Hattons just cancelled my order for the class 40 with sound due to short supply from Farish, I understand they are not the only retailer to be in the same postion.
Ron
Quote from: RonDB on December 21, 2017, 04:04:21 PM
Hattons just cancelled my order for the class 40 with sound due to short supply from Farish, I understand they are not the only retailer to be in the same postion.
Ron
I notice it seems to have completely disappeared off the Hattons website as well. Rails were showing it in stock earlier today.
Ian Allen rang me yesterday to say one had arrived for me. Not sure if they have any more in stock.
Of....course!
Hatton's cancelled mine to not a happy chap rails and kernow out of stock
got one from Cheltenham model shop in the end but cost me quit a bit more
Grr!!
So I've had this on preorder forever, and Hattons just says, "Sorry, too bad." And that's it for me? What now?
Quote from: scottmitchell74 on December 21, 2017, 11:14:43 PM
Grr!!
So I've had this on preorder forever, and Hattons just says, "Sorry, too bad." And that's it for me? What now?
Try Peter's Spares?
Thanks! Shipping to the US is 28+ Pounds!
Thanks!
Your help spurred me to be proactive, and I found Antics had some, as well, so I have one ordered.
Quote from: scottmitchell74 on December 21, 2017, 11:14:43 PM
Grr!!
So I've had this on preorder forever, and Hattons just says, "Sorry, too bad." And that's it for me? What now?
Hi
Just one the reasons I don't preorder with Hattons anymore.
Cheers
Paul
Model Railways Direct are showing this loco at £178.46p, with 18 in stock, (presumably plus postage).
Quote from: PaulCheffus on December 22, 2017, 09:28:25 AM
Quote from: scottmitchell74 on December 21, 2017, 11:14:43 PM
Grr!!
So I've had this on preorder forever, and Hattons just says, "Sorry, too bad." And that's it for me? What now?
Hi
Just one the reasons I don't preorder with Hattons anymore.
Cheers
Paul
i have had about 50 pre orders with Hatton's and this is the First time this has happened to me
In a way its a good thing ,Hattons couldn't supply made me have a re-think do I run everything I have now.
The other half said I am sure someone in this age makes something that would make sounds for everything rather that one loco.
So in the new year might have a look at the Brimal CP800 bit more expensive that the Class 40 but may be a compromise
Although you don't seem to see many comments about and it the past I have used Kaidaer speakers under the baseboard with recorded sounds.
So sounds like some thinking time over chirstmas.
Ron
I got one from the local model shop (Monk Bar Models in York) this morning. They still had at least one more left if anyone is still looking
Quote from: Lindi on December 21, 2017, 09:35:52 PM
Peters Spares are showing 7 in stock @ £178.46 + £6.99 p&p
http://www.petersspares.com/graham-farish-371183ds-class-40-no-40141-br-blue-split-head-code-dcc-sound-fitted-n-gauge.ir (http://www.petersspares.com/graham-farish-371183ds-class-40-no-40141-br-blue-split-head-code-dcc-sound-fitted-n-gauge.ir)
Now only 2 in stock.
Quote from: dannyboy on December 22, 2017, 10:05:46 AM
Model Railways Direct are showing this loco at £178.46p, with 18 in stock, (presumably plus postage).
14 in stock.
https://www.modelrailwaysdirect.co.uk/locomotives-diesel-electric-n/graham-farish-371-183ds-class-40-40141-br-blue-split-head-code-dcc-sound/ (https://www.modelrailwaysdirect.co.uk/locomotives-diesel-electric-n/graham-farish-371-183ds-class-40-40141-br-blue-split-head-code-dcc-sound/)
Surprise surprise 24hrs after cancelling pre orders Hattons now say they stock available.
:) Rails of Sheffield advised today that mine is on its way - so assume this will arrive next week - happy days.
I picked mine up earlier but given that I won't be home from work until getting on for 11 tonight I think my wife would probably prefer me to test it in the morning!
Yeah, suddenly Hatton's has them again. I emailed them, and they processed the order. Woo!
Quote from: PaulCheffus on December 22, 2017, 09:28:25 AM
Quote from: scottmitchell74 on December 21, 2017, 11:14:43 PM
Grr!!
So I've had this on preorder forever, and Hattons just says, "Sorry, too bad." And that's it for me? What now?
Hi
Just one the reasons I don't preorder with Hattons anymore.
Cheers
Paul
Because Farish short change them on supply.
yeah makes sense :D
Quote from: Bingley Hall on December 24, 2017, 06:37:55 AM
Quote from: PaulCheffus on December 22, 2017, 09:28:25 AM
Quote from: scottmitchell74 on December 21, 2017, 11:14:43 PM
Grr!!
So I've had this on preorder forever, and Hattons just says, "Sorry, too bad." And that's it for me? What now?
Hi
Just one the reasons I don't preorder with Hattons anymore.
Cheers
Paul
Because Farish short change them on supply.
yeah makes sense :D
Hi
Nope because they let people down not because they don't get enough from the manufacturer. Their customer service has gone down hill.
Cheers
Paul
Quote from: PaulCheffus on December 24, 2017, 08:42:11 AM
Nope because they let people down not because they don't get enough from the manufacturer. Their customer service has gone down hill.
So how do you expect them to supply something which they don't have? If they have ordered say 200 and the supplier only sends 100, what do you think they should do?
Quote from: davidinyork on December 24, 2017, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: PaulCheffus on December 24, 2017, 08:42:11 AM
Nope because they let people down not because they don't get enough from the manufacturer. Their customer service has gone down hill.
So how do you expect them to supply something which they don't have? If they have ordered say 200 and the supplier only sends 100, what do you think they should do?
Hi
It's all down to the way it's dealt with and their attitude isn't the best. I speak from personal experience.
Cheers
Paul
I found one in the nearest model shop to me (Berkshire Dolls House in Twyford) whilst doing some last minute shopping (at our local vineyard!)
I've only run it on DC as I'm old fashioned. It is awesome. It just sits and iwhistles away to itself, turn up the controller and it accelerates away, slow down and it coasts along, whistling away.
Be warned, I don't think there is any going back.....
Happy Christmas everyone.
Pete @ EGLM
I emailed Hattons, they're not getting anymore. I'm shocked by how quickly the big players seem to have sold out. Is this normal for popular models or have Farish not made very many? I managed to get one from Model Railways Direct. I can't wait to give it go!
Quote from: RichardBattersby on December 26, 2017, 05:36:44 PM
I emailed Hattons, they're not getting anymore. I'm shocked by how quickly the big players seem to have sold out. Is this normal for popular models or have Farish not made very many? I managed to get one from Model Railways Direct. I can't wait to give it go!
The fact that it's the first N gauge loco with factory-fitted sound, a new tooling, and the first 40 with splitbox noses (the old tooling didn't have this variant) is probably why they sold out so quick!
Quote from: Pete @ EGLM on December 26, 2017, 01:34:09 AM
I found one in the nearest model shop to me (Berkshire Dolls House in Twyford) whilst doing some last minute shopping (at our local vineyard!)
I've only run it on DC as I'm old fashioned. It is awesome. It just sits and iwhistles away to itself, turn up the controller and it accelerates away, slow down and it coasts along, whistling away.
Be warned, I don't think there is any going back.....
Happy Christmas everyone.
Pete @ EGLM
i agree i only run DC and it's great i always thought sound was a bit of a gimmick but have now changed my mind
John
Quote from: JBQFC on December 26, 2017, 07:47:35 PM
Quote from: Pete @ EGLM on December 26, 2017, 01:34:09 AM
I found one in the nearest model shop to me (Berkshire Dolls House in Twyford) whilst doing some last minute shopping (at our local vineyard!)
I've only run it on DC as I'm old fashioned. It is awesome. It just sits and iwhistles away to itself, turn up the controller and it accelerates away, slow down and it coasts along, whistling away.
Be warned, I don't think there is any going back.....
Happy Christmas everyone.
Pete @ EGLM
i agree i only run DC and it's great i always thought sound was a bit of a gimmick but have now changed my mind
John
Welcome to the Dark Side!
Quote from: Railwaygun on December 26, 2017, 08:04:35 PM
Welcome to the Dark Side!
So as well as sound, you need an engine equipped with lights! :)
Driver training with the new type of traction (and the first loco ever with brakes) is underway...
Hi, If anyone is still looking to purchase one of these, Trainstop have 3 in stock at £178.46 with free P & P.
Hi gang,
Well collected mine from postie and following the good doctors advice dug out almost all of the grease in the gear boxes and it flys . Being a good old dino on dc I was intrested on how sound does.
Well to report using a duette controlller from the ark - I have both! and on full wave rectification and high resistance settings it is happily crawling on layout and "whistling like a good one".
You get engine start and a good ramp up as loco accelerates. By dipping controller you can get it to sing and then reapply power and it ramps up. Some brake sounds when stopping at lowest speeds and with loco stationary but knob on controller not quite off then enough power to leave engine running. Yes when now power total silence which is a bit eerie after being assailed by it whistling.
A while ago when on half speed I dropped power bit and the turbo whistled well and after about 10 seconds the engine retook "power" as if driver had reapplied - not that I had moved handle. Thus it looks some play value to be had "notching up and down to play to the audience is possible.
No horns of course but I can live with that. It is a very clever ploy to suck in non dcc modellers to the darkside ?!! and I am sure is a game changer as is the castle.
Loco has now been gently crawlling around my test track with 10 - 12 rad curves and a mix of setrack curved and med rad live frog trackwith no problems, bar the leading pony wheels might need a quick check over as it might be a bit narrow on its Back to Backs as it has found a point rail tip and dug in. Once rerailed it has run over same with no problems - may be more sentient than credit given. It it wants double volts on Sunday then defo an ASLEF loco !
Robert
She came!!
That's all I have for now. I've got Playoff Football to watch today, so I'm delaying the joy a little longer...but so exciting that she came!
Quote from: scottmitchell74 on January 06, 2018, 09:18:59 PM
She came!!
That's all I have for now. I've got Playoff Football to watch today, so I'm delaying the joy a little longer...but so exciting that she came!
I'm more excited about the playoffs :P ;)
Quote from: robert shrives on December 30, 2017, 06:19:52 PM
Hi gang,
Well collected mine from postie and following the good doctors advice dug out almost all of the grease in the gear boxes and it flys.
Robert
Hi Robert,
Nice write up. I have told Bachmann previously that they should do more to emphasise that the DCC sound models offer lots of play value to DC modellers too...
Incidentally, to remove the grease did you remove the bogies? Do they just unclip or does the body need to be removed?
cheers
Ben A.
Quote from: Ben A on January 07, 2018, 08:52:27 PM
Incidentally, to remove the grease did you remove the bogies? Do they just unclip or does the body need to be removed?
Ben,
As with all recent Farish the bogies just pull out - be careful of the detail parts. Internally, the bogie sideframes clip on as other Farish, but make sure you unclip from the rear clip, not the forward one as the rear one is smaller, and therefore easier to work with.
Once the bogie is out of the sideframe, clean off the grease, check and adjust the pickups if necessary (not all mine were in need, but some were), and relubricate sparingly with light oil and do the worm bearings while in there. Hopefully you should see a drop in current consumption and a corresponding increase in top speed, and of course the drop in current consumption will put less strain on the motor (particularly the fragile commutator on these coreless motors), which is obviously a good thing in the long run.
Hth,
Alan
Finally got her out of the box and on the track...to...nothing much. I don't know what's going on. She'll start making sounds (but I have to turn the controller way up) and then move a few inches, and then she powers down. What? Is it some sort of short? I tap the track, and she'll move a little more, then blink out. Grr!!
For contrast: Here's a Graham Farish running on the same Kato Unitrak. It's not the controller or the track.
I'm at a loss, and very frustrated. Been waiting so long for this girl.
What controller is being used?
I found my sound Castle on DC does not work properly on a Gaugemaster WS, but works fine on the W. The WS clearly has enough drop in voltage for its simulator to mean the Castle doesn't get enough volts to run at anything more than a crawl.
Cheers
Alan
It's a Kato Powerpack for Unitrack.
(http://marketplace-images.trainzauctions.com/436c0166786ed2fc96ec38f1662d14108679fc67-K4_001.jpg)
It maybe doesn't have the oopmh needed for sound loco.
I know Gaugemaster standard controllers do, as I say, and maybe Bachmann's own trainset controller would, so they might be options to try - the Bachmann controller can be had fairly cheap (£10-15). Maybe other folks working on DC can say what controllers they've had success on - I think someone said an old H+M duette too.
Otherwise, I'd try removing the DCC chip and running it on DC only and see - if it still runs wonky then there's probably a motor or drive issue, otherwise it's more likely it's not getting the volts needed to operate via the DCC chip fully.
Cheers,
Alan
So, I take out the DCC and put in the DC one they sent along with it? Geez...all these scary movements I didn't sign on for! Thanks for your help.
Quote from: scottmitchell74 on January 09, 2018, 04:06:22 PM
So, I take out the DCC and put in the DC one they sent along with it? Geez...all these scary movements I didn't sign on for! Thanks for your help.
Yes. It just unplugs, so should be easy to do. Look for the thread on removing the 40 body as there are a few subtle clips on the front end that aren't immediately obvious.
Cheers,
Alan
Dr. Al - You nailed it! Switched out the Dcc for Dc, and she's running-in right now every smoothly.
SO, I have to get a more powerful controller? Ah?! Defeats the purpose of buying the Kato pack. Well, that's life, and another lesson.
Thanks again!!
Looks like it.
I suspect the DCC chip needs fairly close to the 12V to work properly on DC (After all, on DCC they run on 16v AC). I suspect on my WS the additional circuitry for the simulator causes a small drop, even when switched off, that doesn't bother DC locos whose motors are fed direct, but does this as the DCC chip needs to be powered, as does the speaker and it controls the power going to the actual motor.
I too thought my Castle was busted when I first ran it on this particular controller! (though I knew it'd worked before, so was able to figure this out quickly!).
You can always use the Kato controller to power layout lights or accessories.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on January 09, 2018, 04:25:15 PM
I suspect the DCC chip needs fairly close to the 12V to work properly on DC (After all, on DCC they run on 16v AC).
Is the available current also likely to be an issue? I've not looked to see whether the maximum which can be drawn varies much between different controllers.
Quote from: davidinyork on January 09, 2018, 04:28:25 PM
Is the available current also likely to be an issue? I've not looked to see whether the maximum which can be drawn varies much between different controllers.
No. I have ammeters permanently wired to all my controllers, and they don't draw any significant current - way less than 100mA for the castle, 70mA for a DC Class 40. The current trip on the Gaugemaster controller is 1 AMP - i.e. at least 10x more than these draw.
Therefore it's voltage I think.
Cheers,
Alan