. As one car only it didn't need track circuiting!!!   :D

Its rapid demise was due to it being unprotected from storms, etc.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bad Raven on July 23, 2013, 08:57:39 am
P.S. - inevitably there are several errors in the programme!!

The best source for "The Brighton and Rottingdean Seashore Electric Tramroad" (no wonder it was nicknamed the Daddy-long-legs!!) is

"Volk's Railway, Brighton", by Alan A Jackson, published by the light railway transport league and 10p when issued!!

Another similar car ran across St Malo harbour, and the Dutch had diesel canal ferries for many years that used the sunken track principle.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on July 23, 2013, 12:01:31 pm
Errors in programmes and the odd historical error apart, I am amazed that such a thing ever existed at all!  :beers:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on September 06, 2013, 04:21:08 pm
Time for an update!
Having not done any work on Esling for a few weeks I've suddenly had a creative surge!
I've replaced all the curves that were not 140mm radius with that size as I've decided that
my trams will be small 4 wheeled single deck 'demi cars'.
These were one man operated and had an entrance at one end only.
It means I'll have to scratchbuild them all but this way I can make a chassis to suit.
A simple sort as it only needs one axle driven. My kind of simplicity!
The track alterations mean I have a straighter reverse curve which is better for buildings.

My attention has turned away from the pier for now and has focused on the tram car shed.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling87_zpsd7953b09.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling87_zpsd7953b09.jpg.html)

This was after acquiring a second Dapol 'OO' platform canopy kit on a visit to Trident Trains last bank holiday weekend.
A good shop for N gauge incidentally!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling84_zps5722fa96.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling84_zps5722fa96.jpg.html)

It will actually be the biggest building on the layout but it is also the most important!  :laugh:
The buildings in the top right corner in the photo above will be a brewery complex as I needed some industry represented.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling85_zpsa7c25fbc.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling85_zpsa7c25fbc.jpg.html)

I have, in typical fashion of the time, put nice fancy ironwork in amongst the beams and girders.
Will probably pick these out in a different colour eventually.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling92_zps39471913.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling92_zps39471913.jpg.html)

Metcalf brick card is used (Flemish Bond), plus Evergeen styrene clapboard sheeting and beams.
The fancy ironwork is by Scalelink.
The window and door at the end are just painted onto some clear plastic!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling86_zps2fc97e13.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling86_zps2fc97e13.jpg.html)

The gaps in the track will be where I will cut out inspection pits.
Overhead wires will be suspended from the girders.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling88_zps8fda07a8.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling88_zps8fda07a8.jpg.html)

Still work to do of course and there will be a chimney on this corner for the electricity generator.
The side extension needs a wall as it will house the generator, stores, workshop and office.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling91_zps1f622f70.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling91_zps1f622f70.jpg.html)

I wanted to give the shed an extended look as though its grown from its from its horse drawn beginnings.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling89_zps2fe3898b.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling89_zps2fe3898b.jpg.html)

Hence the mixture of materials.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling90_zps734964b2.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling90_zps734964b2.jpg.html)

The tram shed doors will be wooden and probably built from stripwood as I think they'll look better that way.
That's all for now...  :wave:

 



Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: scotsoft on September 06, 2013, 04:37:08 pm
The inside will look good with a contrasting colour on the steelwork  :thumbsup:

Your creative surge certainly has been surging judging by the progress you have made, well done  ;)

cheers John.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on September 06, 2013, 05:04:47 pm
 :thankyousign:

Yes, a contrasting colour is what I meant. Something that will pick the detail out on them.
As long as I keep the era in mind and don't make it too garish!  :laugh:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Newportnobby on September 06, 2013, 05:45:43 pm
Smashing bit of scratchbuilding, Moogle :thumbsup:
 :wonderfulmodelling:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: davieb on September 06, 2013, 05:49:36 pm
Great work Moogle  :thumbsup:

I am very impressed with the interior steelwork  8)

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: daveg on September 08, 2013, 12:33:48 pm
Great stuff!  :thumbsup: Like the detailing.

Thanks for the update.

Dave G
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on September 09, 2013, 09:28:57 am
 :thankyousign: for the nice comments. I've done a bit more over the weekend.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling93_zpsd40bf038.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling93_zpsd40bf038.jpg.html)

The builders have been in and made the side wall, added doors and windows but not got round to the roof yet.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling95_zpscbff8baf.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling95_zpscbff8baf.jpg.html)

You can see some steps (on the right) in this shot.
The windows, being large and at the front, made it obvious the inside was empty so I'm putting in a basic interior to 'suggest' whats inside!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling94_zps1883a330.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling94_zps1883a330.jpg.html)

The chimney is 165 mm tall including base. Yes, that's a good 80 feet high!  :o
But then they tended to be big things. It will need a few more details on it like iron bands of course.
This is my 1st attempt at a brick chimney and I'm pleased with the result so far!  8)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: scotsoft on September 09, 2013, 12:04:14 pm
You would have made Fred Dibnah proud with that chimney  :D

cheers John.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: daveg on September 09, 2013, 12:08:00 pm
You would have made Fred Dibnah proud with that chimney  :D

cheers John.

Pipped me to the post on that, John!

Impressive indeed.  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: scotsoft on September 09, 2013, 12:10:57 pm
You would have made Fred Dibnah proud with that chimney  :D

cheers John.

Pipped me to the post on that, John!

Impressive indeed.  :thumbsup:

Dave G

It is indeed a mighty erection Dave  :D

Many bricks required to build that one.

cheers John.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: 4x2 on September 09, 2013, 12:57:49 pm
...and Fred would of loved to pull that one down as well !  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on September 09, 2013, 05:42:47 pm
 :thankyousign: He would have been proud I'm sure.

Speak of the devil, look who's appeared...

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling96_zpsd0b5398a.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling96_zpsd0b5398a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: scotsoft on September 09, 2013, 05:48:31 pm
Did you scratch build those moogle?

cheers John.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on September 09, 2013, 06:18:21 pm
No, the traction engine and living van are kits. By Fleetline if I remember rightly.
I painted them green a few years back as its:

 a) typical colour scheme of the era

and

b) as a nod to Fred himself.

Figure is by Model Power, possibly from the 'steam era' set.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: N Gauge Bob on September 15, 2013, 10:55:59 am
I grew up in Brighton in the 50's, left 1961 age 11.

The Volks railway on the beach (still there), what was left of the Daddy Long Legs, and the miniature Southdown coaches with small petrol engines which operated rides in a beach compound were only SOME of the eccentricities.

There was also a large slot car track in some under promenade arches west of Palace Pier, one that had real engines with electrically hand controlled throttles.

No model railway that I can recall.

Electrically the salt water was of course a conductor (and highly corrosive), but the device was overhead supplied. As one car only it didn't need track circuiting!!!   :D

Its rapid demise was due to it being unprotected from storms, etc.

I too grew up in Brighton, well Hove actually  ::), in the 50s / 60s and remember all the things you mention here. I was 16 when I officially departed in 1968.
However I seem to remember underneath the prom in one of the units somewhere towards the underpass that went from the beach to West Street, there was a large O Gauge model railway of some substance. It later moved in the 80s I think to under the main road arch under Brighton Station and to my knowledge it is still in there long lost and forgotten, although I am sure someone will correct me.
I wonder how many remember that Brighton had 3 piers...Palace, West and Chain.

Bob
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: MinZaPint on September 15, 2013, 06:06:40 pm
I just love the originality of this layout, great work Moogle inspiring as always  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on September 15, 2013, 08:56:48 pm
I wonder how many remember that Brighton had 3 piers...Palace, West and Chain.

Bob


I think Brighton was the only place in the UK other than Blackpool to have 3 piers.

http://www.piers.org.uk/pierpages/NPSbrightonpalace.html (http://www.piers.org.uk/pierpages/NPSbrightonpalace.html)
http://www.piers.org.uk/pierpages/NPSbrightonwest.html (http://www.piers.org.uk/pierpages/NPSbrightonwest.html)
http://www.piers.org.uk/pierpages/NPSbrightonchain.html (http://www.piers.org.uk/pierpages/NPSbrightonchain.html)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Vigo on September 19, 2013, 04:34:44 pm
:thankyousign: everyone. It's taking me a while, but it will be all worth it in the end.
A 'classic' in the making as Bealman says it may be. I've had a go at modelling the era before,
[url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=8033.msg88612#msg88612[/url] ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=8033.msg88612#msg88612[/url])
and its not as easy as say the 1950's or modern day, but it can be done.

Superb.  :claphappy:  :claphappy:  :claphappy:

Suggest you extend the board marginally at the sea end and install one of these from the end of the pier:-
(http://[url=http://www.urban75.org/blog/images/brighton-beach-volks-railway-04.jpg]http://www.urban75.org/blog/images/brighton-beach-volks-railway-04.jpg[/url])

([url]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_d0aQae2awa0/TH_SQP_Ij4I/AAAAAAAAA2I/AuKhazeM9HE/s1600/Daddy+longlegs.jpg[/url])


Ah, the Rottingdean Daddy Longlegs!
One tramway I think you'll never see modelled with the 'tram' moving!  :laugh:
No space for extensions I'm afraid.
If there was, I'd have a longer pier!  8)


Mine does. Admittedly only about a foot in either direction but it does move.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/scorpion_24v/RW%20stuff/Other%20Things/DLLM006_zpsa58c9da6.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/scorpion_24v/media/RW%20stuff/Other%20Things/DLLM006_zpsa58c9da6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: CarriageShed on September 20, 2013, 11:49:18 am
For a first ever post, Vigo, that was a good one. Nice work on the longlegs  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: daveg on September 20, 2013, 04:25:39 pm
Nice one, Vigo.  :thumbsup:

Why not start your own thread and tell us a bit about yourself and your modelling interests and plans?

Dave G
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on September 20, 2013, 05:44:46 pm
:thankyousign: everyone. It's taking me a while, but it will be all worth it in the end.
A 'classic' in the making as Bealman says it may be. I've had a go at modelling the era before,
[url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=8033.msg88612#msg88612[/url] ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=8033.msg88612#msg88612[/url])
and its not as easy as say the 1950's or modern day, but it can be done.

Superb.  :claphappy:  :claphappy:  :claphappy:

Suggest you extend the board marginally at the sea end and install one of these from the end of the pier:-
(http://[url=http://www.urban75.org/blog/images/brighton-beach-volks-railway-04.jpg]http://www.urban75.org/blog/images/brighton-beach-volks-railway-04.jpg[/url])

([url]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_d0aQae2awa0/TH_SQP_Ij4I/AAAAAAAAA2I/AuKhazeM9HE/s1600/Daddy+longlegs.jpg[/url])


Ah, the Rottingdean Daddy Longlegs!
One tramway I think you'll never see modelled with the 'tram' moving!  :laugh:
No space for extensions I'm afraid.
If there was, I'd have a longer pier!  8)


Mine does. Admittedly only about a foot in either direction but it does move.

([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/scorpion_24v/RW%20stuff/Other%20Things/DLLM006_zpsa58c9da6.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://smg.photobucket.com/user/scorpion_24v/media/RW%20stuff/Other%20Things/DLLM006_zpsa58c9da6.jpg.html[/url])


Nice daddy longlegs, Vigo!  :thumbsup:
That just shows that however impossible it seems to make a working model of something, someone will!  :laugh:

Not done much to Esling as I'm full of cold and can't concentrate!  :'(  :veryangry:
Have drawn up a rough plan of the layout now it has new curves.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling97_zps7937a2aa.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling97_zps7937a2aa.jpg.html)

Its not to scale and no where near final but it should give you a general idea of whats planned. 
No extensions are planned, the options there though should the opportunity ever arise.
That's it for now, I'm off to make some hot lemon! :wave:




Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: MinZaPint on September 21, 2013, 09:51:01 am
For a first ever post, Vigo, that was a good one. Nice work on the longlegs  :thumbsup:


As a fan of long shapely legs!  :-[ (http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/spider-smiley.gif) (http://cool-smileys.com//spider-smiley) I have to agree
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Jerry Howlett on September 21, 2013, 10:32:03 am
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Not done much to Esling as I'm full of cold and can't concentrate!  :'(  :veryangry:

That's it for now, I'm off to make some hot lemon! :wave:

Moogle remember their are women on this forum...

We don't get colds..........
ITS MAN FLU !!!!

Jerry
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Caz on September 21, 2013, 12:02:08 pm

Moogle remember their are women on this forum...

We don't get colds..........
ITS MAN FLU !!!!

Jerry

 :laughabovepost:   :laughabovepost:   :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Vigo on September 21, 2013, 05:17:37 pm
Looking at that rough plan you've drawn out there, the end of the pier would be an ideal location for my Daddy Longlegs, without much (if any) alteration to the plan.

Make me an offer if you're interested (you may be surprised, I tend to make things for the sake of it then throw them away).


Regarding starting my own thread. I will do, one day.
In my garage I have a rather nice 15'x3' 2mm model of the village I live in (on the Woodhead Line), set in the transition steam/electric period, as exact and precise as I can get it. For the last 5 years it's been very much a work in progress but it's getting there and one day I'll get round to telling you all about it. Honest.


Oh, and Man Flu sucks. I've had that, and full blown Manfluenza, Beerbonic plague and many other life threatening (to us blokes) ailments. You have my sympathy.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on September 25, 2013, 10:54:33 pm
Well my cold man-flu is getting better. At least I can concentrate now!  :laugh:

Thanks for the offer Vigo but I'll pass.
Piers in place, waves and sea modelled so it would be too much to undo.
And the layout can't grow any more as I haven't the room in my flat!
Still, someone on here might be interested, you never know...

Not worked on the layout as such but have been tinkering with some road vehicles and figures.
Will try to post some pictures soon once I've done a bit more work/painting to them.

I've actually been reading a book I borrowed from the library on fashions from 1900.
For the period I'm modelling Esling in, 1910, I've now found that some of my womens big hats are too small!
The brims just got bigger and bigger. As did the hat decorations: artificial flowers, feathers and even whole stuffed birds!
Yes, fashion victims are nothing new...
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on September 29, 2013, 02:54:02 pm
Been working on a car

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/The%20Workbench/car5_zps91fac3a3.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/The%20Workbench/car5_zps91fac3a3.jpg.html)

and some figures

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/The%20Workbench/people3_zps2b72b0a9.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/The%20Workbench/people3_zps2b72b0a9.jpg.html)

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=15815.new#new (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=15815.new#new) for more details.

I've smartened up the front and sides of the layout and painted on the name on the front.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling98_zpsab380a23.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling98_zpsab380a23.jpg.html)

In a period font of course!  :laugh:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Jerry Howlett on September 29, 2013, 05:28:58 pm
Beside The Seaside (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-0BprqQQf8#ws)

Go for it Moogle!!!
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on October 01, 2013, 07:26:22 pm
Er... yes, something like that Jerry!  :laugh:
If and that's a big IF, there is room in the park for a bandstand then who knows what might be heard...  ;)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: scotsoft on October 05, 2013, 05:32:03 pm
Er... yes, something like that Jerry!  :laugh:
If and that's a big IF, there is room in the park for a bandstand then who knows what might be heard...  ;)

Shapeways do a lovely Victorian Bandstand but it is very expensive  :goggleeyes:

https://www.shapeways.com/model/574682/n-scale-1-160-bandstand-with-railings-stairs.html?li=search-results&materialId=61 (https://www.shapeways.com/model/574682/n-scale-1-160-bandstand-with-railings-stairs.html?li=search-results&materialId=61)

cheers John.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on October 06, 2013, 11:02:28 pm
Thats lovely but expensive. Might not have one yet, town planners haven't decided!
Started work on the esplanade as it'll be easier to carry on the work on the pier afterwards.
The tram track is running up the middle of it.
I'll post  :camera: once its a bit more complete!  :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Oldman on October 06, 2013, 11:18:01 pm
Bandstand half way down the page.
http://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Shire_Scenes_1_160.html (http://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Shire_Scenes_1_160.html)
Seats and music stands there as well. ::)

Looking good.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on November 12, 2013, 09:38:56 pm
Time for an update.

Still no news on if the park will get a bandstand or not, Esling council are saying nothing.

Work has been going on along the esplanade.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling99_zps20d458f8.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling99_zps20d458f8.jpg.html)

Track's been filled in and the road surface made up.
The road would be made using the Macadam method, 'Tarmacadam' hasn't got here yet!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling103_zps760e49d7.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling103_zps760e49d7.jpg.html)

You may also have noticed not only a wide pavement but some shelters being built too.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling100_zps1b29d303.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling100_zps1b29d303.jpg.html)

These have necessitated the widening in places of the esplanade.
Infilled arches are being built for these.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling102_zpsfb01e980.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling102_zpsfb01e980.jpg.html)

The road on the backscene will need reworking of course but then this is a work in progress so change is inevitable!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling101_zpsceec5dcb.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling101_zpsceec5dcb.jpg.html)

Works slowed down due to other commitments but Ill keep posting any developements. Thats all for now  :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on November 13, 2013, 05:38:49 am
I'm a great fan of your work and have been wondering how the layout's been going since getting home after my Frodo adventure.

Good to see all is well!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Jerry Howlett on November 13, 2013, 10:17:54 am
Keep em coming Moogle.  I take it the precariously positioned buildings are seaside shelters awaiting the prom to be built.

Jerry  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on November 22, 2013, 02:33:42 pm
Keep em coming Moogle.  I take it the precariously positioned buildings are seaside shelters awaiting the prom to be built.

Jerry  :thumbsup:


Spot on Jerry!

Some works gone on.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling110_zps0fdb63cd.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling110_zps0fdb63cd.jpg.html)

Not just to the prom but shelters too.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling106_zps0542cec5.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling106_zps0542cec5.jpg.html)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling109_zps61b7af52.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling109_zps61b7af52.jpg.html)

All of the valencing and roof ridging is made from card making 'peel offs' stuck to some thin card.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling105_zps2babd73f.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling105_zps2babd73f.jpg.html)

Backs are done too.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling107_zps3add11da.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling107_zps3add11da.jpg.html)

None of them are stuck down yet and they both need finishing off.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling108_zps6f9152d5.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling108_zps6f9152d5.jpg.html)

Still got stonework to scribe and painting to do.
Thats all for now  :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Newportnobby on November 22, 2013, 03:35:14 pm
Clever stuff, Moogle :thumbsup:
Doncha just love some of those road vehicles :)
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: keerout on November 22, 2013, 06:12:54 pm
Wow! I really like your people!  :thumbsup:
Gerard  :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: scotsoft on November 22, 2013, 07:13:05 pm
Very good use of card making stock and you have done a cracking job on the people  :claphappy:

cheers John.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on November 22, 2013, 08:52:16 pm
Thanks guys.  :thumbsup:

Some of the people and road vehicles aren't finished yet, still need painting.
I'll eventually need a lot more of each and certainly more Hansom cabs for the road.
What I really need are a couple of Broughams (4 wheeled Hansom's basically) but no one seems to make any in N scale.
Guess I'll be doing my own then!

The shelters are mainly card superglued together with a bit of model filler where needed.
I find card a very useful medium to work in yet am fussy about using card kits!  :confused1:
Still, its often free so I can't complain!  :laugh:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on November 22, 2013, 11:05:04 pm
Yeah, I've always liked working with card, though I have experimented with sheet styrene quite successfully.

Love the populace! Keep the pics comin', buddy!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on December 20, 2013, 07:11:39 pm
Last update of the year.
Been slow has progress and will be no more until 2014!

Started work on the pier seating-cum-railings.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling114_zps08e9ff80.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling114_zps08e9ff80.jpg.html)

Bit blurred but it basically 'L' shaped timber on bits of matchsticks. Needs loads more work yet.

Given the sea shelters a coat of white paint.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling111_zps04c45727.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling111_zps04c45727.jpg.html)

You may have also noticed the fencing along the esplanade.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling112_zpsd23de7d5.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling112_zpsd23de7d5.jpg.html)

Its some old Peco fencing minus the bottom bar.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling113_zps40531329.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling113_zps40531329.jpg.html)

Once finished I will paint it white and whatever colour I decide on for the pier and shelters.
Thats it for now, Merry Christmas everyone and I'll see you all in the New Year.  :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Jerry Howlett on December 21, 2013, 12:49:30 pm
Reserve me a seat for the promenade concert. :thumbsup:
Looking good Moogle!

Jerry
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on December 21, 2013, 10:01:30 pm
Wot he said.  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on April 06, 2014, 12:20:38 am
Well, can't believe its been four months since my last post! Still, here's an update.

Not done much to the layout, mainly building the entrance booths and started painting everything.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling104_zps1197bf88.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling104_zps1197bf88.jpg.html)

Decided on blue as its very seaside-ish!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling109_zps00f06e07.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling109_zps00f06e07.jpg.html)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling105_zps8585c53e.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling105_zps8585c53e.jpg.html)

The pier entrance. Pay your halfpence here...

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling106_zps1c5a12af.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling106_zps1c5a12af.jpg.html)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling107_zps5678ba0f.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling107_zps5678ba0f.jpg.html)

We've seating too now...

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling112_zps34478f38.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling112_zps34478f38.jpg.html)

The new blue paint suits the pier nicely!

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling111_zps26fc9468.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling111_zps26fc9468.jpg.html)

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling110_zps6ac92c92.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling110_zps6ac92c92.jpg.html)

Still have painting to touch up in places but the pier and esplanade are starting to look rather good.
That's it for now, hopefully not as long to the next one!  :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on April 06, 2014, 12:34:54 am
Great to see you back! I love this project!  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Jerry Howlett on April 06, 2014, 08:20:19 am
A day at the seaside sung by Vince Hill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juyFLJl5CEw#ws)

What more can I add.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Newportnobby on April 06, 2014, 12:56:07 pm

What more can I add.

An apology for posting it? :-X
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Jerry Howlett on April 06, 2014, 05:02:15 pm
Even Mrs "H" wouldn't admit to knowing that song!

Apologies to all...
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on May 19, 2014, 09:30:48 pm
Nice to see you guys like it.  :)

Haven't done a lot due to time needed for other things like coursework but I have managed to do some experimenting.

Been making period street lamps using 3mm beads for the 'lamp' part and plastic rod with etched brass brackets.
Some of these use Peco track pins bent over at the end at right angles for the 'lamp' to sit on.
It just so happens that the pin head is a fraction bigger than the bead's hole!

No photo's as yet but I will post some soon, probably after I've painted a few.

Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on May 21, 2014, 11:44:09 am
Photo time as promised! First of all, lamp making:

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling128_zps2b41b059.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling128_zps2b41b059.jpg.html)

3mm beads.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling129_zps9eaedd2e.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling129_zps9eaedd2e.jpg.html)

bend a peco track pin at 90 degrees

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling130_zps5402e7a9.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling130_zps5402e7a9.jpg.html)

put on bead and push to pin head.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling131_zps8597b537.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling131_zps8597b537.jpg.html)

lamp ready to add and put on walls and buildings

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling127_zps38c9a36c.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling127_zps38c9a36c.jpg.html)

heres some more that have been made and in some cases undercoated.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling126_zpsf073f0d6.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling126_zpsf073f0d6.jpg.html)

The pier entrance now has lights

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling125_zps00523c86.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling125_zps00523c86.jpg.html)

as does the pier. The pier head building is still in the dark though.

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab257/Kilnevan/Esling/esling124_zpsd9570a1f.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/Kilnevan/media/Esling/esling124_zpsd9570a1f.jpg.html)

streetlamps for the promenade!

Still need painting up and I've a lot of lamps to make still for streets and buildings.
Some may be less elaborate for the location they'll be in, back streets for example.
Thats it for now  :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Malc on May 21, 2014, 11:47:53 am
They really look the part Moogle, but where did you get the beads from and also where did the fancy scroll work come from?
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on May 21, 2014, 11:57:50 am
Just what I'm wondering... looks like etched brass!
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on May 21, 2014, 01:29:33 pm
Thanks guys. They are indeed etched brass by scalelink. The posts used so far are adapted from the tram masts you get in the old tomix street paving kit. They were a bit modern but with a bit of chopping and some etched bits added I think now look the part.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on May 21, 2014, 01:34:43 pm
Beads come from a haberdashery stall in Birkenhead market or from the bead shop in Liverpool just along the road from hattons. Be warned though, there's a very tempting cake shop near it...
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Malc on October 18, 2015, 07:39:23 pm
How is Esling going, @moogle (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=155) ?
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Newportnobby on October 18, 2015, 09:19:18 pm
Moogle was last logged in January 23rd this year, Malc :worried:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Malc on October 19, 2015, 11:11:14 am
I noticed he'd not been posting, hence the @. He might reply to the mail. I really enjoyed his thread and was reminded of it when I saw on old picture of New Street Station with trams going around it.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: moogle on October 27, 2015, 03:38:38 pm
Hi Malc, apologies for the delay in getting back to you.
I've not done any work on Esling for nearly a year infact i've not done any modelling since last December!  >:(
Reasons being that i've had a lot of personal stuff to deal with: attending courses and becoming a dad for example.
So time for modelling or even going on forums is practically non existent at the moment  :'(
Hopefully that might change in the near future!  :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: MinZaPint on October 27, 2015, 05:34:52 pm
Hi Moogle,
like a lot of others on here I have enjoyed your posts and look forward to hearing from you when convenient.
Best wishes   David  Oh and congrats on becoming a dad  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: keerout on October 27, 2015, 06:50:45 pm
Hi Moogle,
Good to hear all is well.
Becoming a dad goes before all else ofcourse! (boy or girl?)
And if you look at it in an other way, becoming a dad is just another way of modelling..  ;)
Take care,
Gerard  :wave:
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Ditape on October 27, 2015, 07:04:17 pm
Congratulations on the addition to the family, new arrivals do tend to take up your time, but you have a future help mate ;) .
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Malc on October 27, 2015, 07:14:55 pm
Glad you are still with us, but understand about family additions. They do tend to fill all the available time. Hope wife and offspring are both OK.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Bealman on October 27, 2015, 07:49:29 pm
Best wishes from me too, I'm another great fan of your tram layout.   :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Geoff on October 27, 2015, 08:12:14 pm
Congrats moogle and best wishes for the future with your new baby.
Title: Re: ESLING - Moogles new Edwardian Seaside Layout
Post by: Newportnobby on October 27, 2015, 08:27:26 pm
Very best wishes to you both on the arrival of your ankle-biter :D
I hope all are doing well :beers: