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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2015, 06:45:45 am »
Those nuts are small  !  If you can't thread them just
glue them.....

That's my preferred method. After all, it's not as if you will be undoing the nuts again, is it?
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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2015, 06:47:25 am »
It amazes me how some people manage to hand paint lettering and numbers, especially on n gauge stock, they must use a 1 hair paintbrush??

And a VERY steady hand! :laugh:
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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2015, 06:58:58 am »

Ok, for those that want super-realism and detail etc then Farish will suit well, but the price is offputting if one wants to 'play' ! (or build a big fleet )


Given that when we view a model railway from, say, 2 or 3 feet away, it's like looking at the prototype from an actual distance of about 350 - 400 feet how much 'super realism' can we make out anyway? :confused2:
To me much of that 'super detail' is there 'just to put the price up'! :unimpressed:
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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2015, 08:20:48 am »
Before we get into the whole "Detail V Price" debate again there is a whole 10 page thread HERE devoted to the topic.

Since this is a review thread can we keep to the merits or otherwise of Peco kits please? :thankyousign:


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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2015, 08:26:10 am »
Before we get into the whole "Detail V Price" debate again there is a whole 10 page thread HERE devoted to the topic.

Since this is a review thread can we keep to the merits or otherwise of Peco kits please? :thankyousign:


Paul


With respect Paul, I thought we were in as much as we are comparing the detail on older Peco kits with those of modern rtr stock.
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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2015, 09:23:44 am »
For what its worth I think the PECO kits are excellent, and I must have nearly 50 of them for my coal trains alone, its like people have said previously when viewed from your average viewing distance you loose track of the detail and then to my eyes at least the "overall look" takes over.

I must admit I have a bit of a thing for PO wagons and I have many more Farish ones than I need or even have space for, and while they are excellent detail wise, I have lost count of the number I have to move the brake blocks away from the wheels to allow free running, or even bend the axleboxes outwards to achieve the same. Then don't get me started on the yo-yo effect you get when running a long train of them.

For lettering them I must admit in the past I have done this free hand but I also use the excellent Fox transfers, but when you apply typical weathering to the stock lots of the detail is obscured, but at least I know its there.

The only thing I think could be improved with the Peco kits is substitution the wheels for metal tyres, but then again I like cleaning the plastic ones......are we ever happy ?  ???

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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2015, 09:58:43 am »
I fit farish metal wheels to all my peco wagons costs a little more but to me gives better runnung on finer track

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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2015, 10:41:32 am »
"get a bit of a gap and droopy coupling will result" - does this just afflict 'n gaugers' ?   :hmmm: :smiley-laughing:

Only if your nuts aren't tightened, I believe :angel:

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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2015, 10:45:57 am »
I sometimes glue a very thin plastic square on the top of dropping couplings then if you manually couple them up the adjacent coupling keeps them attached, it stops long rakes becoming detached.

I must admit I will always have a soft spot for the PECO kits,

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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2015, 11:25:25 am »
"get a bit of a gap and droopy coupling will result" - does this just afflict 'n gaugers' ?   :hmmm: :smiley-laughing:

Only if your nuts aren't tightened, I believe :angel:
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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2015, 02:06:25 pm »
Those nuts are small  !  If you can't thread them just
glue them.....

'Fraid that's what I resorted to with some.

Why would you want to take them apart anyway? Unless of course you wanted a repaint or something.  ???

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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2015, 10:44:27 pm »
Unless of course you wanted a repaint or something.  ???
Yep !
but I dont fancy the chances of them following the previously self cut threads on the plastic spigots, so u'd prob end up gluing them the second time round anyway !

I finally found my dial micrometer ( my C mic remains lost in the sands of time ) and going by the 122 thou (+/- 1) approx across flats it would seem that they are M1.6 nuts at 3.2mm.
sadly that is between my 3 and 3.5 nut spinners :( which explains why I had to use long-nose pliers :(


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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2015, 01:42:36 am »
Hmmm, not sure where to post this on the forum, may incure the wrath of mods for straying from review ? here within ? :-

an alternative construction technique to allow temporary fixings,
spawned, obviously, by the above nuts vs. glue discussion

To judge the visual impression from a respectable distance of various colours ( I'll not bore you with the other side ! ) here is a temporarily assembled embryo cattle wagon running alongside a rtr Peco wagon.

It is easily dismantled to allow repainting on account of it being held together
(drum roll) not by nuts
(drum roll) (nuther drum roll) nor by glue
but by
,
,
(multiple drum rolls ) magnets !


and t'other side


10mm x 1mm N50 neo, but them's not critical,
in fact the honest truth is that my **ack handed painting left sufficient errant upon the spigots that it alone was probably nuff to allow sticky-together running !



I continue to be amazed by the strength of these newfangled neos !
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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2015, 10:18:58 pm »
Peco kits have been building my stock-up.  3-4 each, about the only way I can build a rake, I usually print out nomenclature etc on my printer but this time Ididn't bother and hardly notice it...







...sorry for the bad pics!

My only criticism would be if you're using "artist" acrylics they're just  not the same as "modellers" ones and you'll get on much better with modellers paints.  The Peco kits are great though, can't recommend them highly enough. Your efforts look good :thumbsup:  Much nicer to make something rather than just unpack from the box.

Rich
« Last Edit: June 12, 2015, 10:28:39 pm by RST »

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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2015, 08:22:48 am »
Looking good, Rich.

Peco wagons are VFM and you can upgrade the axles to GF ones of which I have plenty of spares.

Quite right about the paint. I struggled like mad to get a decent finish with artists' stuff and gave up with it. Not got any modellers' paint but now prompted to get some in.

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