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Online MalcolmAL

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Peco wagon kits - mini review
« on: June 07, 2015, 11:21:39 pm »
I hesitated over the title of this post cos it sounds a bit grandiose and I'm just a beginner !
But I know you all like photos,,,  with or without errant 'postrophies :),,,
Anyways, to rapidly and cheaply increase my fleet and to see what they were like, I have been playing with some Peco kits.

The first one (you have already seen in my magnets thread) is a very nice wee Brake Van in the NE or BR tradition, KNR58.

With a ready-to-run cattle wagon to the right for comparison (and colour check)
quite acceptable to run under Rule1 condx if one is not worried about lettering. (let alone even being able to see tiny lettering without a loupe at my age :( ! )
Also shown is a nice Conflat KNR20 with its container, better pic of it here :


So that was ok then,
ordered up some more :
KNR48 and KNR49 (Brake Vans LMS type and NE type)

argh !
why did they change the roof plastic from acceptable to a no-no white, even under Rule1 that is a non-starter !!
Now i need to learn painting !! (amongst the 1001other things a newbie needs to learn ;) )
At least it can be assembled without painting cos the roof is easily removable.

BUT, it gets worse, the cattle wagon kit is an all white body (and roof) on a black chassis.
The body slightly overhangs the chassis so when/if assembled there is a very thin white area to be painted in close prox to the black of the chassis, no way gunga-din ! paint up the body before assembly ;)
which is why it remains un-assembled here :-


Duh ! forgot to photo the 5 and 7 plank kits which are also nice runners.
Then I have to work up a photo-diorama booth , 1002+ and counting , , ,

« Last Edit: June 07, 2015, 11:26:26 pm by MalcolmAL »

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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review -- update
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2015, 12:04:02 am »
I had a bit of an experiment with some cheap acrilics ( 99p shop!) and a bit of googling on colour wheels and primary colours theory
came up with this :

at first the body looked a bit bright when very wet, but as it dries it is getting better.
Glad I decided to take that pic because I had not previously noticed the black spot and dark smudge ! Now corrected with a drop of water and a stir ! Seems quite forgiving this acrilic stuff, I hope that the somewhat thicker grey mix will exhaust its surface tension and dry a bit less lumpy ?

Is ther any advantage in a tiny bit of dilute detergent in the water in this regard ?

PS ignore the bright sparkles, very unforgiving flash ! cos I have run out of sunlight at 5 past midnight !!
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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2015, 01:03:27 am »
These kits are very good, brake vans. tankers, coal wagons,
etc. By the way cheap acrylics are ok for landscape painting
but as they are supposed  to emulate oils they have a lumpy
buttery consistency not suitable for small models, better to
buy acrylics for model use, Tamiya, Revell,Humbrol etc.



 





« Last Edit: June 08, 2015, 01:05:25 am by Agrippa, Reason: TYPO »
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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2015, 02:07:11 am »
These kits are very good,
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lumpy buttery consistency
Yes, for the cost the kits do tempt one into experiment.
(There is a thread elsewhere exploring the posibilities of budget intros to N., no way would I populate a beginner layout with and experiment upon, a BachFar premier13quid offering like this ! )
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yep, it did stir like that ! but so far so good, 2am and the brown job is drying quite 'flat' into crevices, so fingers xxed for the lumpy roof.
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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2015, 07:44:59 am »
I like these kits a lot, just a pity Peco don't do bogie vehicles, coaches etc !
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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2015, 08:20:13 am »
I haven't built a Peco wagon kit for several years so things might have changed but:

On the positive side they are -
fairly cheap (a boon to building up long goods trains)
easy to build
can look good
encourage experimentation (such as weathering)

on the negative side -
need painting (difficult to achieve standards to match r-t-r these days)
can't always find the transfers (decals in 'newspeak')
plastic wheels

Just my thoughts, for what they might be worth.




« Last Edit: June 08, 2015, 08:23:34 am by D1042 Western Princess »
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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2015, 08:35:32 am »
I'm  big fan of Peco wagon kits, I'm working on a small batch of cattle wagons at the moment.

For paint I used Halfords red primer, which is a bit bright on its own but looks quite convincing once weathered with a wash of diluted matt black.

Here's one of mine, not quite finished but it hasn't turned out too badly.  I've picked out a few planks in a different colour to give the appearance of hastily carried out repairs.


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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2015, 08:49:50 am »
With reference to comments about 'all white roof' and 'even under Rule One that is a non starter' sorry MalcolmAL but in his book 'Modellers' guide to the GWR' TJ Booth wrote (page 74) "These vehicles had chocolate brown bodywork and white or grey roofs" (referring to Syphons) and "Meat vans, MICAs and water tank wagons were painted white to help keep them cool" (page 75) so white roofs are legitimate in some circumstances.
But I imagine the real cause of the change was that it is easier to paint a light roof dark than a dark roof white.
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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2015, 12:54:35 pm »
Thanks for all the comments.

That cattle wagon was the sacrificial lamb ( all 3.60 of it ! ) and the 99p shop was the "what if" :)
as in, what if I do some painting for the first time in the greater part of a century ( my kindergarten days were a long time before the Beeb invented playschool and cardboard boxes ;) )
So all noted about proper paints.
The trouble I had with the 99p ones was that too much water and it all ran into puddles in corners and with too little it was, as you say, too buttery.
Now that the shiny plastic is coated perhaps the next coat can be applied thinner to better efect ? well it is keeping me off the streets and out of mischief :)

"encourage experimentation (such as weathering)"
:) yep, or even just experimentation, the weathering can come later :)
Please dont be sorry about the whiteness, all very interesting. I must admit my Rule1 comment looks harder in print than when I typed it ! I was smiling, honest !! And I did wonder if all roofs were created grey.
Nice plank picking John, I will need a stronger pair of spectacles before I get into that.
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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2015, 12:55:46 pm »
I'm a huge fan of the Peco wagon kits. I've been able to build up a decent rake of china clay wagons (the earlier steam era wagons as opposed to the later hoods) from the Peco 5 plank wagons. With a little bit of scratch built alteration, they make a nice little train. Will post some pics later if I can.


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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2015, 01:32:03 pm »
I'm a fan too, built up a rake of TTA tank wagons, very neat  little
model. Also Peco make various types of wagon chassis if you
fancy scratch building, only about 3 , I think wheels and
couplings are included.
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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2015, 03:47:56 pm »
I too am a fan of the Peco wagons. A large part of my goods stock has come from their stable. With care and the right paints and "decals" they make up into really good models. For mineral wagons you can't beat tins of grey primer or red oxide or black (the most common colours for pre WW2 days) as you get a good finish and the decals stick well.

I would suggest that if you are going to paint in a serious way then Rail Match paints (just a satisfied user) can't be beaten or you could try the Tamiya / Games Workshop acrylics. My son has done some fantastic Warhammer models using the Games Workshop paints. Far better than my humble efforts I have to say  :'(

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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2015, 04:05:14 pm »
I'm  big fan of Peco wagon kits, I'm working on a small batch of cattle wagons at the moment.

For paint I used Halfords red primer, which is a bit bright on its own but looks quite convincing once weathered with a wash of diluted matt black.

Here's one of mine, not quite finished but it hasn't turned out too badly.  I've picked out a few planks in a different colour to give the appearance of hastily carried out repairs.




A nice looking cattle truck, John. But as I said earlier, where do you get the markings? It's a pity Peco don't provide a sheet of transfers (as most kit producers do) for their vehicles.
If it's not a Diesel Hydraulic then it's not a real locomotive.

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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2015, 05:23:40 pm »
But as I said earlier, where do you get the markings? It's a pity Peco don't provide a sheet of transfers (as most kit producers do) for their vehicles.
In reply #42 in the Landship Train thread
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=27868.msg308518#msg308518
PLD is relettering a Farish brake van, might be worth asking there ?
(I would have asked except it is way beyond my pay-grade yet and I would have forgot by the time I get to needing it ! )

In BachFarSteam forum ;) ! you may need to clutch some garlic before venturing forth  :laugh3:
(just seen your sig. :) )



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Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2015, 10:16:40 pm »
Fox transfers may do the decals


I recently purchased some lner loco and coach decals from them
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