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Royal Train Coaching Stock
« on: March 28, 2017, 03:45:45 pm »
Please help.
I have obtained the excellent 9 car Royal Train Electra Railway Graphics overlays to convert 2 Farish Mk2s and 7 Farish Mk3s. I have started to strip the bodies with nail varnish remover which is working well. But before I start painting the roofs and under frames, I am finding it difficult to find specific details for each coach. For example how many additional roof vents or how many under frame boxes are needed and what needs cutting off/ modifying. I have got some photographs from Google searches but none of the photos are square on to get things in proportion. The 2 Mk2s seem to need a lot of work to get them right.
Does anyone know if any detailed articles have ever been written on converting the carriages or of any reference books which show detailed drawings? Thank you.
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Re: Royal Train Coaching Stock
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2017, 03:51:04 pm »
Your unlikely to find much "detailed" information as they were a classified project. (Ex Wolverton Works bod!)

You'll probably only get what can be successfully gleaned from photos.

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Re: Royal Train Coaching Stock
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2017, 04:02:24 pm »
If you drop this chap a PM he might have some info available.......................

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=17565.msg192702#msg192702

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Re: Royal Train Coaching Stock
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2017, 04:02:56 pm »
Get yourself a copy of Rail Express 117 (Feb 2006). The modelling section featured a OO Gauge model of the Royal Train.

The Mk3s vary little from standard loco hauled Mk3 coaches (many came from the Prototype HST). The underframe & roof is reasonably standard, whilst the catering vehicles have extra vents as you'd expect.

The generator fitted Mk2 had an exhaust fitted to the roof and a fuel tank fitted to the underframe.

There are plenty of photos of the train (including the roof) on the Internet.

One thing to watch out for is the colour of the springs and axle boxes on the bogies. There was some variation between vehicles, and even on the same carriage.

If you've found pictures that are slightly off square then using an image editing program such as GIMP or Photoshop can take the skew out allowing for more accurate guestimates, otherwise just make a guess based on nearby windows.

Happy modelling.

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Re: Royal Train Coaching Stock
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2017, 04:09:56 pm »
Here's another set made by Shaun Harvey..............

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=29849.0

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Re: Royal Train Coaching Stock
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2017, 05:12:34 pm »
Thank you to all for your help so far.
I have ordered a copy of Rail Express.
Where do people get wire for handrails, battery boxes, frame detailing and roof vents from?
Thanks again.
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Re: Royal Train Coaching Stock
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2017, 06:18:50 pm »
hi I modified mine from

There is no proper generator in the set, there were two but the earlier conversion (2905) was sold to Riviera Trains,  http://rollingstock..../p49653391.html and is usually the first coach in a formation. You would have to use the Hurst etched sides or do a bit of plastic surgery on a Hornby or Lima Mk2 brake like I did, or use another model of 2921 for completeness.

Next comes a MK3 sleeper 2914 but this coach was also sold to a railtour company leaving 2915 as the only Mk3 Sleeper derived coach. This vehicle has a large window in the side


Then the proper Royal Coaches will follow, 2903 & 2904 , 2922 & 2923


The last coach will be 2921: http://rollingstock..../p49653370.html

I used

Electra overlays on donor coaches
plus bits from sourced train modelmaking companies using the Hurst overlays, I have a few etches including the decals and have already got the paint from cjm

plus Brasso or T-Cut (not a coloured one though) and it takes me about 20 mins per coach, don't forget to scrub it clean afterwards to get rid of the residue

http://www.hurstmodels.com/2/2mm_mk3-4.htm

hope helps - sorry in  a big rush

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Re: Royal Train Coaching Stock
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2017, 11:45:00 am »
Hi, I was lucky enough to buy the rake that Shaun built.

If it's of any help to you. I recently purchased Modern locomotive illustrated annual 2. It has a full chapter on the royal train coaches with detailed pic's of the side's of each coach and purpose.


Look at this on eBay  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302031976864

Hope this helps. I have no connection to the link above. Just thought you might be interested
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Re: Royal Train Coaching Stock
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2017, 01:15:36 pm »
Thank you Porkie and Crewearpley40 for your help.
Thanks for the heads up, I have ordered a copy of Modern Locos Illustrated No2 off eBay.
Does anyone know what size wire is used for coach / loco handrails and where it can be obtained from? Also does anyone make coach under frame boxes or roof vents, etc?
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Re: Royal Train Coaching Stock
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2017, 07:48:57 pm »
you may already know there is also the Royal sleeping car coach in the GF Members club list

http://bachmann-collectorsclub.co.uk/products/n-scale-royal-train-sleeping-car-no-2908.html

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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2017, 08:32:02 pm »

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Re: Royal Train Coaching Stock
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2017, 08:55:20 pm »

Here's my thread on my NGS award winning Royal Train build.http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=19095.0

Please be aware that the MK2's are MK2b's so if you use old Farish MK2's you'll have to remove the ribs and the Water Tanks.

Take a good look at photo's as the roof details do change, I spent quite a bit of time looking at photo's to ensure the shape and location of the different roof vents. The MK2's are a bit of a mish-mash of underframe details and roof details, which change over time.

One of the roof pods is a comms pod and as technology changes the pod changes, so just check a photo for the time you are modelling.

The modern Royal Train that Adam does, came into existence from about 1986 onwards, when the MK2's were converted. My next project is the Silver Jubilee one, I did the research for Adam to produce the vinyls, so I'm desperately collecting Farish MK1's ready to strip.

Cheers

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Re: Royal Train Coaching Stock
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2017, 09:19:28 pm »
Hi Neal,
Thank you for the information and link.
May I ask how or what you used for the curtains in the coaches?
Also have you any idea why your pictures of your completed coaches are only showing a question mark to me as these would give me an idea what each should look like when complete.
Thanks again.
Mark

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Re: Royal Train Coaching Stock
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2017, 09:34:38 pm »
The Mk3s vary little from standard loco hauled Mk3 coaches (many came from the Prototype HST).
Only two of them are from the Prototype HST.

Four more are ex-catering vehicles (TRUKs) from production HSTs. Only two of these are in use, the other two having been stored for a number of years.

Of the other MK3s, one was originally a standard sleeper, and the remaining two have been part of the royal train from new.

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Re: Royal Train Coaching Stock
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2017, 09:38:07 pm »
you may already know there is also the Royal sleeping car coach in the GF Members club list

http://bachmann-collectorsclub.co.uk/products/n-scale-royal-train-sleeping-car-no-2908.html

usually cheap on the BAchmann stand at shows!


There haven't been any Mark 1s in the royal train for quite a long time now.

 

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